Hi, I have a new version and one of those old gorgeous handwritten certificates and it states NSW but as Minuet says the informant might not be so informed and there was the stigma of convict descent. cheers Gayle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Richards" <brent.richards77@gmail.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > Hi Gayle > On one of my branches, three of the children's birth certificates list the > father's birthplace as Victoria; the other three list it as South America. > Have you considered obtaining another sibling's birth certificate? > > Silly question, but are you sure the child's birth certificate says > Liverpool "NSW"? Does this information come from a transcription? I say > this > because: > > a) I've seen certificates where you can't tell from the writing whether > the > birthplace says "Victoria" or "Ireland". > b) Liverpool in England had a significant Irish population. > > Regards > Brent > ............................. > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:36:27 +1100 > From: "Gayle Clarke-Wood" <gclarkew@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3D2849D880F847938E73AF160B452220@owner883c056ql> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > I need help as I keep coming up against brick walls. > > My GGGGgrandfather William Duggan is a mystery and everyone in the family > have put him in the "too hard basket". > > One theory put forward by a cousin is the following: > > Born: 1828 in Clare County,Ireland Travelled: on the Neptune-Arrived 6 > Feb > 1852 in Sydney (is he a convict?) > Occupation: Grooms/Labourer > Occupation: 1856 Sawyer Resided: 1856 in Wattle Flat,via > Bathurst,NSW,Australia > Died: ? > Father: James DUGGAN #23039 > Mother: Margaret (Mrs. James DUGGAN) #23038 > Wife: Mary Jane FINSAKER #22030 Birth name Jane FONSECA Married: 25 Nov > 1856 in Sofala-Church of Christ Anglican Church,NSW,Australia Born: 8 > Jan > 1839 in Parramatta,Sydney,NSW,Australia > Father: Moses FONSECA #23041 Mother: Esther AIKEN #23040 > > BUT.............. > on the birth certificate of one of their children it states he was born in > Liverpool, NSW and at the time of their sons Samuel's birth (1865) he was > 29 > and she was 27. so this discounts the first theory. > > I sent away for what I thought was his death certificate and it was the > wrong one. I am totally confused. If any lister could help I would be > greatly appreciative. > > cheers > > Gayle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message