Oh yes, I remember now. Isabella Allison did arrive on the Brothers in 1827. The Indent does state that she had one child on board with her..... it does not state the sex of that child. Isabella was tried in Omagh on 27 March 1825 and the Brothers arrived in PJ on 2 February 1827...... nearly 2 years after she was tried. I don't know if she had this child before she was tried or during the next 2 years. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, the NSW BDMs have: V182871 12/1828 ELLISON SARAH JOHN ISABELLA and that tallies (somewhat) with the Sarah Allison living with her mother Isabella Allison (Brothers) at the Female Factory in December 1828. Sarah is listed as being 4 months old. The age could be wrong - perhaps it should read 4 years old although I don't think this is correct because Sarah as a 4 year old would probably not be living in Female Factory with her mother. Perhaps her first child died and Sarah was conceived in PJ, The Sarah I mentioned baptised in 1819 was the daughter of John and Sarah Ellison. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Stantiall Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:01 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] "Brothers " Ship to Aust. Hello Lesley, Thanks for help . I have a mother and daughter from Ireland, Mother was Isabella Ellison ( or Allison ) daughter Sarah Ellison born on ship in 1827. The other date of birth was 1819 in Parramatta NSW. Regards , Thanks, Margaret

Thank you Robyn I will go back to the Irish transportation database and check out my Irish convicts although I don't think I will be one of the lucky ones as I don't recall seeing any letters other than TR against their names. ....but thanks for the information....its amazing how many valuable research pointers are freely shared on the PJ list! Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: "D and R Hardie" <darnhard@ozemail.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Irish Convicts > Rhonda > just to add my 2 cents worth, petitions on Irish convicts were made > usually by their families, not only for married men,sometimes mothers > for sons etc. & not all married men, some women didn't want them back. > If you go to the Irish transportation database and find your convict > listed you might also see a reference no. if there is a petition this > will have the letters PPC & a number. These petitions & other documents > referring to family reunions have been filmed & are available in the > State Library Sydney, family history section, you have to be lucky. > The best other source on irish convicts is in the Irish newspapers > which sometimes gave detailed accounts of trials > Robyn Hardie

Hi Lesley and listers, For those interested in the Donoghue family I have a book which mentions a James and John Donoghue (sons of Lawrence and Catherine Dwyer) of Stratford, Co. Wicklow, Ireland who came to Australia in the 1850's (settling outside Queanbeyan NSW) This family is mentioned in two books I have. If anyone is interested in a transcription of this info, please contact me off list. Lyn

Hi all I lurk and enjoy the postings (and owe Lesley many thankyou's for the great background and 'how to' postings that she adds to the general mix) Just to add to the current discussion, two things: 1/ Don't give up and 2/ put your brick wall out on the lists - NAME the man or woman. (plus a bit of detail) My husband's immigrant came free in a cabin as an unreccognisable Mr Turner - no initial- on a ship in 1939. Married before statutory registration. Son as informant on his death cert had provided the wrong set of grandparents christian names. (not intentionally- a genuine mistake in the sadness of the moment) End of story?? George Turner from Devon may as well be Jim Smith from London! A very kind soul saw my mention of him on another list in the UK and put 2 and 2 together He had happened to have read a will by an unmarried woman who mentioned her nephew in Australia - bingo! Not only was my brick wall her nephew but my brick wall had cousins he had followed out that he was in business with in Maitland with all sorts of interesting stories to find (long story but off topic - further wills and agreements in Oz refer to items mentioned in previous wills in Devon) I'm not saying that a will will be found for a destitute Irish tenant farmer or English ag lab, but you never know what snippet of info someone may have that breaks down that wall. But if they don't know you are looking, how can they tell you what they know? Oh, and no 3/: SNIP your postings when replying. We (particularly me) all have acidentally left a great screed of digest on the end of a reply in excitement of that new possible lead, but remember not everyone has broadband or a cheap rate of activity on the internet and its really annoying re-reading pages of yesterday's posts to find the 2 line reply. Good Luck and Happy hunting, Glynis Turner PS Check the Subject line is relevant before sending - I nearly sent with a subject line of : Re: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38 Oops :) ----- Original Message ----- Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives

Dear Lesley, Warren and Listers The PJ thread regarding Hugh Donohue/Donoghue really made me realise just how important it is to think about what was happening in the Colony at this time around 1840. Transportation to Port Jackson was coming to an end. The last convict transport (except for a smattering of 4 or 5 in 1849) to arrive in NSW was (I think) Eden I (2) arriving 18 Nov 1840. The Hugh Donoghue I found in the Archives of Tasmania embarked on the British Sovereign in Dec 1840 and arrived in VDL 1841. Would he have known his destination? Would he and his wife have known that the decision to cease transportation to NSW had been taken by the British government of the time. Perhaps when his wife petitioned free passage she thought Hugh was going to NSW. Hugh Donoghue per British Sovereign was married as indicated in the full text on the link below. http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-7,196,70,S,80ght Hugh and Bridget may have been caught up in a cruel twist of fate. Also on the same British Sovereign was a Christopher Moran. In the Tasmanian Archives in his digitised record from the Conduct Book of the British Sovereign Christopher is recorded as saying "I committed this offence to get out to my father" ...only problem was it appears that his father had been transported to NSW many years before not to VDL. So I don't think Christopher was expecting to land in VDL or maybe he may not have known about that stretch of water that separates the mainland from the island. Christopher's father appears to be Michael Moran per Fergusson 1828 (yet to be proven beyond doubt). Michael applied around 1836 to have his wife and four children brought to NSW at the expense of the government. This was approved but it wasn't until 1840 that his wife and daughter arrived on the Isabella and one son arrived on the King William. I have been searching for the other two children for at least two years but have not been able to find them arriving in NSW. I had claimed Michael Moran per Fergusson on Claim a Convict as I have full documentary proof that he is my GGG grandfather. Just before Christmas I was contacted from Tasmania via Claim a Convict regarding Christopher Moran per British Sovereign. What a valuable resource is "Claim a Convict"!. Thank you Lesley for maintaining it. This is the second connection I have had through Claim a Convict ...in fact it is how my family history research really began. So maybe Bridget and Hugh never did get back together. Hugh would have had to serve his sentence before going to NSW and Bridget would probably not have had the money or connections to get to VDL. Christopher likewise would have had to serve his 7 year sentence before going in search of his father in NSW ...did he find him? I wonder how long it will take me to find out if I ever do? Regards Rhonda

Rhonda just to add my 2 cents worth, petitions on Irish convicts were made usually by their families, not only for married men,sometimes mothers for sons etc. & not all married men, some women didn't want them back. If you go to the Irish transportation database and find your convict listed you might also see a reference no. if there is a petition this will have the letters PPC & a number. These petitions & other documents referring to family reunions have been filmed & are available in the State Library Sydney, family history section, you have to be lucky. The best other source on irish convicts is in the Irish newspapers which sometimes gave detailed accounts of trials Robyn Hardie On Friday, January 30, 2009, at 04:02 PM, Rhonda Flowers wrote: > Hello Kitty > > I was interested in part of your recent email (excerpt below). I have > at least two Irish convicts in my family tree. > > Can you tell me how and where you found the 15 pages on your husband's > convict? Both my Irish convicts were married when transported to Port > Jackson. Did you mean that you found this information whilst in > Ireland? > > Any information would be welcome. > > Thanks > Rhonda > > This is all the info you will find on him. > UNLESS- he had a wife and family in Ireland. > Then there is copious information. > I found 15 pages on ,my Husbands Convict, because he was married and > had a > family > Petitions were done for those convicts who were married. > I visited the National Archives whilst in Dublin in 2007, they were > very > helpful. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

I too am researching A Donoughue family and the different spellings I have found has me betwixed and between trying to fathom just who is whom. Some variations I have encountered are : DONOGHUE; DONOHOE, DONOGHOO DONOGHU, and so the list goes on but eventually they turn out to be the same person or family Good luck Arnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Flowers" <rwflowers@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: [PJ] Hugh Donoghue ? > Hi > > There was a Hugh Donoghue transported to VDL 1840 arriving 1841. Slightly > different spelling of the name but maybe worth checking. Link below to the > Archives of Tasmania - maybe he was transported there and not to Port > Jackson. > > http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11 > > Regards > Rhonda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ok everyone - enough. Far too many messages about nothing with nothing forthcoming with any detail. I bit of a waste of time for all. Let's leave it at that ..... please. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au List Admin

Thank you Grahame, didn't know what nationalisty it could be as hadn't heard it before if it is even it. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> To: "Alan Eade" <eade.alan@bigpond.com>; <aus-pt-jackson-

Thanks Allen but I think these are too late as Ann was not known to have any siblings etc. trying to find if a great aunt whom she came to live with can remember anything else. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Eade" <eade.alan@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > Sandra > > I have that name (CRUDEN) twice in my database, however not relating to > convicts. > Firstly to a Eileen CRUDEN who married Hilary Robert Augustine CHAPMAN in > 1945 at Petersham NSW. Her parentage unknown to me as she was born after > 1918. > Secondly I have Robert Cruden GORDON (parents Daniel GORDON and Mary > SCOTT), born 1799 in Martinique arrived in NSW 1838 with family and > settled in the Morpeth area. Daniel Gordon had shipping interests out of > Charleston, South Carolina. > > Regards Alan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandra and Alan The site below will give you an indication of where a surname occurs in the UK. cheers Grahame http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/ On 30/01/2009, at 9:12 PM, Alan Eade wrote: > Sandra > > I have that name (CRUDEN) twice in my database, however not > relating to convicts. > Firstly to a Eileen CRUDEN who married Hilary Robert Augustine > CHAPMAN in 1945 at Petersham NSW. Her parentage unknown to me as > she was born after 1918. > Secondly I have Robert Cruden GORDON (parents Daniel GORDON and > Mary SCOTT), born 1799 in Martinique arrived in NSW 1838 with > family and settled in the Morpeth area. Daniel Gordon had shipping > interests out of Charleston, South Carolina. > > Regards Alan >

Sandra I have that name (CRUDEN) twice in my database, however not relating to convicts. Firstly to a Eileen CRUDEN who married Hilary Robert Augustine CHAPMAN in 1945 at Petersham NSW. Her parentage unknown to me as she was born after 1918. Secondly I have Robert Cruden GORDON (parents Daniel GORDON and Mary SCOTT), born 1799 in Martinique arrived in NSW 1838 with family and settled in the Morpeth area. Daniel Gordon had shipping interests out of Charleston, South Carolina. Regards Alan

Hi Sandra, noticed a Cregan on this website: might be another spelling worth considering http://www.ulladulla.info/history/timber.htm Cheers Janine

Dear List, One of my New Year resolutions is to be up-to-date with my e-mails. I am progressing but not quickly enough probably due to the horrible weather. My computer is in a room with no air conditioning which is at present registering 38 degrees. I am desperate to do some research but it is too hot (44 degrees outside) to even consider driving to the library. There appears to be no respite as the forecast is for well over 30 every day for another week. Roll on winter-at least it is easy to get warm. Cheers, Cherilyn in unbelievably hot Melbourne

Might mean they were taken on in those places not necessarily where they were born, even tho it says nationality. Cheers. Annie from lovely warm Cairns, Aus. > John Bushell <bush@cbn.net.id> wrote: > > Thanks Grahame, > > That link was interesting for the variety of nationalities amongst the > crew. > However, a few of the names make me suspicious of the veracity. For > example: > > Fisher, William France > Bell, George Italy > Wheeler, James France > > Rather uncontinental looking names. > > I will do a bit of poking around there, but it is a pity they just give > steerage as numbers with no names. > > Best regards, > John > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

Hi There was a Hugh Donoghue transported to VDL 1840 arriving 1841. Slightly different spelling of the name but maybe worth checking. Link below to the Archives of Tasmania - maybe he was transported there and not to Port Jackson. http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11 Regards Rhonda

June, Which Robertsons & where from in Scotland???? Cheers. Annie from Cairns, Aus > june robinson <therobos2@tadaust.org.au> wrote: > > Hi Pat, Happy birthday. > I would like a look up if possible, oflanded at Port Jackson ship > Neptune > 2nd fleet 28/6/1790, she was b Liverpool 26/10.1765' > Also AnnCarey Bristol she got 14yrs. > also reseaching Robinson/Robertson from Scotland > thank you, > June Qld > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Pitts" <patpitts@iinet.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > >> JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: > 1/26/2009 > 6:37 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

There is a Hugh Donohue transported to VDL who left 16/12/1840 and arrived here 17/03/1841. Maybe her application preempted his actual departure? At 12:36 PM 30/01/2009, you wrote: >Hi Listers, > I am trying to locate information on convict Hugh Donohue >and his wife Bridget. The NAI Transportation Database indicates that >Bridget made application for a free passage to New South Wales on the >4/11/1840, with reference to her husband Hugh Donohue being a convict >and having being transported there. The problem I have with this is >that I can find no trace of a Hugh Donohue convict being transported to >NSW, as per contents of Lesley's Convict Anthology CD's. > >Does anyone know whether he came under a different name, or was he >perhaps transported to a different penal settlement? > >Kind regards, Warren Diggins

Hello Yes check the shipping records in the Sydney Morning Herald .. i found my person had stopped off in New Zealand ( I am glad he did) for a year or 2 and that his surname had been misspelt ... Michelle Herbert Central Coast NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Rosslyn Thom" <grthom@bigpond.com> To: "John Bushell" <bush@cbn.net.id>; <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > Hi John > > You are right in the period, but dont stop looking, check newspaper > shipping intelligence. Then again he may have been listed as Mr > Reynolds. Also could have arrived in Melbourne or elsewhere and > sailed on a coastal ship to Sydney. > > Here is an example in 1855 > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1855/11/053cho.htm > > Grahame > > On 30/01/2009, at 5:43 PM, John Bushell wrote: > >> Hi Grahame, >> >> What period would that be: "early immigration ships"? >> >> I am looking for a RICHARD REYNOLDS who was in England for the 1851 >> census, >> but married in Sydney on 1 Jan 1855. Cannot find any record of how >> he got >> here. I know there was a convict (exile) of the same name arrived on >> Randolph 1849, but I have eliminated him as a possibility. >> >> Best regards, >> John >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- >> JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John You are right in the period, but dont stop looking, check newspaper shipping intelligence. Then again he may have been listed as Mr Reynolds. Also could have arrived in Melbourne or elsewhere and sailed on a coastal ship to Sydney. Here is an example in 1855 http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1855/11/053cho.htm Grahame On 30/01/2009, at 5:43 PM, John Bushell wrote: > Hi Grahame, > > What period would that be: "early immigration ships"? > > I am looking for a RICHARD REYNOLDS who was in England for the 1851 > census, > but married in Sydney on 1 Jan 1855. Cannot find any record of how > he got > here. I know there was a convict (exile) of the same name arrived on > Randolph 1849, but I have eliminated him as a possibility. > > Best regards, > John > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message