Dont forget that West Indians were tried & sent to Norfolk England then on to Australia. Cheers Ray C On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Alice Erickson <[email protected]>wrote: > Well, Russell, that's a wrinkle! As far as I can make out this man was of > island appearance - now in the context of Aus that could mean coming from > some of the Pacific Ocean islands - Melanesians etc near us. That's most > likely. But some people say he came from the Caribean - that's hearsay - > whether relying on his appearance or something that their elders knew at > the > time I don't know. He was accepted into community here in so far as his > children went to school but aboriginal children weren't accepted at the > schools. So people thought they knew there was something different about > him. Islanders from Pacific Ocean were often treated as the aboriginals > were. He had work on properties around here and was well known for herbal > knowledge and remedies. And just today I heard that he went to jail at > Dubbo when older so I have to follow that up. So unless that island in > Merseyside near Liverpool was a place where this sort of person would be > held I think not. However as a long-time researcher I never rule anything > out until an alternative is confirmed so I'll keep your suggestion in mind. > Thank you for taking the trouble to reply. Alice > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irelandcrokepark" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Maybe OT query > > > > Any chance that it meant St Helens in merseyside near Liverpool in the > UK? > > > > Sent from phone > > > > On 5 Jul 2011, at 03:08, Russell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Yes Alice, > >> St Helens is an old convict island in Moreton Bay. > >> Schoolkids now go there for excursions. > >> Russell, > >> Brisbane > >> > >> Alice Erickson wrote: > >> > >>> Lesley - this would be OT I suppose but I wonder if you know anything > of > >>> a place called St Helens Island somewhere off shore from Brisbane where > >>> convicts were held. I have a man, presumably a convict, called CONTEST > >>> who says he was born St Helens. I started research at St Helens in > >>> Indian Ocean where Napolean was imprisoned. It was difficult though at > >>> this distance and considering my lack of any knowledge about the place. > >>> Another researcher suggested that there was a St Helens off Brisbane - > >>> hence my query. TIA, Alice > >>> > >>> ---------------------- > >>> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > >>> [email protected] > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------- > >> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > >> [email protected] > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------------------- > > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Ray Chilton* E-mail [email protected]
I have an ancestor who was described as "mulatto" born in Liverpool England, I think that there was a fair bit of traffic between the West Indies & England in the early 1800s -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Chilton Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Maybe OT query Dont forget that West Indians were tried & sent to Norfolk England then on to Australia. Cheers Ray C On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Alice Erickson <[email protected]>wrote: > Well, Russell, that's a wrinkle! As far as I can make out this man was of > island appearance - now in the context of Aus that could mean coming from > some of the Pacific Ocean islands - Melanesians etc near us. That's most > likely. But some people say he came from the Caribean - that's hearsay - > whether relying on his appearance or something that their elders knew at > the > time I don't know. He was accepted into community here in so far as his > children went to school but aboriginal children weren't accepted at the > schools. So people thought they knew there was something different about > him. Islanders from Pacific Ocean were often treated as the aboriginals > were. He had work on properties around here and was well known for herbal > knowledge and remedies. And just today I heard that he went to jail at > Dubbo when older so I have to follow that up. So unless that island in > Merseyside near Liverpool was a place where this sort of person would be > held I think not. However as a long-time researcher I never rule anything > out until an alternative is confirmed so I'll keep your suggestion in > mind. > Thank you for taking the trouble to reply. Alice > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Irelandcrokepark" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Maybe OT query > > > > Any chance that it meant St Helens in merseyside near Liverpool in the > UK? > > > > Sent from phone > > > > On 5 Jul 2011, at 03:08, Russell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Yes Alice, > >> St Helens is an old convict island in Moreton Bay. > >> Schoolkids now go there for excursions. > >> Russell, > >> Brisbane > >> > >> Alice Erickson wrote: > >> > >>> Lesley - this would be OT I suppose but I wonder if you know anything > of > >>> a place called St Helens Island somewhere off shore from Brisbane > >>> where > >>> convicts were held. I have a man, presumably a convict, called > >>> CONTEST > >>> who says he was born St Helens. I started research at St Helens in > >>> Indian Ocean where Napolean was imprisoned. It was difficult though at > >>> this distance and considering my lack of any knowledge about the > >>> place. > >>> Another researcher suggested that there was a St Helens off Brisbane - > >>> hence my query. TIA, Alice > >>> > >>> ---------------------- > >>> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > >>> [email protected] > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------- > >> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > >> [email protected] > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------------------- > > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Ray Chilton* E-mail [email protected] ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Not only between the West Indies. All the major Imperial European cities had sizable Black populations due to well over a hundred years of Slavery (by then), the Sugar and Tobacco trade, the disruption caused by the Revolutionary war in the US, and the veracious labour demands of the various Navies and Merchant Marine. One recent estimate suggested that the average ship had 20-25% Black crew. London and Liverpool had sizable Black populations since they were the busiest ports in the world. I have a Black ancestor from each. An interesting book that sets the tone of the late 18th Century in this regard is: *The Many-Headed Hydra: **Sailors, Slaves, Commoners and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic* *By Peter Linebaugh and Marcus Rediker (Verso, 2000) Hardback/433pp/£19/ISBN 1 85984 798 6* *Ray * On 7 July 2011 19:39, <[email protected]> wrote: > I have an ancestor who was described as "mulatto" born in Liverpool > England, > I think that there was a fair bit of traffic between the West Indies & > England in the early 1800s > > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Chilton > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PJ] Maybe OT query > > Dont forget that West Indians were tried & sent to Norfolk England then on > to Australia. > Cheers > Ray C > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Alice Erickson <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Well, Russell, that's a wrinkle! As far as I can make out this man was of > > island appearance - now in the context of Aus that could mean coming from > > some of the Pacific Ocean islands - Melanesians etc near us. That's most > > likely. But some people say he came from the Caribean - that's hearsay - > > whether relying on his appearance or something that their elders knew at > > the > > time I don't know. He was accepted into community here in so far as his > > children went to school but aboriginal children weren't accepted at the > > schools. So people thought they knew there was something different about > > him. Islanders from Pacific Ocean were often treated as the aboriginals > > were. He had work on properties around here and was well known for > herbal > > knowledge and remedies. And just today I heard that he went to jail at > > Dubbo when older so I have to follow that up. So unless that island in > > Merseyside near Liverpool was a place where this sort of person would be > > held I think not. However as a long-time researcher I never rule > anything > > out until an alternative is confirmed so I'll keep your suggestion in > > mind. > > Thank you for taking the trouble to reply. Alice > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Irelandcrokepark" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [PJ] Maybe OT query > > > > > > > Any chance that it meant St Helens in merseyside near Liverpool in the > > UK? > > > > > > Sent from phone > > > > > > On 5 Jul 2011, at 03:08, Russell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Yes Alice, > > >> St Helens is an old convict island in Moreton Bay. > > >> Schoolkids now go there for excursions. > > >> Russell, > > >> Brisbane > > >> > > >> Alice Erickson wrote: > > >> > > >>> Lesley - this would be OT I suppose but I wonder if you know anything > > of > > >>> a place called St Helens Island somewhere off shore from Brisbane > > >>> where > > >>> convicts were held. I have a man, presumably a convict, called > > >>> CONTEST > > >>> who says he was born St Helens. I started research at St Helens in > > >>> Indian Ocean where Napolean was imprisoned. It was difficult though > at > > >>> this distance and considering my lack of any knowledge about the > > >>> place. > > >>> Another researcher suggested that there was a St Helens off Brisbane > - > > >>> hence my query. TIA, Alice > > >>> > > >>> ---------------------- > > >>> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' > > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ---------------------- > > >> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > > >> [email protected] > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > > > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > *Ray Chilton* > E-mail [email protected] > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Many of the soldiers who fought with the British regiments against Napoleon were members of units raised in the West Indies. One of them William Afflick was the most highly decorated black soldier a bugler in the 10th Hussards who fought in four theaters of war. He was retired due to losing his front teeth which made it impossible to sound the Bugle and though an ordinary soldier was so highly thought of he received a pension. He was found a job as a barber in a hotel in Brighton, married an English, girl (a dressmaker) raised a son Charles and a daughter Ann. Charles was delivering a dress to a customer, accused of stealing it and was arrested. He was transported to Australia and many years later died in Milton. It would appear there was a lot of ethnic cleansing going on, whereby the old dart was swept clean of anyone who was a bit different, perhaps considered undesirable and if you had a trade you were fair game as tradesmen were in hot demand in the colony. Regards Max Bancroft