Thanks so much for this very interesting material Lesley, and Grahame for the URL. Kind regards Pam At 02:14 p.m. 20-05-2013 +1000, you wrote: >The following is part of the Preface of the Historical Records of >Australia written by Frederick Watson in May 1914, that I thought may be >of interest to some of you. I have probably made a few typing errors, so >I apologise for those. An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ

Hi Lesley and List, This event may be of interest and help to someone here. I received this notification today... >Teachers: bring the convict story of Hyde Park Barracks into your classroom with a virtual excursion! Presented live in front of a green screen, you will meet Ivan Gotney, transported to New South Wales for seven years, who will tell the story of convict life in early Sydney, accompanied by evocative images and film. < Book your class now via the Dart Connections website: http://www.dartconnections.org.au/view-provider?ProviderID=1147820 Kind regards, Wayne Carter flora.1@bigpond.com

Hi Liz, Google is usually pretty good for checking this type of query See: http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/watson-james-frederick-fred-9001 Regards Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 21/05/2013 10:56 AM, Elizabeth Walker wrote: > Good morning Lesley, > > Thank you for working away on Frederick Watson's contribution of the > Historical Records of Australia - very interesting. Who was this > Frederick Watson, and what was his connection to this country? I knew > another Frederick Watson back in the 1960s, who might have been a > descendant of the man you have written about, and this man was an > astronomer. > > Liz Walker (one of the many women on this planet with the same name!!) > > > SNIPPED BY LU

Here is is Liz http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/watson-james-frederick-fred-9001 Grahame On 21/05/2013, at 10:56 AM, Elizabeth Walker wrote: > Good morning Lesley, > > Thank you for working away on Frederick Watson's contribution of the > Historical Records of Australia - very interesting. Who was this > Frederick Watson, and what was his connection to this country? I knew > another Frederick Watson back in the 1960s, who might have been a > descendant of the man you have written about, and this man was an > astronomer.

Good morning Lesley, Thank you for working away on Frederick Watson's contribution of the Historical Records of Australia - very interesting. Who was this Frederick Watson, and what was his connection to this country? I knew another Frederick Watson back in the 1960s, who might have been a descendant of the man you have written about, and this man was an astronomer. Liz Walker (one of the many women on this planet with the same name!!) On 20/05/2013 2:14 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi all, > > The following is part of the Preface of the Historical Records of > Australia written by Frederick Watson in May 1914, that I thought may be > of interest to some of you. I have probably made a few typing errors, so > I apologise for those. > > > > > "Books have been written and stories have been told, purporting to treat > of epochs or of the whole of Australian history; but it is impossible to > exalt one into the unique position of a truthful and unbiased exposition > of facts, nor has anyone more than attempted to touch on a critical > analysis of the life and times. For more than one hundred years, the > early story of Australia has been spoken of with bated breath, as though > the details of it could not be tolerated in the limelight of public > criticism. In the words of Captain Collins, published in 1798, "an odium > was, from the first, illiberally thrown upon the settlement; and the > word 'Botany Bay' became a term of reproach that was indiscriminately > cast on every one who resided in New South Wales. But let the reproach > light on those who have used it as such." A feeling somewhat akin to > this has influenced authors for more than a century, and facts, which in > themselves form only a meagre portion of the life story, have been > magnified until they are regarded as a huge skeleton in the nation's > cupboard. > > From the earliest printed chronicles, those of Tench, Phillip, White, > Hunter and Collins (in order of historical priority), down to those of > modern times, including those of intermediate date, such as the > histories of Wentworth, Lang, Flanagan, and Bennett, not one can be > accepted as a final authority. Each and every one exhibits errors, not > only in points of judgment and criticism, but in points of fact; and > these seem almost inconceivable when viewed in the light of modern > research. Errors have occurred also in many official tables, as for > example, the table of succession of the Governors in New South Wales, > which is inaccurate in respect to some dates and some ranks of the > administrators. > > > The corruptions which occur in the printed histories may be > traced to various causes. > > > Pre-eminent amongst these in the histories of intermediate and more > recent date is the acceptance of a statement by a single early author > without comparison of the statements of his contemporaries on the same > subject. In this way a superstructure of history has been built on an > insecure foundation and the reliability of the subsequent conclusions > naturally falls short of what is necessary. > > > Of the first five chronicles, two, the voyage of Governor Phillip and > the Historical Journal of Hunter, were semi-official in character, and > the compiler had access to the despatches and journals which had been > transmitted from the settlement; but unfortunately both of these are > unreliable in many respects, and especially the first edition of > Phillip's Voyage. The first account published was Tench's Narrative, > which appeared in April, 1789, and was followed by Phillip's voyage > (first edition) on 1st May following. The material for both these > volumes had been received per the store-ship Borrowdale in the previous > March, so the publications were of necessity hurried. White’s Journal, > Hunter’s Journal, and Collins' Account first appeared in the years 1790, > 1793, and 1798 respectively. These five volumes, "and the subsequent > editions of them, collectively give a good general account of the > transactions during the early years of the settlement; but when the > student desires finality on minor points, may difficulties are > encountered, and when he searches for the underlying motive of many > official acts he finds a barren field. > > > With regard to the minor points of confusion occurs from causes. > Statements of fact are made which are clearly impossible, returns of > convicts or of settlers are made some of which are manifestly > incorrect, nautical and legal terms are quoted in the same volume > without commentary, and proper names are misprinted or misquoted > indiscriminately. > > > In the search for the motives underlying the official life, the student > finds little or no information. Surgeon White gives no medical data, > Captain-Lieutenant Tench, in his Complete Account, omits to give the > story of the troubles with the marines and of his arrest by orders of > Major Ross, and Captain Collins passes by virtually unnoticed the > quarrels in which Major Ross was involved, the abolition of the civil > power by Major Grose, the gradual intrusion of the military into the > general life of the settlement, and the legal difficulties with which he > himself had to contend. No record is given of these and many other > problems; and it almost appears that the facts, of which each individual > author was most cognizant, were deliberately suppresses either from > official or personal reticence. In consequence if an historian had to > draw his material from these works alone, the clue required for the > solution of such problems as the liquor traffic or the Bligh > insurrection, would remain unknown. > > > Subsequent authors have built on these volumes, and have added mistakes > of their own. A few of these may be noted. Lang and Wentworth have > presented a partisan view of most problems, and in addition Lang makes > such errors as neglecting to distinguish between currency and sterling > in quoting sums of money. Flanagan in his history records speeches of > Captain Cook and Phillip which are clearly fictitious. Heaton’s > Dictionary of Dates is compiled from inefficient material, and in many > cases reliance is placed on irresponsible newspaper references. > > History in its truest form can be founded only on a careful and studied > examination of the actual records themselves. Fortunately for the > history of the continent of Australia, the major portion of the official > records are still extant, and the actual state papers giving the > documentary life and actions of each and every epoch may be examined and > digested. With proper and careful grouping, these papers have not yet > become too voluminous to make the task prohibitive to the modern man, > involved in a busy and strenuous career, of making a careful study of > such as relate to any subject in which he is immediately interested. One > reservation, however, must be thoroughly appreciated by the student in > his examination, namely, that the officials papers are only the outward > and visible expression of the inward and secret feeling of the public > men of the times, the things which were really vital and essential being > sometimes almost lost in matters irrelevant thereto, the passing > necessities of the moment. > > > The Library Committee of the Commonwealth Parliament has undertaken the > collection and the publication of copies of all the Australian official > papers, which can be obtained. It has been decided to commence the issue > of the records with the papers, dated in 1788, the year of the > foundation of the settlement at Port Jackson; and therefore many of the > papers, which have been already published by the Government of New South > Wales, will be republished. This course has been rendered necessary > owing to the many grave errors which have been found to occur in the > seven volumes of the Historical Records of New South Wales already issued. > > > These errors may be traced to certain definite causes. One of these was > the method adopted for the collection and compilation of the papers. The > major proportion of the documents were printed from copies made in > England; and those volumes which have been issued are the product of the > selection of one man and of the editing of a second, but before the > editor received them they had passed the ordeal of the censorship, and > consequent deletion of portions by a third. No matter how diligent, > brilliant or careful, any one of the trio might be, the collective > labour of three brains working under such conditions, and one, the > censor’s, most certainly not working with the same large objective in > view, must sooner or later fall far short of the accuracy, completeness > and precision, which are required in history. This has occurred and > serious omissions of important papers have been made. > > The omissions were due to four causes:- > > 1. The action of the censor which was unavoidable; > > 2. The neglect to make a proper search prior to publication for the > documents that were extant. It is stated in a preface re-printed in each > of the seven volumes that all the original papers, which could be found > in New South Wales of a date prior to the year 1800, consisted of ten > papers and one volume, whereas reasonable inquiry would have disclosed > the existence of many hundreds; > > > 3. Editorial omissions, that is to say, the omission of known papers as > unimportant. It is only by the careful examination and assimilation of > all statements, however divergent in substance, with reference to any > one period that the fundamental basis of truth may be conceived in its > true proportions. No matter how omniscient an editor may be, it is > impossible to foretell the consequences of and to give the correct value > to any human act, and some minor act of human energy may often be the > prelude to a series of consequences little dreamt of at the time of the > initial action. Such omissions have led also to the distortion of the > perspective of a period, where a romantic character has been glorified > by the inclusion of all references to him, and in the same period the > papers with references to another, whose life story did not possess the > same fascination, have been excluded. > > 4. The fourth cause of omission is one which must occur in most > collections of records. This is unavoidable in nature, for documents, of > which the existence has been unknown, or of which the destruction has > been considered certain, will from time to time be found hidden in the > most unlikely places. Fortunately, however, for Australian history, this > factor of history or error can with care, be reduced to almost vanishing > point. > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel

Thanks Leslsy for the work you've put into this. Sandra S. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:14:55 +1000 > From: Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [PJ] Historical Records of Australia > To: "aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com" > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5199A33F.1020502@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi all, > > The following is part of the Preface of the Historical Records of > Australia written by Frederick Watson in May 1914,

Good morning, Lesley. Thank you very much for sharing this with us. I'm sure I speak for many PJ convict descendants, when I say that often I am so busy chasing a lead (or a red herring) in my family research, that I don't spend enough time researching the society in which our ancestors lived. You answer our questions - often giving additional information - and still make the time to bring to our notice excerpts such as this. You are a gem! Patricia

Hi Lesley, Many thanks for this - all that typing !! I'll add it to my collection of HRA items you shared with the PJ list years ago ;-) It's a wonderful collection of information about our early history Regards, Norma McLean -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:14 PM To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PJ] Historical Records of Australia > Hi all, > > The following is part of the Preface of the Historical Records of > Australia written by Frederick Watson in May 1914, that I thought may be > of interest to some of you. I have probably made a few typing errors, so

Hi all, The following is part of the Preface of the Historical Records of Australia written by Frederick Watson in May 1914, that I thought may be of interest to some of you. I have probably made a few typing errors, so I apologise for those. "Books have been written and stories have been told, purporting to treat of epochs or of the whole of Australian history; but it is impossible to exalt one into the unique position of a truthful and unbiased exposition of facts, nor has anyone more than attempted to touch on a critical analysis of the life and times. For more than one hundred years, the early story of Australia has been spoken of with bated breath, as though the details of it could not be tolerated in the limelight of public criticism. In the words of Captain Collins, published in 1798, "an odium was, from the first, illiberally thrown upon the settlement; and the word 'Botany Bay' became a term of reproach that was indiscriminately cast on every one who resided in New South Wales. But let the reproach light on those who have used it as such." A feeling somewhat akin to this has influenced authors for more than a century, and facts, which in themselves form only a meagre portion of the life story, have been magnified until they are regarded as a huge skeleton in the nation's cupboard. From the earliest printed chronicles, those of Tench, Phillip, White, Hunter and Collins (in order of historical priority), down to those of modern times, including those of intermediate date, such as the histories of Wentworth, Lang, Flanagan, and Bennett, not one can be accepted as a final authority. Each and every one exhibits errors, not only in points of judgment and criticism, but in points of fact; and these seem almost inconceivable when viewed in the light of modern research. Errors have occurred also in many official tables, as for example, the table of succession of the Governors in New South Wales, which is inaccurate in respect to some dates and some ranks of the administrators. The corruptions which occur in the printed histories may be traced to various causes. Pre-eminent amongst these in the histories of intermediate and more recent date is the acceptance of a statement by a single early author without comparison of the statements of his contemporaries on the same subject. In this way a superstructure of history has been built on an insecure foundation and the reliability of the subsequent conclusions naturally falls short of what is necessary. Of the first five chronicles, two, the voyage of Governor Phillip and the Historical Journal of Hunter, were semi-official in character, and the compiler had access to the despatches and journals which had been transmitted from the settlement; but unfortunately both of these are unreliable in many respects, and especially the first edition of Phillip's Voyage. The first account published was Tench's Narrative, which appeared in April, 1789, and was followed by Phillip's voyage (first edition) on 1st May following. The material for both these volumes had been received per the store-ship Borrowdale in the previous March, so the publications were of necessity hurried. White’s Journal, Hunter’s Journal, and Collins' Account first appeared in the years 1790, 1793, and 1798 respectively. These five volumes, "and the subsequent editions of them, collectively give a good general account of the transactions during the early years of the settlement; but when the student desires finality on minor points, may difficulties are encountered, and when he searches for the underlying motive of many official acts he finds a barren field. With regard to the minor points of confusion occurs from causes. Statements of fact are made which are clearly impossible, returns of convicts or of settlers are made some of which are manifestly incorrect, nautical and legal terms are quoted in the same volume without commentary, and proper names are misprinted or misquoted indiscriminately. In the search for the motives underlying the official life, the student finds little or no information. Surgeon White gives no medical data, Captain-Lieutenant Tench, in his Complete Account, omits to give the story of the troubles with the marines and of his arrest by orders of Major Ross, and Captain Collins passes by virtually unnoticed the quarrels in which Major Ross was involved, the abolition of the civil power by Major Grose, the gradual intrusion of the military into the general life of the settlement, and the legal difficulties with which he himself had to contend. No record is given of these and many other problems; and it almost appears that the facts, of which each individual author was most cognizant, were deliberately suppresses either from official or personal reticence. In consequence if an historian had to draw his material from these works alone, the clue required for the solution of such problems as the liquor traffic or the Bligh insurrection, would remain unknown. Subsequent authors have built on these volumes, and have added mistakes of their own. A few of these may be noted. Lang and Wentworth have presented a partisan view of most problems, and in addition Lang makes such errors as neglecting to distinguish between currency and sterling in quoting sums of money. Flanagan in his history records speeches of Captain Cook and Phillip which are clearly fictitious. Heaton’s Dictionary of Dates is compiled from inefficient material, and in many cases reliance is placed on irresponsible newspaper references. History in its truest form can be founded only on a careful and studied examination of the actual records themselves. Fortunately for the history of the continent of Australia, the major portion of the official records are still extant, and the actual state papers giving the documentary life and actions of each and every epoch may be examined and digested. With proper and careful grouping, these papers have not yet become too voluminous to make the task prohibitive to the modern man, involved in a busy and strenuous career, of making a careful study of such as relate to any subject in which he is immediately interested. One reservation, however, must be thoroughly appreciated by the student in his examination, namely, that the officials papers are only the outward and visible expression of the inward and secret feeling of the public men of the times, the things which were really vital and essential being sometimes almost lost in matters irrelevant thereto, the passing necessities of the moment. The Library Committee of the Commonwealth Parliament has undertaken the collection and the publication of copies of all the Australian official papers, which can be obtained. It has been decided to commence the issue of the records with the papers, dated in 1788, the year of the foundation of the settlement at Port Jackson; and therefore many of the papers, which have been already published by the Government of New South Wales, will be republished. This course has been rendered necessary owing to the many grave errors which have been found to occur in the seven volumes of the Historical Records of New South Wales already issued. These errors may be traced to certain definite causes. One of these was the method adopted for the collection and compilation of the papers. The major proportion of the documents were printed from copies made in England; and those volumes which have been issued are the product of the selection of one man and of the editing of a second, but before the editor received them they had passed the ordeal of the censorship, and consequent deletion of portions by a third. No matter how diligent, brilliant or careful, any one of the trio might be, the collective labour of three brains working under such conditions, and one, the censor’s, most certainly not working with the same large objective in view, must sooner or later fall far short of the accuracy, completeness and precision, which are required in history. This has occurred and serious omissions of important papers have been made. The omissions were due to four causes:- 1. The action of the censor which was unavoidable; 2. The neglect to make a proper search prior to publication for the documents that were extant. It is stated in a preface re-printed in each of the seven volumes that all the original papers, which could be found in New South Wales of a date prior to the year 1800, consisted of ten papers and one volume, whereas reasonable inquiry would have disclosed the existence of many hundreds; 3. Editorial omissions, that is to say, the omission of known papers as unimportant. It is only by the careful examination and assimilation of all statements, however divergent in substance, with reference to any one period that the fundamental basis of truth may be conceived in its true proportions. No matter how omniscient an editor may be, it is impossible to foretell the consequences of and to give the correct value to any human act, and some minor act of human energy may often be the prelude to a series of consequences little dreamt of at the time of the initial action. Such omissions have led also to the distortion of the perspective of a period, where a romantic character has been glorified by the inclusion of all references to him, and in the same period the papers with references to another, whose life story did not possess the same fascination, have been excluded. 4. The fourth cause of omission is one which must occur in most collections of records. This is unavoidable in nature, for documents, of which the existence has been unknown, or of which the destruction has been considered certain, will from time to time be found hidden in the most unlikely places. Fortunately, however, for Australian history, this factor of history or error can with care, be reduced to almost vanishing point. Regards Lesley Uebel -- http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au

Both of the Dawley men were tried at the County of Cork Summer Assizes 1822 Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 18/05/2013 8:20 AM, Irelandcrokepark wrote: > Lyn, > > Sorry I didn't sign off on my mail to you have you a date of arrival that might indicate which assizes he might have been tried at? > > Gerry in Dublin > > Sent from phone > > On 17 May 2013, at 21:14, "Lyn Bratby" <lynettebratby@bigpond.com> wrote: >

sorry s.b. 1822 not 1882.Lyn Bratby

Sorry typo not tried 1882 should be 1822, my apologies Lyn Bratby -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Bratby Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 6:01 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Brampton convicts On a list of Irish convicts to Australia (compiled by Peter Mayberry) are the convicts Listed by Lyn Elgood as of interest to her. Beside the name of Timothy Dawley is the crime of "Abduction heiress administering oaths" Trial place is Cork Co and date is only listed as 1882; Any help would be appreciated. Regards Lyn Bratby -----Original Message----- From: Genealogy Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:06 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Brampton convicts Lyn, Do you have further details, as I may be able to check this for you in the National Library Dublin. What assizes was he convicted and when. I'll be able to go and check when my exams are over the week after next! On 17 May 2013, at 02:02, Lyn Bratby wrote: > Dear Listers, > I am new to this source of information; so if I am > stating the obvious, please excuse me. You are aware of the crime > listed next to the > name of Timothy Dawley in the list of Irish convicts I presume (Peter > Mayberry list) They may have all been in on it, “Abduction Heiress, > ministering oaths” > I suppose the next step is to study the newspapers of the day for details > of the trial. Regards Lyn Bratby > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6330 - Release Date: 05/16/13 ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6330 - Release Date: 05/16/13

On a list of Irish convicts to Australia (compiled by Peter Mayberry) are the convicts Listed by Lyn Elgood as of interest to her. Beside the name of Timothy Dawley is the crime of "Abduction heiress administering oaths" Trial place is Cork Co and date is only listed as 1882; Any help would be appreciated. Regards Lyn Bratby -----Original Message----- From: Genealogy Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:06 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Brampton convicts Lyn, Do you have further details, as I may be able to check this for you in the National Library Dublin. What assizes was he convicted and when. I'll be able to go and check when my exams are over the week after next! On 17 May 2013, at 02:02, Lyn Bratby wrote: > Dear Listers, > I am new to this source of information; so if I am > stating the obvious, please excuse me. You are aware of the crime > listed next to the > name of Timothy Dawley in the list of Irish convicts I presume (Peter > Mayberry list) They may have all been in on it, “Abduction Heiress, > ministering oaths” > I suppose the next step is to study the newspapers of the day for details > of the trial. Regards Lyn Bratby > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6330 - Release Date: 05/16/13

Thanks Lesley I'll get to look after my exams! Gerry ps Dublin is sunny but a chilly 9c Sent from phone On 17 May 2013, at 23:32, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Both of the Dawley men were tried at the County of Cork Summer Assizes 1822 > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > > > email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > On 18/05/2013 8:20 AM, Irelandcrokepark wrote: >> Lyn, >> >> Sorry I didn't sign off on my mail to you have you a date of arrival that might indicate which assizes he might have been tried at? >> >> Gerry in Dublin >> >> Sent from phone >> >> On 17 May 2013, at 21:14, "Lyn Bratby" <lynettebratby@bigpond.com> wrote: > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lyn, Sorry I didn't sign off on my mail to you have you a date of arrival that might indicate which assizes he might have been tried at? Gerry in Dublin Sent from phone On 17 May 2013, at 21:14, "Lyn Bratby" <lynettebratby@bigpond.com> wrote: > Sorry typo not tried 1882 should be 1822, my apologies Lyn Bratby > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lyn Bratby > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 6:01 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Brampton convicts > > On a list of Irish convicts to Australia (compiled by Peter Mayberry) are > the convicts Listed by Lyn Elgood as of interest to her. > Beside the name of Timothy Dawley is the crime of "Abduction heiress > administering oaths" Trial place is Cork Co and date > is only listed as 1882; Any help would be appreciated. Regards Lyn Bratby > -----Original Message----- > From: Genealogy > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:06 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Brampton convicts > > Lyn, > > Do you have further details, as I may be able to check this for you in the > National Library Dublin. What assizes was he convicted and when. > > I'll be able to go and check when my exams are over the week after next! > > > On 17 May 2013, at 02:02, Lyn Bratby wrote: > >> Dear Listers, >> I am new to this source of information; so if I am >> stating the obvious, please excuse me. You are aware of the crime >> listed next to the >> name of Timothy Dawley in the list of Irish convicts I presume (Peter >> Mayberry list) They may have all been in on it, “Abduction Heiress, >> ministering oaths” >> I suppose the next step is to study the newspapers of the day for details >> of the trial. Regards Lyn Bratby >> >> ---------------------- >> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6330 - Release Date: 05/16/13 > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6330 - Release Date: 05/16/13 > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lyn, Do you have further details, as I may be able to check this for you in the National Library Dublin. What assizes was he convicted and when. I'll be able to go and check when my exams are over the week after next! On 17 May 2013, at 02:02, Lyn Bratby wrote: > Dear Listers, > I am new to this source of information; so if I am stating the obvious, please excuse me. You are aware of the crime listed next to the > name of Timothy Dawley in the list of Irish convicts I presume (Peter Mayberry list) They may have all been in on it, “Abduction Heiress, ministering oaths” > I suppose the next step is to study the newspapers of the day for details of the trial. Regards Lyn Bratby > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, Has anyone got Michael Sheridan, arrived Guilford[8], in 1829, in their tree or interests. I have his convict record, I'm looking for details of his life here, post his TOL issued 1837 in the Yass district, and COF issued 1843[Somewhere?]. Best regards.........Ian Nicholls.

Hi List, Thanks to those who assisted with the above. Best regards..........Ian.

Dear Listers, I am new to this source of information; so if I am stating the obvious, please excuse me. You are aware of the crime listed next to the name of Timothy Dawley in the list of Irish convicts I presume (Peter Mayberry list) They may have all been in on it, “Abduction Heiress, ministering oaths” I suppose the next step is to study the newspapers of the day for details of the trial. Regards Lyn Bratby