Hi All, I quite like the term "George's Travel Service" - strikes a humerous cord in me. All the best, to all the best - those who look after their convict ancestors and keep their memories and stories alive, for the Big Day tomorrow, and to Leslie who keeps our brains alert. Liz Lake Macquarie. Reg & Catherine Philps wrote: > Hi Lesley > Like Janice I too am descended from first fleet convict John Nichols [or > Nicholds & various other spellings] through his daughter Sophia. Unlike > Janice, my descent is via her legitimate husband [what is the symbol for > smugness on the internet?] Alexander Philp a young Scottish man who also > travelled to the Antipodes with the help of George's Travel Service. > Have a great Oz Day > Regards Reg Philps > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Greetings from the West Coast of Canada: Since 1983 I have been working (off and on) to connect Stephen into a branch - any branch!!!! - of my tree. I have quite a bit of information on him and his life, like most of the original settlers of your beautiful land, was quite remarkable. LeGrove is a relatively unusual surname and Stephen comes from the same part of East London that the rest of my LeGrove family comes from so I am sure there is a connection somewhere. Just don't have the bits and pieces of paper to prove it. But the search continues and what fun it is! Also great joy to read all the postings to this wonderful list. Hope you have all had a super Australia Day. Here the temperature was -30C at 9 a.m. so I settled down with hot chocolate and the Open from Melbourne and celebrated in my own way. Anne (LeGrove) Ireland

Hi Lesley Like Janice I too am descended from first fleet convict John Nichols [or Nicholds & various other spellings] through his daughter Sophia. Unlike Janice, my descent is via her legitimate husband [what is the symbol for smugness on the internet?] Alexander Philp a young Scottish man who also travelled to the Antipodes with the help of George's Travel Service. Have a great Oz Day Regards Reg Philps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Hi Lesley, >Margaret Kenny (age shown as 29 & 30) and John Berwick applied twice >to marry in >1836 at Maitland and this was approved, but no marriage resulted. They applied >through the Rev Rusden (C of E) Maitland. I had found 2 banns published and one application. These ages show Marg being born in 1806 as when she arrives at 24 in 1830. >Margaret Kenny (31yo) applied to marry Thomas Leathead (various spellings) in >1838 at Patrick Plains. Applied through Rev Hetherington (Presbyterian). A >marriage did result. Margaret is shown as being Free and that is not >correct as >she received her CoF in October 1839. Was this normal? If she was sentenced to 7 years in 1829 and didn't have any offences against her....? Again, 1806 birth fits. >Margaret Kenny (34yo) applied to marry Thomas Briggs in 1840. Applied through >Rev Hetherington (Presbyterian) at Patrick Plains. Both are shown as Free and >this is odd because by 1840 both would have been free by servitude so no need >for permission. A marriage resulted Perhaps they didn't know they didn't have to apply? Once more, exactly the same age as the original Margaret. And again in 1844 when she applies to marry COLLINS. However in VDL she is only 34 (b.1812?) when she marries William Leman (44) in 1846 instead of being 40. She has a daughter Mary in 1846 and dies in 1890 supposedly aged 92 (b.1798) >The Indent for the Asia (1830) notes only her Ticket of Leave No. 33/792 and >her Certificate of Freedom 39/1784 I've ordered the ToL through SAG The Cert of freedom must be got through NSW gov correct? >You would think that the Rev Hetherington OR the clerk who checked the records >prior to giving permission would have initially rejected the >marriage to Thomas >Briggs until proof of the death of Thomas Leathead was produced....... unless, >of course, if they are in fact 2 different people. It appears to me >so far that >there could be two or three who used the name Margaret Kenny I also thought that since Hetherington married her to Leathead and to Briggs he could well have known Leathead was dead even though the record hasn't survived? He also christens Leathead's daughter (and possibly only child) two days before the marriage to Briggs? Wait. Having just looked even closer I realise that I have Singleton Presbyterian Baptism (Index online, no idea where or what the originals are)- Elizabeth Leithead born 10-Sep-1839 Bapt 9-Feb-1841 Whittingham Prebyterian Baptism register (transcription from early church records) Elizabeth Leithead born 10-Jul-1839 Bapt 7-Feb-1841 Whittingham Prebyterian Marriage register (transcription from early church records) Thomas Briggs m Margaret Kenny (widow) 9-Feb-1841 The 7th was a Sunday, the 9th a Tuesday. I'm more inclined to think the differences are transcription errors and all the events were on the same day. My question is - why is she Kenny in the marriage? She is referred to as Margaret Leithead in the christening. Is it just a coincidence that someone with the same name as her got married the same day she christened her 18 month old? > >From what you sent me privately I cannot see a connection between > Margaret Kenny >and Thomas Briggs. Do any of the records you have show that this convict >actually married him? The only thing I know for sure is that Margaret had a daughter Catherine with her in Tas and she married William Leman in Tas. The connection with everyone else is because they are all claiming to be Margaret Kenny of the Asia. There are a few NSW Gazette reports of her in NSW, and of a Margaret M'kenna. Her daughter Catherine refers to herself as McKenna when she marries at 16. No RC ceremonies at all in the family in VDL.

