Hi Karen He actually arrived as Patrick Lawless...... and on checking the Indent is states in small writing 'or John'. He was tried in Dublin in 1831 and not Meath although Meath is noted as his native place. If you check the NSW State Records web site you will note that he did not receive his Certificate of Freedom until 1841 - a few years after due. He didn't receive a Ticket of Leave whilst serving his original sentence although he did receive one in 1859!! and that being the case may have committed a crime after 1841 when he was free. Now, on checking the State Records of NSW further - in particular the Index to Deposition Registers Index it appears as though he, his wife and son may have committed a few colonial crimes such as assault, larceny and arson whilst living in or near Queanbeyan in the 1870's..... unless there was another family with the same names. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:23 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] CORRECTION: Should be "John FRANCIS Lawless" not John Patrick Hi again Listers Yesterday I asked for info about John Patrick Lawless..when it should be "JOHN FRANCIS LAWLESS", my apologies I was getting him confused with another relation. John Francis Lawless per "Bussorah Merchant" married Sophia Thompson in 1848. Sophia's father is "William Thompson" also a convict, he married Sophia Chipp. Unfortunately this is all the info I have on him. Sophia Chipp's father was "Thomas Chipp" a First Fleet Marine and her grandmother was "Jane Langley" per Lady Penrhyn in the First Fleet. Any information about any of the above-mentioned would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards & Happy New Year to All Karen

Hi again Listers Yesterday I asked for info about John Patrick Lawless..when it should be "JOHN FRANCIS LAWLESS", my apologies I was getting him confused with another relation. John Francis Lawless per "Bussorah Merchant" married Sophia Thompson in 1848. Sophia's father is "William Thompson" also a convict, he married Sophia Chipp. Unfortunately this is all the info I have on him. Sophia Chipp's father was "Thomas Chipp" a First Fleet Marine and her grandmother was "Jane Langley" per Lady Penrhyn in the First Fleet. Any information about any of the above-mentioned would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards & Happy New Year to All Karen

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Hi Listers, I am looking for information concerning John Patrick Lawless; William Thompson & Jane Langley. I have recently come upon their names via the Monaro pioneers site. John Patrick Lawless per "Bussorah Merchant" married Sophia Thompson in 1848. Sophia's father is "William Thompson" also a convict, he married Sophia Chipp. Unfortunately this is all the info I have on him. Sophia Chipp's father was "William Chipp" a First Fleet Marine and her grandmother was "Jane Langley" per Lady Penrhyn in the First Fleet. Any information about any of the above-mentioned would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards & Happy New Year to All Karen

Hi Margaret, I have been doing some family history research for my son-in-law Thomas Hayward and Sarah Ada Haywood (Ada Hayward) and Charles Newman Child are in his line. This morning is a little busy for me but I will go through my files this afternoon and see what I can come up with. Bear with me for a while and I'm sure I can help you. Ron Norton Canberra. Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Stantiall" <steinthall@xtra.co.nz> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: [PJ] Ancestor Michael ?

Hello List. I am new to your list and hope some kind person will be able to sort my problem out. My Australian in-laws were early arrivals , at least the male was , I only know his first name was Michael, he arrived in NSW , and later married a convict lady with a child, according to research by a descendant of theirs. I cannot find the research that was made , I suspect it was lent to a NZ relation and Lost . I do know and have proof that my husband's grandmother , Sarah Ada Haywood born in NSW , died , 1891 , was the widow of Charles Newman Child when she remarried, on Woodford Island ( Clarence River) where my mother-in - law was born , she was Emma Eliza Child, one of six or more children of Ada's as she was known. Charles was born in Uk and came to NSW with his parents, also Charles Newman Child and Emma (Hazelwood) and possibly other family. There were two or three children from the second marriage , and one of these had compiled a list of family names after a lot of research.. The children from the first marriage did not live with Ada after she remarried , my mother-in- law came to NZ when she was young with a sister who also married here, according to family others stayed in Australia , but kept in touch and some visited relations. I know this is very vague but I hope some one may be able to sort it out. , I will be very grateful . Thank you for any leads. Margaret in NZ.

