Hi Thanks for looking ... Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > > No Michelle, nothing in 1858 > > > regards > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Michelle > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:03 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > > > Hello Lesley > > could you look up to see if you have anything on an Edward Sadler .. he > died > in 1874 after falling down the steps of the Miners Exchange Hotel in > Sydney > > Michelle Herbert > Bateau Bay > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No Michelle, nothing in 1858 regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michelle Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:03 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 Hello Lesley could you look up to see if you have anything on an Edward Sadler .. he died in 1874 after falling down the steps of the Miners Exchange Hotel in Sydney Michelle Herbert Bateau Bay

Thanks Gary Arnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Luke" <gary@feraltek.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > At 03:08 PM 15/02/2009, you wrote: > > Arnie > > All it means is that the primary and secondary sources used for this > CD did not mention the pub's name, or were not certain enough for the > compilers to include it. The CD has a list of sources used in the > bibliography in the help file. > > There are a number of pubs called Black Horse, but none of them have > the two surnames you mentioned. You should try to find the CD at a > library. There might be other names or clues that you recognise in > the notes fields. > > > Gary > > ========================= > >>Thank you Gary and Lesley, >> >>The James Richards and the William Mansell you mention are no relation >>that >>I know of but the George Richards in George St. in 1821 would be my ggg >>grandfather. That no pub is listed with the name I supplied, does this >>mean >>that I have the wrong meaning of the occupation " house-keeper " ? >><snip> >>Was it possible in those days to run such an establishment but without a >>name over the door ? >> >>Arnie > > _________________________________ > Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au > Sydney, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 03:08 PM 15/02/2009, you wrote: Arnie All it means is that the primary and secondary sources used for this CD did not mention the pub's name, or were not certain enough for the compilers to include it. The CD has a list of sources used in the bibliography in the help file. There are a number of pubs called Black Horse, but none of them have the two surnames you mentioned. You should try to find the CD at a library. There might be other names or clues that you recognise in the notes fields. Gary ========================= >Thank you Gary and Lesley, > >The James Richards and the William Mansell you mention are no relation that >I know of but the George Richards in George St. in 1821 would be my ggg >grandfather. That no pub is listed with the name I supplied, does this mean >that I have the wrong meaning of the occupation " house-keeper " ? ><snip> >Was it possible in those days to run such an establishment but without a >name over the door ? > >Arnie _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Thank you Gary and Lesley, The James Richards and the William Mansell you mention are no relation that I know of but the George Richards in George St. in 1821 would be my ggg grandfather. That no pub is listed with the name I supplied, does this mean that I have the wrong meaning of the occupation " house-keeper " ? There are a number of mentions in the Sydney Gazette refering to George operating a public house and in one article a grand jury were of the opinion that he was not a fit person and his license should be revoked, this was in 1824. Another mention, in 1825, has two men indicted for stealing a keg of spirits from the premises owned by Grace Richards wife of George. Was it possible in those days to run such an establishment but without a name over the door ? Arnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Luke" <gary@feraltek.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > At 01:38 PM 15/02/2009, you wrote: > > Arnie > > The CD that Lesley mentioned has James Richards with the White Horse > in George St in the 1840s, moving to Newtown with the same pub name > in 1848. George Richards in George St in 1821 has no name of pub. > James Richards was a son of convict Phoebe Haines, Lord Melville > 1817. There are no biog notes on the CD for George Richards. > > William Mansell had a pub (no name) in Pitt St then O'Connell St > around 1810 to 1813. > > No-one of your two surnames had a pub named the Black Horse, on this CD. > > > Gary >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>message > > _________________________________ > Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au > Sydney, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much Rhonda and Lesley for the information re Daniel LEARY & Mary SULLIVAN. I have organised a bus trip to Kingswood for our FH group next month so will definitely be going along too! It is a great help to have the reel references, the indent info and 1837 General Returns and you have both given me a good head start in tracking down our Daniel and Mary. Many thanks Marilyn

