Hello again to Lesley and the List I just want to thank everyone that has had input on this thread. It is about time that St Mary's allowed for research in the inner sanctum through an Archivist. A researcher is not out to blame and shame they just want to find the name. Jenny

Hi List, My past experience with a particular church (NOT St. Mary's) has shown that the church I was dealing with considered their records were still the property of the church and that they had been given to the NSW BDMs as a gesture of goodwill but would always remain the property of that church. That particular church quite emphatically stated that the BDM records held by that church remain the property of the church and always will do so. They also considered that the church was exempt from the provisions of any Copyright Acts. I found this to be a rather disappointing attitude which indicates to me that this church believes they are above the law of the land. I understand the value of historical material and the need to preserve such material for posterity. It would be interesting to know if the churches are archiving and professionally preserving any historical material in their possession. Cheers, John Caling Currimundi, Qld. -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny T Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:07 AM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Fr Therry's Papers Thread Hello again to Lesley and the List I just want to thank everyone that has had input on this thread. It is about time that St Mary's allowed for research in the inner sanctum through an Archivist. A researcher is not out to blame and shame they just want to find the name. Jenny

Hello, Re church records, I'm not an archivist or anthing like it but I would still like to be let into the inner sanctum of Catholic records nonetheless. I'm interested in the claimed first place where mass was said and which may have had place/room for priest hiding - and also started a Catholic people cementery (that still exists) on private property despite the Governor's decree not to bury on one's own land but in the general Anglican cemeteries designated for burials. That place was supposedly McCarthy's farm at Castlereagh. Perhaps the Church does not have much records on that as officially it is NOT the first place of Catholic mass (and if it was then it was done illegally by a priest who was a convict). "Local" history however maintains that this was so. The second place of interest to me is the Village of St Anne, a would-be Catholic village set up near the "Bark Huts" on the Cooks River near Liverpool Road, present day Strathfield. That history is later history and is sure to be somewhere in the official records. I'm also interested in finding Salvation Army records and if anyone has an email address I might write to about that I would appeciate it. Send me it to me off list if you like. The Salvation Army interst is in regard to my ancestors who were strong Methodists and Salvation Army, e.g. viz. http://www.geo-sites.zoomshare.com/files/augusta-worboys.htm I suspect that maybe some of them met/associated at the Glory Hall, Salvation Army, Penrith. Best Regards, John At 02:27 PM 10/03/2009 +1000, you wrote: >Hi List, > >My past experience with a particular church (NOT St. Mary's) has shown that >the church I was dealing with considered their records were still the >property of the church and that they had been given to the NSW BDMs as a >gesture of goodwill but would always remain the property of that church. >That particular church quite emphatically stated that the BDM records held >by that church remain the property of the church and always will do so. They >also considered that the church was exempt from the provisions of any >Copyright Acts. >I found this to be a rather disappointing attitude which indicates to me >that this church believes they are above the law of the land. I understand >the value of historical material and the need to preserve such material for >posterity. It would be interesting to know if the churches are archiving and >professionally preserving any historical material in their possession. >Cheers, >John Caling >Currimundi, Qld. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny T >Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:07 AM >To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PJ] Fr Therry's Papers Thread > >Hello again to Lesley and the List > >I just want to thank everyone that has had input on this thread. > >It is about time that St Mary's allowed for research in the inner sanctum >through an Archivist. A researcher is not out to blame and shame they just >want to find the name. > >Jenny

Hi Jenny, Frank and list Just wanted to say I have dealt with St Mary's back in the 1980's I found them very helpful. I think what has happen, Genealogy is so popular now that it is probably hard for the Church to find the time to fit in the enquiries with the normal running of a parish. The days of a watchful eye, of an archivist are more likely behind us, due to numbers, in places like St Mary's. "Furthermore the 1835 marriage record of another forbear was shown in NSW BDM records as in "C of E Cabramatta". I found the correct record on one of Fr Therry's scraps of paper as having occurred in St Mary's, Sydney with dates , location, witnesses and a "promise" to pay a fee." Frank while looking back at an old letter from St Mary's, I found another letter from St Thomas Anglican Church Archivist written 1985 It said " It is true that all baptismal, marriage and death records were kept by the C of E until 1856 but nearly all entries to my knowledge are on the Baptismal Microfiche Index pre 1856. This applies to all religious denominations" This made me wonder about the marriage you found above. Preformed in St Mary's maybe a copy had to be sent to the C of E to be recorded. If all records were suppose to passed throught the C of E, then this might explain why some are missing, that might be found in their own church. Karen > It is about time that St Mary's allowed for research in the inner > sanctum through an Archivist. A researcher is not out to blame > and shame they just want to find the name. > > Jenny >