Hi everyone, Seeking to tap into you collective wealth of knowledge. I have sighted the micro-fiche death record of my GG Grandfather Thomas MURPHY which lists; Name - Thomas MURPHY Age - 26 years Abode - Parramatta When Buried - March 3 Ships Name - Jansey Quality or Profession - Labourer By Whom Ceremony Performed - Nicholas Joseph Coffey I cannot find anything else about this person ie: was he a convict or free settler ? My main concern is that I cannot find any record of any ship arriving in Australia with the name Jansey or similar. Is there anyway that I, or an agent on my behalf can get access to the actual original paper death certificate, if it exists, to see if there was a transcription error ? Thanks Tom

Hi Tom If you post the year of death, it should help the list, to help you. Karen On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Thomas & Kayleen Murphy < nicktim@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Seeking to tap into you collective wealth of knowledge > > I have sighted the micro-fiche death record of my GG Grandfather Thomas > MURPHY which lists; > > Name - Thomas MURPHY > Age - 26 years > Abode - Parramatta > When Buried - March 3 > Ships Name - Jansey > Quality or Profession - Labourer > By Whom Ceremony Performed - Nicholas Joseph Coffey > > > I cannot find anything else about this person ie: was he a convict or free > settler ? My main concern is that I cannot find any record of any ship > arriving in Australia with the name Jansey or similar. Is there anyway that > I, or an agent on my behalf can get access to the actual original paper > death certificate, if it exists, to see if there was a transcription error ? > > > > Thanks > > > Tom > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

He could have come as an infant with his mother on board the Janus that arrived in 1820 with 104 females. Having looked at a number of shipping books that seems the best possibility from the J names listed. Elizabeth Roberts. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas & Kayleen Murphy [mailto:nicktim@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 7:56 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Assistance re Death Certificate Hi everyone, Seeking to tap into you collective wealth of knowledge. I have sighted the micro-fiche death record of my GG Grandfather Thomas MURPHY which lists; Name - Thomas MURPHY Age - 26 years Abode - Parramatta When Buried - March 3 Ships Name - Jansey Quality or Profession - Labourer By Whom Ceremony Performed - Nicholas Joseph Coffey I cannot find anything else about this person ie: was he a convict or free settler ? My main concern is that I cannot find any record of any ship arriving in Australia with the name Jansey or similar. Is there anyway that I, or an agent on my behalf can get access to the actual original paper death certificate, if it exists, to see if there was a transcription error ? Thanks Tom

Does anyone know whether settlers who "came free" had the name of their ship recorded in birth, marriage, death and other documents? (And if so, why?) Or was that only done for convicts? John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas & Kayleen Murphy [mailto:nicktim@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 7:56 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Assistance re Death Certificate > > Hi everyone, > > Seeking to tap into you collective wealth of knowledge. > > I have sighted the micro-fiche death record of my GG Grandfather Thomas > MURPHY which lists; > > Name - Thomas MURPHY > Age - 26 years > Abode - Parramatta > When Buried - March 3 > Ships Name - Jansey > Quality or Profession - Labourer > By Whom Ceremony Performed - Nicholas Joseph Coffey > > > I cannot find anything else about this person ie: was he a convict or free > settler ? My main concern is that I cannot find any record of any ship > arriving in Australia with the name Jansey or similar. Is there anyway that > I, or an agent on my behalf can get access to the actual original paper > death certificate, if it exists, to see if there was a transcription error ? > > > > Thanks > > > Tom > > > >

Hi John In relation the BDMs, it seems it was only recorded for burials but not on death certificates (ie post 1856). Some of the proforma burial certificates I hold show the words "Quality or Profession (if bond name of ship)". This seems to indicate that the minister performing the burial service was required to note the name of the ship if the deceased was still a convict. That is, it was not required if the deceased had served their time, ie an ex-convict, or was "free". I have 13 burial certificates of people who arrived in Australia and the ship is noted on five of them. All five were not convicts at any time. For the two who were ex-convicts, the ship is not recorded. So it looks like pot luck. I have not seen the ship's name recorded on a civil registration BDM certificate, nor a church marriage certificate, and the only time I have seen it recorded on a baptism certificate is when the child was born on the ship and then baptised after arrival. Also the ship was recorded in musters and the 1828 census. For convicts the name of the ship was recorded in other official documents as a means of identification. Sometimes the name of a ship can be mentioned in an obituary. And sometimes the name of the ship is recorded in army documents for soldiers and their families. Another source is the shipping intelligence column in the paper of port of arrival for "free". There may be other records where the name of the ship is recorded when telling the history of a person. cheers Grahame On 24/03/2009, at 12:21 AM, John Humphrey wrote: > > Does anyone know whether settlers who "came free" had the name of > their > ship recorded in birth, marriage, death and other documents? (And > if so, > why?) Or was that only done for convicts? John >>

Don't forget, nobody fills out their own death certificate. So if the kids/spouse/informant didn't know the person was a convict, it's unlikely to be mentioned at the death. Min. >In relation the BDMs, it seems it was only recorded for burials but >not on death certificates (ie post 1856). Some of the proforma >burial certificates I hold show the words "Quality or Profession (if >bond name of ship)". This seems to indicate that the minister >performing the burial service was required to note the name of the >ship if the deceased was still a convict. That is, it was not >required if the deceased had served their time, ie an ex-convict, or >was "free".

Hi John, I have a copy of a death registration for the year 1870 where Item 11 on the form stated "Where born, and how long in the Australian Colonies, or States, indicating which". So the entry was written in, as to his county of birth in England and the notation "14 years in the Colony of New South Wales". This person arrived as a Bounty Immigrant. I have another death certif. for another free immigrant dated November 1936 with the same info. It seems that if you were born somewhere else you had to provide the information as to where you were born and how long you had been in the colony/state. In another instance where the convict ancestor died in 1885 it is noted how long he had been in the colony - but no mention of his convict ship. Once they were free, they were treated the same as free settlers, I guess. Lyn . ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Humphrey" <humphreyjohn@rogers.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Assistance re Death Certificate > > Does anyone know whether settlers who "came free" had the name of their > ship recorded in birth, marriage, death and other documents? (And if so, > why?) Or was that only done for convicts? John >>

Hi Stan, There is an interesting piece on that form in use by 1870 that you quoted: "how long in the Australian Colonies, or States, indicating which". I thought the states came into existence with Federation, but appears some at least existed by 1870. Shows how little I know of Australian history. When did NSW become a state rather than a colony? On my gg grandfather's death certificate he is down as having been in Queensland for 50 years, but in fact he was in NSW for the first 15 or 20 years after he emigrated. Best regards, John Bushell