Good afternoon Robyn, Are you one way or another connected to Denis Hogan, who came here from somewhere in Tipperary, as a convict in 1833? Denis is the earliest of my ancestors to come to Aust. from the UK and Ireland, and I have been unable to connect him to any Hogan family in Ireland. I have spent years on the Tipperary list, with no information available regarding Denis, so presume all the documentation was destroyed in the Uprisings last century. Denis Hogan, b. ca 1811, somewhere in Tipperary, parents unknown, and his wife Margaret nee Carey, also parents unknown, an immigrant from somewhere in Ireland, married in Sydney in 1842, had four children here, two of whom, Mary and Timothy, died at very early ages. Denis died in 1850 and Margaret died in 1853, both in Sydney. Their older sons, James b. 1835, and John b. 1842 both went on to have large families, and through my late father, I connect into John Hogan's line, where John married Frances Marjoram, daughter of William Marjoram, who, with his father Robert, came here both as convicts, from the village of Bredfield in Suffolk. Liz Walker nee Hogan. On 21/07/2013 5:33 PM, Robyn Hogan wrote: > Hi re the London Chronicle (and others), I previously posted this information but here it is again. > The National Library of Australia (NLA) has a lot of free resources and here is how you access them online: >

Is there a book with biographies of members of the First or Third Fleet, similar to that by Michael Flynn on the Second Fleet? Thanks, Matt Sent from my iPhone

Hi Rhonda, I think the hulk at Portsmouth might have been the Captivity hulk. His trial date was 9 March 1801 and he was given life. Another researcher might be able to advise regarding the trial account. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Brownlow" <brownlowr@dodo.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:05 AM Subject: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS > Hello Listers > Can anyone help please with the trial place/building for the assizes when > held at Essex (Chelmsford) 1801 and is it possible to get a newspaper > account of the trial for John King, he was transported on the Perseus > 1802, > and I think he was held on the Capacity Hulk, at Portsmouth. > > Has anyone had any success in finding out more about this particular hulk > please > Cheers Rhonda > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers Can anyone help please with the trial place/building for the assizes when held at Essex (Chelmsford) 1801 and is it possible to get a newspaper account of the trial for John King, he was transported on the Perseus 1802, and I think he was held on the Capacity Hulk, at Portsmouth. Has anyone had any success in finding out more about this particular hulk please Cheers Rhonda

Hi re the London Chronicle (and others), I previously posted this information but here it is again. The National Library of Australia (NLA) has a lot of free resources and here is how you access them online: 1. The initial step is to goto the National Library of Australia http://www.nla.gov.au/ 2. You need to be a Member - you can do this online but takes about a week to come through. 3. Then go to eResources - http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/ 4. This page gives you three entry options, the second is "Licenced Resources", click there. Regards, Robyn

thankyou very much for the great information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan" <paynescrossing@gmail.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] need a london morning chronicle page > The Morning Chronicle (London, England) is available via Gale News > Vault. You have free access to this with a library card from the > National Library of Australia. Your State Library probably also offers > access. > > http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/item/4243 > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Morning Chronicle (London, England) is available via Gale News Vault. You have free access to this with a library card from the National Library of Australia. Your State Library probably also offers access. http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/item/4243

Hi Laraine, I was interested in farms in the Castlereagh district as my ancestor had 2 land grants under the names William Anson or William Hanson. He also worked on farms owned by Edward Gray & William Clark. Does your map show any of these names? Cheers, Coral Saunders -----Original Message----- From: Laraine Dillon Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:38 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Parish of Castlereagh Hello All I have just found a of map of Old Castlereagh, and note a John Harris , lot 49 was someone after information on this. Lara ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Laraine I wasn't the person who posted. However could you tell me please if the map show the name John Anderson please? My ancestor was working on his farm in 1816. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Laraine Dillon <lmcd440@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello All I have just found a of map of Old Castlereagh, and note a John > Harris , lot 49 was someone after information on this. > Lara > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

hi all, need a page of the morning chronicle, family notices, dated 19/04/1852 for a marriage between richard hamilton rankin and mary browne, only daughter of deceased father thomas browne, in marylebone, her father is from the island of grenada in the caribean. maybe a reverand?? i cannot get a copy on ancestry maybe some one could help me. glen

