> 7. Re: A man in a thousand. (Lesley Uebel) Without wishing to minimise Gov Phillips' magnificent achievements in a starving new colony, my money has always been on Lachlan Macquarie as the one who lifted a rebellious, poorly managed Colony, controlled by the NSW (Rum) Corps and turned it into a society where, among other things,emancipists had a chance. H is achievements are recognised in Governor Marie Bashir's magnificent (in delivery and content) address on Australia Day. Go to http://www.abc.net.au/rn/breakfast/stories/2009/2470703.htm for text and/or repeat. frank M

Yes If we were really serious about looking after Australia, the enviroment & the planet. The aboriginals lived here for thousands of years with little impact on the enviroment. The convicts may have learnt something from the aboriginals, but nothing has been passed down to us, except a few words like 'yakka' for work. If the convicts & there minders had learnt to live with the environment instead of against it, imagine how different it all could be today. There has been lots of talk about changing Australia Day ?? Perhaps we could use Australia Day to enbrace the aboriginal culture & learn something from then. Perhaps we could start by accepting what we have & not looking for what we don't have. This is part of the white mans burden, trying to carry more then what is available. We all could live with a lot less & be a lot happier, too. The Aboriginals could not have been wrong for 40,000 years. But we have certainly got it all wrong in the last 200 years. Cheers Col ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Eglitis" <muffy15@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > Obviously! Do you think they could all live in bark humpys and live on > goannas? > > Muffy.

John, it seems to me that the history and the fate of the Sydney region Aboriginals is intertwined with that of the Port Jackson convicts. Down my own First Fleet line (two black men) there were many marriages both formal and informal into the aboriginal community. These are clearly documented in: "The Parramatta Native Institution and the Black Town: A History" Brook, J and Kohen, J l, ISBN 086840 284 2 and "The Darug and their neighbours : the traditional Aboriginal owners of the Sydney region" by James Kohen, 1993. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:07 PM, John Caling <jcaling@bigpond.com> wrote: > I believe this list relates to Port Jackson convicts, not Port Jackson or > Fraser Island aboriginals. Nor is it the correct forum to vent personal > views on aboriginals unless they were convicts held in Port Jackson. > > I for one do not appreciate the inappropriate views expressed in this > thread. > > Lesley ??? > > John Caling > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brett > Hadden > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:49 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > They were the Purist of all on Fraser Island...then they fed them Alcohol & > Killed them! > BH > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray > Fairall > Sent: Monday, 26 January 2009 7:37 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > The Aboriginals of the greater Sydney region probably had a more nutritious > and varied diet than most in Europe at the time. Studies in the Northern > Territory in the 1930's showed that the Aboriginals there were healthier, > happier and better fed than the average member of the English Working > class. > > The culture of the local tribes which had been sustained since the seas > rose > to their present heights, was destroyed by disease and alcohol within a > decade. > > Ray. > > (Descendant of John Randall and John Martin, Alexander 1788).. > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Barbara Eglitis > <muffy15@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > > > Obviously! Do you think they could all live in bark humpys and live > > on goannas? > > > > Muffy. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "COLIN BORROTT-MALONEY" <colinbm1@bigpond.com> > > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > > > > The infrastructure was already in place for the original inhabitants. > > > Everything that was needed to sustain life was already in place for > > > them > > ! > > > It was the white mans burden that had to be carried out to here ! > > > Cheers > > > Col > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > > > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > > > > > >> Hi Valerie, Thank you > > >> > > >> Governor Phillip was certainly one of our better Governors and his > > >> job made all that more difficult, arriving as they did with no > > >> infrastructure in place. > > >> > > >> regards > > >> > > >> > > >> Lesley Uebel > > >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > >> CLAIM A CONVICT > > >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > > >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > > >> valerie.williams > > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:23 PM > > >> To: PJ Convicts > > >> Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > >> > > >> > > >> Dear Lesley, > > >> > > >> I agree with you about Captain Arthur Phillip, he really is the > > >> Father > > of > > >> Our Nation and doesn't receive the recognition he deserves. > > >> > > >> Thank you for taking the time to type up the information from HRA > > >> for > > our > > >> list. I really enjoyed it > > >> > > >> Valerie Williams > > >> Mollymook NSW > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> __________ NOD32 3797 (20090124) Information __________ > > >> > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >> http://www.eset.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Phil There is quite a bit of information available about him in the Colonial Sec. Index on the NSW State Records web site at: http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/staterecords/welcome_to_state_records_nsw_1556.asp He also has quite a few mentions in the Sydney Gazette at: http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Phil Butler Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:47 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] LAWLESS Hi folks, not normally on this list as mine are primarily Tassy convicts but have a friend who is looking into Francis Lawless, Boyd 1809. Any information on this chap would be most appreciated. I have found a few things about his crime but not too much more. rgds Phil.....

