Hi Lesley, thank you so much, yes I do have a news report it is only on the arrest, there were 4 of them, all sales men on a drunken spree, it is said they passed a counterfeit coin at the turn gate, and broke into a house into a house. I had Richard Callanan do a lot of research he was good but could not identify Daniels parents . Daniel was born between 1808 and 1810, there are several Daniel Fowlers born around that time I have ruled out the one in Bridport, and Daniel Fowler the artist who went to Canada. Daniel claimed to be born in Stover Bristol which makes sense as his mother seemed to be known there. I have found in recent years he was a boatman for Fredrick Garling the artist, until Daniel was killed accidently, when some timbers fell on him. Its a needle in a haystack, I have an elderly cousin who has spent her life on this research I would love to solve it for her. Laraine -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Uebel Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:46 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] brick walls Hi Laraine, The Indent for the Isabella I (4) states that he received a life sentence and there is no mention of it being reduced to 7 years. He received a Conditional Pardon in 1847 - some 16 years after his arrival. As regards his wife, have you checked the newspapers of the time for Taunton/Somerset or Staffordshire? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 4/06/2013 8:01 AM, Laraine Dillon wrote: > I would like to join the brick wallers on list. > After many years of unsuccessful research and paying researchers, I just > wonder If with all the experience of this list I might strike it lucky. > My Ancestor Daniel Fowler came to Australia as a convict in 1832 on the > Isabella 4. > Daniel according to records left a wife and 4 children in England, I have > information on his trial in England it mentions his mother only as Mrs > Fowler who made an appeal using Business men in Bristol also to appeal > for his life, it was successful and converted to 7 years. > My brick wall, I can not find Daniels mothers name, his fathers, or wife’s,any > suggestions please,his last abode before his arrest in Taunton was Lane > End Staffordshire where all the Pottery works were. > Daniel was educated, and claimed to be involved in Pottery, he married > again in Australia to Bridget Walsh I would like to find the English > roots. > Thank you > Laraine > > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Laraine, The Indent for the Isabella I (4) states that he received a life sentence and there is no mention of it being reduced to 7 years. He received a Conditional Pardon in 1847 - some 16 years after his arrival. As regards his wife, have you checked the newspapers of the time for Taunton/Somerset or Staffordshire? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 4/06/2013 8:01 AM, Laraine Dillon wrote: > I would like to join the brick wallers on list. > After many years of unsuccessful research and paying researchers, I just wonder If with all the experience of this list I might strike it lucky. > My Ancestor Daniel Fowler came to Australia as a convict in 1832 on the Isabella 4. > Daniel according to records left a wife and 4 children in England, I have information on his trial in England it mentions his mother only as Mrs Fowler who made an appeal using Business men in Bristol also to appeal for his life, it was successful and converted to 7 years. > My brick wall, I can not find Daniels mothers name, his fathers, or wife’s,any suggestions please,his last abode before his arrest in Taunton was Lane End Staffordshire where all the Pottery works were. > Daniel was educated, and claimed to be involved in Pottery, he married again in Australia to Bridget Walsh I would like to find the English roots. > Thank you > Laraine > > >

I would like to join the brick wallers on list. After many years of unsuccessful research and paying researchers, I just wonder If with all the experience of this list I might strike it lucky. My Ancestor Daniel Fowler came to Australia as a convict in 1832 on the Isabella 4. Daniel according to records left a wife and 4 children in England, I have information on his trial in England it mentions his mother only as Mrs Fowler who made an appeal using Business men in Bristol also to appeal for his life, it was successful and converted to 7 years. My brick wall, I can not find Daniels mothers name, his fathers, or wife’s,any suggestions please,his last abode before his arrest in Taunton was Lane End Staffordshire where all the Pottery works were. Daniel was educated, and claimed to be involved in Pottery, he married again in Australia to Bridget Walsh I would like to find the English roots. Thank you Laraine

Dear all This may be of interest to those of you in Sydney who are seeking to follow the trail of convicts escaping from Port Jackson via privateers and whalers in the early convict era. Wed, 5th June at 1pm at RAHS, 133 Macquarie Street, this lecture results from my Churchill Trust project on British and colonial Australian records in Spanish language archives. Topic: *"Privateering in the Pacific Ocean – the role of Sydney in the downfall of the Spanish Empire 1793-1823"* Full details can be found at: *http://tinyurl.com/RAHS-lecture-2013-06-05 * * * cheers Chris Maxworthy* *

Thanks for this info, Lesley; I'll follow it up :-) Eunice Eunice Donovan Calen QLD 4798 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] My convicts - Patrick GRACE and Thomas O'SHAUGHNESSY > Hi again Eunice > > Well, James Byrne and his wife Sarah did have a child named Anne who was > about 15 years of age in 1828 > > James Byrne arrived on the Anne in 1801 and his wife Sarah Franklington > arrived on the Minstrel in 1812. I cannot find a marriage for them. > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > > > email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > On 3/06/2013 10:41 AM, Eunice Donovan wrote: >> Hello Lesley >> >> Thank you so much for this information!! I've got some more avenues to >> look >> at now :-) >> >> And, yes, Thomas did marry Ann BYRNE in 1829, but I don't know her family >> yet. It does make sense that she might be related to his previous >> "boss", >> and that once he received his freedom he felt he could marry her. >> Another >> lead to follow :-) >> >> Thank you :-) >> >> Eunice > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3184/5877 - Release Date: 06/02/13 >

Hi again Eunice Well, James Byrne and his wife Sarah did have a child named Anne who was about 15 years of age in 1828 James Byrne arrived on the Anne in 1801 and his wife Sarah Franklington arrived on the Minstrel in 1812. I cannot find a marriage for them. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 3/06/2013 10:41 AM, Eunice Donovan wrote: > Hello Lesley > > Thank you so much for this information!! I've got some more avenues to look > at now :-) > > And, yes, Thomas did marry Ann BYRNE in 1829, but I don't know her family > yet. It does make sense that she might be related to his previous "boss", > and that once he received his freedom he felt he could marry her. Another > lead to follow :-) > > Thank you :-) > > Eunice

Hello Lesley Thank you so much for this information!! I've got some more avenues to look at now :-) And, yes, Thomas did marry Ann BYRNE in 1829, but I don't know her family yet. It does make sense that she might be related to his previous "boss", and that once he received his freedom he felt he could marry her. Another lead to follow :-) Thank you :-) Eunice Eunice Donovan Calen QLD 4798 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] My convicts - Patrick GRACE and Thomas O'SHAUGHNESSY Hi Eunice, On 23 January 1823, Patrick was assigned to William Elyard at Picton. As the transport Countess of Harcourt” arrived on the 21st December 1822, this was probably his first assignment. According to the 1825 General Muster, he was assigned to Mr. Smithers at Sydney. According to the 1828 NSW Census Patrick Grace was working as an Overseer for James Smithers at Camden. On arrival in November 1822 Thomas was sent to Airds for distribution. In the 1825 General Muster Thomas was assigned to James Byrne at Appin. In the 1828 NSW Census Thomas Shaughnessy was in receipt of a Ticket of Leave and was working for James Kennedy at Appin as a Labourer. Did Thomas marry Ann Byrne? And if so, was she related to James Byrne to whom he was assigned? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 3/06/2013 8:44 AM, Eunice Donovan wrote: > Hi Natalie > > Thanks for the welcome :-) > > I know a fair bit about Patrick at the moment ... he arrived on the > "Countess of Harcourt" in 1822, got his Certificate of Freedom in 1829. > He > married Mary Ann DWYER, daughter of Michael DWYER and Mary DOYLE, in 1834. > Together they had 3 children and travelled to South Australia where > Patrick > took up land. His 2 sons, James (b.1835) and John (b.1837), married 2 > daughters of his friend and fellow-convict, Thomas O'SHAUGHNESSY. He died > on his property in SA in 1872. > > What I don't know is how Patrick and Thomas spent their 7 year sentences - > were they assigned? Who to? What did they do? And I don't know what they > did after they received their freedom. > > I would appreciate any ideas about how to find out that information :-) > > Kind regards > > Eunice > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3184/5877 - Release Date: 06/02/13