Thanks for that information, Cathy. Norma South Coast Promotions wrote: > Edward is buried at Green Hills Windsor > Died/Buried 6 Jul 1802 > Probate: WHITTEN: NRS 2665 [5/1166] - 391 27 Jul 1802 > > Cathy Dunn > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [PJ] First Fleet - WHITTON > > > Hi all > > My gggggrandfather, Edward WHITTON (Whetton, Whittan, Witten), was > tried at Maidstone, Kent, in March 1783, for assault and highway > robbery. His death sentence was commuted to transportation life > imprisonment. Edward arrived aboard the Scarborough in 1788. He was > conditionally pardoned 4 June 1800 and held land on the Hawkesbury at > Windsor. His relationship with with Anne Slater (Queen, third fleet) > produced a son and daughter, Mary Ann, from whom I am descended. Edward > died c1802 and is believed buried in the Green Hills burial ground at > Windsor. > > Best wishes > > Norma > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Minuet, Well we certainly appear to have more than one person involved here. The Permissions to Marry show that (I checked the originals last night to ensure that I had transcribed them correctly - and I had). All the records state that this person or persons arrived on the Asia in 1830. Margaret Kenny (age shown as 29 & 30) and John Berwick applied twice to marry in 1836 at Maitland and this was approved, but no marriage resulted. They applied through the Rev Rusden (C of E) Maitland. Margaret Kenny (31yo) applied to marry Thomas Leathead (various spellings) in 1838 at Patrick Plains. Applied through Rev Hetherington (Presbyterian). A marriage did result. Margaret is shown as being Free and that is not correct as she received her CoF in October 1839. Margaret Kenny (34yo) applied to marry Thomas Briggs in 1840. Applied through Rev Hetherington (Presbyterian) at Patrick Plains. Both are shown as Free and this is odd because by 1840 both would have been free by servitude so no need for permission. A marriage resulted Margaret Kenny (38). Thomas Collins per Mariner applied to marry her in 1844 at West Maitland. He applied through the Rev. John Lynch (RC).A marriage resulted. The Indent for the Asia (1830) notes only her Ticket of Leave No. 33/792 and her Certificate of Freedom 39/1784 and it appears as though she did no wrong. If you check Mary Kennedy on that same Indent you will see that she received 3 months in the Female Factory from December 1836, 2 years in the 3rd Class of the factory etc etc You would think that the Rev Hetherington OR the clerk who checked the records prior to giving permission would have initially rejected the marriage to Thomas Briggs until proof of the death of Thomas Leathead was produced....... unless, of course, if they are in fact 2 different people. It appears to me so far that there could be two or three who used the name Margaret Kenny You said that one of the children between Thomas Briggs and Margaret Kenny was born about 1843 but if Margaret was already serving a colonial sentence in VDL then perhaps this is another family altogether. >From what you sent me privately I cannot see a connection between Margaret Kenny and Thomas Briggs. Do any of the records you have show that this convict actually married him? As you say it is odd that she took one child, Catherine, (and, for whom you cannot find a record) to VDL with her and not one of the other much younger children. Why have all of the other children baptised and not Catherine..... and as you say, why then a catholic baptism when both parties are protestants! Have you obtained her Ticket of Leave and her Certificate of Freedom at all? There was another convict on that transport who we should look at: Bridget McCanna (McCunna), RC and about 29 years of age on arrival. She received her Certificate of Freedom in 1840. No TOL recorded on the Indent. She was given permission to marry in 1831 in Hawkesbury but I can find no record of this marriage in the BDMs. Whenever I see the name Bridget on convict records I have found that you can sometimes substitute it for many other Christian names - although many convicts changed their names it was more common with the Irish to do so. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Minuet Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:03 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] KENNY, BRIGGS & help pls Thanks Lesley, nice to have another brain on it, I've sent her AOT record off list, but she was sent to VDL for stealing (again). It seems to be fairly clear on who she is from Sydney. I haven't however found an indent with the same info on it, only a few lines listing her arrival and original sentence and "how disposed of". Is there another record I should be looking for? I doubt she returned to NSW. In 1842 she put her daughter in the orphanage. In 1845 she picked her up again. In 1846 she married a free convict. (Saying she was 34 so b.1812) In 1847 she has a daughter Mary (in Tas) In 1890 she dies, supposedly aged 92 but neoither daughter nor husband is alive at the time so don't know who gave that info. thoroughly confused, Minuet

Edward is buried at Green Hills Windsor Died/Buried 6 Jul 1802 Probate: WHITTEN: NRS 2665 [5/1166] - 391 27 Jul 1802 Cathy Dunn -----Original Message----- Subject: [PJ] First Fleet - WHITTON Hi all My gggggrandfather, Edward WHITTON (Whetton, Whittan, Witten), was tried at Maidstone, Kent, in March 1783, for assault and highway robbery. His death sentence was commuted to transportation life imprisonment. Edward arrived aboard the Scarborough in 1788. He was conditionally pardoned 4 June 1800 and held land on the Hawkesbury at Windsor. His relationship with with Anne Slater (Queen, third fleet) produced a son and daughter, Mary Ann, from whom I am descended. Edward died c1802 and is believed buried in the Green Hills burial ground at Windsor. Best wishes Norma

Hi all My gggggrandfather, Edward WHITTON (Whetton, Whittan, Witten), was tried at Maidstone, Kent, in March 1783, for assault and highway robbery. His death sentence was commuted to transportation life imprisonment. Edward arrived aboard the Scarborough in 1788. He was conditionally pardoned 4 June 1800 and held land on the Hawkesbury at Windsor. His relationship with with Anne Slater (Queen, third fleet) produced a son and daughter, Mary Ann, from whom I am descended. Edward died c1802 and is believed buried in the Green Hills burial ground at Windsor. Many others have researched Edward and I am very grateful for their generosity in sharing their findings with me. See Ray Lane's excellent work at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lanehistory/whitton.htm <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Elanehistory/whitton.htm> Best wishes Norma

BLOODSWORTH (Bloodsworth) JAMES (d. 1804 ), master bricklayer and builder, was living in Kingston-on-Thames, England, in 1785 when sentenced to seven years transportation. In 1788 he was taken to Australia in the First Fleet in the "CHARLOTTE" and was immediately appointed Master Bricklayer in the settlement at Sydney Cove. Since there were no architects in the fleet he was largely responsible for the design and erection of Australias first buildings, although the Army and Navy officers in the settlement had some knowledge of Architecture. Besides designing many private houses, Bloodsworth can be credited with the first Government House, which lasted from 1788 to 1845, and in 1790 the storehouse at Kings Wharf on the shore of Sydney Cove. Governor Phillip praised "the pains he had taken to teach others the business of a bricklayer", and his conduct was exemplary at a time when most convicts were noted for indolence and rebelliousness. Bloodsworth worked under difficulties; although there were competent bricklayers amoung the convicts, they had no proper mortar to bind the bricks together. For the walls of Government House some lime mortar was obtained by burning shells, but elsewhere mud-mortar had to be used. This was far from satisfactory, but by adapting his construction methods to these crude conditions he produced servicable buildings, which were by no means unseemly, because he was working within the long established rules of Georgian architecture. My gr gr gr grandfather Thomas Bray married Ann Bloodsworth his daughter in St. Phillips Sydney 30 Aug 1819. Cheers Rhonda

Thanks Lesley, nice to have another brain on it, I've sent her AOT record off list, but she was sent to VDL for stealing (again). It seems to be fairly clear on who she is from Sydney. I haven't however found an indent with the same info on it, only a few lines listing her arrival and original sentence and "how disposed of". Is there another record I should be looking for? I doubt she returned to NSW. In 1842 she put her daughter in the orphanage. In 1845 she picked her up again. In 1846 she married a free convict. (Saying she was 34 so b.1812) In 1847 she has a daughter Mary (in Tas) In 1890 she dies, supposedly aged 92 but neoither daughter nor husband is alive at the time so don't know who gave that info. thoroughly confused, Minuet At 03:01 PM 24/01/2009, you wrote: >Hi again > >Just thinking this one through. > >Perhaps she was charged with bigamy ?? and sent to VDL. > >Have you checked her records at the AOT? Did she receive a pardon of any >description a couple of years after being transported there? and then perhaps >returned to NSW. > >The only problems with that are: > >1. She stated she was free by servitude in 1844.... perhaps she may have >conveniently forgotten her few years in Tassie. > >2. There is nothing noted on the Indent about a colonial crime > > >regards > > Lesley Uebel >

Hello to all, My First Fleeters were - NATHANIEL LUCAS OLIVIA GASCOIGNE EDWARD GOODIN JAMES SQUIRE Regards, Mary

Happy Australia Day to each of you and especially Lesley.    Thanks for organising and maintaining such an informative site for us.   William & Mary Douglas nee Groves are my First Fleeters too.  My family line comes through their 3rd grandson, Richard Jurd & Johanna Sheehy.  William & Mary are our 4th great grandparents.    We are very proud of our Convict Heritage.    Still researching their descendants on the JURD & associated families.  Notice of our next reunion will be posted in a separate email.   Best wishes   Peter  Peter Stewart researching Jurd, Stewart & Associated families OUR OTHER SENSES ARE INCOMPLETE WITHOUT A SIXTH SENSE: A SENSE OF HUMOUR.     Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox

Hi all, I'm also descended from Robert Forrester. He was tried in Middlesex in 1783 for stealing gold coin to the value of six guineas, along with Richard McDale. Robert was sentenced to death, but this was later changed to being sent to the colony to serve 7 years. And I have too have just received Louise Wilson's book on him, and can't wait to get into it. She has done a fantastic job! Cheers, Jenni South Australia

Hi again Just thinking this one through. Perhaps she was charged with bigamy ?? and sent to VDL. Have you checked her records at the AOT? Did she receive a pardon of any description a couple of years after being transported there? and then perhaps returned to NSW. The only problems with that are: 1. She stated she was free by servitude in 1844.... perhaps she may have conveniently forgotten her few years in Tassie. 2. There is nothing noted on the Indent about a colonial crime regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Minuet Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:22 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] KENNY, BRIGGS & help pls Lesley, Were there two Margaret Kennys on the Asia? Margaret Kemney (later Kenny when she marries in Tas and Kenny in the orphanage records) arrived on the Marion Watson in 1841, per Asia to NSW. Minuet

Minuet, There was only one Margaret Kenny on board the Asia. There were a few different ships named "Asia" that transported convicts, but only one of them carried females. There was a Mary Henry alias Kenny on that transport, but the indent states she died at sea in 1829. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Minuet Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:22 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] KENNY, BRIGGS & help pls Lesley, Were there two Margaret Kennys on the Asia? Margaret Kemney (later Kenny when she marries in Tas and Kenny in the orphanage records) arrived on the Marion Watson in 1841, per Asia to NSW. Minuet

Hello Yes that is what i meant ..and it was my confused state ....lol again thanks Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] First Fleet > Hi Michelle > > I am not quite sure I understand your question.... perhaps it is the heat > :) > > Do you mean the Port Jackson Archives for this mailing list? URL below > > http://tinyurl.com/5jacyn > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Michelle > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:44 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] First Fleet > > > Hello > > Sadly I have no First Fleet connection ...but I have been facinated by the > emails that people have been sending about their family members. > > A question .... I cannot work out how i get into the message board in > rootsweb > again ... is there a direct link > > Michelle Herbert > Central Coast > NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lesley, Were there two Margaret Kennys on the Asia? Margaret Kemney (later Kenny when she marries in Tas and Kenny in the orphanage records) arrived on the Marion Watson in 1841, per Asia to NSW. Minuet At 11:34 AM 24/01/2009, you wrote: >Hi > >Are you certain she was sent to Tassie in 1841...... as she married again in >West Maitland in 1844. At this time she stated she was free by servitude. > >Thomas Collins, convict per the Mariner applied for permission to marry her in >1844 and I note that this marriage went ahead that same year. > >Regards > >

Hi Michelle I am not quite sure I understand your question.... perhaps it is the heat :) Do you mean the Port Jackson Archives for this mailing list? URL below http://tinyurl.com/5jacyn Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michelle Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:44 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] First Fleet Hello Sadly I have no First Fleet connection ...but I have been facinated by the emails that people have been sending about their family members. A question .... I cannot work out how i get into the message board in rootsweb again ... is there a direct link Michelle Herbert Central Coast NSW

Hi Are you certain she was sent to Tassie in 1841...... as she married again in West Maitland in 1844. At this time she stated she was free by servitude. Thomas Collins, convict per the Mariner applied for permission to marry her in 1844 and I note that this marriage went ahead that same year. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Minuet Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:00 AM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] KENNY, BRIGGS & help pls Hi all, Sorry, this is long, but there's no easy way to tell the story. This woman is driving me nuts. Margaret KENNY age 24 arrived on the Asia 1830 to NSW sentenced to 7 years for stealing cloth. In 1836 (still on bond) she applied to marry John BERWICK (ToL) of the Champion. It was approved but only 2 banns were published and no marriage is registered. In 1838 she (free) applied to marry Thomas LEATHEAD convict of the Layton (free). Presbyterian Marriages solemnized in the Parish of Whittingham in the County of Northumberland, New South Wales in the Year 1838 DATE OF MARRIAGE 15 September 1838 PLACE OF MARRIAGE Dalswinton GROOM Thomas Leithead of Merton BRIDE Margaret Kenny of Merton WITNESSES IO Pagan and James Edwards MINISTER Irving Hetherington of Patrick's Plains, minister of Saint Andrew's Church In 1839 the same minister baptises: NAME Elizabeth Leithead BAPTISM 7th February 1841 BIRTHDATE 10th July 1839 FATHER Thomas Leithead ABODE Dalswinton QUALITY OR PROFESSION Servant MOTHER Margaret Leithead PLACE Parish of Whittingham, County of Northumberland (This child is again baptised on 9 Feb 1841 with a birthdate of 10 Sep 1839 according to the Singleton Presbyterian Church registers.) In Nov 1840 Margaret KENNY (not Leithead) (free) of the Asia, spinster applies to marry Thomas BRIGGS convict of the Florentia (free) bachelor. Presbyterian Marriages in the Parish of Whittingham in the County of Northumberland New South Wales in the year 1841 GROOM Thomas Briggs (his x mark) STATUS Widower of Hunter River BRIDE Margaret Kenny (her x mark) STATUS Widow of Hunter River DATE OF MARRIAGE Ninth day of February 1841 PLACE OF MARRIAGE Singleton RELIGION Presbyterian WITNESSES Thomas H Robinson and Andrew Smith MINISTER Irving Hetherington of Patrick's Plains, minister of Saint Andrew's Church Now it gets complicated... 3 children are baptised in NSW to Thomas Briggs and Margaret. Sarah BRIGGS Bapt 13 Mar 1842 born 20 Sep 1841 (mother's maiden name not stated) CoE Parish of Althorpe, County of Durham minister John Morse chaplain of Scone & surrounds. Henry BRIGGS bapt 3 Nov 1844 born late 1841? (mother Margaret Kenny) Roman Catholic West Maitland Parish. Alice BRIGGS bapt 3 Nov 1844 born Sep/Oct 1843? (mother Margaret Kenny) Roman Catholic West Maitland Parish. But... Margaret Kenny is sentenced to transportation to VDL for 7 years 17 Nov 1841 and arrives 12 Dec 1841. With her apparently is her 3 year old daughter Catherine (born NSW 1838/39 according to death cert). So, having been searching for this woman for 23 years, have I really found TWO Margaret KENNY who marry two Thomas BRIGGS? Did Thomas Briggs, a protestant convict change to RC after Marg was transported, marry another Margaret and have more children? Where is Catherine's birth?????? Why did she leave Elizabeth behind but bring Catherine with her? Where is Thomas Leithead's death? Any suggestions welcomed. Minuet