I just got the missing part of Margaret Kenny's Tas convict record, a listing which states she is 4/11 in height. Not bad for a woman who arrived in NSW 11 years earlier as 5' 6 1/2" I've heard of people getting shorter as they age, but this is ridiculous. ---------- *Earth is the insane asylum for the universe* ----------

This thread has now gone way off topic. If you wish to continue in an off topic manner then you will find you will soon be talking to yourself. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au

John, well said...it's all looking very bad for the Kings & Queens of England, and we are the midrange being taken for! BH -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Bushell Sent: Monday, 26 January 2009 10:10 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough June and Minuet, Perhaps we could have a thread on the most unlikely stories that our ancestors came up with in their defence. In all cases it would be unsuccessful defence, because if their defence was a success they would not have joined the select company at Port Jackson. My ancestor was done for absconding with money that his employer gave him to pay a creditor. He claimed he was only taking what was rightfully his because he had not been paid for about three months. Not accepted, take an assisted passage to PJ son. Best regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "june robinson" <therobos2@tadaust.org.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough > thanksfor that Minuet, Joseph is in my family m Eleanor Gott. I come in > with > the Hackett Side. > June Qld > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Minuet" <minuet9@internode.on.net> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough > > >> He was just strolling along with 218 pounds of lead in a basket? >> About 100 kilos.... that someone threw at him??? Did he take >> up weightlifting later? *G* >> >> Minuet >> >> >>>"..feloniously stealing on the 6th May, two hundred and eighteen pounds >>>weight of lead, value 40s belonging to William Rothwell, fixed to a >>>certain >>>building there situate against the statute" >>> >>>In defence Joseph replied " I was going to Knightsbridge, a man had this >>>basket, and he threw it down, and I was carrying it home with an intent >>>to >>>advertise it". >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: > 1/26/2009 > 6:37 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John would be a good idea, June Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bushell" <bush@cbn.net.id> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough > June and Minuet, > > Perhaps we could have a thread on the most unlikely stories that our > ancestors came up with in their defence. In all cases it would be > unsuccessful defence, because if their defence was a success they would > not > have joined the select company at Port Jackson. > > My ancestor was done for absconding with money that his employer gave him > to > pay a creditor. He claimed he was only taking what was rightfully his > because he had not been paid for about three months. Not accepted, take > an > assisted passage to PJ son. > > Best regards, > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "june robinson" <therobos2@tadaust.org.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough > > >> thanksfor that Minuet, Joseph is in my family m Eleanor Gott. I come in >> with >> the Hackett Side. >> June Qld >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Minuet" <minuet9@internode.on.net> >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough >> >> >>> He was just strolling along with 218 pounds of lead in a basket? >>> About 100 kilos.... that someone threw at him??? Did he take >>> up weightlifting later? *G* >>> >>> Minuet >>> >>> >>>>"..feloniously stealing on the 6th May, two hundred and eighteen pounds >>>>weight of lead, value 40s belonging to William Rothwell, fixed to a >>>>certain >>>>building there situate against the statute" >>>> >>>>In defence Joseph replied " I was going to Knightsbridge, a man had this >>>>basket, and he threw it down, and I was carrying it home with an intent >>>>to >>>>advertise it". >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: >> 1/26/2009 >> 6:37 PM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: 1/26/2009 6:37 PM

They were the Purist of all on Fraser Island...then they fed them Alcohol & Killed them! BH -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Fairall Sent: Monday, 26 January 2009 7:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. The Aboriginals of the greater Sydney region probably had a more nutritious and varied diet than most in Europe at the time. Studies in the Northern Territory in the 1930's showed that the Aboriginals there were healthier, happier and better fed than the average member of the English Working class. The culture of the local tribes which had been sustained since the seas rose to their present heights, was destroyed by disease and alcohol within a decade. Ray. (Descendant of John Randall and John Martin, Alexander 1788).. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Barbara Eglitis <muffy15@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Obviously! Do you think they could all live in bark humpys and live on > goannas? > > Muffy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COLIN BORROTT-MALONEY" <colinbm1@bigpond.com> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > The infrastructure was already in place for the original inhabitants. > > Everything that was needed to sustain life was already in place for them > ! > > It was the white mans burden that had to be carried out to here ! > > Cheers > > Col > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > > >> Hi Valerie, Thank you > >> > >> Governor Phillip was certainly one of our better Governors and his job > >> made all > >> that more difficult, arriving as they did with no infrastructure in > >> place. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> > >> Lesley Uebel > >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > >> CLAIM A CONVICT > >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > >> valerie.williams > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:23 PM > >> To: PJ Convicts > >> Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > >> > >> > >> Dear Lesley, > >> > >> I agree with you about Captain Arthur Phillip, he really is the Father > of > >> Our Nation and doesn't receive the recognition he deserves. > >> > >> Thank you for taking the time to type up the information from HRA for > our > >> list. I really enjoyed it > >> > >> Valerie Williams > >> Mollymook NSW > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3797 (20090124) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thanksfor that Minuet, Joseph is in my family m Eleanor Gott. I come in with the Hackett Side. June Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Minuet" <minuet9@internode.on.net> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough > He was just strolling along with 218 pounds of lead in a basket? > About 100 kilos.... that someone threw at him??? Did he take > up weightlifting later? *G* > > Minuet > > >>"..feloniously stealing on the 6th May, two hundred and eighteen pounds >>weight of lead, value 40s belonging to William Rothwell, fixed to a >>certain >>building there situate against the statute" >> >>In defence Joseph replied " I was going to Knightsbridge, a man had this >>basket, and he threw it down, and I was carrying it home with an intent to >>advertise it". > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: 1/26/2009 6:37 PM

I believe this list relates to Port Jackson convicts, not Port Jackson or Fraser Island aboriginals. Nor is it the correct forum to vent personal views on aboriginals unless they were convicts held in Port Jackson. I for one do not appreciate the inappropriate views expressed in this thread. Lesley ??? John Caling -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brett Hadden Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:49 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. They were the Purist of all on Fraser Island...then they fed them Alcohol & Killed them! BH -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Fairall Sent: Monday, 26 January 2009 7:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. The Aboriginals of the greater Sydney region probably had a more nutritious and varied diet than most in Europe at the time. Studies in the Northern Territory in the 1930's showed that the Aboriginals there were healthier, happier and better fed than the average member of the English Working class. The culture of the local tribes which had been sustained since the seas rose to their present heights, was destroyed by disease and alcohol within a decade. Ray. (Descendant of John Randall and John Martin, Alexander 1788).. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Barbara Eglitis <muffy15@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Obviously! Do you think they could all live in bark humpys and live > on goannas? > > Muffy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COLIN BORROTT-MALONEY" <colinbm1@bigpond.com> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > The infrastructure was already in place for the original inhabitants. > > Everything that was needed to sustain life was already in place for > > them > ! > > It was the white mans burden that had to be carried out to here ! > > Cheers > > Col > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > > >> Hi Valerie, Thank you > >> > >> Governor Phillip was certainly one of our better Governors and his > >> job made all that more difficult, arriving as they did with no > >> infrastructure in place. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> > >> Lesley Uebel > >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > >> CLAIM A CONVICT > >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > >> valerie.williams > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:23 PM > >> To: PJ Convicts > >> Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > >> > >> > >> Dear Lesley, > >> > >> I agree with you about Captain Arthur Phillip, he really is the > >> Father > of > >> Our Nation and doesn't receive the recognition he deserves. > >> > >> Thank you for taking the time to type up the information from HRA > >> for > our > >> list. I really enjoyed it > >> > >> Valerie Williams > >> Mollymook NSW > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3797 (20090124) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mitchell Library Manuscripts A109 (Film CY738) - p.p. 9-13 Title Page: Copy of the Depositions of Lydia McDonald and John Robinson McVeagh - William and Jane Roberts for an assault. Before D'arcy Wentworth 1818 New South Wales. To Wit: Before D'arcy Wentworth, Esq., One of His Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the Territory. Lydia Macdonald, wife of John Macdonald of Pitt Water in the Territory of New South Wales, Settler, and John Robinson McVeagh, Servant to the said Lydia Macdonald, severally make oath and say And first this Deponent, the said Lydia Macdonald for herself saith That ever since the decease of her late Husband, John Benn; William Roberts of Hunter Street, Sydney and Jane Roberts, his wife, have taken every occasion to insult and abuse this Deponent and with the most horrid Oaths have used such threatening Language that she has been constantly in a State of Alarm and unable to proceed peacefully in her lawful Affairs when in Sydney and she positively saith that She always underground to avoid the said William Roberts and his wife and did not (do) anything whatever to provoke them. And this Deponent further saith that on her return home the last time she was in Sydney, namely on Saturday the Thirteenth day of December, last, She was attacked by the said William Roberts in a manner that gives her the greatest apprehension as to her personal safety. She was proceeding in her one-horse Chaise with her infant Child in her arms and the other Deponent was driving the Chaise; when they arrived near Colonel Johnson's Estate on the Parramatta Road, they were met by the said William Roberts, who coming towards Sydney with his Son in a Chaise - And this Deponent further saith that the said William Roberts drew up his Chaise towards this Deponent and as soon as he came close to the side of her, the said William Roberts stopped his Chaise, drew out a Pistol, presents it at this Deponent and with Oaths and the most offensive and indecent Language said: "You Bloody Whore. I'll blow your brains out. You shan't go any further." Upon which the Son of the said William Roberts pilled his Father's arm back and drove on, but the said William Roberts continued to use the most insulting, indecent and threatening Language. And this Deponent further saith that about a fortnight ago as this Deponent was sitting in her own house at Pitt Town, She heard a great noise out of doors, and supposing that some of her Men were quarrelling, She went out when She found the said William Roberts standing on the outside of the paling, but upon her own Estate using the most horrid Oaths and Imprecations accusing this Deponent of Murdering her former Husband and applying the most indecent, offensive and insulting language to her. And this Deponent further saith That She doth not make this Complaint against the said William Roberts with any hatred, malice or ill-will which She hath xxxx towards him, but mostly for the preservation of her Life and of her Person from bodily harm. And this Deponent the said John Robinson McVeagh for himself saith that he was with the said Lydia Macdonald on the Parramatta Road when She was attacked by the said William Roberts in the manner herein before stated, who presented the Pistol and used the Languages before set forth. Sworn before me this 9th day of February, 1818. "Signed" D Wentworth. JP "Signed" Lydia McDonald "Signed" John Robinson McVeagh ________________________________________________________________________ Title Page: The King v W Roberts Affidavits of Mr John Grono, William Roberts The Elder and W Roberts, the Younger. New South Wales. John Grono of Pit Town, Mariner and William Roberts the elder of Hunter Street and William Roberts the Younger, severally make Oath And first that Deponent, John Grono for himself saith that he accompanied the said William Roberts when they passed the House of Lydia Macdonald at Pitt Town and saith they were both on horseback and kept moving, that the said William Roberts was somewhat in liquor and as they passed the House he called out and made a load calling. And saith they passed the house before the said Lydia Macdonald came out and when she came out of her house, the said William Roberts was not standing outside the paling as falsely stated by the said Lydia Macdonald. Nor did the said William Roberts at that time use any Oath or did he then accuse he said Lydia Macdonald with murdering her former husband or did words of any such tendency pass. And if such words happened, this Deponent must have heard them. And this Deponent saith the words made use of by the said William Roberts where he halloed out as they were riding by the house together imported to be about a Sow and were by him thrice times repeated. And as an instance that this Deponent cannot be mistaken. This Deponent saith when they were gone by the house on the Road, this Deponent saith to the said William Roberts , I saw no Sow, what do you mean, or words to that effect. And when the said Lydia Macdonald came out of her house, the said William Roberts had passed it and was on the Road with this Deponent. And this Deponent, William Roberts, the Younger, for himself Saith that on a Saturday and which the Deponent believes might be the thirteenth day of December last, his father and this Deponent being at the halfway house, a Pistol was offered to this Deponent for Sale. And this Deponent took the Pistol to Show his Mother, to know if she would buy it for this Deponent. And as they were coming on the Road near Colonel Johnson's, the Pistol was laid on his Father's lap in the Chaise and seeing a woman, in a Chaise, at a distance, before they came to meet the said William Roberts, the Elder, asked this Deponent if that was not Mrs Frank on-coming. And this Deponent saith that his father is very deaf and as this Deponent believes, did not hear the answer this Deponent made. But they kept on the side of the Road, moving on towards Sydney and Mrs Macdonald was on the other side moving towards Parramatta. And saith the said William Roberts called out Mrs Franks, would you be robbed, showing the Butt end of the Pistol. And this Deponent seeing it was not Mrs Franks kept Mr Roberts' Chaise moving on. When the Man that was with Mrs McD. Came from her Chaise across to the other side of the Road, this Deponent was driving his father's Chaise across to the side of the road this Deponent was driving. And in a xxxx xxx xx as if to fight. And saith the said Mr Roberts did not draw up Closer to the Chaise of Mrs Macdonald that convenient to pass the Road and were some yards xxxxx of the other's Chaise as they passed and the Chaise was kept moving. Nor did the said William Roberts make use of the words "You bloody whore. I'll blow your brains out. You shan't go any further." Or did he make use of words to any such xxx like purport. And Saith that if any such words had been used this Deponent could not but hear them. And Saith this Deponent seeing his Father's mistake of the person and knowing the great ill-will the said Lydia Macdonald had to this Deponent's Father. This Deponent was the more careful to get on to passing. And that when they had passed this Deponent Said to his Father: "Didn't you know who that was?" When he replied: "I thought it was Mrs Franks." An then this Deponent then told him it was Mrs Benn. And from what's passed between this Deponent and his Father , he, this Deponent, is fully convinced that he, the said William Roberts, until after he had passed the said Mrs Macdonald's Chaise on the Road and until they had passed a considerable distance, the said William Roberts, the Elder, did not know that the said Mrs Macdonald was the person which they met. And this Deponent William Roberts for himself saith that when he met the said Lydia Macdonald in the Chaise on the Parramatta Road he took her to be a Mrs Franks, a particular friend and Acquaintance of this Deponent. Nor did he know to the contrary until the Chaise had passed some distance on the Road when his son told him who it was. And saith he did not make use of such words as set forth in the Affidavit of the said Lydia Macdonald or words of any such import. Nor did this Deponent, or his son, drive his Chaise from the side of the Road they were going upon nearer to the side of the road that Mrs Macdonald's Chaise was on, Save for passing in the usual manner. And this Deponent Saith that when he was passing the house of the said Lydia Macdonald at Pitt Town, he was in company with Mr John Grono. And this Deponent did not go out of the Road or stand on the outside of the Paling of the said Lydia or did this Deponent use any Oath or Oaths at that time, or accuse the said Lydia Macdonald of murdering her former husband or use any words tending to such accusations as most untruly sworn by the said Lydia Macdonald. Sworn at the New General Hospital this ----- day of February. 