Hi Margaret It is a bit difficult with the information you have provided so far. I had a quick look and this is what I have found so far .... and some of it may be incorrect (meaning wrong family) A Sarah Heyward was born to Michael and Sarah in 1852. I found a Michael Hayward married to Sarah Ellison in 1844 in Sydney. They also had other children who *may* have included the following Henry in 1846 Reuben in 1847 Ann in 1850 Sarah in 1852 Mary A in 1856 - Parramatta Miram S T in 1858 - Parramatta Reuben in 1860 - Parramatta Sarah Ada Heyward married Charles Newman Child in 1880 in Grafton, They had: Alice Child in 1883, registered Ulmarra Florence Child in 1885, registered Maclean Charles N Child in 1886, registered Ulmarra George R Child in 1888, registered Ulmarra Mabel M Child in 1892, registered Ulmarra The only Emma E Child I can find is the one born in 1891, registered Maclean, to a ** George and Ellen** Charles Newman Child died 1891. In 1894 Ada married James Langan in Grafton. Sarah Ada died as Ada Langan in 1900 and her parents given names were Michael and Sarah There was a convict by the name of Michael Haywood who arrived in 1827 on the "Marquis of Hastings" aged 24 on arrival. I think that he is incorrectly named in the 1828 NSW Census as Richard. There were two Sarah Ellisons (Allison) born in the colony who may fit. Sarah born in 1828 to John and Isabella (Isabella was a convict - not sure about John) Sarah born in 1819 to John and Sarah (both convicts) Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Stantiall Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:23 AM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Ancestor Michael ? Hello List. I am new to your list and hope some kind person will be able to sort my problem out. My Australian in-laws were early arrivals , at least the male was , I only know his first name was Michael, he arrived in NSW , and later married a convict lady with a child, according to research by a descendant of theirs. I cannot find the research that was made , I suspect it was lent to a NZ relation and Lost . I do know and have proof that my husband's grandmother , Sarah Ada Haywood born in NSW , died , 1891 , was the widow of Charles Newman Child when she remarried, on Woodford Island ( Clarence River) where my mother-in - law was born , she was Emma Eliza Child, one of six or more children of Ada's as she was known. Charles was born in Uk and came to NSW with his parents, also Charles Newman Child and Emma (Hazelwood) and possibly other family. There were two or three children from the second marriage , and one of these had compiled a list of family names after a lot of research.. The children from the first marriage did not live with Ada after she remarried , my mother-in- law came to NZ when she was young with a sister who also married here, according to family others stayed in Australia , but kept in touch and some visited relations. I know this is very vague but I hope some one may be able to sort it out. , I will be very grateful . Thank you for any leads. Margaret in NZ.

At 10:35 AM 2/01/2009, you wrote: The correct URL is http://six.maps.nsw.gov.au/ It doesn't have "www" in it. Gary ============================= >Thanks Gary for that information. >Kath C. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Luke" <gary@feraltek.com.au> >To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:51 PM >Subject: Re: [PJ] Land title searching > > > > At 02:14 PM 31/12/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > There is a fairly new web site for NSW property information - > > www.six.maps.nsw.gov.au > > SIX is an acronym for Spacial Information Exchange _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Thanks Gary for that information. Kath C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Luke" <gary@feraltek.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Land title searching > At 02:14 PM 31/12/2008, you wrote: > > > There is a fairly new web site for NSW property information - > www.six.maps.nsw.gov.au > SIX is an acronym for Spacial Information Exchange > > It's complex but worth browsing around, and struggling with its > systems. There are sections where you can overlay transparencies of > aerial photos over the original parish maps, or choose current > deposited plan references .... and more - street directories, LGA > boundaries - find the current DP or Torrens Tile reference for an > address, then zoom in on a transparent overlay of a 1949 aerial > photo. The section called Search takes you to where you can look up > the Land & Property computer database, or place an online order for > various types of documents. The Deed search by name finds Powers of > Attorney and other types of registered agreements. > > It's become difficult this last year to do some types of property > searches at the Macquarie St Lands office because they have been > taking large batches of folios off the shelves for digitising. This > web site is one of the results. > > Old System titles have not been digitised but you can order a copy > via the Search section. Most of their paid copies are around $10, the > same cost they charge for photcopies at Macquarie St.. > > > Gary > > ================= > > >>Does anyone know if you can get details from the lands dept that follows >>the >>title changes through to say about 50 years ago? >>Especially on original land grants from the early 1800's > > > > _________________________________ > Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au > Sydney, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Margaret Here is a link to Clarence river contact details on website http://www.clarencehistory.org.au/ There are Child and Haywood families still living in the Grafton area Hope this helps Neil Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Stantiall" <steinthall@xtra.co.nz> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: [PJ] Ancestor Michael ? > I do know and have proof that my husband's grandmother , Sarah Ada Haywood > born in NSW , died , 1891 , was the widow of Charles Newman Child when > she > remarried, on Woodford Island ( Clarence River) where my mother-in - law > was > born , she was Emma Eliza Child, one of six or more children of Ada's as > she > was known. Charles was born in Uk and came to NSW with his parents, also > Charles Newman Child and Emma (Hazelwood) and possibly other family.

At 05:31 PM 1/01/2009, you wrote: Marina It's heritage listed under a Local Government Environment plan. http://www.heritage.nsw.gov.au/07_subnav_01_2.cfm?itemid=2242647 You should contact the Parramatta branch of the National Trust and the trustees of the cemetery for guidance about maintenance, and for permission. Many types of maintenance can cause faster deterioration than leaving it as is. Please contact me via private email about it. I've just gone through this process for a couple of the relocated Devonshire St sandstone tombs at Rookwood. For those who want to check the heritage listing of NSW sites, go to http://www.heritage.nsw.gov.au/07_subnav_04.cfm My first search for "St Patricks" at suburb Parramatta didn't find it. For a second attempt I tried something more generic - I put "Parramatta" for the suburb and selected "Cemeteries & Burial Sites" for the Item Group in the lower section. Gary ============================ >Hi Listers, > >Would anyone know how one may approach repairing a damaged headstone >at St. Patrick's Cemetary Parramatta? > >Convict John Grainger's (gg grandfather) headstone is on the ground >and cracked with a bit missing. Our family was hoping to look into >repairing it as we've even noticed it deteriorating in the last few >months. Standing upright as it should, would lessen the speed in which >the inscription deteriorates. Perhaps also adding a small plaque at >the foot of it with the inscription in full..... > >Regards & thanks, > >Marina. _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Marina, Parramatta council appears to be the contact. http://www.parracity.nsw.gov.au/culture__and__leisure/recreation/parks_a nd_reserves2/sherwin_park2 John -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marina Grainger Sent: Thursday, 1 January 2009 5:31 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] St. Patrick's Cemetary Parramatta Hi Listers, Would anyone know how one may approach repairing a damaged headstone at St. Patrick's Cemetary Parramatta? Convict John Grainger's (gg grandfather) headstone is on the ground and cracked with a bit missing. Our family was hoping to look into repairing it as we've even noticed it deteriorating in the last few months. Standing upright as it should, would lessen the speed in which the inscription deteriorates. Perhaps also adding a small plaque at the foot of it with the inscription in full..... Regards & thanks, Marina. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Linda, that's very kind of you. Regards, Marina. On 01/01/2009, at 5:28 PM, Ross McDougal wrote: > Hi Marina > If you like I can connect Judith and see if any of the St Patricks > books are > still available and if so where to get it. > > Linda > > ps Best wishes to Lesley and all listers for the new year. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marina Grainger" <mgrainger67@yahoo.com.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:17 PM > Subject: [PJ] Judith Dunn: "The Parramatta Cemeteries: St. Patrick's" > > >> Hi Listers, >> >> Does anyone know of the book by Judith Dunn "The Parramatta >> Cemeteries: St. Patrick's" is still available to purchase? >> >> I was looking up Patrick and Honora Browne, (plus convict John >> Grainger is there (gg grandfather) ). The Brownes were his wife's >> parents. We were at the cemetary today and failed to locate their >> gravesite, although John's is known to us. >> >> Thanks and Happy New Years to all. >> >> Regards, >> Marina. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Listers, Would anyone know how one may approach repairing a damaged headstone at St. Patrick's Cemetary Parramatta? Convict John Grainger's (gg grandfather) headstone is on the ground and cracked with a bit missing. Our family was hoping to look into repairing it as we've even noticed it deteriorating in the last few months. Standing upright as it should, would lessen the speed in which the inscription deteriorates. Perhaps also adding a small plaque at the foot of it with the inscription in full..... Regards & thanks, Marina.

Hi Marina If you like I can connect Judith and see if any of the St Patricks books are still available and if so where to get it. Linda ps Best wishes to Lesley and all listers for the new year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina Grainger" <mgrainger67@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: [PJ] Judith Dunn: "The Parramatta Cemeteries: St. Patrick's" > Hi Listers, > > Does anyone know of the book by Judith Dunn "The Parramatta > Cemeteries: St. Patrick's" is still available to purchase? > > I was looking up Patrick and Honora Browne, (plus convict John > Grainger is there (gg grandfather) ). The Brownes were his wife's > parents. We were at the cemetary today and failed to locate their > gravesite, although John's is known to us. > > Thanks and Happy New Years to all. > > Regards, > Marina. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Does anyone know of the book by Judith Dunn "The Parramatta Cemeteries: St. Patrick's" is still available to purchase? I was looking up Patrick and Honora Browne, (plus convict John Grainger is there (gg grandfather) ). The Brownes were his wife's parents. We were at the cemetary today and failed to locate their gravesite, although John's is known to us. Thanks and Happy New Years to all. Regards, Marina.

Very interesting. The features can be clearly seen with Google Earth, even the old runway, although it helps to know it was there. John -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry and Sandra Sanders Sent: Thursday, 1 January 2009 11:56 AM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Bungarribee House and Estate Happy New Year List For those who had convicts located at the Bungarribee Estate or thereabouts. Website - http://www.landcom.com.au/project/doonsidebungarribee.aspx - From here click on download the concept plan and various associated documents. - Then Volume 2 Appendix D - European Heritage - Two downloads appear - Doonside Residential Parcel (15..48mb) and Parklands Bungarribee Project Heritage Impact (16.36mb) These two downloads give information on Rooty Hill Government Farm, Bungarribee House and Estate (including historical photographs and maps), plus information on the Western Road settlement of Eastern Creek where my forebear William Dean (Hillsborough 1799) was granted land. This information was put together by Godden Mackay Logan - Heritage consultants for Planning NSW into the proposed development of this site for a residential development in approx 2010. It gives specific archaeological details of the sites, their uses and historical details and covers the period from the granting of land in the 1810s through to the current period. I found it very interesting reading. Regards Garry Kariong NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year List For those who had convicts located at the Bungarribee Estate or thereabouts. Website - http://www.landcom.com.au/project/doonsidebungarribee.aspx - From here click on download the concept plan and various associated documents. - Then Volume 2 Appendix D - European Heritage - Two downloads appear - Doonside Residential Parcel (15..48mb) and Parklands Bungarribee Project Heritage Impact (16.36mb) These two downloads give information on Rooty Hill Government Farm, Bungarribee House and Estate (including historical photographs and maps), plus information on the Western Road settlement of Eastern Creek where my forebear William Dean (Hillsborough 1799) was granted land. This information was put together by Godden Mackay Logan - Heritage consultants for Planning NSW into the proposed development of this site for a residential development in approx 2010. It gives specific archaeological details of the sites, their uses and historical details and covers the period from the granting of land in the 1810s through to the current period. I found it very interesting reading. Regards Garry Kariong NSW

Hally Lesley and Listers Thanks to you Lesley for you management of the PJ list and all your posts in 2008. They are greatly appreciated. Best wishes to you and to all Listers for 2009. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:13 AM Subject: [PJ] New Year > Hi everyone, > > > The end of another very interesting year on the Port Jackson Convicts > Mailing > List. > > <SNIP> >>From Robbie Burns most famous folk song > > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And never brought to mind? > Should auld acquaintance be forgot, > And auld lang syne? > > HAPPY NEW YEAR > > Best regards > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1869 - Release Date: 12/30/2008 12:06 PM

Hi Lesley and list Happy New Year to all and thank you Lesley for your good wishes. Posting convicts from whom I descend: ROSS, John: arrived 10 Nov 1807 - Duke of Portland BENNETT, Elizabeth: arrived 10 Sept 1810 - Canada (2) PERRETT, Isaac: arrived 24 Dec 1818 - Hadlow BRENNAN, Michael: arrived 21 Feb 1801 - Anne (1) SMITH, Elizabeth: arrived 14 Dec 1801 - Nile ALLMAN, William: arrived 10 June 1801 - Earl Cornwallis WILLS, Elizabeth: arrived 10 June 1801 - Earl Cornwallis LEE, William: arrived 14 Sept 1818 - Isabella (1) FAIRCLOUGH, Charles: arrived 8 August 1815 - Francis and Eliza HUBBARD, Thomas: arrived 26 Sept 1820 - Shipley (3), left for VDL on 28 Oct 1820 on the Guildford (4) All the above arrived Port Jackson. I also have two who arrived in VDL. Regards Jan Koperberg Blue Mountains, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: [PJ] New Year > Hi everyone, Please don't hesitate to send a message every so often with the names and transports of those convicts from whom you descend.