Hello All I have just found a of map of Old Castlereagh, and note a John Harris , lot 49 was someone after information on this. Lara

Dear Listers I am interested in Jane Hooper as she seems to have been connected to my gx3 grandfather Jonathan Griffiths, convict 2nd fleet, and his family. 2 of J'than's grand daughters were named Jane Hooper. I would be appreciate any info / input/ thoughts about her, especially any data from the NSW census / musters. Jane Hooper drowned when she fell into the Tamar nr L'ton in a state of intoxication aged 40 in 1833. >From at least 1826 Mrs Hooper had been 'housekeeper ' for J'than nr L'ton and this is documented in articles found on trove. A Jane Duff married George Hooper in 1817 in Sydney; he was a mariner who had come from Mauritius. A Mrs Hooper made several voyages to VDL between 1817 & 1820. George Hooper was Master of the Henrietta packet between VDL and PD in1817 A George Hooper died in Sydney in March 1820. Rebecca J Hooper was born in Sydney in 1816 parents Jane and George Hooper. R J Hooper was put in the female orphan school in 1825 until 1830. Rebecca Hooper sailed to L'ton on the Kains, captain William Lushington Goodwin, in 1831 & she returned to Sydney in 1833. She later married William Shipman JANE Hooper, had a child by Goodwin in L'ton in 1832, this child, Jane Goodwin, died in 1833. Goodwin having a wife and children who were still in England at this time. He later started the Cornwall Chronicle in L'ton. Going further back, a convict Janet Duff Scotland tried Glasgow 1810 arrived in Sydney on the 'Friends' in 1811. She had a child, Betty Duff, born in 1812, fathered by Samuel Foster who c/ free on the "Sydney Cove' in 1809 and was listed as a baker. Samuel also had a child with convict Ann Single in 1809, she in her late 40s & his housekeeper. In Aug1820 Janet Duff 'free by servitude no 4/2454 1 May 1820' was a passenger on the Griffiths ship Glory to PD along with J'than and 2 of his sons. Elizabeth Duff is listed on the Griffiths ship Glory in June 1824 as " going to join her mother Jane Duff in PD". Elizabeth Hooper married in L'ton Captain John Barker Harwood captain of Caroline in 1829 then left PD. Is it reasonable to assume that Janet/ Jane Duff & Jane Hooper are all one and the same person??? and that Elizabeth/ Betty Duff & Elizabeth Hooper are one and the same?? The census/ muster data may help. Kaye Sutton

Hi Coral McCarthy's cemetery is now an island (so I am told). This happened in creating the water venues for the 2000 Olympic Games. The headstones in this Cemetery have been transcribed and published in History in Stone by J McD Jones. There are no entries for Anson, Hanson or White. cheers Grahame On 15/07/2013, at 1:01 PM, Coral Saunders wrote: > Hi John, Thanks for the information about McCarthy's farm. If I get a > chance, I'll check it out. I don't suppose our Harriets are the same > person - mine had quite a haul of stolen goods - literally 3 bags full. > The Old Bailey transcript makes interesting reading. Best of luck with your > Harriet. Cheers, Coral Saunders > > -

  Hi Carol, No chance at all that the two Harriets are one and the same.   They must be different persons. Mine was definitely Wesleyan.  Don't know how saintly yours was, but by all accounts mine definitely seemed a goodly/godly person or 'saint' (after her reform anyway); yet I don't think the Wesleyans recognised saints at all ...?.... only the Catholics, and even they are very slow about it.. McCarthy's cemetery is decidedly Catholic - perhaps the first Catholic cemetery (I am not entirely sure of that, thouigh).  it might have been made 'general' in the long run (after the Government recognised it), but it definitely began as Catholic. MCarthy's farm is held, at least locally, as the first place Catholic mass was held in Aus (by a convict priest, presumably one of the Irish Rebels of 1798) and they also began their own burials there - and carried on thus burying their own there I understand [despite the government's establishment of an official cemetery further north].  The cemetery to the north, on higher ground, is the old "Castlereagh Cemetery" - which has quite a few First Fleeters in that.   All this "history" re McCarthy's seems totally unrecognised by the Catholic Church.  I tried to get the Bishop interested, but nup ... so it is not found at all in the "official" history of the Catholic church in Aus as best I'm aware. Later on a Wesleyan cemetery was established just a short distance west of the McCarthy cemetery, and at the place also said to have been the first Wesleyan place of worship (chapel) in the southern hemisphere.   But a graveyard started there too late for my Harriet, so she is in the old Castlereagh general/Anglican cemetery.   The history of the area may be found in a book named "Dharug and Dungaree", published by Penrith Council.  Also Penrith has the best Local Studies Library I have ever seen. Dungarees are convict clothes, or the cloth they were made of; Dharugs (now more often spelled as Darugs) were the old time or Aboriginal people of the Cumberland Plain.   Also at this spot "Upper Castlereagh", a former Catholic priest, now retired, Fr. Eugene Stockton, found _in situ_ at the base of the thick gravel layer a seemingly human-made artefact.   This find, since dated by thermoluminescence at ca. 40 Ka has been published on by Eugene and colleagues and once it hit the front page of the local newspaper with a headline something like "Did Man Begin at Penrith".  As Fr Stockton wrote, this appeared to predate all of _Homo sapiens_ (but not Neanderthals) in Europe, and was then the oldest find of mankind's trace in Eastern Australian (likely exceeded now by finds at Mungo Lake or other areas?).  So the Upper Castlereagh area is a VERY historic one, n'est ce pas? - and I am very fond of it. It also became "the largest sand and gravel quarry in Australia" - hence much of this history has unfortunately now vanished. Best Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:58:44 +1000 Subject:Re: [PJ] Harriet White - Castlereagh Hi Coral McCarthy's cemetery is now an island (so I am told). This happened in creating the water venues for the 2000 Olympic Games. The headstones in this Cemetery have been transcribed and published in History in Stone by J McD Jones. There are no entries for Anson, Hanson or White. cheers Grahame On 15/07/2013, at 1:01 PM, Coral Saunders wrote: > Hi John, Thanks for the information about McCarthy's farm. If I get a > chance, I'll check it out. I don't suppose our Harriets are the same > person - mine had quite a haul of stolen goods - literally 3 bags full. > The Old Bailey transcript makes interesting reading. Best of luck with your > Harriet. Cheers, Coral Saunders > > - ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Thanks for the information about McCarthy's farm. If I get a chance, I'll check it out. I don't suppose our Harriets are the same person - mine had quite a haul of stolen goods - literally 3 bags full. The Old Bailey transcript makes interesting reading. Best of luck with your Harriet. Cheers, Coral Saunders -----Original Message----- From: john.mail@ozemail.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 5:18 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Harriet White - Castlereagh Hello, She'd have been buried (unless Catholic - who buried their own at McCarthy's farm [named "Cranebrook"]) by the Reverend Henry Fulton. Most protestants there were so buried, pre 1838 anyway. Fulton himself was an "Irish Rebel" too. But he was such a refined man, with hands showing little sign of manual work, that the Sydney authorities considered it would have been highly unseemly to put such a gentlemen on the road gangs, or anywhere else like that. Instead, and as there was need of more Anglican chaplains, he was made the parson of Castlereagh and installed into a very fine and expensive government-funded parsonage there. I am still looking for any remains of his parsonage, and have already spent much time at that. Fulton himself is buried in the Castlereagh cemetery too, right in the rear back corner. Most of the Castlereagh church register does survive I understand (maybe a few pages are missing?) although I have never seen it myself. The original church itself burned down. Cheers, John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:55:20 +1000 Subject:Re: [PJ] Harriet White - Castlereagh Hi Coral It seems to me that you have not checked the original burial record for Harriet as looking at the record will probably solve where she was buried. As mentioned by others, she died well before civil registration started in 1856. Therefore the record available will be a church burial register. That means you should be able to identify which Church minister, and therefore which church parish, performed the burial. And its likely she would have been buried in the cemetery associated with that church and parish. The NSW BDM Index entry reads. V18225426 2B/1822 HANSON HARRIOT AGE 32 V1822103 155/1822 HANSON HARRIOT AGE 32 You can use the reference to check out the burial register copied onto microfilm which is part of the NSW Archives Kit. Or you can buy the "certificate" from NSW BDM Registry. You should look at both references. There being two references does not mean she was buried twice. Perhaps you might find it useful to read about the early church registers by going to http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm cheers Grahame On 14/07/2013, at 2:19 PM, Coral Saunders wrote: > Hi John, Thanks for your interest & your reply. The Aust Death Index lists Harriet White’s death place as Castlereagh which some descendants have read as Castlereagh Street, Sydney. As Harriet lived on a few different farms west of Sydney - around Parramatta, Windsor etc, I assumed the Death Index referred to the district rather than the street. I could be wrong & would be glad to be corrected if anyone knows better. > > Cheers, Coral Saunders > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Lesley & Grahame I was assuming the letters were some sort of generally used abbreviations. Initials seems to be the answer. Pete On 15 July 2013 09:33, Grahame Thom <grthom@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Pete > > The JRMW and MW are actual tattoos, and my guess is they are the initials of people, and to guess further JR stands for James Russell and MW is either his wife or girl friend. The alternative is that they relate to his parents. > > cheers > > Grahame

Hi Pete The JRMW and MW are actual tattoos, and my guess is they are the initials of people, and to guess further JR stands for James Russell and MW is either his wife or girl friend. The alternative is that they relate to his parents. cheers Grahame On 15/07/2013, at 9:20 AM, Peter O'Brien wrote: > Morning all > > My convict, James RUSSELL, arrived on Mary Ann (4) in 1835. > > On the indent, In the column Particular Marks & Scars it says:- > > "JRMW, man with flag and anchor in hands, inside lower right arm; > woman, MW inside lower left arm, scar back of fourth finger of left > hand" > > Is anyone able to help me out with the meaning for the acronyms? > > > Thanks > Pete > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter I would say that the first two initials JW stand for James Russell. I think that the MW was perhaps a lady friend as it is repeated on the left arm and is next to a drawing? of a woman. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 15/07/2013 9:20 AM, Peter O'Brien wrote: > Morning all > > My convict, James RUSSELL, arrived on Mary Ann (4) in 1835. > > On the indent, In the column Particular Marks & Scars it says:- > > "JRMW, man with flag and anchor in hands, inside lower right arm; > woman, MW inside lower left arm, scar back of fourth finger of left > hand" > > Is anyone able to help me out with the meaning for the acronyms? > > > Thanks > Pete

Morning all My convict, James RUSSELL, arrived on Mary Ann (4) in 1835. On the indent, In the column Particular Marks & Scars it says:- "JRMW, man with flag and anchor in hands, inside lower right arm; woman, MW inside lower left arm, scar back of fourth finger of left hand" Is anyone able to help me out with the meaning for the acronyms? Thanks Pete

 Hello ListersCould anyone who might have a copy of the 1802 and 1806 Muster please look for him. I am interested to know who he was assigned to his indent gives little away on him apart form the date of trial  He is not on Col Sec but listed 1814 when he was given this C/P, so between 1802-1835 when he died at Campbelltown, there is not much at all on his life after he arrived here, he would be listed on the 1828 Census as well but I am away from home doing a spot of grandma sitting so that will have to wait till I can get to a library. I do appreciate any help you can give me on my researchCheers Rhonda Email sent using Dodo Webmail