1818 before -------. ----------------------------------------------- Regards Betty Candy Sydney, Australia From: "Shirley McLeod" <shirlmac@bigpond.com> To: AUS-NSW-HILLS-HAWKESBURY-HUNTER-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: [HHHV] MacDonald River I was asked the question after whom the MacDonald River and Valley were named. I believe that it was the convict turned bushranger John MacDonald but can't find that exactly Hi Shirley He was a former convict but unsure about the 'bushranger' bit I have a copy of Mrs HUTTON-NEVEs book ' Forgotten Valley' a history of the McDonald Valley. In this she says it wasn't named for nearly 40 yrs after is discovery . It is said that in the early days of the colony there lived not far from Pitt Town a wealthy widow who owned a valuable farm. Among her employees was a fine up-standing, good looking young man of splendid character, named John MCDONALD. Was not long before this worthy widow had wedded him and 2 sons were born , George & William I had a poke around some records since the BDMs for this period are a bit sparse In the 1828 census they had 4 children. John McDonald was per Guilford 1806 FBS. Lydia was 38 yrs old Born in Colony . Found a marriage of a Lydia BENN to John Mc DONALD 1817. Castlereagh. There is no baptism of any Lydia born c 1790 . Earliest is a Lydia CLARKE 1798. Maybe an older child when baptised ? . 1806 Muster gives ref to a John BENN per 'Gorgon' 1806 out on the Hawkesbury Free by servitude. No BENN marriage to any Lydia. No burial record of any John BENN. There is an admin ref in the Probate index to a John BENN series 1 so its an early one but the date is blank This is a very interesting book .......... Be a good one to be re-printed . I picked my copy up ages ago 2nd hand Marg M Beautiful Central Coast of NSW Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <famhist@celebrantnetwork.org> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 22 > Hi Betty, > I have not looked at that line for some years but have nothing about > a court case with William & Jane Roberts. When, where etc was it? > Regards > Joan > >> >> Do you know about the court case between Lydia Benn/Macdonald and >> William >> and Jane Roberts? >> Regards >> Betty Candy >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi folks, not normally on this list as mine are primarily Tassy convicts but have a friend who is looking into Francis Lawless, Boyd 1809. Any information on this chap would be most appreciated. I have found a few things about his crime but not too much more. rgds Phil..... JILLETT, BRADSHAW, BUTLER, JACKSON, CLARK(e), BOWDEN, OXLEY, HEATHER, LANCASTER, CRANSTON

The Aboriginals of the greater Sydney region probably had a more nutritious and varied diet than most in Europe at the time. Studies in the Northern Territory in the 1930's showed that the Aboriginals there were healthier, happier and better fed than the average member of the English Working class. The culture of the local tribes which had been sustained since the seas rose to their present heights, was destroyed by disease and alcohol within a decade. Ray. (Descendant of John Randall and John Martin, Alexander 1788).. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Barbara Eglitis <muffy15@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Obviously! Do you think they could all live in bark humpys and live on > goannas? > > Muffy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "COLIN BORROTT-MALONEY" <colinbm1@bigpond.com> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > The infrastructure was already in place for the original inhabitants. > > Everything that was needed to sustain life was already in place for them > ! > > It was the white mans burden that had to be carried out to here ! > > Cheers > > Col > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > > > >> Hi Valerie, Thank you > >> > >> Governor Phillip was certainly one of our better Governors and his job > >> made all > >> that more difficult, arriving as they did with no infrastructure in > >> place. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> > >> Lesley Uebel > >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > >> CLAIM A CONVICT > >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > >> valerie.williams > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:23 PM > >> To: PJ Convicts > >> Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > >> > >> > >> Dear Lesley, > >> > >> I agree with you about Captain Arthur Phillip, he really is the Father > of > >> Our Nation and doesn't receive the recognition he deserves. > >> > >> Thank you for taking the time to type up the information from HRA for > our > >> list. I really enjoyed it > >> > >> Valerie Williams > >> Mollymook NSW > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> __________ NOD32 3797 (20090124) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Obviously! Do