Hi Eunice, On 23 January 1823, Patrick was assigned to William Elyard at Picton. As the transport Countess of Harcourt” arrived on the 21st December 1822, this was probably his first assignment. According to the 1825 General Muster, he was assigned to Mr. Smithers at Sydney. According to the 1828 NSW Census Patrick Grace was working as an Overseer for James Smithers at Camden. On arrival in November 1822 Thomas was sent to Airds for distribution. In the 1825 General Muster Thomas was assigned to James Byrne at Appin. In the 1828 NSW Census Thomas Shaughnessy was in receipt of a Ticket of Leave and was working for James Kennedy at Appin as a Labourer. Did Thomas marry Ann Byrne? And if so, was she related to James Byrne to whom he was assigned? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 3/06/2013 8:44 AM, Eunice Donovan wrote: > Hi Natalie > > Thanks for the welcome :-) > > I know a fair bit about Patrick at the moment ... he arrived on the > "Countess of Harcourt" in 1822, got his Certificate of Freedom in 1829. He > married Mary Ann DWYER, daughter of Michael DWYER and Mary DOYLE, in 1834. > Together they had 3 children and travelled to South Australia where Patrick > took up land. His 2 sons, James (b.1835) and John (b.1837), married 2 > daughters of his friend and fellow-convict, Thomas O'SHAUGHNESSY. He died > on his property in SA in 1872. > > What I don't know is how Patrick and Thomas spent their 7 year sentences - > were they assigned? Who to? What did they do? And I don't know what they > did after they received their freedom. > > I would appreciate any ideas about how to find out that information :-) > > Kind regards > > Eunice >

Hi Natalie Thanks for the welcome :-) I know a fair bit about Patrick at the moment ... he arrived on the "Countess of Harcourt" in 1822, got his Certificate of Freedom in 1829. He married Mary Ann DWYER, daughter of Michael DWYER and Mary DOYLE, in 1834. Together they had 3 children and travelled to South Australia where Patrick took up land. His 2 sons, James (b.1835) and John (b.1837), married 2 daughters of his friend and fellow-convict, Thomas O'SHAUGHNESSY. He died on his property in SA in 1872. What I don't know is how Patrick and Thomas spent their 7 year sentences - were they assigned? Who to? What did they do? And I don't know what they did after they received their freedom. I would appreciate any ideas about how to find out that information :-) Kind regards Eunice Eunice Donovan Calen QLD 4798 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie Baig" <baigpath@gmail.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] My convicts - Patrick GRACE and Thomas O'SHAUGHNESSY > Welcome Eunice, is there any specific information you are after on Patrick > or Thomas? Regards, Natalie > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Eunice Donovan > <eunice.donovan@bigpond.com>wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> >> I'm new to the List, so here are my convicts I'm researching: >> >> GRACE, Patrick - arrived on "Countess of Harcourt"(2) in Dec 1822 >> O'SHAUGHNESSY, Thomas - arrived on "Mangles" in 1822 >> >> Looking forward to learning lots from others who've travelled this >> research before me :-) >> >> Eunice >> >> >> > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3184/5875 - Release Date: 06/01/13 >

Welcome Eunice, is there any specific information you are after on Patrick or Thomas? Regards, Natalie On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Eunice Donovan <eunice.donovan@bigpond.com>wrote: > Hello everyone > > I'm new to the List, so here are my convicts I'm researching: > > GRACE, Patrick - arrived on "Countess of Harcourt"(2) in Dec 1822 > O'SHAUGHNESSY, Thomas - arrived on "Mangles" in 1822 > > Looking forward to learning lots from others who've travelled this > research before me :-) > > Eunice > > >

Hello everyone I'm new to the List, so here are my convicts I'm researching: GRACE, Patrick - arrived on "Countess of Harcourt"(2) in Dec 1822 O'SHAUGHNESSY, Thomas - arrived on "Mangles" in 1822 Looking forward to learning lots from others who've travelled this research before me :-) Eunice Eunice Donovan 2948 Mirani-Mt.Ossa Rd Calen QLD 4798

In the absence of census information in Ireland between 1823-1837 the country was surveyed and each occupier listed according to the land held. The Tithes were a tax imposed to support the Established Church (Church of Ireland) which was the official religion at the time of Crown Rule. There is more information on the site and this is indexed by Forename, Surname, Townland, Parish and County. The image is available once a record is selected. The site was indexed by the Latter Day Saints in partnership with the National Archives. http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp Hope this is helpful in identifying the origins of some of your convict ancestors. Gerry in Dublin

Apologies all. My message was meant to go privately to Liz. Pam An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ

Hi Liz, I think this Thomas MORAN probably was one of mine, although I have him being called Terry rather than Tom. Not sure where I got that diminutive from. Still, it's possible for a person to be known as one thing in one group (say family) and another in a group of friends. I am surmising this connection, that it is "my" Thomas Terence MORAN based on dates and what's in the NSW BDM indices. I've found Frances' first marriage but not the death of her first husband. So a few questionmarks there. Attaching a chart for you. Can give more details if you wish. Kind regards Pam At 04:43 p.m. 31-05-2013 +1000, you wrote: >I know very little on this person, Tom Moran, who was my father's >brother-in-law. Tom was my Aunt Frances's second husband, and they >both died in the 1990s in their 90s in Sydney. I also worked with a >fellow named Peter Moran in Sydney in an Accountancy Practice, and he >would be in his late 70s now, but I lost touch with him. An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ

Thanks Liz, I'll take this off-list with you and reply privately since it's not a convict. (I have 8 Thomas MORANs in my lot so far and not sure if I have yours or not.) Kind regards Pam An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ At 04:43 p.m. 31-05-2013 +1000, you wrote: >Good afternoon Pam, > >I know very little on this person, Tom Moran, who was my father's >brother-in-law. Tom was my Aunt Frances's second husband, and they >both died in the 1990s in their 90s in Sydney. I also worked with a >fellow named Peter Moran in Sydney in an Accountancy Practice, and he >would be in his late 70s now, but I lost touch with him. An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ

Hi Natalie, Thanks so much. However, your off-list message hasn't arrived yet. Would you mind re-sending it please? Many thanks Pam An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ At 10:56 a.m. 31-05-2013 +1000, Natalie Baig wrote: >Hi Pam, Replied off line, Natalie An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ

Hi Graham, Thanks you for your reply and apologies for lack of detail in my query. I'll blame my brain fade on having a face-ache from a molar extraction. :-( I don't have access to the ARK (?GRK) or many convict records except what is on State Records website and some indices, including GSV's index to indents. I do have the 1828 census CD which I've not yet checked, but would be grateful for info from the 1837 muster, thank you. I don't yet know anything else about these convicts except they were convicted in Galway which is why I'm trying to research them. I usually try to start with Indent information if possible. Our library has the index to indents on fiche, but that's all. What I'm trying to do is investigate if these MORAN convicts have connections with my several other Galway MORAN families who were not convicts and who arrived for the most part in the 1850s & 1860s. These Christian same names are all used over and over in my MORAN families. Since I posted my query, it was pointed out to me that there was also another Galway convict: Mary MORAN per John Bull 1821 so if anyone is able to help I'd be very grateful for indent or other info on her too, please. Again, apologies and thanks for taking me to task. :-) Kind regards Pam An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ At 08:35 a.m. 31-05-2013 +1000, Grahame Thom wrote: >Hi Pam > >Can check the 1837 Muster, but my question to you is, what do you >have already, as listers wont want to duplicate anything you have on hand? > >cheers > >Grahame > >On 30/05/2013, at 1:55 PM, Pam Dowling wrote: > > > Good afternoon Listers, from a freezing cold Rotorua > > > > Just wondering if anyone has access to Indent or other information > > and could lookup details for these three convicts for me please: > > > > Moran, Michael1832Eliza 11 (4) > > Moran, Patrick1832Eliza 11 (4) > > Moran, John1836Captain Cook (3)

