Thanks Cathy for your info. Regards, Natalie

Hi all my 5 year old son is only 6th generation from our FF ancestor James Wright (Scarborough) cheers Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross McDougal" <rossmcdougal@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] FW: re Generations from First Fleeters > Hi Cherilyn > Our 2 year old grandson is a 10th generation from my husbands 1st convict > Catherine Owens who came out in 1794 on "Surprise" but only a 8th > generation > from my 1st fleet convicts James Squire, Edward Goodin, Nathaniel Lucas > and > Olivia Gascoigne. > > Cheers Linda >>From hot western Sydney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cherilyn Bonney" <clbonney@optusnet.com.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:19 PM > Subject: [PJ] FW: re Generations from First Fleeters > > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > to our First Fleeters and also to our new great >> grandson (five months) who >> is the latest generation. I said he was the ninth generation born here >> but >> before I fell asleep I was trying to count the generations without much >> success. Went straight to the computer next morning hoping it wasn't >> eight >> generations and found to my surprise that Jordan is the tenth generation >> born here! Everyone was very pleased. Are there any eleven generations >> from >> First Fleeters out there? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cherilyn Our 2 year old grandson is a 10th generation from my husbands 1st convict Catherine Owens who came out in 1794 on "Surprise" but only a 8th generation from my 1st fleet convicts James Squire, Edward Goodin, Nathaniel Lucas and Olivia Gascoigne. Cheers Linda >From hot western Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cherilyn Bonney" <clbonney@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: [PJ] FW: re Generations from First Fleeters >> > > > > > > > > to our First Fleeters and also to our new great > grandson (five months) who > is the latest generation. I said he was the ninth generation born here but > before I fell asleep I was trying to count the generations without much > success. Went straight to the computer next morning hoping it wasn't eight > generations and found to my surprise that Jordan is the tenth generation > born here! Everyone was very pleased. Are there any eleven generations > from > First Fleeters out there?

Hi My husband's nephew's wife is shortly due to give birth. This child will be 11th Generation Australian. His First Fleeters were - John MARTIN, John RANDALL & Richard PARTRIDGE (forgot to mention before when listing First Fleeters MariaAre there any eleven generations from First Fleeters out there?> > > > Cheers,> > Cherilyn in still extremely hot Melbourne> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get the most out of your life online! Click here for the latest news and tips. http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/

Ann BRADWELL, BRADLEY - BRIDEWELL, Convict Experiment 1804. Ann was later with Isaac GORRICK Married 27 Aug 1804 St Johns Parramatta LEESON, Thomas - LISSON Convict Royal Admiral 1792 Many of the Children of Ann and Thomas Lesson went by the name of GORRICK and then changed back over to LEESON in later generations Ann died Feb 1860 Wilberforce Cathy Dunn -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of I Baig Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2009 11:21 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Isaac Gorrick Hi, does anyone on the list know anything about the family of origin of Isaac Gorrick/Gorwick, particularly if he may have been of French descent? He was tried in the Assizes at Exeter, Devon on 16 March 1789 and sentenced to 7 years transportation. He sailed on the Atlantic, arriving in Sydney on the 20th August 1791. He married Rebecca Plummer and then lived with Ann Lisson, nee Bradwell. They ran an Inn called the Safe Retreat at Wilberforce. Regards, Natalie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's interesting that in my family - although not from first fleeters, from convicts arriving within 20 years, we can only just make it to 6th generation Australian born with my new great neice. There are plenty of children, but each time we seem to be from the youngest child of the youngest child. Minuet. >and found to my surprise that Jordan is the tenth generationborn >here! Everyone was very pleased. Are there any eleven generations from >First Fleeters out there?

Hi, does anyone on the list know anything about the family of origin of Isaac Gorrick/Gorwick, particularly if he may have been of French descent? He was tried in the Assizes at Exeter, Devon on 16 March 1789 and sentenced to 7 years transportation. He sailed on the Atlantic, arriving in Sydney on the 20th August 1791. He married Rebecca Plummer and then lived with Ann Lisson, nee Bradwell. They ran an Inn called the Safe Retreat at Wilberforce. Regards, Natalie

Dear List, Resending this message as I didn't see it appear in my emails online. Sorry if it has come through twice. Cheers, Cherilyn in cooler Melbourne _____ From: Cherilyn Bonney [mailto:clbonney@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 1:53 PM To: 'aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com' Subject: re Generations from First Fleeters Dear List, Went to a barbeque at my grandson's unit on Australia Day. He had a huge Australian flag draped over the settee and we had a toast to our First Fleeters and also to our new great grandson (five months) who is the latest generation. I said he was the ninth generation born here but before I fell asleep I was trying to count the generations without much success. Went straight to the computer next morning hoping it wasn't eight generations and found to my surprise that Jordan is the tenth generation born here! Everyone was very pleased. Are there any eleven generations from First Fleeters out there? Cheers, Cherilyn in still extremely hot Melbourne

Hi Lesley, Yes, it does sound odd the similarities. All the information I have sent about the Michael Minton's arrival at Port Jackson I have taken from microfiche and film in the Kingswood PRO. Michael Minton Prince Regent 11 (1) Fiche No. 645, page 259, film 395 shelf 4/4007. Index to Assignmen Register Fiche (1of 1) No. 745. Age 27yrs Michael Minton Prince Regent 1 arrived 1824- Fiche No. 658, page 018, film 2662 shelf 4/4009A age 36 yrs. Yes it was Musters and Other Papers Fiche 658. My g/ grandfather John Minton ( Michael Minton's son) was aged 76yrs when he died 1912 that gives his birthdate at abt.1836. The other Minton children were born in the mid 1840's . This is the information I have been working with. Regards Elaine

Hi Elaine I have a problem in that I don't believe that there was a convict named Michael Minton who arrived in Port Jackson in 1824 on board the Prince Regent. My reasons are: He is not listed on the Indent for that transport He is not included in the 1823/4/5 General Muster He is not listed in the 1828 NSW Census He is not listed in the 1837 General Return of Convicts He did not receive a Certificate of Freedom He did not receive any pardon He did not receive a Ticket of Leave You said that he was tried County Dublin in 1820 and received a sentence of 14 years.... so therefore we have two people tried at the same place and the same time with the same name and identical sentences and both arrived on a transport with the same name - Prince Regent and arriving 3 years apart. I can believe that someone arrived as a convict and is not included on the Indent as this happened frequently, I can believe that a person may not be mentioned on a few of the above, but I doubt if a convict could escape a mention on all of them. You did say that he was mentioned in the "Masters and other papers" - do you mean Musters and other papers? as that may account for the different ages. You did say that you had disregarded the Michael who had children with Rose. The BDMs have the children of this children as: V18451761 134/1845 MINTON JOHN MICHAEL ROSE V18472360 64/1847 MINTON JAMES MICHAEL ROSE V18432703 133/1843 MINTON MICHAEL MICHAEL ROSE The deaths state that John died in 1917 and a Michael died in 1918 and then there your Michael who died in 1912. Could the Michael who died in 1918 be James and the incorrect name be recorded? It is difficult for me as I don't have the documents that you have and decided you against Michael and Rose or against the Michael Minton who arrived in 1821 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of ELAINE LEONIE SWEET Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Looking for help and assistance in my search for Michael Minton Hi Lesley, Thank you for the information. Sorry about the multiple emails, I am having a spot of bother with my computer at the moment. Yes, it is the Michael Minton on the Prince Regent 11 (1) 1821 that I am following. I guess what I would like to find out is if he remained with John Wylde at Brownlow Hill or was he sent to "Gobolion" near Wellington. Do you know if there is a list of convicts for this property? Regards Elaine

Hi Cheryl All I can suggest is that you refer back to our discussions on the list a few weeks ago. It does not look as though he was a convict still serving his sentence by 1841 regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cheryl Woodward Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:33 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Wilson Hi Lesley, No wording like that. By exploring or connections, trying to rule out all possiblities. It is interesting that Isaac Crabtree arrived by the same ship Lord Melville as did one of the possible Edward Wilsons.

Hi Lesley, No wording like that. By exploring or connections, trying to rule out all possiblities. It is interesting that Isaac Crabtree arrived by the same ship Lord Melville as did one of the possible Edward Wilsons. Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Edward Wilson > > Hi Cheryl > > Does the marriage document state that he married with permission of the Governor > or similar words. > > As I advised a few weeks ago, the Edward Wilson who arrived on the Lord > Melville received a 14 year sentence in 1830. Edward who married Mary Ann > Cunningham (carious spellings) did so in 1841. > > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cheryl > Woodward > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:18 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Edward Wilson > > > Hi Lesley, > > I've been thinking about the Edward Wilson I am researching. I decided to > investigate the witnesses at the wedding. They being Isaac an Caroline Crabtree. > A Isaac Crabtree Arrived via the Lord Melville in 1830. Do you think this could > be an indication that the Edward I am researching is the one that arrived via > the Lord Melville in 1830? > > Cheers > Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1908 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 9:15 PM

June Sorry not listed in the book. Pat Mott Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, DINES, MARSH On 31/01/2009, at 4:26 PM, june robinson wrote: > Sorry Pat,Eleanor Gott, and Rachael Watkins. > Thanks. > June Qld > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Pitts" <patpitts@iinet.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Untraceable relatives. > > >> June >> > >> Thanks >> >> pat >> >> Pat Mott >> Researching HAWK, HAWKE, HAWKES, DAVIS, MOTT, GREEN, ANDERSON, RIGG, >> CAMPBELL, MAC TAGGART, TAGGART, RAIN, CONROY, ROBINSON, HOLGATE, >> DINES, MARSH >> >>

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Hi Elaine, Lesley, everyone I only sent Elaine a couple of police gazette refs to a Michael Minton getting into trouble around Braidwood/South Coast in the 1860s; a mention in Govt Gazette 1842 of intestate estate balance for a "Michael (? James) Minton"; and some newpspaer refs at the NLA [ http://preview.tinyurl.com/ac8c2o]. Gobolion/Gobawlion/Gobawlin was/(is?) a property a couple of miles north of Wellington on the RHS of the Macquarie. It's mentioned a few times in the diaries of missionaries who took over from the convict stockade in the 1830s. Hilary Carey & David Roberts created a website containing these diaries at [ http://www.newcastle.edu.au/group/amrhd/wvp/index.html]<http://www.newcastle.edu.au/group/amrhd/wvp/index.html> . <http://www.newcastle.edu.au/group/amrhd/wvp/index.html> There is no mention of a Minton in it, unfortunately most of the convicts are nameless, simply described as "ticket-of-leave men". Sturt & Hume stopover at Gobolion on the 7th of December 1828 en route to discover the socalled inland sea, but no mention of Minton, again many of the convicts who feature in the explorer's diary are anonymous. In the index of the "Letters of John Maxwell: Superintendent of Government Stock 1823-1831" (Smith & Lloyd, 1982), there are many convicts mentioned but not Minton. Maxwell was involved with cattle and convicts at Bathurst and Wellington Valley :) Regards Brent

Hi Cheryl Does the marriage document state that he married with permission of the Governor or similar words. As I advised a few weeks ago, the Edward Wilson who arrived on the Lord Melville received a 14 year sentence in 1830. Edward who married Mary Ann Cunningham (carious spellings) did so in 1841. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cheryl Woodward Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:18 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Edward Wilson Hi Lesley, I've been thinking about the Edward Wilson I am researching. I decided to investigate the witnesses at the wedding. They being Isaac an Caroline Crabtree. A Isaac Crabtree Arrived via the Lord Melville in 1830. Do you think this could be an indication that the Edward I am researching is the one that arrived via the Lord Melville in 1830? Cheers Cheryl

Hi Lesley, I've been thinking about the Edward Wilson I am researching. I decided to investigate the witnesses at the wedding. They being Isaac an Caroline Crabtree. A Isaac Crabtree Arrived via the Lord Melville in 1830. Do you think this could be an indication that the Edward I am researching is the one that arrived via the Lord Melville in 1830? Cheers Cheryl

Hello List, Stumbled across http://www.caseyandlowe.com.au/pdf/pcc/pccs12.pdf An interesting site revealing the findings of the archaelogical investigation of Parramatta Children's Court, Cnr" George & O'Connor Sts, Parramatta. For the PJ 'ites the folowing convicts are named: HICKEY, John Hickey, "Baring "1813 BLAKEFIELD, William, "Ganges" 2-6-1797 LARKIN, Samuel ,"Minorca" 1801 & family Cordelia, Eliza Frances, Edgar & John COOK, Benjamin ,"Royal Admiral" 1801 (died on voyage), wife.......remarried French POW Antoine L'andre/Landrin. He died, she remarried HARRIS, John, "Scarborough2" 1790 Descriptions of convict huts and a painting by Fernando Brambila 1793. Other names, but not necessarily convicts : SQUIRE, James; TERRY, Samuel; THOMPSON, Andrew (at Windsor 1806); SCARR, Thomas (at Newcastle 1825); Boston, John (at Sydney 1796) RUSHTON, Thomas; HAYES, Patrick died 1825. Father Michael, mother Elizabeth Baker; DICKSON, John ex Private NSW Corps; BEAUMONT, William, goaler at Parramatta Goal; CHESTER, Patrick sold land in 1814 to Samuel Larkin. Probably well documents for PJ interest....but you never know? Regards Graeme Morris Porepunkah, Vic.

Hi Elaine Your Michael Minton per Prince Regent II (1) (1821) is listed in the 1823/4/5 General Muster List of NSW as a Government Servant to Lieut. Wilde (Wylde) at Cawdor. This Muster also lists the Michael Minton per Hercules I - murdered 1824 and Michael Minton aged 1 - son of widow Minton. These are the only three Michael Minton's mentioned in this Muster Your Michael Minton is not included in the 1828 NSW Census and the only one included in this Census is the one born in about 1824 (above) The convicts assigned to Lady Wylde are included in the 1828 NSW Census at various places i.e. Wellington Valley, Cabramatta, Sydney, Bathurst, Goulburn Plains - 36 convicts all up Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of ELAINE LEONIE SWEET Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Looking for help and assistance in my search for Michael Minton Hi Lesley, Thank you for the information. Sorry about the multiple emails, I am having a spot of bother with my computer at the moment. Yes, it is the Michael Minton on the Prince Regent 11 (1) 1821 that I am following. I guess what I would like to find out is if he remained with John Wylde at Brownlow Hill or was he sent to "Gobolion" near Wellington. Do you know if there is a list of convicts for this property? Regards Elaine

Hi Listers, Convict John Grainger, Mangles (2) left 2 brothers in Ireland. One of those brothers, Thomas, died in Valparaiso, Chile, on 12.5.1861. Recently, it has been suggested he was on route BACK to Ireland from Australia. No one knows why he was here. Perhaps to find his brother? John Grainger died in 1860 in Prospect NSW. I have some information that Thomas "was late of Beechwood, New South Wales" (near Port Macquarie). Not sure what this means as this phrase I quote from a historian in Ireland. I am hoping to try and re-trace some of his footsteps, but not sure where to start. His brother was a convict and he would've known this. Not sure where the Beechwood connection is. Is it known that some relations of convicts sent here, came to find them? Thank you for any help. Marina.