Hi Jan I found that information on the State Records of NSW web site under the heading Criminal Court records, 1788-1833 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html Hi Lesley How do I find the index to this type of information? William Wilson Stealing copper coin and cotton 10 Sep 1802 Reel 2392 2703 [5/1145] 191 see also Reel 2651, [5/1149 p.103] William Wilson Stealing copper coin and cotton 10 Sep 1802 Reel 2651 2700 [5/1149] 107 Thank you Jan

Hi Lesley How do I find the index to this type of information? William Wilson Stealing copper coin and cotton 10 Sep 1802 Reel 2392 2703 [5/1145] 191 see also Reel 2651, [5/1149 p.103] William Wilson Stealing copper coin and cotton 10 Sep 1802 Reel 2651 2700 [5/1149] 107 Thank you Jan

Hi Dianne That would be her. Thanks for the info about Lawrence Turtle. I'll look into it. Cheers and thanks Janine. I have been researching the family of John Bradshaw from the Whitelands townland of southern Tipperary with a daughter named Catherine who came to NSW in 1849 with the rest of family using a free passage. During this searching I came across another Catherine Bradshaw listed online @Ancestry.com in the Australian Convict Index (Reakes) age 25 year 1839 Birth Place: Tipperary county State:NSW Status:M.1m Ship: Minerva 6 Occupation: Dairymaid. She may be your Catherine? As I too live at a distance from just about everywhere - Lawrence Turtle (Turtle Consolisated Services http://home.iprimus.com.au/turtle) will do lookups @ NSW State Archives ( Kingswood ) at a fair price. Good searching Di --- On Sun, 28/12/08, janine h <jhinton@westnet.com.au> wrote: From: janine h <jhinton@westnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Catherine Bradshaw To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 9:50 PM Hi Lesley, Where would I find this type of information please? Janine -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2008 4:57 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Hi Janine Basically it means that she was still a convict, was not in receipt yet of a Ticket of Leave.... nor of a pardon of any description and had not yet served her sentence. I don't know if she was living at the Female Factory or had been assigned to someone at that stage Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:47 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Wonderful, she's the 5th Convict I've found in my mother's line. In the information it says her status is 'Bond'. Will you explain what this means please? Janine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 12/27/2008 8:49 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 12/28/2008 2:23 PM

Hi Clare That time frame is difficult William Wilson (free per Reliance) is listed in the 'Musters and Lists NSW and Norfolk Island 1800 - 180'2 in the 1801 section when he was free. The next Muster available is the 'Musters of NSW and NI 1805 - 1806' and he is listed as being conditionally pardoned. He is not listed in the NI section taken as at February 1805. Have you ever been able to get someone to check the reels for you at the State Records? William Wilson Stealing copper coin and cotton 10 Sep 1802 Reel 2392 2703 [5/1145] 191 see also Reel 2651, [5/1149 p.103] William Wilson Stealing copper coin and cotton 10 Sep 1802 Reel 2651 2700 [5/1149] 107 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Clare Stapleton Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:51 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] WILSON Colonial Conviction and Transportation to where? On 10 September 1802 a free man William Wilson  was sentenced in Sydney for stealing 39s.  He got 14 years transportation. He reappeard in Sydney in 1805.  This is a bit of a brick wall at the moment. I would really appreciate any suggestions on the records and where to look for our Bill!  He must be somewhere for those three years. Clare Stapleton Madison, Wisconsin: Morris, New York: Sydney, Australia: Kew, England Researching FRAZER, MORGAN, WILSON, MEREDITH, PRIOR, COLLS, VAUGHN, MYERS, SOLOMON,

Hello List , sorry I wasn't able to wish you the compliments of the season prior to Christmas as my PC was on the fritz. It is good to see so many of you yet again survived the silly season. Happy New Year Max Bancroft -------Original Message------- From: janine h Date: 12/29/08 01:13:39 To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Catherine Bradshaw Hi Leslie, Your help on this mailing list is very much appreciated by all of us. Your advice is invaluable to those of us who are new. Thank you for your guidance and pointing me in the right direction. I'll follow up those leads you've given and hopefully pull a few more bricks down. Happy new year. Cheers Janine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .

I have James DINGLE, sentenced to Norkfolk Island in 1830. He managed to escape in May 1833. Does anyone have a source that might help me know whether or not the found him, and what happened afterwards? Rosalee -in Newcastle, where its raining !

By this stage ie 1830 Properly Ironed is likely to mean he was wearing broad leg-irons ones with an approximately 5 cms cuff made of flat iron not the standard round leg irons which could be made oval and slipped off. There were instructions 1829-30 (published in HRA) about convicts in heavy iron gangs having to wear the broad cuffed leg-irons to prevent escape and there was correspondence later about some still not wearing the proper leg irons. Regards Elizabeth Roberts >From the CD "Index of Colonial Convict Movements 1827 to 1853" produced by the Descendents of Convicts Group, Thomas DUCKWORTH arrived in the Colony on the Eliza 4 and was later transported to Norfolk Island on the Lucy Anne on 03/05/1830. Under "Remarks" is the Statement "Properly Ironed".