At 01:38 PM 15/02/2009, you wrote: Arnie The CD that Lesley mentioned has James Richards with the White Horse in George St in the 1840s, moving to Newtown with the same pub name in 1848. George Richards in George St in 1821 has no name of pub. James Richards was a son of convict Phoebe Haines, Lord Melville 1817. There are no biog notes on the CD for George Richards. William Mansell had a pub (no name) in Pitt St then O'Connell St around 1810 to 1813. No-one of your two surnames had a pub named the Black Horse, on this CD. Gary =================== >Hi List, > >Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding >hotel licensees from the period mentioned above ? > >I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace >RICHARDS nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular >establishment " The Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / >GEORGE Street area of Sydney. > >I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New >South Wales Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George >selling a quantity of locally grown hops and it mentions the name of >the ' house ' where inquiries can be made to purchase same. > >Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. > >Arnie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Hello Lesley could you look up to see if you have anything on an Edward Sadler .. he died in 1874 after falling down the steps of the Miners Exchange Hotel in Sydney Michelle Herbert Bateau Bay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > > > SAG has produced a CD that covers up to 1850 > > > On microfilm is available "Butts and Certificates of the first Publicans > Licenses 1830--1860" by McNaught > > I have only done those who owned them in the city of Sydney and > surrounding > areas in 1858 > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of fletch > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:39 PM > To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 > > > Hi List, > > Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding hotel > licensees from the period mentioned above ? > > I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace > RICHARDS > nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular establishment " > The > Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / GEORGE Street area of > Sydney. > > I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New South > Wales > Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George selling a quantity of > locally grown hops and it mentions the name of the ' house ' where > inquiries can > be made to purchase same. > > Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. > > Arnie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

SAG has produced a CD that covers up to 1850 On microfilm is available "Butts and Certificates of the first Publicans Licenses 1830--1860" by McNaught I have only done those who owned them in the city of Sydney and surrounding areas in 1858 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of fletch Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:39 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] sydney hotels 1815-1830 Hi List, Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding hotel licensees from the period mentioned above ? I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace RICHARDS nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular establishment " The Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / GEORGE Street area of Sydney. I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New South Wales Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George selling a quantity of locally grown hops and it mentions the name of the ' house ' where inquiries can be made to purchase same. Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. Arnie

Hi List, Would anyone have any idea where I may find information regarding hotel licensees from the period mentioned above ? I have reason to believe that my g g g grandparents George and Grace RICHARDS nee MANSELL were the ' house-keepers ' of this particular establishment " The Sign of the Black Horse " in the BRICKFIELD / GEORGE Street area of Sydney. I have discovered some classified adverts in the Sydney Gazette New South Wales Advertiser in April of 1824 and 1826 that has George selling a quantity of locally grown hops and it mentions the name of the ' house ' where inquiries can be made to purchase same. Any ideas would be welcome, thank you. Arnie

At 04:21 AM 15/02/2009, you wrote: Matt >A brief search of the 1851 England census reveals that there are 270 people >who gave their palce of birth as Australia, and while there is some overlap, >220 or so stated Sydney as their place of birth. I found VDL and NSW >difficult so search as place names given the variations. For the whole of England that's not as many as I would have expected. By 1851 there would have been a few thousand adults with children who returned to England - pardoned emancipist families, free settlers, children sent back for education, military families. Lesley's "Leaving the Colony" list has over 2,000 unique names between 1803 & 1811, some with multiple departures, and not all heading back to England. Some number would have been 'boomerangs' on a visit & return for trade or other reasons. But that's only an eight year time-frame, and 1851 covers another two generations. Where did you search for this? Gary _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Hi Gary, I used the search engine at ancestry.com. I've looked a little harder given your comments about the number of departures... I assumed I might find children of convicts - the convicts themselves having obviously been born elsewhere. While there is overlap, and transcription errors, here are some of the hits Australia: 54 (as a parish town) and 258 (as a country) New South: 269 Sydney: 202 