I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, aged 71 years. On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it states about 40 years in NSW. I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I correct ? Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information supplied was given by his son. It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any parents names given on the Death Certificate. I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect he was a convict. Valerie from Mollymook NSW

No. It just means that he arrived forty years ago. Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "valerie.williams" <valerie.williams@internode.on.net> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Was George Mills a PJ Convict? >I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. > > My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, > aged 71 years. > > On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it > states about 40 years in NSW. > > I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I > correct ? > > Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information > supplied was given by his son. > > It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any > parents names given on the Death Certificate. > > I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. > James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. > > At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect > he was a convict. > > Valerie from Mollymook NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valerie, I suggest you have a look at the NSW State Records website, especially the Ticket of Leave Passport section. http://srwww.records.nsw.gov..au/indexes/searchform.aspx Listed there (and this may be purely coincidental) is three Tickets of Leave Passports listed for George Mills of the Bengal Merchant 1838 - one on recommendation of the Port Macquarie Bench - and another on the application of Mr. Smith. Could that have been Mary Ann Smith's father? It may be worth further investigation. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "valerie.williams" <valerie.williams@internode.on.net> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Was George Mills a PJ Convict? >I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. > > My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, > aged 71 years. > > On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it > states about 40 years in NSW. > > I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I > correct ? > > Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information > supplied was given by his son. > > It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any > parents names given on the Death Certificate. > > I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. > James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. > > At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect > he was a convict. > > Valerie from Mollymook NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Valerie "About 40 years in NSW" gives no indication of status. From that you cannot assume he was a convict. No convicts arrived in NSW from Nov 1840 to June 1849. During that time many free arrivals are not listed in any shipping record. There is a good chance you may never find his arrival details, but still keep looking. You may have to look at the newspapers of the time to check the shipping intelligence columns. Is there anything else that causes you to suspect he was a convict? You could check the burial records of the particular church just in case his parents are listed there - it does happen, especially in the 1880's. cheers Grahame On 21/03/2009, at 4:33 PM, valerie.williams wrote: > I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. > > My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown > NSW, aged 71 years. > > On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian > Colonies" it states about 40 years in NSW. > > I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I > correct ? > > Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all > information supplied was given by his son. > > It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are > not any parents names given on the Death Certificate. > > I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of > St. James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. > > At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I > suspect he was a convict. > > Valerie from Mollymook NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valerie You asked if it were possible he *may* have been a convict given that he arrived *about* 40 years ago. Ordinarily I would say that the answer to this is Yes - he *could* have been a convict. As the information was given by his son we have no idea if this son actually knew the actual date (year) of arrival. Sometimes the information is requested at a stressful time and sometimes those asked really had no idea and others hid the facts because of a convict connection and fudged the dates. Convicts certainly arrived well after 1840 eg they arrived in 1841 and 1842 also and I think some others arrived between 1842 and when the exiles arrived in 1849. He is not the convict who arrived on the "Bengal Merchant" in 1838 as this fellow died in 1851. (Source: Convict Death Index by L. Uebel) Brent mentioned one who arrived on the Anna Maria in 1846 as an exile - these convicts went to Port Phillip (now Victoria). Convicts also arrived at other colonies and moved to PJ and cannot be discounted. There were 5 who arrived in PJ as George Mills three of whom arrived between 1820 and 1822 who can be immediately discounted because your George was probably born between 1815 - 1817. The other two arrived on the Bengal Merchant (4) in 1838 and the Lord Lyndoch (4) arrived also in 1838. As stated above the one who arrived on the Bengal Merchant died in 1851 and the one who arrived on the Lord Lyndoch married Mary Berry in 1844 with permission of the Governor. This one would have been free by 1846 So did your George arrive free or as a convict - I don't know regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of valerie.williams Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:34 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Was George Mills a PJ Convict? I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, aged 71 years. On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it states about 40 years in NSW. I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I correct ? Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information supplied was given by his son. It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any parents names given on the Death Certificate. I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect he was a convict. Valerie from Mollymook NSW

Hi Valerie, Have you checked in Victoria? By coincidence my gggrandfather was William George Mills, down as George Mills on his daughters death certificate, and I had a lot of trouble tracing him in NSW (it's such a common name ) till I tried BDM in Victoria and found his marriage in 1864 to Frances Slater Anderson, nee Whitworth in Prahran. My Mills family spent time in Newtown as well before ending up in Mortdale, but we can't be connected as Frances married husband number three in 1884, when your George was still alive. I've so far not been able to find a death for my George in either state. Frances went on to marry yet again, husband number four,when she was 60!! Bye, Anne _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area. Click Here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fchannel%2Findex%2Easpx%3Ftrackingid%3D1046247&_t=773166080&_r=Hotmail_Endtext&_m=EXT

Valerie, Have you seen this in the Victorian PRO: MILLS GEORGE 26 JUN 1848 ANNA MARIA 459 perhaps abit young but ages were flexible. 1848 was before Victoria came into it own. regards Robyn