Hi Pam 1837 Muster Moran, Mary, not listed Moran, Michael, not listed - he could have been simply missed or died Moran, Patrick, age 30, ship Eliza, 1832, master - Robert Raine, District - Sydney Moran, John, age 20, ship Captain Cook, 1836, master - W Lithgow, district - Argyle There is a Michael Moran on the online NSW BDM index, died 1837, age 20 Here are some interesting links, but pehaps you have already seen them. http://www.irelandxo.com/node/19330 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteboys http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/IRL-GALWAY/2000-08/0967733685 cheers Grahame On 30/05/2013, at 1:55 PM, Pam Dowling wrote: > Good afternoon Listers, from a freezing cold Rotorua > > Just wondering if anyone has access to Indent or other information > and could lookup details for these three convicts for me please: > > Moran, Michael1832Eliza 11 (4) > Moran, Patrick1832Eliza 11 (4) > Moran, John1836Captain Cook (3) > > Many thanks > Pam > > An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hullo again Pam. Another couple of pieces of information In HO 10/29, Michael Moran was listed as working for John Jones, Bathurst and Patrick was working for John Raine Jnr, Parramatta. Regards, Natalie

Good afternoon Pam, I know very little on this person, Tom Moran, who was my father's brother-in-law. Tom was my Aunt Frances's second husband, and they both died in the 1990s in their 90s in Sydney. I also worked with a fellow named Peter Moran in Sydney in an Accountancy Practice, and he would be in his late 70s now, but I lost touch with him. Liz Walker On 31/05/2013 4:22 PM, Pam Dowling wrote: > Hi Graham, > > Thanks you for your reply and apologies for lack of detail in my > query. I'll blame my brain fade on having a face-ache from a molar > extraction. :-( > > I don't have access to the ARK (?GRK) or many convict records except > what is on State Records website and some indices, including GSV's > index to indents. I do have the 1828 census CD which I've not yet > checked, but would be grateful for info from the 1837 muster, thank you. > > I don't yet know anything else about these convicts except they were > convicted in Galway which is why I'm trying to research them. I > usually try to start with Indent information if possible. Our library > has the index to indents on fiche, but that's all. > > What I'm trying to do is investigate if these MORAN convicts have > connections with my several other Galway MORAN families who were not > convicts and who arrived for the most part in the 1850s & 1860s. > These Christian same names are all used over and over in my MORAN families. > > Since I posted my query, it was pointed out to me that there was also > another Galway convict: > Mary MORAN per John Bull 1821 > so if anyone is able to help I'd be very grateful for indent or other > info on her too, please. > > Again, apologies and thanks for taking me to task. :-) > > Kind regards > Pam > An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ > > > At 08:35 a.m. 31-05-2013 +1000, Grahame Thom wrote: >> Hi Pam >> >> Can check the 1837 Muster, but my question to you is, what do you >> have already, as listers wont want to duplicate anything you have on hand? >> >> cheers >> >> Grahame >> >> On 30/05/2013, at 1:55 PM, Pam Dowling wrote: >> >>> Good afternoon Listers, from a freezing cold Rotorua >>> >>> Just wondering if anyone has access to Indent or other information >>> and could lookup details for these three convicts for me please: >>> >>> Moran, Michael1832Eliza 11 (4) >>> Moran, Patrick1832Eliza 11 (4) >>> Moran, John1836Captain Cook (3) > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >