Hi Betty, I have not looked at that line for some years but have nothing about a court case with William & Jane Roberts. When, where etc was it? Regards Joan > > Do you know about the court case between Lydia Benn/Macdonald and > William > and Jane Roberts? > Regards > Betty Candy > > >

Sorry Lesley but my First Fleeter was a marine and not a convict. Have a great day anyway. The piece was very interesting Regards Shirley Subject: [PJ] Australian coast sighted - 3 January 1788 Hi all, We are fast approaching OUR special day again - that being Australia Day. The most important day on the PJ Convicts calendar. As many of you are aware, the First Fleet arrived in Botany Bay on the 18th January 1788. If you read the following small section of the first letter from Governor Phillip to Lord Sydney (Secretary of State) dated May 15th, 1788 I think that the weather may have been similar to what we are experiencing in Sydney at this time - windy, hot and with thunder storms. If you have a First Fleeter as an ancestor, please tell us about him or her. If you have an interesting story to share please do, if you only have names and dates, then please don't let that stop you from telling us that you are descended from a First Fleeter.

Hi all, We are fast approaching OUR special day again - that being Australia Day. The most important day on the PJ Convicts calendar. As many of you are aware, the First Fleet arrived in Botany Bay on the 18th January 1788. If you read the following small section of the first letter from Governor Phillip to Lord Sydney (Secretary of State) dated May 15th, 1788 I think that the weather may have been similar to what we are experiencing in Sydney at this time - windy, hot and with thunder storms. If you have a First Fleeter as an ancestor, please tell us about him or her. If you have an interesting story to share please do, if you only have names and dates, then please don't let that stop you from telling us that you are descended from a First Fleeter. Part of the first despatch from Governor Phillip. Australian coast sighted ------------------------------ The westerly winds we now had continued till the 3rd of January, when we saw the coast of New South Wales, but the winds, which had been so favourable, having seldom been to the eastward, and then for a few hours only, blowing from the N.W. to the S. W., generally very strong gales, now left us, and we had variable winds, with a current that at times set very strong to the southward, so that we did not arrive at Botany Bay before the 18th. Arrival at Botany Bay -------------------------- The Alexander, Scarborough, and Friendship came in the next day, and the Sirius, with the rest of the ships, the day after. Those Ships had continued very healthy. Description of this bay -------------------------- The Supply, sailing very badly, had not permitted my gaining the advantage hoped for, but I began to examine the bay as soon as we anchored, and found that tho’ extensive, it did not afford shelter to ships from the easterly winds; the greater part of the bay being so shoal that ships of even a moderate draught of water are obliged to anchor with the entrance of the bay open, and are exposed to a heavy sea that rolls in when it blows hard -from the eastward. Several small runs of fresh water were found in different parts of the bay, but I did not see any situation to which there was not some very strong objection. The small creek that is in the northern part of the bay runs a considerable way into the country, but it had only water for a boat. The sides of this creek are frequently overflowed, and the lowlands a swamp. The western branch runs up for a considerable distance, but the officers I. sent to examine it could not find any water, except in very small drains. The best situation that offered was near Point Sutherland, where there was a small run of good water; but the ground near it, as well as a considerable part of the higher ground, was spongy, and the ships could not approach this part of the bay. Several good situations offered for a small number of people, but none that appeared calculated for our numbers, and where the stores and provisions could be landed without a great loss of time. When I considered the bay’s being so very open, and the probability of the swamps rendering the most eligible situation unhealthy, I judged it advisable to examine Port Jackson; but ( that no time might be lost if I did not succeed in finding a better harbour, and a proper situation for the settlement, the ground near Point Sutherland was in the meantime to be cleared and preparations made for landing under the direction of the Lieutenant-Governor. As the time in which I might be absent, if I went in the Supply, must have been very uncertain, I went around with three boats taking with me Captain Hunter and several officers that by examining different parts of the port at the same time less time might be lost Exploration of Port Jackson --------------------------------- We got into Port Jackson early in the afternoon, and had the satisfaction of finding the finest harbour in the world, in which a thousand sail of the line may ride in the most perfect security, and of which a rough survey, made by Captain Hunter and the officers, of the Sirius after the ships came around, may give your Lordship some idea. The different coves were examined with all possible expedition. I fixed on the one that had the best spring water, and in which the ships can anchor so close to the shore that at a very small expense quays may be made at which the largest ships may unload. Sydney Cove ---------------- This cove, which I honoured with the name of Sydney, is about a quarter of a mile across at the entrance and half a mile in length. We returned to Botany Bay the third day, when I received a very unfavourable, account of the ground that was clearing. The Fleet in Port Jackson ---------------------------- The ships immediately prepared to go round, and the 25th – seven days after I arrived in tho Supply, I sailed in her for Port Jackson, leaving Captain Hunter to follow with the transports, it then blowing too strong for them to work out of the bay. They joined me the next evening, and all the transports were moored in the cove. Foundation of Sydney --------------------------- The clearing the ground for the people and for erecting store houses was begun as soon as the ships got round, a labour of which it will be hardly possible to give your Lordship a just idea. The necks of land that form the different coves, and near the water for some distance, are in general so rocky that it is surprizing such large trees should find sufficient nourishment, but the soil between the rocks is good, and the summits of the rocks, as well as the whole country round us, with few exceptions, are covered with trees, most of which are so large that the removing them off the ground after they are cut down is the greatest part of the labour; and the convicts, naturally-indolent, having none to attend them but overseers drawn from amongst themselves, and who fear to exert any authority, makes this work go on very slowly. Reasons for choice of site ------------------------------ Your Lordship will permit me to observe that our situation tho’ so very different from what might be expected, is nevertheless the best that offered. My instructions did not permit me to detain the transports a sufficient length of time, to examine the coast to any considerable distance, it was absolutely necessary to be certain of a sufficient quantity of fresh water, in a situation that was healthy, and which the ships might approach within a reasonable distance for the conveniency of landing the stores and provisions, and I am fully persuaded that we should never have succeeded had it been attempted to move them only one mile from where they were landed. There are some parts of this harbour where the trees stand at a considerable distance from each other, and where there are small runs of water, which shall be cultivated when our numbers permit, and when the country inland can be examined. I make no doubt but some good situations will be found that have water, which I have never yet been able to find, either in Botany Bay or in this harbour, but in very small streams. Source: Typed by Lesley Uebel 2003 from the HRA Vol 1 . Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

Do you know about the court case between Lydia Benn/Macdonald and William and Jane Roberts? Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <famhist@celebrantnetwork.org> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: [PJ] John Benn & John Macdonald > Hi Leith, > I believe we corresponded many years ago - I think just after Lesley > started this wonderful list. > My late husband's line was Bates-Griffin via Maria, hence the > connection to Lydia and to husbands John Benn & John Macdonald & Pitt > Town. > Cheers, Joan Edwards > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1896 - Release Date: 1/15/2009 7:10 PM

Thank you still a way to go and learn Meg On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Grahame & Rosslyn Thom <grthom@bigpond.com>wrote: > Hi Meg > > There is a John sleep listed in the 1837 General Return of Convicts > book as age 34, ship Claudine, 1829, work Government, at Parramatta > > cheers > > Grahame > > On 20/01/2009, at 7:57 AM, Jan Koperberg wrote: > > > Hi Meg > > > > In the State Records of NSW Index to Convict Pardons 1791-1825, > > 1837-41, > > there is listed a John Sleep, who arrived on the "Claudine" in > > 1829, who > > received a Conditional Pardon on 1 July 1846. Have a look at > > Lesley Uebel's > > "Claim a Convict" website for further records worth checking > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > Regards > > Jan Koperberg > > Blue Mountains > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Meg There is a John sleep listed in the 1837 General Return of Convicts book as age 34, ship Claudine, 1829, work Government, at Parramatta cheers Grahame On 20/01/2009, at 7:57 AM, Jan Koperberg wrote: > Hi Meg > > In the State Records of NSW Index to Convict Pardons 1791-1825, > 1837-41, > there is listed a John Sleep, who arrived on the "Claudine" in > 1829, who > received a Conditional Pardon on 1 July 1846. Have a look at > Lesley Uebel's > "Claim a Convict" website for further records worth checking > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > Regards > Jan Koperberg > Blue Mountains >>

Hi Meg In the State Records of NSW Index to Convict Pardons 1791-1825, 1837-41, there is listed a John Sleep, who arrived on the "Claudine" in 1829, who received a Conditional Pardon on 1 July 1846. Have a look at Lesley Uebel's "Claim a Convict" website for further records worth checking http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html Regards Jan Koperberg Blue Mountains ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Austin" <meg.austin44@gmail.com> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: [PJ] sleep > Hello > > I think I may have a convict becase he married in 1838 in NSW. His name > is > John Sleep. Can anyone tell me anything about him. > > Thanks in advance > > Meg Austin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello I think I may have a convict becase he married in 1838 in NSW. His name is John Sleep. Can anyone tell me anything about him. Thanks in advance Meg Austin

Hi Lynne It is best to not include all the names in the subject heading as not all show up. It may be wise to include the transports on which they arrived and also they arrived If I have included them on my Claim a Convict web site, then I would appreciate a separate email to me privately with the full list of those convicts you have claimed so that I can update them..... otherwise it means that every couple of days when I update my web site I am not updating with an outdated email address... waste of my money and time regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lynne & Trev Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:55 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] John Hence, Jane Mitchell, Samuel Kingston, Thomas McCormick,Sarah Donnelly, Christopher Ash Re posting my partner's & stepfather's convicts due to change of email address Lynne Central Coast NSW

Re posting my partner's & stepfather's convicts due to change of email address Lynne Central Coast NSW

Re posting my partner's & stepfather's convicts due to change of email address Lynne Central Coast NSW

Re posting my partner's & stepfather's convicts due to change of email address Lynne Central Coast NSW

Hi List Reposting my convicts as I have recently changed e-mail address Lynne Central Coast NSW

Hi LIst Reposting my maternal convicts due to change of e-mail address Lynne Central Coast NSW

Well with the Connolly sons the tangle continued, not with marriage but with who the sons worked for and the land the they later bought. It is an interesting insight into social contacts and family support networks. Elizabeth Roberts -----Original Message----- From: Charles Brennan [mailto:badgerb@clearmail.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 17 January 2009 9:10 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Mcginnis girls was Brown, Bushell etc Phew.........................I'm a great great grandson of Agnes and James. With all that going on I'm pleased I don't have six fingers. I suppose they didn't have much choice of a gene pool during that time or place. Charlie Brennan PS Actually I've had mine removed, you can't even see the scar;-)

Phew.........................I'm a great great grandson of Agnes and James. With all that going on I'm pleased I don't have six fingers. I suppose they didn't have much choice of a gene pool during that time or place. Charlie Brennan PS Actually I've had mine removed, you can't even see the scar;-)

Thanks everyone for your helpful suggestions. Nottingham does have the records, but it looks like I will have to pay someone to look them up. Some of the other court assizes records are on line, and I hope that these might be too. I'm off on holidays for six weeks tomorrow, so no opportunity to follow up all your kind suggestions till I get back, but many thanks for your help. Jeanette in tropical north Queensland where we have had so much rain we are growing webbed feet.

It gets interesting when you look at the McGinnis girls, father George per Britannia 1797. Agnes married James Connolly; Mary married David Brown son of David Brown convict who had married Eleanor Fleming; Phoebe married Joseph Fleming cousin of David Brown; Margaret married George Fleming brother of Joseph and cousin of David, Ann married Thomas Simpson Hall the uncle of Joseph and George Fleming, Maria married George Cobcroft, Catherine married Ebenezer Hall Brother of Thomas Simpson and uncle of Joseph and George Fleming; Sarah married William Brown brother of David and cousin of Joseph and George Fleming, Then Mary and David Brown's daughter Ann married Mathew Henry Hall who was the brother of Thomas Simpson and Ebenezer Hall, and uncle Joseph and George Fleming. This made Ann's Aunts also her sister-in -laws and nieces-in-laws. Regards Elizabeth Roberts -----Original Message----- From: Leith Davis [mailto:leithd@baonline.com.au] Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 12:06 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Brown, Bushell etc Joan I also have connections with John Benn and John MacDonald - their wife Eliza Griffin was my 4GGaunt according to PAF5 :) Her sister Ann Griffin (married Thomas Bates) was my gggg grandmother. I'm descended through the Pipers. Leith Davis -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 7:19 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Brown, Bushell etc Hi Lesley & Christine, It is quite a long time since I added my tuppence worth, but I have kept up with what is going on. David Brown & Paul Bushell plus Henry Greentree etc are ancestors of three of my grandchildren. Their lives were interwoven with several other Hawkesbury convict lines, but only marginally, I think, with my family's John Benn & John Macdonald of Pitt Town. These families make a fascinating study. Joan Edwards ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:44 AM

Hi Leith, I believe we corresponded many years ago - I think just after Lesley started this wonderful list. My late husband's line was Bates-Griffin via Maria, hence the connection to Lydia and to husbands John Benn & John Macdonald & Pitt Town. Cheers, Joan Edwards

Hi Lesley, Sorry, it was a fleeting thought at the conclusion of typing up of the info I had found before having to go out so I didn't stop to consider where the ship landed. I'm sure Jeanette will note your correction. I hope the other info was useful to her. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Nottingham Quarter Sessions > > Hi Lyn > > The Medway arrived in Tasmania in 1825 so no entry for John will be found > in the > 1828 NSW Census > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Stan > Elgood > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:48 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Nottingham Quarter Sessions > > > Hi Jeanette, > > Both William and John are listed on the Qld State Library convict website > as > follows: > > John Brentnall was one of 176 convicts who arrived on the Medway 28.7.1825 > AJCP microfilm ii HO/11/5 p.285. He is listed as convicted at Derby > Assizes for a term of life. > > William Brentnall is listed as one of 376 convicts on the Fairlie > dep.1.7.1833 arr. 14.10.1833. Convicted at Notts Qtr sessions AJCP > microfilm Roll 90 Piece No. HO11/9 p.241. > > You should be able to find info on John in the 1828 census on CD at many > libraries. > > In my case one of my convicts was tried at Hereford Quarter Sessions and I > contacted Herefordshire Council and was able to get details of his trial > for > about $36.00 (that was five years ago now) You could check Nottingham > Council's website and see if they have a family history section and make > enquiries. > > Good luck with your search > Lyn > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >