Lesley I only received this email today despite it being sent on the 28/12/08. I have made contact with my distant relative Jill who is on the Claim the Convict site. The ship is incorrect I noted. I have a lot of information to share - I know his wife and child in England and was very excited to get the BC late last year of his son born prior to him being shipped to Australia. I also know JOHN HAWKES parents in England. I am not sure how about putting all this information somewhere for others to find in the future. Your help will be most appreciated. I am trying to find out what happened to John after 1860's at Gundaroo. Also very interested to find out what happened since 1844 and prior to his marriage to MARY ANN DAVIS. It appears who was assigned to Mr George Potter at Gundaroo or in the Yass area. Strange that he left there to marry in Seymour and then return back to Gundaroo some years later. I am hoping this could have been because of MARY ANN DAVIS'S family perhaps living at Gundaroo. Unfortunately DAVIS is like having a SMITH in the family and tracing is not easy. Thanks for all your advice and assistance. You have helped me so many times over the years. Pat Mott Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, DINES, MARSH On 28/12/2008, at 7:05 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi Pat > > I cannot remember if you tried emailing that person who has claimed > him on my > web site. Some people claim convicts and know nothing about the > convicts they > claim, whilst others have a great deal of information to share - > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pat > Pitts > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:53 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] JOHN HAWKES > > > Lesley > > Thanks for your response. I have his TOL but I will take your advice > and try and get his Certificate of Freedom - see if that gives any > other information. The TOL tells us nothing new. > > Thanks > > Pat > > Pat Mott > Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, > CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, > DINES, MARSH > > On 28/12/2008, at 12:49 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well done Lesley and happy new year to you. Grahame On 02/01/2009, at 11:20 AM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi Margaret > > It is a bit difficult with the information you have provided so far. > > I had a quick look and this is what I have found so far .... and > some of it may > be incorrect (meaning wrong family) > > A Sarah Heyward was born to Michael and Sarah in 1852. > > I found a Michael Hayward married to Sarah Ellison in 1844 in Sydney. > > They also had other children who *may* have included the following > > Henry in 1846 > Reuben in 1847 > Ann in 1850 > Sarah in 1852 > Mary A in 1856 - Parramatta > Miram S T in 1858 - Parramatta > Reuben in 1860 - Parramatta > > > Sarah Ada Heyward married Charles Newman Child in 1880 in Grafton, > > They had: > Alice Child in 1883, registered Ulmarra > Florence Child in 1885, registered Maclean > Charles N Child in 1886, registered Ulmarra > George R Child in 1888, registered Ulmarra > Mabel M Child in 1892, registered Ulmarra > > The only Emma E Child I can find is the one born in 1891, > registered Maclean, to > a ** George and Ellen** > > > Charles Newman Child died 1891. In 1894 Ada married James Langan > in Grafton. > Sarah Ada died as Ada Langan in 1900 and her parents given names > were Michael > and Sarah > > > There was a convict by the name of Michael Haywood who arrived in > 1827 on the > "Marquis of Hastings" aged 24 on arrival. I think that he is > incorrectly named > in the 1828 NSW Census as Richard. > > There were two Sarah Ellisons (Allison) born in the colony who may > fit. > Sarah born in 1828 to John and Isabella (Isabella was a convict - > not sure about > John) > Sarah born in 1819 to John and Sarah (both convicts) > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Margaret Stantiall > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:23 AM > To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Ancestor Michael ? > > > Hello List. > > I am new to your list and hope some kind person will be able to > sort my > problem out. > > My Australian in-laws were early arrivals , at least the male > was , I only > know his first name was Michael, he arrived in NSW , and later > married a > convict lady with a child, according to research by a descendant of > theirs. > > I cannot find the research that was made , I suspect it was lent to > a NZ > relation and Lost . > > I do know and have proof that my husband's grandmother , Sarah Ada > Haywood > born in NSW , died , 1891 , was the widow of Charles Newman Child > when she > remarried, on Woodford Island ( Clarence River) where my mother-in > - law was > born , she was Emma Eliza Child, one of six or more children of > Ada's as she > was known. Charles was born in Uk and came to NSW with his > parents, also > Charles Newman Child and Emma (Hazelwood) and possibly other family. > > There were two or three children from the second marriage , and one > of these > had compiled a list of family names after a lot of research.. > The children from the first marriage did not live with Ada after she > remarried , my mother-in- law came to NZ when she was young with a > sister > who also married here, according to family others stayed in > Australia , but > kept in touch and some visited relations. > > I know this is very vague but I hope some one may be able to sort > it out. , > I will be very grateful . > > Thank you for any leads. > > Margaret in NZ. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Lesley. An interesting document regarding an early segment of life in Port Jackson. Regards, Jill -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson- I found this in The Sydney Morning Herald of December 24 1955. Most of us would have been quite young when this was written and some of you have not have been born! When Sydney was 11 months old .. As we celebrate this, our one hundred and sixty seventh Christmas and possibly the most prosperous in all our history, we might remember that the first Christmas of our pioneering forefathers was somewhat different. By December 25, 1788, Sydney town, Australia's first settlement was 11 months old. Up till then progress had been steady, if not rapid. The bush around Sydney Cove had been cleared, and the thoroughfare that is now George Street North was a fairly well-defined track.