Sidney: 167 vdl: 1 van: 160 Couldn't find any hits for Norfolk Island though.... but perhaps not surprising given the prevalence of the work in England. Place names like Rose Hill, Parramatta, Brickfield, Botany, Jackson gave hits, but nowhere related to Australia. In terms of birth dates, most are 1830'2 and 1840's. I looked for any 1700's briths and found quite a few, mostly females their names may have changed through marriage etc.. Three examples: Enathan Rawlins, 67, born abt 1784 (!), Sydney Cove Mary Ann Dunbar, 54, born abt 1797, New South Wales Sidney, a widow and pauper William Kent, 51, born abt 1800, New S Wales, formerly Royal Navy Another point of interest are that there are quite a few in the US 1850 census with the birth place 'Sydney' or 'Australia' (just had a quick look) - and several easily tied back to NSW BDM records. If people think this is worth indexing let me know, as i've been looking for a project and this looks like a doozy. Likewise, has this already been performed? cheers matt Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:20:05 +1100 > From: Gary Luke <gary@feraltek.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Former Convict Departures > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20090215012645.5E2A22BB994@hosted03.westnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Matt > > >A brief search of the 1851 England census reveals that there are 270 > people > >who gave their palce of birth as Australia, and while there is some > overlap, > >220 or so stated Sydney as their place of birth. I found VDL and NSW > >difficult so search as place names given the variations. > > For the whole of England that's not as many as I would have expected. > By 1851 there would have been a few thousand adults with children who > returned to England - pardoned emancipist families, free settlers, > children sent back for education, military families. Lesley's > "Leaving the Colony" list has over 2,000 unique names between 1803 & > 1811, some with multiple departures, and not all heading back to > England. Some number would have been 'boomerangs' on a visit & return > for trade or other reasons. But that's only an eight year time-frame, > and 1851 covers another two generations. > > > Where did you search for this? > > > Gary > > >

Dear Matt Two Bowman brothers, William and John, came to Australia from Scotland. John is the Richmond one. He had a son called William, as did William. My Bowman is William, son of William. William Junior married Elizabeth Hutchinson and hence my interest. There is heaps about the Richmond Bowmans online including the Bowman Flag. Have a look. Did the Victorian bushfires get much coverage? Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Hall" <cispt2@gmail.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] When did convict administration end? (Betty Candy) > Hi there cousin Betty! > This particular William Bowman was described as a farmer of Eastern > Creek/Richmond. He had at least two convicts in his service in 1831 > according to his deposition. He was apparently not a popular man with his > convict servants. His deposition describes two of them, Mary Ann Silk and > Henry Myatt, leaving his property with the intention to go to court to be > removed from his service. My ancestor Edward Ewer, a grocer in Parramatta, > was where they fled to, and he offered to pay for the legal fees. > cheers, > matt > > > ----------------------------- >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:52:14 +1100 >> From: "Betty Candy" <bjcandy@bigpond.com> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] When did convict administration end? >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <B114C450D91146838662071F8388EB73@sydney> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> G'day Matt >> I have much info on one William Bowman, a non-convict. Do you have more >> info on this William Bowman? >> Regards >> Betty Candy >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1953 - Release Date: 02/14/09 18:01:00

Thanks Lesley, We have those fiche 800 -802 at my library in Parkes NSW as apart of the Archives Resources Kit. Regards, Sarah Davies ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 54 > > > The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ellen Slattery (Michelle) > 2. Re: Ellen Slattery (Michelle) > 3. William Bryant/Mary Elizabeth Shaw (Sarah Davies) > 4. Re: Ellen Slattery (Stan Elgood) > 5. Re: William Bryant/Mary Elizabeth Shaw (Lesley Uebel) > 6. Re: Ellen Slattery (Lesley Uebel) > 7. Re: Ellen Slattery (Michelle) > 8. Re: Ellen Slattery (Michelle) > 9. Re: Ellen Slattery (Michelle) > 10. Re: no Margaret KENNY (Susan Lamberton) > 11. When did convict administration end? (Matthew Hall) > 12. Former Convict Departures (Marina Grainger) > 13. Re: Former Convict Departures (Lesley Uebel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:07:15 +1100 > From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2A82C5C9C93445B5868B6098546D5214@MichellePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello > > Her parents were John and Winifred Slattery ... > > Michelle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > > >> Hi Michelle >> >> The last female convicts to PJ arrived in 1840. She may have arrived as a >> free >> settler by herself, with siblings or with parents and/or her mother or >> father >> may have been a convict >> >> regards >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >> Michelle >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >> >> >> Hello >> >> when did they stop sending female convicts to Sydney >> >> I am looking for a Ellen Slattery born about 1836 Galway >> >> I have no idea how or when she arrived but she married a Joseph Francis >> Ennis in >> 1856 in Sydney >> >> Michelle Herbert >> Bateau Bay >> NSW >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:28:28 +1100 > From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3C6E73D5E94E4B56944ED19144858C7D@MichellePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello > > Any suggestions where to look....lol > > Michelle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > > >> Hi Michelle >> >> The last female convicts to PJ arrived in 1840. She may have arrived as a >> free >> settler by herself, with siblings or with parents and/or her mother or >> father >> may have been a convict >> >> regards >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >> Michelle >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >> >> >> Hello >> >> when did they stop sending female convicts to Sydney >> >> I am looking for a Ellen Slattery born about 1836 Galway >> >> I have no idea how or when she arrived but she married a Joseph Francis >> Ennis in >> 1856 in Sydney >> >> Michelle Herbert >> Bateau Bay >> NSW >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:36:03 +1100 > From: "Sarah Davies" <davies@westserv.net.au> > Subject: [PJ] William Bryant/Mary Elizabeth Shaw > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FBC69C34CEC4482692A4CA3F2CE518B9@yourb47d776523> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Lesley, > > Where did you find the reference to William applying to marry Mary > Elizabeth Shaw? > > I looked at the fiche at the library and couldn't find it - do you know > the folio number? > > Many thanks, > Sarah Davies > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:42:32 +1000 > From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0FBF2A09ACBC4762A12F5A0F8C0A3F5B@lynette1948> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Michelle, > > If you try the NSW State Records website you can scroll down until you > find > the Assisted Immigrants arriving at Sydney & Newcastle 1844-1859. > > There are 3 pages of Slattery's listed. Between 1854 and 1859 there were > five Ellen Slatterys listed aged between 18 and 22 who arrived under this > system. > > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > > >> Hello >> >> Any suggestions where to look....lol >> >> Michelle >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >> >> >>> Hi Michelle >>> >>> The last female convicts to PJ arrived in 1840. She may have arrived as >>> a >>> free >>> settler by herself, with siblings or with parents and/or her mother or >>> father >>> may have been a convict >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>> Lesley Uebel >>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >>> Michelle >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM >>> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >>> >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> when did they stop sending female convicts to Sydney >>> >>> I am looking for a Ellen Slattery born about 1836 Galway >>> >>> I have no idea how or when she arrived but she married a Joseph Francis >>> Ennis in >>> 1856 in Sydney >>> >>> Michelle Herbert >>> Bateau Bay >>> NSW >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:55:37 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] William Bryant/Mary Elizabeth Shaw > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJEEBLAAAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Sarah > > My reference is: > > "The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology" and the file named " Convicts > Permissions and Refusals to Marry 1810--1851" Indexed by Lesley Uebel > > > Many of them are difficult to find because of the handwriting OR the > incorrect > ship of arrival > > > You will have to look at the microfiche for 1848 > > State Archives Office of NSW now State Records of NSW > > 1842 - 1851 Fiche numbers 800 - 802 A.O. Ref. 4/4514 > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sarah > Davies > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:36 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] William Bryant/Mary Elizabeth Shaw > > > Hi Lesley, > > Where did you find the reference to William applying to marry Mary > Elizabeth > Shaw? > > I looked at the fiche at the library and couldn't find it - do you know > the > folio number? > > Many thanks, > Sarah Davies > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:57:32 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJIEBLAAAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Michelle > > Have you purchased any certificates i.e. Births, Deaths or Marriages to > help > you work this out lol > > Regards > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Michelle > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:28 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > > > Hello > > Any suggestions where to look....lol > > Michelle > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:29:24 +1100 > From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C2398A969F2B4571A491AD3A11388FF9@MichellePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > > >> Hi Michelle, >> >> If you try the NSW State Records website you can scroll down until you >> find >> the Assisted Immigrants arriving at Sydney & Newcastle 1844-1859. >> >> There are 3 pages of Slattery's listed. Between 1854 and 1859 there were >> five Ellen Slatterys listed aged between 18 and 22 who arrived under this >> system. >> >> Lyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >> >> >>> Hello >>> >>> Any suggestions where to look....lol >>> >>> Michelle >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> >>> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >>> >>> >>>> Hi Michelle >>>> >>>> The last female convicts to PJ arrived in 1840. She may have arrived as >>>> a >>>> free >>>> settler by herself, with siblings or with parents and/or her mother or >>>> father >>>> may have been a convict >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Lesley Uebel >>>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >>>> Michelle >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM >>>> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> when did they stop sending female convicts to Sydney >>>> >>>> I am looking for a Ellen Slattery born about 1836 Galway >>>> >>>> I have no idea how or when she arrived but she married a Joseph Francis >>>> Ennis in >>>> 1856 in Sydney >>>> >>>> Michelle Herbert >>>> Bateau Bay >>>> NSW >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:30:04 +1100 > From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E3156FF87B6D47DAB575F0A4519D509E@MichellePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi > > thankyou very much for your assistance > > Michelle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > > >> Hi Michelle, >> >> If you try the NSW State Records website you can scroll down until you >> find >> the Assisted Immigrants arriving at Sydney & Newcastle 1844-1859. >> >> There are 3 pages of Slattery's listed. Between 1854 and 1859 there were >> five Ellen Slatterys listed aged between 18 and 22 who arrived under this >> system. >> >> Lyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >> >> >>> Hello >>> >>> Any suggestions where to look....lol >>> >>> Michelle >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> >>> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >>> >>> >>>> Hi Michelle >>>> >>>> The last female convicts to PJ arrived in 1840. She may have arrived as >>>> a >>>> free >>>> settler by herself, with siblings or with parents and/or her mother or >>>> father >>>> may have been a convict >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Lesley Uebel >>>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >>>> Michelle >>>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:28 PM >>>> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> when did they stop sending female convicts to Sydney >>>> >>>> I am looking for a Ellen Slattery born about 1836 Galway >>>> >>>> I have no idea how or when she arrived but she married a Joseph Francis >>>> Ennis in >>>> 1856 in Sydney >>>> >>>> Michelle Herbert >>>> Bateau Bay >>>> NSW >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:35:49 +1100 > From: "Michelle" <herbie_09@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F3BAE617AB444FC990E632EA36DBD58E@MichellePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi > > I have Ellen's marriage ..... and it gives her parents names John > Slattery > and Winifred Gorman and born in Galway Ireland. > > Ellen married after Joseph Ennis death to a Joseph Weeks Matthews but > after > that i cannot find anything after that. > > Michelle > > PS Thanks to everyone for your help > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery > > >> Hi Michelle >> >> Have you purchased any certificates i.e. Births, Deaths or Marriages to >> help >> you work this out lol >> >> Regards >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >> Michelle >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:28 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Ellen Slattery >> >> >> Hello >> >> Any suggestions where to look....lol >> >> Michelle >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:31:03 +1100 > From: Susan Lamberton <susanlamberton@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] no Margaret KENNY > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <ef7869ef0902130531q114fc4d6md2161af7023c2f0a@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Min, > > Thankyou Lesley. Well in that case you may find Janet Turner listed either > under that name, Jessie Turner, or Janet Timms. > > Kind regards, > Susan. > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Lesley Uebel > <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > >> Hi Min >> >> >> Don't forget that with this index sometimes the women are listed under >> their >> married surnames. >> >> >> Regards >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Minuet >> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:31 PM >> To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PJ] no Margaret KENNY >> >> >> I finally got a copy of the Parramatta Female Factory Index and .... >> No Margaret Kenny >> Several Margaret McKenna but the only one dated after Margaret's >> arrival in NSW, is 1843 which is after she arrived in VDL. >> >> So, now to order some Colonial secretary's letters. Does anyone >> know how I go about doing that? I can find info on ordering pre >> 1825 Col Sec but not the later stuff. >> Also, If I order several letters in one go, is it $25 each letter, >> or a lesser fee for the subsequent letters? >> >> cheers >> Min >> (S >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:41:34 -0500 > From: Matthew Hall <cispt2@gmail.com> > Subject: [PJ] When did convict administration end? > To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <30bc53720902130541i29879c33ycc7882c73d886a73@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I was looking for info on a William Bowman today (he submitted a > deposition > mentioning my ancestor Edward Ewer), and in doing so in the NSW "Index to > Convict Pardon" I noticed a William Bowman, Prince George, 1837 receiving > a > pardon type 'RW' in 1873. I'd never seen an RW before, and hadn't realised > that convict/ex-convict administration continued till this date and > beyond. > > Can anyone point me to a page that describes this aspect of convict > history? > Were convicts officially relinquished at some stage from public > administration? > > cheers > matt > > > > -- > Matthew D. Hall > > Washington, DC > > cell: +1 410 733 9444 > home: +1 202 370 6431 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:19:05 +1100 > From: Marina Grainger <mgrainger67@yahoo.com.au> > Subject: [PJ] Former Convict Departures > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <F55F3C92-3C15-424E-B362-0A829E07945B@yahoo.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Listers, > > I was wondering where to find departure records for convicts who > earned a Absolute Pardons and had left Australia. Now being free, I > guess they could travel on ships that other passengers traveled on. In > this case, it would be general departure records from Australia. > > The journey back to the UK was about 5 months I think, where would > such vessels stop along the way? > > Thank you, > Marina. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:58:30 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Former Convict Departures > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJMECAAAAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Marina > > You won't find a list unfortunately and no one knows just how many > convicts > returned home. > > I indexed all the people who left between 1803 and 1811 from the Sydney > Gazettes > although most of them were probably not convicts who had served their > sentence. > A bit difficult to tell unless they had an unusual name. > > > Nola Mackey indexed the "Passengers and Crew in and out of Sydney" (from > Sydney > newspapers) and these are available in 7 books for the following years > > 1830-1832 > 1833-35 > 1836 -37 > 1838 > 1839 > 1840 > 1841 > > The names of those arriving and leaving are listed alphabetically and > gives the > date of arrival or departure and ships name > > You could also try the AGCI Vol. 2 CD - 1832 - 1863 > > I think you will find that all ships had to stop of somewhere on the > return > journey to pick up fresh food and water...... and many went via the north > to > purchase items to sell (spices, timber etc) in the UK. > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Marina > Grainger > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:19 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Former Convict Departures > > > Hi Listers, > > I was wondering where to find departure records for convicts who > earned a Absolute Pardons and had left Australia. Now being free, I > guess they could travel on ships that other passengers traveled on. In > this case, it would be general departure records from Australia. > > The journey back to the UK was about 5 months I think, where would > such vessels stop along the way? > > Thank you, > Marina. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email > to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS mailing list, send an > email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 54 > ****************************************************** >

Hi Lesley and Marilyn "The 1837 General Returns of Convicts notes that he was assigned to Alexander Berry - Illawarra district." Yes this is the same Daniel Leary who is on Reel 1051 4/3686 page 76. On this list it does also give who each convict is assigned to but the writing is indistinct ...I could clearly see Illawarra but couldn't make out Alexander Berry but now knowing the name I can clearly see Alex Berry Esq. Checking Reel 699 would certainly confirm the relationship of this Daniel Leary and Mary Sullivan as husband and wife. Another suggestion is to check the "Irish Gift" Transportation Database reels at State Archives Kingswood. The Isabella 1840 was a female convict transport and when I looked at the Transportation Database reel I found that only my ggg grandmother and her daughter were aboard as free settlers whereas one of the other children a male was placed on board the King William a male convict ship leaving Dublin around the same time. Two other children remain unaccounted for. Good luck ...would be interested to know Marilyn if we have found the correct Daniel Leary. Rhonda

Hi Marilyn It appears as though Rhonda may have found that particular convict. He was the last one by that name to arrive in PJ - the others having been transported to VDL in the 1840's. The Indent for the Blenheim I (1) states that he was 32 years of age when he arrived, could read and write and was Roman Catholic. He was a married man with children, one male and one female. He gave his native place as Cork and his occupation was Waterman. Convicted at Cork City on 16 August 1833 for stealing money and received a 7 year sentence. No previous convicted noted. The 1837 General Returns of Convicts notes that he was assigned to Alexander Berry - Illawarra district. As you have found he received his Certificate of Freedom exactly when due in August 1840. Mary timed her arrival perfectly as the Isabella arrived from Ireland in July 1840 Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Marilyn Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:56 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Daniel LEARY & Mary SULLIVAN I have just found my ancestor, Ellen LEARY's baptism record Sep 1848 in Yass NSW which states that her parents were Daniel LEARY and Mary SULLIVAN. The Ireland Australia Transportation database has a record of a Daniel LEARY (Doc date 31/12/1839) with the comment "Convict's wife, Mary Sullivan, residing in Cork, granted a free passage to NSW" A second reference for LEARY (Doc date 00/12/1840) comments "Return of Free Settlers embarked on the Isabella for NSW. Wife's name Mary SULLIVAN" A third reference for Daniel LEARY , trial place Co Cork, trial date 00/03/1841 for sheep stealing 10 years - I assume this must be a different Daniel LEARY as his trial is after the date Mary Sullivan left on the Isabella. Does anyone have any connections to Daniel LEARY and Mary SULLIVAN or can give me an idea of the year & ship he arrived on? There are a couple of possibilities on the State Records index to Certificates of Freedom. Thanks Marilyn

Hi Marilyn My ggg grandmother was also granted a free passage to NSW and also arrived with her daughter on the Isabella 2 as a free settler to NSW in 1840. Her husband of course was a convict transported to NSW in 1829. He applied to the government to have his wife and children to be brought to NSW. I have paperwork regarding this request (Colonial Secretary's Office) and there are 16 names on the list making this same request. This may be sheer coincidence but a Daniel Leary per Blenheim 1834 is also on this list submitted to the government around 1838. If you have access to NSW State Archives this list can be viewed on Reel 1051 4/3686 page 76. I have a second document from Reel 699 Colonial Secretary's Office Sydney 1st November 1838. This document gives a lot of information but I only copied the one A3 page with my ggg grandmother and her husbands name so I only have six of the names of the sixteen on the original list (above) but they are in identical order to the first list so Daniel Leary's details will be on the page before this one which I think is page 23. Now what is important about this list is that it gives: Name of Applicant (the convict) Ship's name and year that the convict arrived on that ship Wife's maiden name and County Number of children Residence of wife and to whom known (often the local priest or reverend and others..I guess to prove their identity) So it could be just coincidence that a Daniel Leary and my convict ggg grandfather both had their names on that first list (Reel 1051 4/3686 page 76) and both had their wives arrive on the Isabella. Maybe it is worth a look especially at Reel 699 probably page 22 which would give this Daniel Leary's wife's maiden name. Hope this is some help to you and that he turns out to be the correct Daniel Leary. Also just checked Ireland Australia Transportation database and both my ggg grandmother and Mary Sullivan have the same information on their entries "Return of Free Settlers embarked on the Isabella for NSW" with the same document date etc. Good luck. Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn" <rmhandley@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: [PJ] Daniel LEARY & Mary SULLIVAN > A second reference for LEARY (Doc date 00/12/1840) comments "Return of > Free > Settlers embarked on the Isabella for NSW. Wife's name Mary SULLIVAN" > > Does anyone have any connections to Daniel LEARY and Mary SULLIVAN or can > give me an idea of the year & ship he arrived on? There are a couple of > possibilities on the State Records index to Certificates of Freedom. > > Thanks> > Marilyn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have just found my ancestor, Ellen LEARY's baptism record Sep 1848 in Yass NSW which states that her parents were Daniel LEARY and Mary SULLIVAN. The Ireland Australia Transportation database has a record of a Daniel LEARY (Doc date 31/12/1839) with the comment "Convict's wife, Mary Sullivan, residing in Cork, granted a free passage to NSW" A second reference for LEARY (Doc date 00/12/1840) comments "Return of Free Settlers embarked on the Isabella for NSW. Wife's name Mary SULLIVAN" A third reference for Daniel LEARY , trial place Co Cork, trial date 00/03/1841 for sheep stealing 10 years - I assume this must be a different Daniel LEARY as his trial is after the date Mary Sullivan left on the Isabella. Does anyone have any connections to Daniel LEARY and Mary SULLIVAN or can give me an idea of the year & ship he arrived on? There are a couple of possibilities on the State Records index to Certificates of Freedom. Thanks Marilyn

Hi Lesley "I indexed all the people who left between 1803 and 1811 from the Sydney Gazettes" Have you published this index? I would be looking for Mary Ann Graham, convict, and her husband Isaac Champion, NSW Regiment. Thank you Jan

Hello Marina If you go to the following site and search in the 'advanced search' say for the years 1803 to 1850 you will find that many ships were heading to Valparaiso Chile when they left the Colony. Some of these ships may have been heading back to England picking up goods for sale on the way. Goods were also brought into the Colony from Valparaiso Chile. For example in one article from the Sydney Gazette in 1820s wheat from Valparaiso Chile is discussed as being of being of high quality but "never clean". http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ Happy reading! Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina Grainger" <mgrainger67@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Former Convict Departures > Hi John, > > Very well explained thank you! I am very much a newbie at family > history and this was fascinating reading. Just wondering is some ships > may have stopped in Valparaiso Chile for supplies etc? > > Regards, > Marina.