Hello Lesley, Is it possible to find the names of convicts who arrived in 1827 on the "Brothers" ship please , I have found conflicting dates of a female birth and would like to find which is correct. Thank you, Margaret . ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 36 > > > The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Silvester Lillis (Grahame & Rosslyn Thom) > 2. Re: Help - Duggan William (Brent Richards) > 3. Re: Help - Duggan William (Sherrie Blackman) > 4. Untraceable relatives. (sandra fox) > 5. Re: Untraceable relatives. (Pat Pitts) > 6. Mary Davis Bishop (Brett Hadden) > 7. Re: Untraceable relatives. (Lesley Uebel) > 8. Re: Untraceable relatives. (Max Bancroft) > 9. Re: Help - Duggan William (Gayle Clarke-Wood) > 10. Re: Help - Duggan William (Gayle Clarke-Wood) > 11. Re: Untraceable relatives. (Minuet) > 12. Re: Hugh Donohue (wdiggins@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:22:55 +1100 > From: Grahame & Rosslyn Thom <grthom@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Silvester Lillis > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <51F71154-5EC5-41CC-9C9D-489DA63583EF@bigpond.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Christine > > I note there is an entry for Silvester Lillis in Vol 2 of the > Hawkesbury Family History Group's book Hawkesbury Pioneer Register. > > cheers > > Grahame > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:11:32 +1100 > From: Brent Richards <brent.richards77@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <9c12dfa00901290111w55adaf46g6143a37d5354ffd7@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Gayle > On one of my branches, three of the children's birth certificates list the > father's birthplace as Victoria; the other three list it as South America. > Have you considered obtaining another sibling's birth certificate? > > Silly question, but are you sure the child's birth certificate says > Liverpool "NSW"? Does this information come from a transcription? I say > this > because: > > a) I've seen certificates where you can't tell from the writing whether > the > birthplace says "Victoria" or "Ireland". > b) Liverpool in England had a significant Irish population. > > Regards > Brent > ............................. > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:36:27 +1100 > From: "Gayle Clarke-Wood" <gclarkew@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3D2849D880F847938E73AF160B452220@owner883c056ql> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > I need help as I keep coming up against brick walls. > > My GGGGgrandfather William Duggan is a mystery and everyone in the family > have put him in the "too hard basket". > > One theory put forward by a cousin is the following: > > Born: 1828 in Clare County,Ireland Travelled: on the Neptune-Arrived 6 > Feb > 1852 in Sydney (is he a convict?) > Occupation: Grooms/Labourer > Occupation: 1856 Sawyer Resided: 1856 in Wattle Flat,via > Bathurst,NSW,Australia > Died: ? > Father: James DUGGAN #23039 > Mother: Margaret (Mrs. James DUGGAN) #23038 > Wife: Mary Jane FINSAKER #22030 Birth name Jane FONSECA Married: 25 Nov > 1856 in Sofala-Church of Christ Anglican Church,NSW,Australia Born: 8 > Jan > 1839 in Parramatta,Sydney,NSW,Australia > Father: Moses FONSECA #23041 Mother: Esther AIKEN #23040 > > BUT.............. > on the birth certificate of one of their children it states he was born in > Liverpool, NSW and at the time of their sons Samuel's birth (1865) he was > 29 > and she was 27. so this discounts the first theory. > > I sent away for what I thought was his death certificate and it was the > wrong one. I am totally confused. If any lister could help I would be > greatly appreciative. > > cheers > > Gayle > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:56:45 +1100 > From: "Sherrie Blackman" <silkweb@tpg.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > To: "Gayle Clarke-Wood" <gclarkew@optusnet.com.au>, > aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.uoil0vub5xjpm9@sherrie-01> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; > charset=iso-8859-15 > > Hi Gayle, > > Have you spoke to Amanda ? > > http://tinyurl.com/afq782 > > Amanda has Mary/Jane's death in 1924 Lithgow... > 9260/1924 - DUGGAN MARY J - MOSES & ESTHER - LITHGOW > > Perhaps Mary's death certificate might shed some light on William's death? > > Also Tony tonyg@dragnet.com.au was researching the Duggan > family back in 1998. I haven't seen Tony for years, so perhaps this > email address is no longer valid. > > Tony seems to think Mary Jane Duggan (c.1896) and might be buried in > Maitland Cemetery. > > From what I can see on-line, I couldn't find William or Mary... > http://www.maitland.nsw.gov.au/Heritage/Cemeteries > > Perhaps a call to Lithgow cemetery to see if Mary Jane Duggan is buried > there > and if so, is William with her? > > There is one William Duggan (d.05/07/1923 Anglican) buried at Lithgow, but > whether he's yours or not... > http://www.council.lithgow.com/cemetery.html > > Rhonda