Hi Lesley & Listers, Just wanted to thank all those people who answered my request about "john Lawless, both on & off-list. I really appreciate it. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of knowledge about if we but to ask the right questions in the right place!! Having said that, I am still looking for info about JANE lANGLEY (although I have found some (info) since my last posting) and her husband THOMAS CHIPP. Jane was a First fleeter arriving on the Lady Penhryn and Thomas a marine arriving on the friendship. Thank you again & Very Best Wishes to all for the coming year Karen -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 9:55 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] CORRECTION: Should be "John FRANCIS Lawless" not JohnPatrick Hi Karen He actually arrived as Patrick Lawless...... and on checking the Indent is states in small writing 'or John'. He was tried in Dublin in 1831 and not Meath although Meath is noted as his native place. If you check the NSW State Records web site you will note that he did not receive his Certificate of Freedom until 1841 - a few years after due. He didn't receive a Ticket of Leave whilst serving his original sentence although he did receive one in 1859!! and that being the case may have committed a crime after 1841 when he was free. Now, on checking the State Records of NSW further - in particular the Index to Deposition Registers Index it appears as though he, his wife and son may have committed a few colonial crimes such as assault, larceny and arson whilst living in or near Queanbeyan in the 1870's..... unless there was another family with the same names. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:23 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] CORRECTION: Should be "John FRANCIS Lawless" not John Patrick Hi again Listers Yesterday I asked for info about John Patrick Lawless..when it should be "JOHN FRANCIS LAWLESS", my apologies I was getting him confused with another relation. John Francis Lawless per "Bussorah Merchant" married Sophia Thompson in 1848. Sophia's father is "William Thompson" also a convict, he married Sophia Chipp. Unfortunately this is all the info I have on him. Sophia Chipp's father was "Thomas Chipp" a First Fleet Marine and her grandmother was "Jane Langley" per Lady Penrhyn in the First Fleet. Any information about any of the above-mentioned would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards & Happy New Year to All Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------- This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1874 - Release Date: 4/01/2009 4:32 PM

Hi Elizabeth, many thanks for replying, the way I received the information from a family historian was:- 'Margaret didn't die, she some time later married 'THE Mayor of Tenterfield' and they went on to have several more children'. I have written to the Tenterfield Council asking if they can give me a list of their Mayors between 1894 and 1900 and I will look for a marriage in both NSW and QLD BDMs. Unfortunately if she did choose to revert to her maiden name 'Margaret Jones that name is so common it makes the job of identifying her with any certainty almost impossible as the are so many of them. I also have a William Smith on an unrelated branch who is also a brick wall for the same reason. Max -------Original Message------- From: Elizabeth Walker Date: 5/01/2009 5:34:20 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] The old Markets and Police Station Max, Might she have married someone with a surname which sounded like Mayor, rather than 'the Mayor". Being close to the Q'ld border they could have married there, or she may just have taken his name, and not married at all. I hope all the siblings were re-united at some stage. All part of life's little mysteries. Thank you for sharing this with us. Liz At 06:19 PM 20/12/2008, you wrote: >Because they were given to strangers my grandfathers eight siblings ended up >in various places ie Griffith NSW, W.A. and Canada but most of them settled >in the Grafton Maclean area of NSW. Their Mother Margaret Bancroft (Nee >Jones) didn't perish. She is said to have married the Mayor of Tenterfield. >I don't know his name and I cannot see a second marriage for her in NSW BDM > >regards > >Max Bancroft >-------Original Message------- > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .

Thanks Jan, Nice to know about the conditional pardon, I had not tried that website. I will give looking into his boss a try. Cheers Dorothy Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:11:44 +0900 From: "Jan" <boris52@iprimus.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Charles Fredrick Gilbert arrived EARL GREY 2 To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <037101c96d9c$72e86b50$58b941f0$@com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Dorothy, There are three mentions of him on the 'free settler or Fellon' web page. Sometimes you can find more, by searching the chap he was assigned to, as well. Regards Jan # Family Name First Name Ship Date Location Reference Remarks 21992 Gilbert Charles Frederick Earl Grey 1838 1846 13 May Maitland MM Obtained Ticket of Leave 79180 Gilbert Charles Frederick Earl Grey 1838 1850 28 September - MM Granted Conditional Pardon 10th August 1850 92609 Gilbert Charles Frederick Earl Grey 1838 1838 - CI Groom aged 22

Kath Many thanks for your information - I will follow this up. Knowing George Potter was in the Yass district and Gundaroo really helps. Thanks Pat Mott Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, DINES, MARSH On 04/01/2009, at 7:29 PM, Kath Connors wrote: > Hello Pat, > Our ancestor was assigned to Captain George Potter in the Yass > district in > that > era and he was also at Gundaroo, have you had contact with the Davis > family who were also in that district, the Davis family have a > wonderfull > family tree and they were there also. > There were several " STATIONS "in the district such as " CAVAN" " > MILL > BANK" > " GIDLEIGH " " BANGO" JEIR" " Taemas" > Yass Historical Society may help you. > MAJOR George Johnston had the leases on several Station in that > district and > convicts were moved from one to another quite often. > > Kath > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Pitts" <patpitts@iinet.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:57 PM > Subject: [PJ] CONVICT JOHN HAWKES > > >> Hi Listers >> >> I am starting to do a time line from the arrival of my convict John >> Hawkes on the Earl Grey 2 in 1838. The gaps I am trying to fill >> in are >> >> 1843 Ticket of Leave for the Yass Area >> >> Assigned to George Porter ? >> 1844 Freedom 44/1639 >> 1845 - I found an unclaimed letter at Sydney PO - possibly from his >> young wife back in Walsall Stafford >> 1851 - A John Hawkes charged employer John Christian with lack of >> wages - seems Mr Christian was contantly receiving the same charges >> from other convicts - reference Maitland Mercury. >> >> 1852 Married Mary Ann Davis (some 19 years younger than him) at >> Seymour. >> >> 1852-1855 Children Sarah, Mary born at Seymour >> >> 1858 Son john born ? >> >> 1859-61 William and Thomas born at Gundaroo NSW (now ACT) >> >> 1860 William aged 18 months buried at Gundaroo >> >> I am trying to find out what happened in the missing years 1844 -1852 >> and from 1861 onwards. I have never been able to find deaths for >> either John Hawkes or his wife Mary Ann Davis (born Cork Ireland >> 1831). >> >> Anyone who could help - I would be most appreciative. Any >> information on where to look would also be of assistance. >> >> Thanks >> >> Pat Mott >> Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, >> CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, >> DINES, MARSH >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Pat, Our ancestor was assigned to Captain George Potter in the Yass district in that era and he was also at Gundaroo, have you had contact with the Davis family who were also in that district, the Davis family have a wonderfull family tree and they were there also. There were several " STATIONS "in the district such as " CAVAN" " MILL BANK" " GIDLEIGH " " BANGO" JEIR" " Taemas" Yass Historical Society may help you. MAJOR George Johnston had the leases on several Station in that district and convicts were moved from one to another quite often. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Pitts" <patpitts@iinet.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: [PJ] CONVICT JOHN HAWKES > Hi Listers > > I am starting to do a time line from the arrival of my convict John > Hawkes on the Earl Grey 2 in 1838. The gaps I am trying to fill in are > > 1843 Ticket of Leave for the Yass Area > > Assigned to George Porter ? > 1844 Freedom 44/1639 > 1845 - I found an unclaimed letter at Sydney PO - possibly from his > young wife back in Walsall Stafford > 1851 - A John Hawkes charged employer John Christian with lack of > wages - seems Mr Christian was contantly receiving the same charges > from other convicts - reference Maitland Mercury. > > 1852 Married Mary Ann Davis (some 19 years younger than him) at > Seymour. > > 1852-1855 Children Sarah, Mary born at Seymour > > 1858 Son john born ? > > 1859-61 William and Thomas born at Gundaroo NSW (now ACT) > > 1860 William aged 18 months buried at Gundaroo > > I am trying to find out what happened in the missing years 1844 -1852 > and from 1861 onwards. I have never been able to find deaths for > either John Hawkes or his wife Mary Ann Davis (born Cork Ireland 1831). > > Anyone who could help - I would be most appreciative. Any > information on where to look would also be of assistance. > > Thanks > > Pat Mott > Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, > CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, > DINES, MARSH > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Julie I think I can connect to one of your husbands convicts...... Richard Webb. My 1st cousin, twice removed married one of his granddaughters - Louisa Thorpe regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Julie Webb Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:34 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Convict Names to start 2009 Dear all Thank you Lesley for another wonderful year on the list, and I am again resending my PJ convict names Barry's convicts:- Richard WEBB - born Norwich, Norfolk, transported on the "GENERAL HEWITT" 1818 from Portsmouth George BEST - born Sussex, transported on the "WILLIAM & ANN" 1791 Martha CHAMBERLAIN - born London, transported on the "INDISPENSIBLE" 1796 James BECKETT - born Shropshire, transported on the "SURPRISE (1)" 1790 2nd Fleet Ann CALCUTT - born Staffordshire, transported on the "NEPTUNE" 1790 2nd Fleet Sarah COLEMAN - born Devon, transported on "BRITANNIA" 1798 James DARE - born Surrey, transported on the "PARKFIELD" 1839 Kind Regards Julie Webb Gold Coast, Qld

Hello Lesley and listers, I am seeking to hear from anyone able to add to the particulars I have concerning the antecedents of a convict named Michael Fogarty who came to Sydney from Ireland in 1822 by the ship "Mangles". I am not descended from him. I have researched a lot of Australian Fogarty families. I have long wondered whether Michael`s family can be linked with any other in my collection. Australian records state that Michael Fogarty was from County Kilkenny and that his parents were John and Catherine. I know about Michael`s wife and have a lot of material on descendants. Australian records give me the impression that Michael probably had a sister named Mary who married a Ricbard Hennessy who also was transported to Sydney on the "Mangles" in 1822. Richard Hennessy appears to have been from Clonmel in County Tipperary. I have investigated the descent from Richard`s daughter Mary, who came to Sydney in 1830 as a convict on the ship "Asia" with a convict named Catherine Fogarty. The indents referred to those two as sisters. I have investigated the descent from Catherine. Michael Fogarty settled at Maitland. Eventually there were descendants in Queensland and the Northern Territory. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W.

Dear all Thank you Lesley for another wonderful year on the list, and I am again resending my PJ convict names My convicts:- Matthew BUTT - born Bristol, transported on the "SUSAN" 1836 from Portsmouth Ann CORBETT - born Bermondsey, transported on the "PLANTER" 1838 Robert POTTS - born Harrogate, transported on the "GRENADA" 1819 Jonathon GRIFFITHS - born Stone, Gloucestershire, transported on the "SCARBOROUGH" 1790 2nd Fleet Eleanor McDONALD - born Dublin, Ireland, transported on the "QUEEN" 1791 3rd Fleet from Cork Robert FORRESTER - born England, transported on the "SCARBOROUGH" 1788 1st Fleet Isabella RAMSAY - born England, transported on the "MARY ANN" 1791 3rd Fleet Charles STANYARD - born Birmingham, transported on the "DUNVEGAN CASTLE" 1830 Henry HARRIS - transported "EMMA EUGENIA" 1838 (cannot officially lay claim as 2x ggrandfather illegitimate child of his) James CARMODY - born Ireland transported on the "PORTLAND 11" 1833 Alice MCSHANE - born England transported on the "ELIZABETH 1V" 1836 Barry's convicts:- Richard WEBB - born Norwich, Norfolk, transported on the "GENERAL HEWITT" 1818 from Portsmouth George BEST - born Sussex, transported on the "WILLIAM & ANN" 1791 Martha CHAMBERLAIN - born London, transported on the "INDISPENSIBLE" 1796 James BECKETT - born Shropshire, transported on the "SURPRISE (1)" 1790 2nd Fleet Ann CALCUTT - born Staffordshire, transported on the "NEPTUNE" 1790 2nd Fleet Sarah COLEMAN - born Devon, transported on "BRITANNIA" 1798 James DARE - born Surrey, transported on the "PARKFIELD" 1839 My cousin's in law convicts:- Matthew LOCK - "SURPRIZE" 2nd fleet Eupham GRAHAM - "PITT" 1792 Thomas HODGETTS - "SCARBOROUGH" 2nd fleet Harriet HODGETTS - "NEPTUNE" 2nd fleet Happy New Year to all and may our convict ancestors give up their secrets in 2009 Kind Regards Julie Webb Gold Coast, Qld

Liz and Listers Thanks for your response. I don't have any known Marsh relatives in Australia. My Marsh relatives were in Essex and are connected with my convict John Hawkes from the other side. My Marsh line married a Holgate who in turn married a Mott. The Mott and Hawkes line joined together with John Hawkes and Mary Ann Davis's eldest daughter married Frederick Mott from Essex in 1869 in Young NSW. Interesting you mention Ben Hall the Bushranger. Another of my convicts (married a Mott) John Jobson held up Grogan Station whilst Frederick Mott was working there. John Jobson was his son in law. Sounds very interesting. I have wondered whether John Hawkes got involved in some robberies etc. I found some articles in the Parramatta Chronicle - a John Hawkes appearing at Berrima court in 1844. My other convicts are Thornborough and Salter. If anyone has anything that matches to any of the above it would be most appreciated. Thanks Pat Mott Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, DINES, MARSH On 03/01/2009, at 9:29 PM, Elizabeth Walker wrote: > Hello Pat, > > I can't help you with any of the names you mention, except, possibly > the Marsh name. I haven't got all the details to hand at the > moment, > but I remember Christiana Wilcox (a convict) married into a Marsh > Family > - all my records are put away, but I'm sure she married George Marsh, > and some of the Marsh children eventually ended up in Blayney, into > which branch my paternal gt.aunt Emily Newstead married, and my father > and his sisters grew up with all the Marsh cousins. I know I grew up > hearing family stories about how someone got held up by Bell Hall. > > If this family is of interest please let me know, and I can probably > help a bit more. > > Liz > Lake Macquarie. > > Pat Pitts wrote: >> Hi Listers >> >> I am starting to do a time line from the arrival of my convict John >> Hawkes on the Earl Grey 2 in 1838. The gaps I am trying to fill >> in are >> >> 1843 Ticket of Leave for the Yass Area >> >> Assigned to George Porter ? >> 1844 Freedom 44/1639 >> 1845 - I found an unclaimed letter at Sydney PO - possibly from his >> young wife back in Walsall Stafford >> 1851 - A John Hawkes charged employer John Christian with lack of >> wages - seems Mr Christian was contantly receiving the same charges >> from other convicts - reference Maitland Mercury. >> >> 1852 Married Mary Ann Davis (some 19 years younger than him) at >> Seymour. >> >> 1852-1855 Children Sarah, Mary born at Seymour >> >> 1858 Son john born ? >> >> 1859-61 William and Thomas born at Gundaroo NSW (now ACT) >> >> 1860 William aged 18 months buried at Gundaroo >> >> I am trying to find out what happened in the missing years 1844 -1852 >> and from 1861 onwards. I have never been able to find deaths for >> either John Hawkes or his wife Mary Ann Davis (born Cork Ireland >> 1831). >> >> Anyone who could help - I would be most appreciative. Any >> information on where to look would also be of assistance. >> >> Thanks >> >> Pat Mott >> Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, >> CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, >> DINES, MARSH >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- >> JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen There are 18 people listed under Lawless in the 4 volumes book Queanbeyan Pioneer Cemeteries, none appear to be the two below but in view of Lesley's reference to Queanbeyan below, there could be a connection. Do you know the names of any Lawless children? Perhaps contact me off list as its getting away from PJ Convict matters. cheers Grahame On 03/01/2009, at 10:54 AM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi Karen > > He actually arrived as Patrick Lawless...... and on checking the > Indent is > states in small writing 'or John'. > > He was tried in Dublin in 1831 and not Meath although Meath is > noted as his > native place. > > > If you check the NSW State Records web site you will note that he > did not > receive his Certificate of Freedom until 1841 - a few years after due. > > He didn't receive a Ticket of Leave whilst serving his original > sentence > although he did receive one in 1859!! and that being the case may > have committed > a crime after 1841 when he was free. > > > Now, on checking the State Records of NSW further - in particular > the Index to > Deposition Registers Index it appears as though he, his wife and > son may have > committed a few colonial crimes such as assault, larceny and arson > whilst > living in or near Queanbeyan in the 1870's..... unless there was > another family > with the same names. > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Karen > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:23 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] CORRECTION: Should be "John FRANCIS Lawless" not John > Patrick > > > Hi again Listers > > > Yesterday I asked for info about John Patrick Lawless..when it > should be > "JOHN FRANCIS LAWLESS", my apologies I was getting him confused > with another > relation. > > > John Francis Lawless per "Bussorah Merchant" married Sophia > Thompson in > 1848. > > > Sophia's father is "William Thompson" also a convict, he married > Sophia > Chipp. Unfortunately this is all the info I have on him. > > > Sophia Chipp's father was "Thomas Chipp" a First Fleet Marine and her > grandmother was "Jane Langley" per Lady Penrhyn in the First Fleet. > > > Any information about any of the above-mentioned would be greatly > appreciated. > > > Kind Regards & Happy New Year to All > > Karen > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, I am making some progress with my search for my G G Grandfathers roots. I am waiting for a trial transcript from the Kent Archives service but they are having some processing problems it seems. Charles Fredrick Gilbert, tried at the Kent Assizes on 12th March 1838 for burglary (simple), sentenced to transportation for life. Born circa 1816 somewhere in Kent, occupation Groom, able to read and write. Charles arrived Port Jackson aboard the Earl Grey (2) on 21/11/1838, Australian records say Fredrick Charles Gilbert, crime housebreaking. The first ticket of leave I have found is 4th July 1846 and states 'allowed to remain in the employ of Mr John Lord Ellerby at Richmond River', I believe this may have been on a large sheep property? The second one I have found is dated 12th November 1848 and states ' same as preceding'. I have not found any further TOL`s or any pardon etc but he was in Sydney by the birth of his fifth child in 1857. Charles married Charlotte Gilbert, born 1832 Grantham Lincolnshire, arrived free with parents on the Briton in 1844, they married on 29th August 1847 at Clarence River and had nine children, first four born at Clarence and Richmond River, next five at Chippendale/Redfern Sydney. I am wondering if maybe Charles received a pardon? I am descended from his daughter Charlotte Gilbert who married James Robert Meyers and their daughter Barbara who married William Austin Chater. If anyone on the list has any information on Charles or his background or descendants I would love to hear from you. Many thanks Dorothy

Hi I'm new to the list having just discovered my first NSW convict. I'm wondering if anyone has access to the NSW Gov gazettes or can tell me where I'd find these references from the AGCI please. Kenna, Margaret 25Aug1834 Conv. indulg. NSLNSW NSW 1834 P608 Kenny, Margaret 09Jul1833 Conv. indulg. NSAG NSW 1833 P255 Kenny, Margaret 16Sep1833 Conv. indulg. NSAG NSW 1833 P380 Kenny, Margaret 13Jan1835 Conv. indulg. NSAG NSW 1835 P28 Kenny, Margaret 10Dec1839 Conv. indulg. NSAG NSW 1839 P1411 Kenny, Margaret 12Jan1842 Postal NSAG NSW 1842 P112 What are convict indulgences likely to cover? Am I right in assuming that "postal' references would simply refer to a listing that there is a letter waiting for....? Thanks Min in Tas ---------- *There are no answers, only cross-references.* ----------

Hello Pat, I can't help you with any of the names you mention, except, possibly the Marsh name. I haven't got all the details to hand at the moment, but I remember Christiana Wilcox (a convict) married into a Marsh Family - all my records are put away, but I'm sure she married George Marsh, and some of the Marsh children eventually ended up in Blayney, into which branch my paternal gt.aunt Emily Newstead married, and my father and his sisters grew up with all the Marsh cousins. I know I grew up hearing family stories about how someone got held up by Bell Hall. If this family is of interest please let me know, and I can probably help a bit more. Liz Lake Macquarie. Pat Pitts wrote: > Hi Listers > > I am starting to do a time line from the arrival of my convict John > Hawkes on the Earl Grey 2 in 1838. The gaps I am trying to fill in are > > 1843 Ticket of Leave for the Yass Area > > Assigned to George Porter ? > 1844 Freedom 44/1639 > 1845 - I found an unclaimed letter at Sydney PO - possibly from his > young wife back in Walsall Stafford > 1851 - A John Hawkes charged employer John Christian with lack of > wages - seems Mr Christian was contantly receiving the same charges > from other convicts - reference Maitland Mercury. > > 1852 Married Mary Ann Davis (some 19 years younger than him) at > Seymour. > > 1852-1855 Children Sarah, Mary born at Seymour > > 1858 Son john born ? > > 1859-61 William and Thomas born at Gundaroo NSW (now ACT) > > 1860 William aged 18 months buried at Gundaroo > > I am trying to find out what happened in the missing years 1844 -1852 > and from 1861 onwards. I have never been able to find deaths for > either John Hawkes or his wife Mary Ann Davis (born Cork Ireland 1831). > > Anyone who could help - I would be most appreciative. Any > information on where to look would also be of assistance. > > Thanks > > Pat Mott > Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, > CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, > DINES, MARSH > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Hi Dorothy, There are three mentions of him on the 'free settler or Fellon' web page. Sometimes you can find more, by searching the chap he was assigned to, as well. Regards Jan # Family Name First Name Ship Date Location Reference Remarks 21992 Gilbert Charles Frederick Earl Grey 1838 1846 13 May Maitland MM Obtained Ticket of Leave 79180 Gilbert Charles Frederick Earl Grey 1838 1850 28 September - MM Granted Conditional Pardon 10th August 1850 92609 Gilbert Charles Frederick Earl Grey 1838 1838 - CI Groom aged 22 -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dot Sweeney Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 9:02 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Charles Fredrick Gilbert arrived EARL GREY 2 Hello Listers, I am making some progress with my search for my G G Grandfathers roots. I am waiting for a trial transcript from the Kent Archives service but they are having some processing problems it seems. Charles Fredrick Gilbert, tried at the Kent Assizes on 12th March 1838 for burglary (simple), sentenced to transportation for life. Born circa 1816 somewhere in Kent, occupation Groom, able to read and write. Charles arrived Port Jackson aboard the Earl Grey (2) on 21/11/1838, Australian records say Fredrick Charles Gilbert, crime housebreaking. The first ticket of leave I have found is 4th July 1846 and states 'allowed to remain in the employ of Mr John Lord Ellerby at Richmond River', I believe this may have been on a large sheep property? The second one I have found is dated 12th November 1848 and states ' same as preceding'. I have not found any further TOL`s or any pardon etc but he was in Sydney by the birth of his fifth child in 1857. Charles married Charlotte Gilbert, born 1832 Grantham Lincolnshire, arrived free with parents on the Briton in 1844, they married on 29th August 1847 at Clarence River and had nine children, first four born at Clarence and Richmond River, next five at Chippendale/Redfern Sydney. I am wondering if maybe Charles received a pardon? I am descended from his daughter Charlotte Gilbert who married James Robert Meyers and their daughter Barbara who married William Austin Chater. If anyone on the list has any information on Charles or his background or descendants I would love to hear from you. Many thanks Dorothy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers I am starting to do a time line from the arrival of my convict John Hawkes on the Earl Grey 2 in 1838. The gaps I am trying to fill in are 1843 Ticket of Leave for the Yass Area Assigned to George Porter ? 1844 Freedom 44/1639 1845 - I found an unclaimed letter at Sydney PO - possibly from his young wife back in Walsall Stafford 1851 - A John Hawkes charged employer John Christian with lack of wages - seems Mr Christian was contantly receiving the same charges from other convicts - reference Maitland Mercury. 1852 Married Mary Ann Davis (some 19 years younger than him) at Seymour. 1852-1855 Children Sarah, Mary born at Seymour 1858 Son john born ? 1859-61 William and Thomas born at Gundaroo NSW (now ACT) 1860 William aged 18 months buried at Gundaroo I am trying to find out what happened in the missing years 1844 -1852 and from 1861 onwards. I have never been able to find deaths for either John Hawkes or his wife Mary Ann Davis (born Cork Ireland 1831). Anyone who could help - I would be most appreciative. Any information on where to look would also be of assistance. Thanks Pat Mott Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, DINES, MARSH

Hi Helen >From the 1828 NSW Census it appears as though the other siblings were Richard and Charles Lord both 12 years of age in 1828. There is a marriage of an Elizabeth Lord to Thomas Sewell in 1835 V18351399 19/1835 SEWELL THOMAS LORD ELIZABETH CV and she may have died in 1872 - age given 54 - therefore born about 1818. Elizabeth Lord in the 1828 NSW Census was stated to be 10 years of age at that stage. I cannot help with Esther or Hester Lord..... but I am sure that there are a few other people on this list researching the Lord name regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Helen Thompson Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:55 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Convicts Edward Jones and Ann Lord Hi Lesley and everyone else I have a question about the children of convicts Edward Jones (Tellicherry) and Ann Lord (Broxbornebury). Re the 2003 listing below they had three children (I tried emailing Pam direct but this is no longer a current email address). They don't appear to have married until 1821 (V18211058 147B/1821 JONES EDWARD LORD ANN). One of the children Edward Jones fathered with Ann Lord was an Elizabeth Lord b. 3 January 1819, christened 13 February 1819, C of E Chronological Indexes, Parish of St John, Paramatta (V18195038 1B/1819 NSW BDM Index). I am trying to track down details for my ancester Esther Lord who was born in the colony of NSW around 1819-1820 (parents unknown), and married Joseph Sibrey/Sibraa (both of North Richmond) on 20 April 1837 in Pitt Town, NSW, and I am having no luck finding any records for her anywhere under that name. I was just wondering if anyone knows what became of the child Elizabeth Lord - who she married, etc., and what the names of the other two children were? Kind regards Helen

Hi Lesley and everyone else I have a question about the children of convicts Edward Jones (Tellicherry) and Ann Lord (Broxbornebury). Re the 2003 listing below they had three children (I tried emailing Pam direct but this is no longer a current email address). They don't appear to have married until 1821 (V18211058 147B/1821 JONES EDWARD LORD ANN). One of the children Edward Jones fathered with Ann Lord was an Elizabeth Lord b. 3 January 1819, christened 13 February 1819, C of E Chronological Indexes, Parish of St John, Paramatta (V18195038 1B/1819 NSW BDM Index). I am trying to track down details for my ancester Esther Lord who was born in the colony of NSW around 1819-1820 (parents unknown), and married Joseph Sibrey/Sibraa (both of North Richmond) on 20 April 1837 in Pitt Town, NSW, and I am having no luck finding any records for her anywhere under that name. I was just wondering if anyone knows what became of the child Elizabeth Lord - who she married, etc., and what the names of the other two children were? Kind regards Helen *From:* pamela hayes <pamhayes@iprimus.com.au> *Subject:* [PJ] Ships Ahoy - Tellicherry *Date:* Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:25:15 +1100 Much has already been written about the 'Tellicherry' and its Irish convicts. I will only add another convict name transported on board same. May I also recommend Lesley Uebel's previously presented material HRA Secretary A. Marsden to Governor King 22 Feb, 1806 My convict was Edward Jones sentenced as an Irish Rebel in Londonderry. He married Ann Lord from the Broxbornebury but except for fathering three children, he is then something of a 'lost soul'. My information about Edward came from Elizabeth Hook's great book Journey to a New Life: The Story of the ships Emu in 1812 and Broxbornbeury in 1814 What I have not been able to fathom - were Irish Rebels in the north of Ireland in 1800? Would he have just been caught there? Most material I have read related to the "Tellicherry Five" Has anyone searched for an "Edward Jones" there are so many. It is possible he is 'still alive' as he seems not to appear on death registers! His wife remarried in 1832. Elizabeth Hook states he was deceased in 1828 - anyone any success in their research? Puzzled Pam