Hello Geoff, John McCrumb married one of my ladies, Sally Donnelly, from the ship Elizabeth, which arrived on the 12th January 1828. He arrived per Martha in 1818 and applied to marry Sally in May 1828 aged 44 years, free by servitude. Sally's was one of the earliest marriages of the women from the Elizabeth. I have only found the child James McCrumb who was 36 hours old when he died, that may have been their child. I have details of children baptised to a couple Sally/Sarah Donnelly and James Montgomery.(Patrick, Anne and Sarah) Again have not found a death for John McCrumb. As with the early church registers there are many events that may have not been recorded, the registers are missing, a religious difference, registered under another name or incorrectly transcribed. I have researched all the women of the Elizabeth, published the results so far and still researching my ladies Suzanne Voytas On 10/06/2011 6:29 PM, Geoff Collins wrote: > I am trying to determine the fate of the above convict who, I believe, maybe my great great grandfather. Have determined that he was in the employ of William Mason in 1823 , married another convict Sally Donnelly at Cof E Richmond on 26/5/1828 by Rev Elijah Smith. From this point on I have no further information but , again, believe that they had a child, Mary Ann McCrumb, who married a Charles Chuck in 1847 and after this married my great grandfather Samuel Collins after the death of Charles in 1854 at Camperdown. No records of their union but children have variation of surname from McCrum, McCrumb, Chuck, Montgomery . There is a record of a James McCrumb who died as a baby. Hope someone has some information on this > > > Geoff Collins >

Hello Suzanne Very interesting and maybe the reason for another variation of the mothers maiden name by subsequent generations. Perhaps you could advise the date of of the children of Sally/Sara and James Montgomery which may give me a further "inspiration" in this trek. Most appreciative of your information and would be interested in reading your finished research for "your ladies". It is funny that when I reflect upon my initial post that there are so many other things that I should have covered but, I hope, this in natural on this site and I will address later. Best wishes Geoff Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Voytas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: [PJ] John McCrumb/Sally Donnelly > Hello Geoff, > > John McCrumb married one of my ladies, Sally Donnelly, from the ship > Elizabeth, which arrived on the 12th January 1828. > He arrived per Martha in 1818 and applied to marry Sally in May 1828 aged > 44 years, free by servitude. > Sally's was one of the earliest marriages of the women from the Elizabeth. > I have only found the child James McCrumb who was 36 hours old when he > died, that may have been their child. > I have details of children baptised to a couple Sally/Sarah Donnelly and > James Montgomery.(Patrick, Anne and Sarah) > Again have not found a death for John McCrumb. > As with the early church registers there are many events that may have not > been recorded, the registers are missing, a religious difference, > registered under another name or incorrectly transcribed. > I have researched all the women of the Elizabeth, published the results so > far and still researching my ladies > Suzanne Voytas > > > > On 10/06/2011 6:29 PM, Geoff Collins wrote: >> I am trying to determine the fate of the above convict who, I believe, >> maybe my great great grandfather. Have determined that he was in the >> employ of William Mason in 1823 , married another convict Sally Donnelly >> at Cof E Richmond on 26/5/1828 by Rev Elijah Smith. From this point on I >> have no further information but , again, believe that they had a child, >> Mary Ann McCrumb, who married a Charles Chuck in 1847 and after this >> married my great grandfather Samuel Collins after the death of Charles in >> 1854 at Camperdown. No records of their union but children have variation >> of surname from McCrum, McCrumb, Chuck, Montgomery . There is a record of >> a James McCrumb who died as a baby. Hope someone has some information on >> this >> >> >> Geoff Collins >> > > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Suzanne Regards >From Max Cluff [ Mary Connor / George Grey descendant.] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Voytas Sent: Sunday, 12 June 2011 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] John McCrumb/Sally Donnelly Hello Geoff, John McCrumb married one of my ladies, Sally Donnelly, from the ship Elizabeth, which arrived on the 12th January 1828. He arrived per Martha in 1818 and applied to marry Sally in May 1828 aged 44 years, free by servitude. Sally's was one of the earliest marriages of the women from the Elizabeth. I have only found the child James McCrumb who was 36 hours old when he died, that may have been their child. I have details of children baptised to a couple Sally/Sarah Donnelly and James Montgomery.(Patrick, Anne and Sarah) Again have not found a death for John McCrumb. As with the early church registers there are many events that may have not been recorded, the registers are missing, a religious difference, registered under another name or incorrectly transcribed. I have researched all the women of the Elizabeth, published the results so far and still researching my ladies Suzanne Voytas On 10/06/2011 6:29 PM, Geoff Collins wrote: > I am trying to determine the fate of the above convict who, I believe, maybe my great great grandfather. Have determined that he was in the employ of William Mason in 1823 , married another convict Sally Donnelly at Cof E Richmond on 26/5/1828 by Rev Elijah Smith. From this point on I have no further information but , again, believe that they had a child, Mary Ann McCrumb, who married a Charles Chuck in 1847 and after this married my great grandfather Samuel Collins after the death of Charles in 1854 at Camperdown. No records of their union but children have variation of surname from McCrum, McCrumb, Chuck, Montgomery . There is a record of a James McCrumb who died as a baby. Hope someone has some information on this > > > Geoff Collins > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6201 (20110612) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com