thankyou geoff very much for your help. glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Wood PCUG" <gwood@pcug.org.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] andrew and michael warren > Glen, > >>From the online NSW BDM it appears that they had five children, all >>baptised > as Catholics, > > hence the "V" registration numbers below. > > V18452105 62/1845 WARREN ANNE > > V18473954 64/1847 WARREN SARAH > > V1850262 67/1850 WARREN BRIDGET > > V1852736 69/1852 WARREN MARTIN > > V1854599 71/1854 WARREN MARY > > > > According to > > http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/church/burials/smcbr1855.html > > Andrew was buried at St Matthews RC Cemetery on 22 June 1856 aged 50 > years. > > > > After Andrew's death, its also possible Mary Anne remarried - see Marriage > BDM# > > NSW Marriage BDM#2761/1857 BOYD JOHN WARREN MARY ANN WINDSOR > > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "glen & joe" <glenjoe321@bigpond.com.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:44 AM > Subject: [PJ] andrew and michael warren > > >> hello, >> andrew and michael warren arr. sydney on convict ship asia8 in 1831as >> irish rebels. andrew married mary ann craig 1843 at parramatta. mary >> ann >> craig arr. sydney on convict ship sir charles forbes 1837 from ireland. >> they lived in the windsor, nsw area. andrew died 1856 in windsor. mary >> ann >> died 1899 in windsor. any information on them or brother michael or >> their >> families would be great. >> glen >> >> ---------------------- >> To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glen, >From the online NSW BDM it appears that they had five children, all baptised as Catholics, hence the "V" registration numbers below. V18452105 62/1845 WARREN ANNE V18473954 64/1847 WARREN SARAH V1850262 67/1850 WARREN BRIDGET V1852736 69/1852 WARREN MARTIN V1854599 71/1854 WARREN MARY According to http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/church/burials/smcbr1855.html Andrew was buried at St Matthews RC Cemetery on 22 June 1856 aged 50 years. After Andrew's death, its also possible Mary Anne remarried - see Marriage BDM# NSW Marriage BDM#2761/1857 BOYD JOHN WARREN MARY ANN WINDSOR Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "glen & joe" <glenjoe321@bigpond.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: [PJ] andrew and michael warren > hello, > andrew and michael warren arr. sydney on convict ship asia8 in 1831as > irish rebels. andrew married mary ann craig 1843 at parramatta. mary ann > craig arr. sydney on convict ship sir charles forbes 1837 from ireland. > they lived in the windsor, nsw area. andrew died 1856 in windsor. mary ann > died 1899 in windsor. any information on them or brother michael or their > families would be great. > glen > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello, andrew and michael warren arr. sydney on convict ship asia8 in 1831as irish rebels. andrew married mary ann craig 1843 at parramatta. mary ann craig arr. sydney on convict ship sir charles forbes 1837 from ireland. they lived in the windsor, nsw area. andrew died 1856 in windsor. mary ann died 1899 in windsor. any information on them or brother michael or their families would be great. glen

Liz is this below any help to you it is my line. Or I should say they married into my line. Laraine Patrick Hogan Arrival by ship Caroline. He & mother 40 & ygr bro John came to NSW on compassionate grounds (father Simon convict) left Cork 15/4/1833 arrived NSW 6/8/1833. Marriage RNV1853454 99/1853. Pioneer settler in Boorowa NSW. Grevilles Official Post Office Directory of New South Wales:BURROWA Page 87 Distance 222 miles South of Sydney: HOGAN Patrick farmer Sod-hole Flat Burrowa. 6 children, 5 girls and the youngest a boy. Either he or his father took up a grant of land at Frogmore near Boorowa as a sheep farmer. Death RN 3830 Burrowa in 1892 father Simon mother Mary. Burial BOOROWA CEMETERY.) Her mother: Johanna A. 'Julia' Spencer (Spence? B. Ballough? Tipperary. Arr NSW 11/3/1841 ex Plymouth 'Glenswilly' + family: Phillip 37, Mary Kinneally 36, Margaret 17, Mary 19, Johanna 15 'Nurse Maid' R&W, Bridget 9, Catherine 7. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Walker Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 6:22 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Subject: [PJ] James Hogan, b. 1842, son of Denis Hogan and Margaret Carey. Good evening, Is there anyone out there who connects back to the above James Hogan b. ca 1835 Sydney, eldest son of Denis Hogan (convict) and Margaret Carey. I am a descendant of James' brother John Hogan, b. 1842. Two other children, a boy Timothy and a girl Mary, both died as children. John married Frances Marjoram in 1866, at Forest Reefs, on the central tablelands near Blayney. Frances was my father's grandmother, and I have lovely letters she wrote to him, as a small boy. James married Mary Jackson in 1867 in Newcastle. I know most of John's and Frances' descendants, but not James' and Mary's. Liz Walker. N.S.W. ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good evening, Is there anyone out there who connects back to the above James Hogan b. ca 1835 Sydney, eldest son of Denis Hogan (convict) and Margaret Carey. I am a descendant of James' brother John Hogan, b. 1842. Two other children, a boy Timothy and a girl Mary, both died as children. John married Frances Marjoram in 1866, at Forest Reefs, on the central tablelands near Blayney. Frances was my father's grandmother, and I have lovely letters she wrote to him, as a small boy. James married Mary Jackson in 1867 in Newcastle. I know most of John's and Frances' descendants, but not James' and Mary's. Liz Walker. N.S.W.

Thanks Lesley. I thought l meant pounds, but that is a lot of money and a hanging offence I would have thought. . Her companion thief was transported for 14 years, but Elizabeth aged 16 received a 7 year sentence. I had previously found Elizabeth Hughes with Henry King ,TOL , self employed of the Royal Admiral ( 1806 muster and in 1811 , in my notes I have just noted her name , Elizabeth Hughes... A recent researcher who I asked to check the musters for her told me the 1800-1806 musters had been destroyed. So, thank Lesley I will now do as you suggest. I am trying to learn why Mary Foster Smith and her husband and son John Samuel Smith left money to an Elizabeth Page. Have wondered if she was a daughter of Elizabeth Hughes. Gloria

Hi John, I was interested in your comment regarding convicts ex British military being surplus to requirements of the British Army after defeating Napoleon's forces. Has anyone an idea of how many of these men were tried for military misdemeanours and transported out here. I have one in my family tree who was tried at Walcheren which I think is part of Holland then transported to NSW in 1811. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Foster > > >

Hi Gloria, I don't know what happened to Elizabeth Hughes. I note that in a couple of the musters I have checked that she was living with a variety of men - have you checked the death records for her under the names of say, King and Mansfield? I did find her also in the 1822 General Muster (as you stated) but it is odd that she is listed as just Mrs Foster. The Musters generally used the name under which they arrived. One of the purposes of the musters was to keep track of the convicts and that is why the name used on arrival was used. You have asked what 150 l is. The l was probably one pound as in l = pound s = shilling d = pence Although 150 pounds would have been a lot of money in those days Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 25/07/2013 12:26 PM, Gloria wrote: > I am new to this List. > > It was suggested I post a query about a couple of my convicts. They are > > 1. Samuel Foster convicted at Warwick 3rd April, 1789 and sentenced > to 7 years transportation, crime unknown. He was a baker and probably aged > 19. He arrived on the Admiral Barrington . His early history in Australia is > sketchy, but he did later become very affluent , had land grants and bought > 160 acres at Castlereagh, also bought about 40 acres of Jack Palmer's land, > which he renamed Fosterville. He seems to have been free to travel back and > forth to England as he imported goods and sold them from his premises in > O'Connel St in Sydney. He had permission to sell spirituous liquors, also. > Served on juries. > > On one returning voyage in 1807, on the 'Sydney Cove' a female transport > vessel owned by emancipists, he must have met, Ann Single . She is to > become the mother of his only child , Mary born in 1809. He is recorded as > being a Gentleman from Birmingham in the free passenger list for that > vessel. He died in 18919 in Birmingham, where he had returned with Ann > Single and his daughter Mary (known as Foster. Mary inherited most of his > estate, although he left Ann single comfortable and left her son John Single > a sum of money, and land.. John Single arrived in Australia on the Harriet > in 1817, a free settler. I think he built Nepean House. > > 2. Elizabeth Hughes was convicted at the Warwick Assizes of > stealing 150 l from Michael Green on 8. 8,1789 with 3 others (2 not > taken) She and her accomplice were sentenced to 7 years transportation . > She arrived on the' ' Mary Ann 'she was 16 years of age when sentenced. In > 1795 she married Samuel Foster at St Phillips in Sydney with the Gov's > permission. In April 1799 , Samuel Foster appears before the Bench accused > by Elizabeth of mistreating and assaulting her, she seeks a separation > Samuel is fined 50 pounds . > > In Samuel Foster's Will he leaves to his wife " Elizabeth, from who he > has been separated upward of 17 years because of her adultery, 100 pounds as > a dower. She is to receive nothing else. " .... > > I am interested to learn more about Elizabeth (Hughes) Foster. I have > located her in Liverpool in the 1822 muster . > > Did she remarry, id she have children after 1799 > > How much is 150 l , which is what she and the others stole, in bills.... > > Many thanks for taking the time to read this post. > > Gloria >

Hullo John Byrne. I cannot be certain of the whereabouts of the land. But Samuel bought it from James Morris in 1812 for 120 pounds This is mentioned online, if you google Pte James Morris 1759-1813. I have always believed that this land was given to John Single, but I have been unable to prove it... Other land Samuel had was Santley farm at Kingswood. Good luck. Gloria

  Hello Gloria, It's sometimes hard to wade through the seeming confusion.   For example I've been trying to find a property/station "Bungaroo" owned by a famous-enough man, Thomas Icely.  An old Gazetteer refers to it as Bungaroo station of Thomas Icely in the Wellington district.   I think I have  now found it, west of Canowindra.  Canowindra is nowhere near Wellington. Similarly with James Morris too. On 11 August 1804 James Morris was granted 160 acres at Mulgrave Place supposedly. But I doubt it.   His 160 acres was actually up the northern end of the Upper Castlereagh river flats. This later all became, in recent years, the "Biggest sand and gravel quarry in Australia". So there might be little or nil or his actual land there left now. He also had another block in the laid out township area of Castlereagh - between Tempest and Londonderry Streets and east of Fulton Street.   Sub-opposite there on the opposite side of Tempest Street was the land of my ancestory John Lees.    Lees got into financial difficulties and written across his land in red is "Claimed by Eliza Fulton" (probably a daughter of the local parson Henry Fulton (whose parsonage was also quite nearby). His land (Morris') was original grant.   Not land given to Single.   Most of the first settlers at Upper Castlereagh were convicts of men excess to the military after the British thought they had  Napoleon's forces defeated, I think.   Single by contrast was a well-to-do free settler and later grew quite wealthy from pastoral pursuits (probably across the other side of the Blue Mountains - where many of the Castlereagh folk got involved with). Single's land, or at least his eventual grand house, is on the western side of Castlereagh Road and towards the river.    The quarrying has spared that rather grand house, and also the Upper Castlereagh church/school/cemetery cluster  (but most of the poorer people's places are gone).  Therefore if he bought Morris' large block it is known where that is. You can find the Morris 160 acre block on the old maps of Castlereagh. The Morris's I think crossed the Blue Mountains and became well established, probably as a large landowner, in the Hartley Valley. Cheers,   John       ----- Original Message ----- From:aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:00:21 +1000 Subject:[PJ] Samuel Foster Hullo John Byrne. I cannot be certain of the whereabouts of the land. But Samuel bought it from James Morris in 1812 for 120 pounds This is mentioned online, if you google Pte James Morris 1759-1813. I have always believed that this land was given to John Single, but I have been unable to prove it... Other land Samuel had was Santley farm at Kingswood. Good luck. Gloria ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to this List. It was suggested I post a query about a couple of my convicts. They are 1. Samuel Foster convicted at Warwick 3rd April, 1789 and sentenced to 7 years transportation, crime unknown. He was a baker and probably aged 19. He arrived on the Admiral Barrington . His early history in Australia is sketchy, but he did later become very affluent , had land grants and bought 160 acres at Castlereagh, also bought about 40 acres of Jack Palmer's land, which he renamed Fosterville. He seems to have been free to travel back and forth to England as he imported goods and sold them from his premises in O'Connel St in Sydney. He had permission to sell spirituous liquors, also. Served on juries. On one returning voyage in 1807, on the 'Sydney Cove' a female transport vessel owned by emancipists, he must have met, Ann Single . She is to become the mother of his only child , Mary born in 1809. He is recorded as being a Gentleman from Birmingham in the free passenger list for that vessel. He died in 18919 in Birmingham, where he had returned with Ann Single and his daughter Mary (known as Foster. Mary inherited most of his estate, although he left Ann single comfortable and left her son John Single a sum of money, and land.. John Single arrived in Australia on the Harriet in 1817, a free settler. I think he built Nepean House. 2. Elizabeth Hughes was convicted at the Warwick Assizes of stealing 150 l from Michael Green on 8. 8,1789 with 3 others (2 not taken) She and her accomplice were sentenced to 7 years transportation . She arrived on the' ' Mary Ann 'she was 16 years of age when sentenced. In 1795 she married Samuel Foster at St Phillips in Sydney with the Gov's permission. In April 1799 , Samuel Foster appears before the Bench accused by Elizabeth of mistreating and assaulting her, she seeks a separation Samuel is fined 50 pounds . In Samuel Foster's Will he leaves to his wife " Elizabeth, from who he has been separated upward of 17 years because of her adultery, 100 pounds as a dower. She is to receive nothing else. " .... I am interested to learn more about Elizabeth (Hughes) Foster. I have located her in Liverpool in the 1822 muster . Did she remarry, id she have children after 1799 How much is 150 l , which is what she and the others stole, in bills.... Many thanks for taking the time to read this post. Gloria

  Hello Gloria, Do you mean 160 acres at the Castlereagh near Penrith? I collect any-and- all info on that Castlereagh and would be very pleased to know where his 160 acres were there. Kind Regards   John Byrnes Woodside History and Heritage Services PO Box 121, BURWOOD 1805   ~~~~~~~~~~~~   ----- Original Message ----- From:aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:26:25 +1000 Subject:[PJ] Elizabeth Hughes I am new to this List. It was suggested I post a query about a couple of my convicts. They are 1. Samuel Foster convicted at Warwick 3rd April, 1789 and sentenced to 7 years transportation, crime unknown. He was a baker and probably aged 19. He arrived on the Admiral Barrington . His early history in Australia is sketchy, but he did later become very affluent , had land grants and bought 160 acres at Castlereagh, also bought about 40 acres of Jack Palmer's land, which he renamed Fosterville. He seems to have been free to travel back and forth to England as he imported goods and sold them from his premises in O'Connel St in Sydney. He had permission to sell spirituous liquors, also. Served on juries. On one returning voyage in 1807, on the 'Sydney Cove' a female transport vessel owned by emancipists, he must have met, Ann Single . She is to become the mother of his only child , Mary born in 1809. He is recorded as being a Gentleman from Birmingham in the free passenger list for that vessel. He died in 18919 in Birmingham, where he had returned with Ann Single and his daughter Mary (known as Foster. Mary inherited most of his estate, although he left Ann single comfortable and left her son John Single a sum of money, and land.. John Single arrived in Australia on the Harriet in 1817, a free settler. I think he built Nepean House. 2. Elizabeth Hughes was convicted at the Warwick Assizes of stealing 150 l from Michael Green on 8. 8,1789 with 3 others (2 not taken) She and her accomplice were sentenced to 7 years transportation . She arrived on the' ' Mary Ann 'she was 16 years of age when sentenced. In 1795 she married Samuel Foster at St Phillips in Sydney with the Gov's permission. In April 1799 , Samuel Foster appears before the Bench accused by Elizabeth of mistreating and assaulting her, she seeks a separation Samuel is fined 50 pounds . In Samuel Foster's Will he leaves to his wife " Elizabeth, from who he has been separated upward of 17 years because of her adultery, 100 pounds as a dower. She is to receive nothing else. " .... I am interested to learn more about Elizabeth (Hughes) Foster. I have located her in Liverpool in the 1822 muster . Did she remarry, id she have children after 1799 How much is 150 l , which is what she and the others stole, in bills.... Many thanks for taking the time to read this post. Gloria ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Matt, As your original question was asking about books available about the 1st and 3rd fleets similar to the book published by Michael Flynn and the 2nd fleet my answer remains the same - there is only the book published by Gillan and the 1st fleet. Any other books about these first 3 fleets are in my opinion, not reliable at all and were, from memory, compiled from information submitted by others over 20 years ago. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 24/07/2013 10:52 AM, Matt Hall wrote: > Lesley - thank you as always. I'll try and pick up a copy. Abebooks starts > pretty high but I'll track one down eventually. I take it from a lack of > response on the list that a similar volume on the 'Third Fleet' has not > been published. > cheers, > matt

Hello Matt. I didn't reply earlier, expecting that others would answer you in more detail, but as you see they have not come forward to do so. My recommendation would be the entire series of books on Australian genealogy by Dr C. J. SMEE. It was within his publications that I first ever read of a concept of a 3rd fleet, many decades ago. I see that he has also published on what he calls the Fourth Fleet also. If this link works, it is a result of a google search for Smee Australia genealogy, and the results are from the Society of Australian Genealogists' library catalogue. Please note that there are 57 'hits' or 'results' there, so you will need to move on to later pages also. Many libraries with large genealogy holdings will hold a lot of his works, especially his earlier ones. I expect that you should also be able to obtain them on inter-library loan within Oz. Here is the link: http://catalogue.sag.org.au/resbyfield.jsp?term=Smee,+C.+J.&field=AUTHOR&displayFormat=BIBLIOGRAPHY HTH. Ray On 24/07/2013, at 10:52 AM, Matt Hall <cispt2@gmail.com> wrote: ... I take it from a lack of response on the list that a similar volume on the 'Third Fleet' has not been published. cheers, matt ----------------------

If you are looking for a book on an Australian topic, then try using NLA Trove Books. The Copyright Act requires every publisher of an Australian book etc to lodge a copy with the National Library of Australia who then catalogue the item. Their catalogue of books is part of Trove and you can limit your search to book titles. http://trove.nla.gov.au/book/result?q=%22third+fleet%22 This links to a brief description of the title and a list of libraries which hold the book. I see that the two most promising titles have the hallmarks of being self-published so it might be wise to seek them out at a library to weigh their value. > pretty high but I'll track one down eventually. I take it from a lack of > response on the list that a similar volume on the 'Third Fleet' has not > been published.

Lesley - thank you as always. I'll try and pick up a copy. Abebooks starts pretty high but I'll track one down eventually. I take it from a lack of response on the list that a similar volume on the 'Third Fleet' has not been published. cheers, matt

Hello Robyn, That's fine, about the Hogan line - my father /never/ spoke about his family at all, except that part of the family which had so many boys in it, that they could field a whole team for either cricket or football, and they were on his mother's side !!! On their own, "Elizabeth" is one of the most common names for girls (Biblical), as is Walker (trade name) for the surname. The name "Walker" came from the middle ages, when spinning and weaving wool was done by hand, and as the cloth was woven it was spread out on the fIoor and folk walked on the cloth to get it looking straight and even. There are a lot of "trade names" like walker, butcher, baker, etc.etc. My ex-husbands Walker family came from Aberdeen in Scotland, where the person my children descend from, was a boat builder. One of this man's sons came out here with the family of his new wife who died in childbirth, and he remarried into the Wallace family who had also come here from Scotland. I don't know any Dempseys, except that my cousin has a cousin on her late father's side I think, whose Christian name is/was Dempsey. happy hunting, Elizabeth, one of the many Elizabeth Walker women. On 22/07/2013 6:27 PM, Robyn Hogan wrote: > > > Hello Elizabeth > > Sorry, Hogan is my married name and I don't know anything about them, except for the fact that they came from Lockhardt/Milbrulong in the Riverina. > > It might be worth your while to look up http://austcemindex.com/inscriptions.php - you never know! > Meanwhile, are you any relation to Elizabeth Walker ex Glebe Point? Descended from the Dempseys? > > Robyn > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

  Hello Elizabeth Walker, There's three lots of Walkers I am interested in. I wonder if you might be related to any of them.   Some are/were very rich and/or very religious. 1)  James Walker who formed the "Wallerowong" property north of Lithgow. 2)  Walker the Wesleyan missionary who formed the "Blacks Town" (modern day Blacktown Shire is named after that place). 3)  The Walkers of Concord who built grand houses and a hospital there donated to the people of NSW (perhaps related in turn to "1" above). I believe they are in general a Scottish or from-Scotland lot?   My lot (father's side) are also from Scotland but maybe before then from the semi-murky "Doggerland"? Cheers,   John Byrnes (Strathfield NSW) ~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From:lizrose@tpg.com.au aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:09:08 +1000 Subject:Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 125 Hello Robyn, That's fine, about the Hogan line - my father /never/ spoke about his family at all, except that part of the family which had so many boys in it, that they could field a whole team for either cricket or football, and they were on his mother's side !!! On their own, "Elizabeth" is one of the most common names for girls (Biblical), as is Walker (trade name) for the surname. The name "Walker" came from the middle ages, when spinning and weaving wool was done by hand, and as the cloth was woven it was spread out on the fIoor and folk walked on the cloth to get it looking straight and even. There are a lot of "trade names" like walker, butcher, baker, etc.etc. My ex-husbands Walker family came from Aberdeen in Scotland, where the person my children descend from, was a boat builder. One of this man's sons came out here with the family of his new wife who died in childbirth, and he remarried into the Wallace family who had also come here from Scotland. I don't know any Dempseys, except that my cousin has a cousin on her late father's side I think, whose Christian name is/was Dempsey. happy hunting, Elizabeth, one of the many Elizabeth Walker women. On 22/07/2013 6:27 PM, Robyn Hogan wrote: > > > Hello Elizabeth > > Sorry, Hogan is my married name and I don't know anything about them, except for the fact that they came from Lockhardt/Milbrulong in the Riverina. > > It might be worth your while to look up http://austcemindex.com/inscriptions.php - you never know! > Meanwhile, are you any relation to Elizabeth Walker ex Glebe Point? Descended from the Dempseys? > > Robyn > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Matt You may wish to try The Founders of Australia: a biographical dictionary of the First Fleet by Mollie Gillan published in 1989. It states that it is a definitve reference regarding those who sailed on the First Fleet and contains a biographical entry for every person. As it was published some 24 years ago it may be a little out of date as further information has probably come to light since then. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 23/07/2013 3:29 AM, Matthew Hall wrote: > Is there a book with biographies of members of the First or Third Fleet, similar to that by Michael Flynn on the Second Fleet? > Thanks, > Matt > > Sent from my iPhone

Hello Elizabeth Sorry, Hogan is my married name and I don't know anything about them, except for the fact that they came from Lockhardt/Milbrulong in the Riverina. It might be worth your while to look up http://austcemindex.com/inscriptions.php - you never know! Meanwhile, are you any relation to Elizabeth Walker ex Glebe Point? Descended from the Dempseys? Robyn