Hi Geoff, You could try TROVE - the National Library's newspaper website. It gives two accounts of a Samuel Collins in 1871 and 1872 being sent to gaol - one for assaulting a constable. Perhaps that is why he was in gaol. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <collins.g@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins > Hi again > > Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in > circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I > appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths > to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all > pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have > proven fruitless. > As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any > sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the > Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes > his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as > a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I > find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are > there other areas I should be looking at?. > Regards > > Geoff Collins > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

________________________________ From: Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2013 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] William Allen Hi again Judy, William Allen was not a convict to PJ - he arrived as an assisted immigrant on the Castilian in 1858. This Rootsweb list may be a better choice for you AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS Mailing List Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 8/08/2013 11:25 AM, Judy wrote: > Hello Lesley and Warren, > Many thanks for your replies. Sorry, this was my careless mistake- William > Allen arrived Australia 1852 "Castilian". He was listed in the NSW Gaol > Description and Entrance Books,1818-1930 in 1872 at Goulburn. > Cheers Judy > > > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to  AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandra, I have just found the property after searching through the Historical Parish Maps on the Lands Dept website. It was actually at Dural, on the corner of Old Northern Road and Galston Road - 100 acres, and adjoining the property of William Hobbs. The owner is noted as Timothy Diggins, and from info in the Col. Sec. Correspondence, it appears that he was the son of an old soldier - so now need to look elsewhere. I haven't yet found whether there is a connection to the Ann Diggins of the Experiment, 1804 Thanks for your help. Kind regards, Warren -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Sangster <sandsang@hotmail.com> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 9:34 Subject: [PJ] Hobbs Castle Hill Warren - the Hills District Historical Society may be able to help. thehdhs@gmail.com Sandra S > I am seeking information on the location of a property at Castle Hill > which was granted to William Hobbs in 1831. The description of the > grant (per Trove) indicates it adjoined a property owned by a Mr > Diggins. I would like to determine where that property was located, and > also determine whether Mr Diggins may have been related to the Ann > Diggins, convict of the Experiment 1804. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Judy Convict transportation to anywhere in Australia was over by 1872. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 7/08/2013 5:55 PM, Judy wrote: > Hello > Can anyone please supply details of William Allen, 38yrs, (i.e.) born c 1834, R.C., Limerick, who arrived Australia on the "Castilian" in 1872? > I would be most appreciative of any help. > Regards Judy >

Hello Can anyone please supply details of William Allen, 38yrs, (i.e.) born c 1834, R.C., Limerick, who arrived Australia on the "Castilian" in 1872? I would be most appreciative of any help. Regards Judy

Thank you all so very much for all the response and welcome suggestions. I know this is not a unique event for all who enjoy this addictive pastime, but I have followed up many of your suggestions which has raised other Samuel Collins’ I was not aware of. For brevity I was aware of the following voyages to Van Diemans Land- Marion (with 2 on board), John Calvin and the Siren and I have found that there is another Samuel who left there in 1850 after arriving in the “Waverley” ( no record of him ever being on board). For voyages to Port Jackson, I know of the “Norfolk” and “Marquis of Huntley” and I am aware from a previous response from Lesley that the Samuel on the “Marquis” died a few years after arrival and there is a voyage to Newcastle of the “Neptune” in 1853 which also carried a Samuel Collins. When I revisited the Gaol records which started this thread, I have also found yet another Samuel Collins who also entered the gaol in March 1866, was a Jew but was 50 years old and arrived on the “William”- unfortunately I cannot find a Samuel on the “Castle Forbes”. Sorry to impose this on the forum but all suggestions will be greatly accepted and I will seek assistance from the Library of Tasmania for the fate etc. of the VDL names- thank you all Regards Geoff Collins

All, The following records exids on the Convict records site: Samuel Collins, one of 180 convicts transported on the Norfolk, 15 April 1825 Middlesex Gaol Delivery Samuel Collins, one of 200 convicts transported on the Marquis of Huntley, 10 May 1826 Middlesex Gaol Delivery on 27 Occtober 1825 Sentence Life Samuel Collins, one of 300 convicts transported on the Marion, 22 November 1843 Suffolk Assizes Samuel Collins, one of 300 convicts transported on the Marion, 22 November 1843 Salop Assizes Samuel Collins, one of 200 convicts transported on the John Calvin, 09 May 1846 Devon. Exeter Quarter Sessions Cheers Ray On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:49 AM, <rockrat@eircom.net> wrote: > Right ho - just a thought as there are 5 Samuels Collins all arriving on > different ships. > We have wonderful weather up to 23C every day. The garden is really going > nuts. > Nadine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lesley Uebel > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:29 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Collins "Mangles" > > Hi Nadine > > I have not checked the records of those sent to VDL although Geoff > probably has > > > Regards > > Lesley > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > > email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > On 6/08/2013 7:05 PM, rockrat@eircom.net wrote: > > Morning Lesley > > There was a Samuel Collins from Exeter QS Devon could this be his > rellie? > > Sentence term: 14 years > > Ship: John Calvin > > Departure date: 9th May, 1846 > > Arrival date*: 9th January, 1847 > > Place of arrival Van Diemen's Land and Norfolk Island > > > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Barb, Here are the references to the State Records files for your James' transportation to Norfolk Island: Carter (see Penticost), James on 26/12/1829 FromSydney Hulk Carter (see Penticost), James on 06/02/1830 FromSydney Surname Alias: Penticost (see Carter) Given Name(s): James Ship of arrival to the Colony: Victoria Date of second transportation: 26/12/1829 Transported from: Sydney Hulk Transported to: Norfolk sland Page: 275 Location: 4/3596. Reel No. 1062 Surname Alias: Penticost (see Carter) Given Name(s): James Ship of arrival to the Colony: Victoria Ship of second transportation: Amity Date of second transportation: 06/02/1830 Transported from: Sydney Transported to: Norfolk Island Page: 301 Location: 4/3596. Reel No. 1062 Remarks including Trials, Offences, Trade, Transfers: In pursuance of sentence This information has come from a CD "Index to Colonial Convict Movements 1827 to 1853" put out by the GSV 's Descendants of Convicts Group in 2003. You will need to get any further details from State Records. Kind regards Pam An Aussie transported to Rotorua, NZ At 11:37 a.m. 7-08-2013 +1000, Barbara Corrigan wrote: >I seem to have lost a convict record and cannot recall where I originally >found it regarding my twice great grandfather James Carter. Not long after >his arrival in 1829 he absconded from a work gang at Parramatta and was sent >to Norfolk Island for a period of three years. Can anyone tell me where I >can again find details about his journey from NSW to Norfolk Island and >return. I do recall he used an alias of Pentecost on at least one leg of >the outward or return trip and I hope to prove this was his mother's maiden >name.

Hi Pam, Thanks for that information. I knew I had to go to State records as I did before but I was blowed if I could remember just what I had and how to get it before that step. Thanks again, Barbara.

Hello all, I seem to have lost a convict record and cannot recall where I originally found it regarding my twice great grandfather James Carter. Not long after his arrival in 1829 he absconded from a work gang at Parramatta and was sent to Norfolk Island for a period of three years. Can anyone tell me where I can again find details about his journey from NSW to Norfolk Island and return. I do recall he used an alias of Pentecost on at least one leg of the outward or return trip and I hope to prove this was his mother's maiden name. Many thanks, Barbara.

Hi Barbara, If your Corrigan is on the same side of your family as James Carter, and if they were connected to the coachmen Corrigans, I am wondering whether you may have a connection to the John Allen alias Cole/Penticost who arrived on the Hercules in 1832, tried Kent? Were your Carter's in the Sutton Forest area? Kind regards, Warren Diggins -----Original Message----- From: Pam Dowling <genie22@orcon.net.nz> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:39 Subject: Re: [PJ] James Carter (c1804-1858) convict per "Vittoria"1829

Hi Listers, I am seeking information on the location of a property at Castle Hill which was granted to William Hobbs in 1831. The description of the grant (per Trove) indicates it adjoined a property owned by a Mr Diggins. I would like to determine where that property was located, and also determine whether Mr Diggins may have been related to the Ann Diggins, convict of the Experiment 1804. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Warren Diggins

Hi Nadine I have not checked the records of those sent to VDL although Geoff probably has Regards Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 6/08/2013 7:05 PM, rockrat@eircom.net wrote: > Morning Lesley > There was a Samuel Collins from Exeter QS Devon could this be his rellie? > Sentence term: 14 years > Ship: John Calvin > Departure date: 9th May, 1846 > Arrival date*: 9th January, 1847 > Place of arrival Van Diemen's Land and Norfolk Island > >

Hi Lesley Thanks one again for your input- I again revisited the site I found it and, yes, it does state what I outlined but it does give so many doubts as to why information, which we are unfortunately forced to accept, can be so wrong. The fact that this entry stated that he was a Jew really fitted into family folklore which has always said that there is a Jewish relationship in the family history. I actually was privileged to have Rabbi John Levi, who wrote "These are the names" look at this Samuel which was a surprise to him as he believes that he was able to list all people arriving in Australia, from their possible Jewry, and although there is a documented Samuel Collins , and his brother Abraham, winning a court case against a landlord, he is unable to assist further but believed that there would be a Ticket of Leave for him or an entry in the Archives shipping lists- unfortunately these have proven no assistance at all. Thanks again, there must be some answer to the riddle out there as if the Jewish faith does form part of my heritage, it did not go past my "beloved" Samuel. Regards Geoff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Uebel Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Collins "Mangles" Hi Geoff There was no Samuel Collins on the Mangles (6) arriving in 1833. There was a Samuel Coombes and a James Collins both of whom stated that they were protestants. Regasrds Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 6/08/2013 6:16 PM, collins.g@bigpond.com wrote: > Thanks Pm > > I am weeding through them , have found many references to the 19/4/1833 > voyage but I am still trying to locate a convict list. > > Regards > > Geoff Collins > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff There was no Samuel Collins on the Mangles (6) arriving in 1833. There was a Samuel Coombes and a James Collins both of whom stated that they were protestants. Regasrds Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 6/08/2013 6:16 PM, collins.g@bigpond.com wrote: > Thanks Pm > > I am weeding through them , have found many references to the 19/4/1833 > voyage but I am still trying to locate a convict list. > > Regards > > Geoff Collins > >

Thanks Pm I am weeding through them , have found many references to the 19/4/1833 voyage but I am still trying to locate a convict list. Regards Geoff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Pam Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:33 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins "Mangles" Perhaps 1832 was a mis-reading of 1833. I have seen MANGLES arriving in NSW 19.4.1833 on a list of "events" on a history website. Sorry, can't remember which website. Good luck with it! Pam Harvey ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Betty I will try and locate Geoff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Betty Candy Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:32 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Collins Macquarie Uni has a site about trials. Regards Betty Candy -----Original Message----- From: collins.g@bigpond.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi again Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have proven fruitless. As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are there other areas I should be looking at?. Regards Geoff Collins ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Coral These vessels were advised to me sometime ago by Lesley although the Castle Forbes does not ring any bells, I will investigate this further- thanks forum for your assistance and interest Regards Geoff Collins -----Original Message----- From: Coral Saunders Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 2:05 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi Geoff, This may not be any help, as the records for the Mangles seem to be incomplete. But there are several convicts named Samuel Collins on other ships. Some of them went to Van Diemen's Land. There is the Norfolk (1825), the Marquis (1826), the Marion 1843, John Calvin (1846) & the Castle Forbes (unsure of the year). Cheers, Coral Saunders -----Original Message----- From: collins.g@bigpond.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi again Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have proven fruitless. As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are there other areas I should be looking at?. Regards Geoff Collins ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Right ho - just a thought as there are 5 Samuels Collins all arriving on different ships. We have wonderful weather up to 23C every day. The garden is really going nuts. Nadine -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Uebel Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 11:29 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Samuel Collins "Mangles" Hi Nadine I have not checked the records of those sent to VDL although Geoff probably has Regards Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: ckennedy@bigpond.net.au On 6/08/2013 7:05 PM, rockrat@eircom.net wrote: > Morning Lesley > There was a Samuel Collins from Exeter QS Devon could this be his rellie? > Sentence term: 14 years > Ship: John Calvin > Departure date: 9th May, 1846 > Arrival date*: 9th January, 1847 > Place of arrival Van Diemen's Land and Norfolk Island > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff, This may not be any help, as the records for the Mangles seem to be incomplete. But there are several convicts named Samuel Collins on other ships. Some of them went to Van Diemen's Land. There is the Norfolk (1825), the Marquis (1826), the Marion 1843, John Calvin (1846) & the Castle Forbes (unsure of the year). Cheers, Coral Saunders -----Original Message----- From: collins.g@bigpond.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Samuel Collins Hi again Sorry to again seek the assistance of this forum but after going around in circles for almost 2 years with this same ancestor, I am afraid that I appear to have run out of answers. I have pursued numerous possible paths to find out the history of my great great grandfather and they have all pointed to him being a convict although all of the documented ones have proven fruitless. As another lead has just emerged, I would like to know if there are any sources to confirm information I have is that a Samuel Collins is on the Goal Description and Entrance Books for 1874 for Darlinghurst which notes his age as 58, his arrival on the “Mangles”in 1832 (?) and his religion as a Jew. I cannot find any voyage for the Mangles in that year nor can I find out any release or possible trial / crime he may have committed – are there other areas I should be looking at?. Regards Geoff Collins ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message