Turnbull raturn@dragnet.com.au has the Fonseca branch in her tree. > Rhonda has been > a avid researcher for many years and may be able to shed some light. :) > > Do you have a copy of William & Mary's marriage certificate? > > I think Brent's idea of obtaining more children's birth certificates would > be a good idea. :) > > Kind regards, > Sherrie. > > > > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:36:27 +1100, Gayle Clarke-Wood > <gclarkew@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi >> I need help as I keep coming up against brick walls. >> >> My GGGGgrandfather William Duggan is a mystery and everyone in the >> family have put him in the "too hard basket". >> >> One theory put forward by a cousin is the following: >> >> Born: 1828 in Clare County,Ireland Travelled: on the Neptune-Arrived >> 6 Feb 1852 in Sydney (is he a convict?) >> Occupation: Grooms/Labourer >> Occupation: 1856 Sawyer Resided: 1856 in Wattle Flat,via >> Bathurst,NSW,Australia >> Died: ? >> Father: James DUGGAN #23039 >> Mother: Margaret (Mrs. James DUGGAN) #23038 >> Wife: Mary Jane FINSAKER #22030 Birth name Jane FONSECA Married: 25 >> Nov 1856 in Sofala-Church of Christ Anglican Church,NSW,Australia >> Born: 8 Jan 1839 in Parramatta,Sydney,NSW,Australia >> Father: Moses FONSECA #23041 Mother: Esther AIKEN #23040 >> >> BUT.............. >> on the birth certificate of one of their children it states he was born >> in Liverpool, NSW and at the time of their sons Samuel's birth (1865) he >> was 29 and she was 27. so this discounts the first theory. >> >> I sent away for what I thought was his death certificate and it was the >> wrong one. I am totally confused. If any lister could help I would be >> greatly appreciative. >> >> cheers >> >> Gayle > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:37:32 +1100 > From: "sandra fox" <sandra26sandra@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <316173B453CE4B0C977C80BB1CABAFAA@HP26230307792> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, has anyone out there come across the name of Cruden? My gt gt gt > grandmother had this surname but I cannot find anything about her > anywhere. > They don't have a marriage certificate or a birthcertificate for their > daughter and I cannot find any convicts with the surname either. I looked > at this because a lot of the time not being able to find anything was > because they were convicts. sorry to waste anyones time if she or her > parents weren't. Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:48:57 +1100 > From: Pat Pitts <patpitts@iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <A2B0AC9F-0190-48B8-A069-46A5E6F96790@iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Listers > > Its my 60th birthday today and I received a book AUSTRALIA'S > BIRTHSTAIN - The startling Legacy of the Convict Era by Babette > Smith. I also have THE CRIMES OF THE FIRST FLEET CONVICTS by John > Cobley. If anyone would like me to look up in either of these books > please let me know. I am happy to do so. > > Pat Mott > Central Victoria > Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, > CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, > DINES, MARSH > > On 29/01/2009, at 10:37 PM, sandra fox wrote: > >> Hi, has anyone out there come across the name of Cruden? My gt gt gt >> grandmother had this surname but I cannot find anything about her >> anywhere. >> They don't have a marriage certificate or a birthcertificate for their >> daughter and I cannot find any convicts with the surname either. I >> looked >> at this because a lot of the time not being able to find anything was >> because they were convicts. sorry to waste anyones time if she or her >> parents weren't. Sandra >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- >> JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:42:32 -0800 > From: "Brett Hadden" <sleddogtours@bigpond.com> > Subject: [PJ] Mary Davis Bishop > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000c01c982a5$ee18b0a0$ca4a11e0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi My name is Neisha Gschwend (nee Shrimpton) I am new to this sight and > would like to share my Convict ancestor information. > > My Great,Great,Great,Great Grandmother is Mary Davis/Bishop, Mary was born > around 1761, probably at Diddlebury in Shropshire,England,under either the > name of Davis or Bishop, both names common in the area. At present nothing > has been found on her birth. > In 1785 she managed to get herself into trouble by breaking into a house > and > stealing a copper kettle, and then into another house where she stole a > quantity of clothing, and then handed over everything to Ann Davis and > Joseph Owen, who both received the stolen property. Whether Ann was a > relation or not is not known. > Tried and convicted at Shrewsbury on 12th March 1785,Ann Davis was found > not > guilty but Mary was sentenced to death, a sentence that was changed to > seven > years of transportation on the 28th December 1785.Almost a year later on > the > 23rd November 1786 she was sent to the New Goal at Southwark and on 31st > January 1787 after going by wagon to Gravend, she was placed on board the > Lady Penrhyn.She arrived in the colony on board that ship as part of the > First Fleet on the 26th January 1788. > On the 18th December 1787 whilst on board the Lady Penrhyn on the way to > Australia she fell down the hatchway...."pitched on her head...which being > well defended by false hair, rolls etc she sustained no material > injury"...reports the official papers. > At Sydney on 27th September 1788 she broke a bottle over the head of John > Mara who slept in her hut, but only after he had apparently called her a > "bitch" in a scuffle with some of the Soldiers. > On the 2nd November 1788 at St Phillips Church of England in Sydney she > married Samuel Day as Mary Bishop the first time she was to use the name > in > the Colony, however she did not live long with Samuel for some reason or > use > the Day name. > On the 4th March 1789 she was sent to Norfolk Island on board the > "Sirius", > her husband Samuel not being sent until 1790 and by then he had a defacto > wife Mary Bolton with whom he was to stay with. > Mary gave birth to a Daughter, Charlotte in 1791 the father not recorded. > Mary and infant daughter Charlotte both left Norfolk Island on board the > "Kitty" in March 1793,returning to Sydney. The 1801 list shows her as Mary > Davis in Sydney with an expired sentence. > Apparently she moved to the Parramatta area, and Rev Samuel Marsden in his > muster shows her as a concubine with one illegitimate daughter. He > apparently did not consider her legal marriage to Samuel Day as of any > consequence. In 1806 she is shown as Mary Bishop, a servant at Government > House at Parramatta. > She was still at Parramatta when on the 10th May 1809 she leased land in > the > main Street of Parramatta and on the 16th November a Mary Bishop was > granted > 30 acres of land at Bringelly, which was probably this Mary Bishop > although > she appears to have never taken up the grant as she was still in > Parramatta > in 1811, but this time as Mary Davis, and in 1814 was still as Mary Davis > living alone and single at Parramatta. > On the 1811 muster her daughter is shown as Charlotte Bishop and as > Charlotte Bishop she married James Crabb of the 73rd Regiment at > Parramatta > on 10th March 1811. > Mary was still at Parramatta as Mary Davis in 1822, but managed to go > unrecorded in 1825. By 1828 she was then a housekeeper to Joseph Martin at > Parramatta, her age given was 63yrs and with her working also for Martin > was > her eldest grandchild Alexander William Crabb. > Around 1833 Charlotte's husband John moved out, owing apparently to the > birth of a child to another man, and it was apparently then that Mary > Bishop > moved to Kurrajong to be with Charlotte and also to have company in her > old > age. > Mary died at Charlotte's home on the 1st January 1839, and she was buried > five days later at St Peters Richmond, her age being shown as 80yrs, and a > widow. She left behind a daughter and seven grandchildren. Her grave is > unmarked, but all evidence points to her daughter Charlotte being buried > with her in later years. > > NORTH RICMOND CEMETERY > Sandstone Headstone marked as Charlotte Pently (one word)-Charlottepently > Has a 1st Fleet Medallion on it for Mary Davis/ Bishop. > > Charlotte Bishop > > Charlotte Bishop was born on Norfolk Island in 1791, the daughter of Mary > Davis/Bishop a convict on the First Fleet, and an unknown Father ( > possibly > Samuel Day ) with her mother Mary she came to Sydney on board the "Kitty" > in > March 1793. Her Mother was then sent to Parramatta and this is where > Charlotte spent her childhood. In 1806 she was with her mother who was > working at Government House as a servant, and living by 1809 in the main > Street of Parramatta. In 1808 when Charlotte was 17yrs she had a daughter > which she called Susannah ( father unknown ). It was in Parramatta that > Charlotte met James Crabb, a soldier in the 73rd regiment. > On the 1811 muster she was shown as Charlotte Bishop born in the colony > and > free, at Parramatta. On the 10th March 1811 at St John's Church of England > , > Parramatta she married James. Their two children were born at Parramatta- > Alexander William in 1813 and Mary in 1814. Following the birth of Mary > the > family moved to Sydney. On the 1814 muster Charlotte is shown as Charlotte > Crabb, free and on stores with three children and the wife of James > soldier > of the 73rd regiment. James seems to disappear from records just after > that, > and it is not known if he died and his death unrecorded, or if he deserted > his family and returned to England at the end of his tour of duty, which > is > quite possible. > Charlotte moved back to her mother's home in Parramatta, and that is where > she met Richard Shrimpton, whom she married at St John's Church of > England, > Parramatta. Apparently accepted as a widow on the 9th August 1819. > To Richard she was to have four children, their first child was born at > Parramatta, Edward Francis in 1819,they then moved to the farm at > Wilberforce were their other three children were born, Charles 1822, Leah > 1824 and Richard in 1826. Age was to take its toll on Richard and he died > on > his farm on the 11th July 1827 and was buried at Wilberforce. > On the 22nd December 1828 at St John's Church of England Charlotte married > for a third time to John Pentley.(shown in register as Pintla) They moved > to > North Richmond and their daughter Susannah Jane was born in 1829. > In 1833 Charlotte had a daughter Margaret Elizabeth to Frederick Allsop, > at > this point John no longer seems to be living with Charlotte. It is at this > time she moved her family to Kurrajong and her mother Mary Bishop moved in > with her probably to help with the small children and to give her comfort > in > her old age. > John died in 1843 and Charlotte lived until the 5th September 1851,when > she > died in her home at Kurrajong. She was buried three days later at St > Peters, > Richmond, interred with her mother. > > Richard Shrimpton > > September 1787 committed to Reading Gaol Berkshire, charged with stealing > a > gelding the property of Rob Coster of Hungerford Berkshire at Edingham > Hills. Sold the horse at Angel Inn at Woolhampton and took hired chaise to > White Hart Inn at Charalan Street (Chilton) Wiltshire, where drunken > bragging aroused suspicion. May 1788 reprieved from death sentence. Sent > 11th June to Portsmouth and the prison hulk "Lion". On 29th November 1789 > embarked on ship "Scarborough" for Botany Bay, arriving Port Jackson June > 1790. November 1797 servant, eastern farm grant with no stock. Given > pardon > for good behaviour November 1799 and received a 50 acre land grant in > eastern farm district. 1802 cultivating an acre of wheat, 6 acres Maize > and > employing 2 free men and a convict. 20th January1805 charged with > obtaining > permits for the issue of spirits by fraudulently making use of the names > of > other persons. Committed to the gaol gang. By 1806 sold his land and was a > labourer employed by Simeon Lord.1807 farm at Kissing Point up for sale > 1st > February 1807 moved to Hawkesbury 1822 musters,held.twenty acres of land > in > Hawkesbury March 1827 farmer at Wilberforce County Cumberland on sons > Baptism. > > I hope you found this information as interesting as I have. > > Regards, > Neisha > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:51:48 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJKEHIPPAA.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Sandra > > An approximate time frame would help. > > Have you tried different spellings i.e. Credon, Creedon, Credan etc.. > Try > swapping the vowels around > > I have found the reverse in that I have not been able to find marriages > and > births because the people concerned were NOT convicts > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of sandra > fox > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:38 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > > > Hi, has anyone out there come across the name of Cruden? My gt gt gt > grandmother had this surname but I cannot find anything about her > anywhere. > They don't have a marriage certificate or a birthcertificate for their > daughter and I cannot find any convicts with the surname either. I looked > at this because a lot of the time not being able to find anything was > because they were convicts. sorry to waste anyones time if she or her > parents weren't. Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:49 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "Max Bancroft" <maxwell1@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <49821979.000001.05108@MAX-PC> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The name Croydon could be what you are after. There is a suburb by that > name > in Sydney. There may be some connection. > Max > > Have you tried different spellings i.e. Credon, Creedon, Credan etc.. Try > swapping the vowels around > > Hi, has anyone out there come across the name of Cruden? My gt gt gt > grandmother had this surname but I cannot find anything about her > anywhere. > They don't have a marriage certificate or a birthcertificate for their > daughter and I cannot find any convicts with the surname either. I looked > at this because a lot of the time not being able to find anything was > because they were convicts. sorry to waste anyones time if she or her > parents weren't. Sandra > > > > > > . > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:05:40 +1100 > From: "Gayle Clarke-Wood" <gclarkew@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3D1D625A4A7D4193A1ECF5CE5A23CCCA@owner883c056ql> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > > Yes your right about the informant - Jane (or sometimes known as Mary > Jane) > William Duggans Wife and mother of the child, whose mark X was on the > certificate and this lady alternated between Jane and Mary all the time. > : ) > > cheers > Gayle >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:09:19 +1100 > From: "Gayle Clarke-Wood" <gclarkew@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3427A0F07FE84D0595BE7777E4B419CA@owner883c056ql> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > > I have a new version and one of those old gorgeous handwritten > certificates > and it states NSW but as Minuet says the informant might not be so > informed > and there was the stigma of convict descent. > > cheers > > Gayle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brent Richards" <brent.richards77@gmail.com> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Help - Duggan William > > >> Hi Gayle >> On one of my branches, three of the children's birth certificates list >> the >> father's birthplace as Victoria; the other three list it as South >> America. >> Have you considered obtaining another sibling's birth certificate? >> >> Silly question, but are you sure the child's birth certificate says >> Liverpool "NSW"? Does this information come from a transcription? I say >> this >> because: >> >> a) I've seen certificates where you can't tell from the writing whether >> the >> birthplace says "Victoria" or "Ireland". >> b) Liverpool in England had a significant Irish population. >> >> Regards >> Brent >> ............................. >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:36:27 +1100 >> From: "Gayle Clarke-Wood" <gclarkew@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: [PJ] Help - Duggan William >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <3D2849D880F847938E73AF160B452220@owner883c056ql> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi >> I need help as I keep coming up against brick walls. >> >> My GGGGgrandfather William Duggan is a mystery and everyone in the family >> have put him in the "too hard basket". >> >> One theory put forward by a cousin is the following: >> >> Born: 1828 in Clare County,Ireland Travelled: on the Neptune-Arrived 6 >> Feb >> 1852 in Sydney (is he a convict?) >> Occupation: Grooms/Labourer >> Occupation: 1856 Sawyer Resided: 1856 in Wattle Flat,via >> Bathurst,NSW,Australia >> Died: ? >> Father: James DUGGAN #23039 >> Mother: Margaret (Mrs. James DUGGAN) #23038 >> Wife: Mary Jane FINSAKER #22030 Birth name Jane FONSECA Married: 25 Nov >> 1856 in Sofala-Church of Christ Anglican Church,NSW,Australia Born: 8 >> Jan >> 1839 in Parramatta,Sydney,NSW,Australia >> Father: Moses FONSECA #23041 Mother: Esther AIKEN #23040 >> >> BUT.............. >> on the birth certificate of one of their children it states he was born >> in >> Liverpool, NSW and at the time of their sons Samuel's birth (1865) he was >> 29 >> and she was 27. so this discounts the first theory. >> >> I sent away for what I thought was his death certificate and it was the >> wrong one. I am totally confused. If any lister could help I would be >> greatly appreciative. >> >> cheers >> >> Gayle >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:20:38 +1100 > From: Minuet <minuet9@internode.on.net> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <7j1pve$8q4jip@ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I'd also be trying Gruden and other variations. A lot of cursive > letters can look like a C > > I agree with Lesley - I can find more on convicts than on > 'respectable' people *G* > Min > > >>Hi, has anyone out there come across the name of Cruden? My gt gt gt >>grandmother had this surname but I cannot find anything about her >>anywhere. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:36:44 -0500 > From: wdiggins@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Hugh Donohue > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CB50925799AC0C-B50-108D@webmail-de02.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi Listers, > I am trying to locate information on convict Hugh Donohue > and his wife Bridget. The NAI Transportation Database indicates that > Bridget made application for a free passage to New South Wales on the > 4/11/1840, with reference to her husband Hugh Donohue being a convict > and having being transported there. The problem I have with this is > that I can find no trace of a Hugh Donohue convict being transported to > NSW, as per contents of Lesley's Convict Anthology CD's. > > Does anyone know whether he came under a different name, or was he > perhaps transported to a different penal settlement? > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. 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Who are you looking for Margaret and I shall check regards .... I have deleted the 12 other emails you sent with this question. Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Stantiall Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:49 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 36 Hello Lesley, Is it possible to find the names of convicts who arrived in 1827 on the "Brothers" ship please , I have found conflicting dates of a female birth and would like to find which is correct. Thank you, Margaret .