Hi Janine Could the clerk have thought the informant said Harreur, son? The informants were sometimes less than helpful in the way they presented information. Good luck Tricia On 28/12/2008, at 11:27 AM, Steve Gall wrote: > Hi Lesley, > > > > I hope you had a great Christmas. :-) > > Before Christmas it was suggested to me to get both baptism records - > which > I have done. But they do not give me any further info than I had. :-( > > I will try to get to the State Library and look at the originals, > hopefully > as you suggest, it may show the dates have been confused. > > Although I find it difficult to understand how Harrison could be > accidently > written as Harreur - no matter how poor the literacy of the Clerk. > > > > Regards Janine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Hello Janine,     I have been researching the family of John Bradshaw from the Whitelands townland of southern Tipperary with  a daughter named Catherine who came to NSW in 1849 with the rest of family using a free passage.   During this searching I came across another Catherine Bradshaw listed online @Ancestry.com in the Australian Convict Index (Reakes)   age 25  year 1839  Birth Place: Tipperary county  State:NSW  Status:M.1m  Ship:  Minerva 6  Occupation: Dairymaid.  She may be your Catherine?   As I too live at a distance from just about everywhere - Lawrence Turtle  (Turtle Consolisated Services http://home.iprimus.com.au/turtle)  will do lookups @ NSW State Archives ( Kingswood ) at a fair price.   Good searching     Di --- On Sun, 28/12/08, janine h <jhinton@westnet.com.au> wrote: From: janine h <jhinton@westnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Catherine Bradshaw To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 9:50 PM Hi Lesley, Where would I find this type of information please? Janine -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2008 4:57 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Hi Janine Basically it means that she was still a convict, was not in receipt yet of a Ticket of Leave.... nor of a pardon of any description and had not yet served her sentence. I don't know if she was living at the Female Factory or had been assigned to someone at that stage Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:47 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Wonderful, she's the 5th Convict I've found in my mother's line. In the information it says her status is 'Bond'. Will you explain what this means please? Janine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 12/27/2008 8:49 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leslie, Your help on this mailing list is very much appreciated by all of us. Your advice is invaluable to those of us who are new. Thank you for your guidance and pointing me in the right direction. I'll follow up those leads you've given and hopefully pull a few more bricks down. Happy new year. Cheers Janine

Hi Janine You would have to check the: Female Factory Index--Parramatta 1826--1848 or perhaps the post 1825 Colonial Sec. Index by Joan Reese. I think that Catherine did not obtain either a TOL or a Certificate of Freedom as many females didn't' bother. I realise that you are living in a very isolated place and that is the reason why I provided you with the info about Edward as I had transcribed it some time ago...... but I do not have at home either of the above two Indices. There was a time when I would pop up to my library many times a week to check these for listers but my time is no longer my own and I can no longer do that. Have you thought to approach the Halls Creek Library and ask if they would purchase various books, microfiche/microfilm or CDs about convicts ? If it makes you feel any better not all of us have easy access to everything... even those of us who live in Sydney. I guess you could use the "ask a Librarian" service - say - at the State Library of NSW. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:51 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Catherine Bradshaw Hi Lesley, Where would I find this type of information please? Janine

Hi Lesley, Where would I find this type of information please? Janine -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2008 4:57 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Hi Janine Basically it means that she was still a convict, was not in receipt yet of a Ticket of Leave.... nor of a pardon of any description and had not yet served her sentence. I don't know if she was living at the Female Factory or had been assigned to someone at that stage Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:47 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Wonderful, she's the 5th Convict I've found in my mother's line. In the information it says her status is 'Bond'. Will you explain what this means please? Janine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 12/27/2008 8:49 PM

Much appreciate Lesley, thanks. Janine

Hi Pat I cannot remember if you tried emailing that person who has claimed him on my web site. Some people claim convicts and know nothing about the convicts they claim, whilst others have a great deal of information to share - Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pat Pitts Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:53 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] JOHN HAWKES Lesley Thanks for your response. I have his TOL but I will take your advice and try and get his Certificate of Freedom - see if that gives any other information. The TOL tells us nothing new. Thanks Pat Pat Mott Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, DINES, MARSH On 28/12/2008, at 12:49 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote:

Hi again I have transcribed all of the details of the convicts who arrived on that transport and it includes all permissions to marry, deaths etc etc but it is not something I send gratis. I have provided you with all the details regarding Edward Ivill from that CD. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:17 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Thank you very much for the information Lesley, you're a legend ! Would you happen to have the passenger list for the Sarah? Cheers Janine.

Hi Janine Basically it means that she was still a convict, was not in receipt yet of a Ticket of Leave.... nor of a pardon of any description and had not yet served her sentence. I don't know if she was living at the Female Factory or had been assigned to someone at that stage Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:47 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Wonderful, she's the 5th Convict I've found in my mother's line. In the information it says her status is 'Bond'. Will you explain what this means please? Janine

Hi Janine Yes, she was:) The information I sent before stated Other party . Bradshaw, Catherine Her stated age . 27 Ship / Transport . Minerva II (2) Her sentence, if applicable . 7 Her status . Bond The Minerva II (2) arrived in 1839 regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:19 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Hi again, Was Catherine Bradshaw a Convict as well?? Janine

Hi Janine There is no charge - I transcribed all of the details of the transport "Sarah" a while ago. Although I cannot find any evidence of his receiving a Certificate of Freedom, he may still have obtained one and the details *may* be included on his TOL Number 39/429 Name . Ivill, Edward (Ivell) Age . 20 Education . Reads & writes Religion . Protestant Marital Status . Single Children . - Native Place . Manchester Trade or Calling . Warehouseman & Porter Crime . Robbing person Where tried . Manchester Date tried . 19 January 1829 Sentence . 14 Former Convictions . 2 Height . 5' 6" Complexion . Ruddy, fair & freckled Hair colour . Light brown Eye colour . Hazel To whom assigned . William Hutchinson, Sydney Physical characteristics . Large mark of mermaid on right arm and small scar over right eye Any other comments noted . - Certificate of Freedom . None noted COF - date issued . - Ticket of Leave No. . 36/653 & 39/429 Permission to Marry Application . His stated age . 32 His status when applied . TOL Other party . Bradshaw, Catherine Her stated age . 27 Ship / Transport . Minerva II (2) Her sentence, if applicable . 7 Her status . Bond Year applied . 1841 Clergy applied through . Smith, Rev. Edward District . Queanbeyan Marriage. BDM Reference . V1842301 26C/1842 regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of janine h Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:44 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Ivill Hi Lesley Thanks for the info. I've just recently found out that Edward Ivill was a convict from the Monaro Pioneers website. All I have is that he arrived in NSW on 7 Dec 1829 on board the Sarah. I have no other info, and no, not the indent either. I'm quite happy to pay for the information especially since it is impossible for me to get from here. Cheers and thanks. Janine

Lesley Thanks for your response. I have his TOL but I will take your advice and try and get his Certificate of Freedom - see if that gives any other information. The TOL tells us nothing new. Thanks Pat Pat Mott Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, DINES, MARSH On 28/12/2008, at 12:49 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi Pat > > John Hawkes received his Certificate of Freedom in 1844 - not his > Ticket of > Leave. He received his TOL in 1843. > It may be worth obtaining the butts of both documents. > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pat > Pitts > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:09 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] JOHN HAWKES > > > Hi Listers > > I hope everyone had an enjoyable christmas and wish everyone a very > happy new year. > > I am trying to work out what happened to my convict John Hawkes from > the time he arrived in Australia on the Earl Grey 2 in 1838 till the > time he wed Mary Ann Davis on 28 feb 1852 in the Parish of Kilmore & > Seymour. I know he received his TOL in 1844 (thanks Lesley). They > family moved to Gundaroo (now ACT) sometime in the mid 1850s as their > last none child Thomas was born there. John was a Shepherd and prior > to being sent to Australia was a Spur Plater in Walsall, Stratford. > The Gundaroo site does not have him listed on the convict list - > obviously because he was not a convict at the time the family was > living there. I also cannot trace the family after son William (Born > 1858 Gundaroo) died and was buried July 1860 at Gundaroo. The only > information I have on the family is when youngest son Thomas was > married in Roma Queensland. He married an Emily Wright who was born > at Duck Creek Cannoubar NSW. > > I note that there is an Index of Colonial Convict Movements 1827 to > 1853 but this is only available in the NSW Library and I live in a > remote area of central victoria. Can anyone have a look at any CD'S > or information they may have on convict movements, work records. > > Any help or assistance would be most appreciated. > > Thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 10 September 1802 a free man William Wilson  was sentenced in Sydney for stealing 39s.  He got 14 years transportation. He reappeard in Sydney in 1805.  This is a bit of a brick wall at the moment. I would really appreciate any suggestions on the records and where to look for our Bill!  He must be somewhere for those three years. Clare Stapleton Madison, Wisconsin: Morris, New York: Sydney, Australia: Kew, England Researching FRAZER, MORGAN, WILSON, MEREDITH, PRIOR, COLLS, VAUGHN, MYERS, SOLOMON,