you think they could all live in bark humpys and live on goannas? Muffy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLIN BORROTT-MALONEY" <colinbm1@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > The infrastructure was already in place for the original inhabitants. > Everything that was needed to sustain life was already in place for them ! > It was the white mans burden that had to be carried out to here ! > Cheers > Col > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > >> Hi Valerie, Thank you >> >> Governor Phillip was certainly one of our better Governors and his job >> made all >> that more difficult, arriving as they did with no infrastructure in >> place. >> >> regards >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >> valerie.williams >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:23 PM >> To: PJ Convicts >> Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. >> >> >> Dear Lesley, >> >> I agree with you about Captain Arthur Phillip, he really is the Father of >> Our Nation and doesn't receive the recognition he deserves. >> >> Thank you for taking the time to type up the information from HRA for our >> list. I really enjoyed it >> >> Valerie Williams >> Mollymook NSW >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ NOD32 3797 (20090124) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

June and Minuet, Perhaps we could have a thread on the most unlikely stories that our ancestors came up with in their defence. In all cases it would be unsuccessful defence, because if their defence was a success they would not have joined the select company at Port Jackson. My ancestor was done for absconding with money that his employer gave him to pay a creditor. He claimed he was only taking what was rightfully his because he had not been paid for about three months. Not accepted, take an assisted passage to PJ son. Best regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "june robinson" <therobos2@tadaust.org.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough > thanksfor that Minuet, Joseph is in my family m Eleanor Gott. I come in > with > the Hackett Side. > June Qld > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Minuet" <minuet9@internode.on.net> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Joseph WRIGHT First Fleet - Scarborough > > >> He was just strolling along with 218 pounds of lead in a basket? >> About 100 kilos.... that someone threw at him??? Did he take >> up weightlifting later? *G* >> >> Minuet >> >> >>>"..feloniously stealing on the 6th May, two hundred and eighteen pounds >>>weight of lead, value 40s belonging to William Rothwell, fixed to a >>>certain >>>building there situate against the statute" >>> >>>In defence Joseph replied " I was going to Knightsbridge, a man had this >>>basket, and he threw it down, and I was carrying it home with an intent >>>to >>>advertise it". >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: > 1/26/2009 > 6:37 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello All, Happy Australia Day. We had a holiday here yesterday, but it was for Chinese New Year rather than Australia Day. Sorry I have been away for a month, but looks like the list is still very lively and I bet none of you missed me. You are right Sandra. We have little idea of the hardships our forebears endured. That voyage from England over stormy seas, and don't forget they went a long way south to get the good winds, must have been a horrendous experience. Perhaps part of the reason not many returned to the Old Dart after they served their time. Apart from that they were to a fair degree considered free after they obtained a pardon or ticket of freedom. Too many in the same boat so the treatment would be better than could be expected in England. I suppose the Irish felt repressed at home so might as well make a go of it in the new country. Apart from that voyage, the number of children dying in infancy and the number of women dying in childbirth were horrendous by today's standards, but some parts of the world still endure similar hardships. I think we are too soft today compared to the hardy people who started the white settlement 200 odd years ago. I note Colin's message also, but that would be for a different list as Lesley says. By the way, I wonder where the adultery list is. Yesterday I think it was that Lesley wrote along the lines: "I think I see the word adultery in her VDL records.... but that is for another list." Sorry Lesley, a warped sense of humour. I know you meant the van Diemans Land list. Best regards, John Bushell

Here is James Bloodsworth partner in the colony Sarah Bellamy arrived with the First Fleet aboard the "LADY PENRHYN". She had been tried at the Worcester Summer Assizes on the 9th July 1785 and received a sentence of 7 years. She was a spinster - her occupation "in service" and in 1787 she was only 17 years of age. Her son who was baptised Joseph Downey on the 10th February 1788 died later in the month. Surgeon Bowes reported the infant on board the LADY PENRHYN, so it is possible that he was born before Sarah embarked but I am not sure at this stage. More than 200 years ago a young Belbroughton girl became one of the first fleet of British convicts to be shipped to Australia after she was convicted of stealing £15. Sarah Bellamy, aged just 17, was deported along with more than 700 others as part of the state's programme of ridding surplus convicts. Born into a large poor Belbroughton family in 1770, Sarah grew up in a cottage in Queens Hill. At nine-years-old she was apprenticed to Fairfield farmer James Spurrier - a common practice for poor children - and by 15 she was in service in Dudley. But on May 29 1785 she was charged with stealing a two pence linen purse, containing £15 and 15 shillings from her employer Benjamin Haden. Tried at Worcester on July 9 1785, Sarah was found guilty and sentenced to deportation to Oz for seven years. The youngster pleaded in vain for a public whipping rather than transportation. But on May 13 1787 - after languishing in jail for one-and-half-years - Sarah began the 15,000-mile journey Down Under to Botany Bay, on board The Lady Penrhyn with more than 100 diseased women convicts and children. She finally reached her destination eight months later on January 26 1788. Cheers Rhonda

The infrastructure was already in place for the original inhabitants. Everything that was needed to sustain life was already in place for them ! It was the white mans burden that had to be carried out to here ! Cheers Col ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > Hi Valerie, Thank you > > Governor Phillip was certainly one of our better Governors and his job > made all > that more difficult, arriving as they did with no infrastructure in place. > > regards > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > valerie.williams > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:23 PM > To: PJ Convicts > Subject: Re: [PJ] A man in a thousand. > > > Dear Lesley, > > I agree with you about Captain Arthur Phillip, he really is the Father of > Our Nation and doesn't receive the recognition he deserves. > > Thank you for taking the time to type up the information from HRA for our > list. I really enjoyed it > > Valerie Williams > Mollymook NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3797 (20090124) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi everyone, I'm Ray and lurker up till now, but let me just give a warning about some Academic Historians and the publicity machine that comes with them. They don't have a high regard for us amateurs. Now I've only had experiences with one of the institutions named, but it was shared by several other rellos as well. Basically our judgements about the information we supplied (when approached) was scorned, and the final published result was a travesty. I was interviewed on National Radio about the resultant book chapter and it was obvious that the interviewer wanted me to gush about the wonderful insights that the writer had provided. I wasn't forthcoming (in a polite sort of a way) because I considered that the writer had done a pretty rushed and shabby job despite the PR hype. When the program went to air I found that my sentences were spliced and refitted together to provide what they wanted. Further my acknowledgements to the family people whose work I had built on were left out, leaving it looking like I was claiming all the credit for myself. The whole experience left me feeling cheated. Treat with care! Ray On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Grahame & Rosslyn Thom <grthom@bigpond.com>wrote: > Hi all > > I hope everyone is enjoying Australia Day. > > On page 3 of today's Age there is an article about "Proud convict > past an evoluntionary lesson for savory Darwin. > > The bottom line of this story is that the University of Tasmania, > together with the University of Melbourne will be collecting stories > as they "want to uncover these rich personal stories and migrate them > into the historical record." At the end of the article it state > "Visit www.foundersandsurvivors.org - details of "your convict" can > be registered on the site from February 10." > > It looks like a good project, but the one thing that annoys me is the > comment "Their post-convict lives are not part of the public record. > Instead, they are hidden away in private family archives - a secret > history." Have they not heard of Lesley and all the listers on this > mailing list???? > > Have a read of the article at > > http://www.theage.com.au/national/proud-convict-past-an-evolutionary- > lesson-for-snooty-darwin-20090125-7pgq.html > > cheers > > Grahame > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >