Hi Robert - what time period and what do you already know? For example have you checked the musters? Also Lesley recommends that when you first list your convicts its a good thing to mention their ship's name and year of arrival. cheers Grahame On 25/02/2009, at 2:59 PM, Rabjohns wrote: > Hi , I am looking for any imformation on William and Thomas > Langford who were boat builders in Sydney. > Both were convict. > Any imformation would be most greatfull. > Regards Robert Rabjohns > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found no mention of Edward Powell in this new book on Johnstons, Kath Grahame On 25/02/2009, at 1:39 PM, Kath Connors wrote: > Many thanks Joan, Major George was a neighbou of our Edward Powell > in 1790 > at Concord Sydney, our gg grandfather and George junior worked > together in > the >

Yes thanks John. I was part of that debate, and hence why I made the post drawing attention to this new book. cheers Grahame On 25/02/2009, at 4:27 PM, John wrote: > > > Hi Grahame, > > > This has been a topic of much former discussion on this list, as to > the > (original) location of the Brickfield Hill, which is a very much > mentioned > place in Sydney or Port Jackson history. >

Hi Grahame, This has been a topic of much former discussion on this list, as to the (original) location of the Brickfield Hill, which is a very much mentioned place in Sydney or Port Jackson history. The name bacame almost a district name eventually for, with its own post office at one time I think .. and as you note, was then regarded as the "bit of George Street from the Town Hall down to the bottom of the slope". However the famous Anthony Hordens which advertised as being on Brickfield Hill once used to be on the opposite side of that low, on the Central side slope. Their original emporium there burned down. They relocated up the other side of the rise, the Town Hall side. They maybe 'took the name' (and the hill metaphorically) with them when they relocated? A case of pre-existing fame and advertising strategy "moving a hill" in the popular mind ,, if indeed that were right as to what has transpired. There's also mentions that will be come across by anyone who searches on this topic about the top of the hill being supposedly cut off and dumped in the valley, whence the topography's all a bit less than it now than it formerly was ... being the inference from that. But much of this may be reworked history and where the original brickfield hill was, that the colony very early used in building Sydney Town from, remains less than certain. I tend to more suspect that it was on the opposite side of the small valley, the haymarkets valley, that the original hill or hill slope was extensively stripped or quarried of clay, probably down to and just into the underlying weathered shale. Later on though, additional extractive site would have arisen, just to complicate things. I think it's pretty fair to say that the original records are not very precise location-wise on this, and a general false shift in the understanding of what was Brickfield Hill originally seems to have occurred. The main barracks for the early brick carters was just alongside the modern Central Railway complex, on the western side. There's no doubt that the original shallow quarrying was done down the southern end of old Sydney Town, but whether it really took place on the northern or southern side of the Haymarkets probably remains debatable. If someone has studied what all the excavations for the myriad tall building that now exist thereabouts went down into then that should have settled the question, by finding the traces, but I'm not aware if this has been done. Cheers, John At 04:45 PM 24/02/2009 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Wal > >A very good book published last year on George Johnston and Easter >Abrahams is Marine Officer - Convict Wife by Alan Roberts - cost >about $30. Published by the Annandale Urban Research Association. > >It gives a very good balanced view of their family life and their >children. Some other well known publications give biased views about >some aspects of their lives. > >I am not related, one of my ancestors was involved in some land >dealings that later involved George. > >And for those interested has a bit on the location of Brickfield >Hill, saying it was the bit of George Street from the Town Hall down >to the bottom of the slope. > >cheers > >Grahame > >On 24/02/2009, at 4:09 PM, walcarter wrote: > >> Hi Listers. >> Trying to find details about Ester Abrahams per Prince of Wales >> 1st fleet. Was she the same woman who married Major George >> Johnson ? also any details of her sentence and where & when born. >> Regards >> Wal Carter >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- >> JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi , I am looking for any imformation on William and Thomas Langford who were boat builders in Sydney. Both were convict. Any imformation would be most greatfull. Regards Robert Rabjohns

Many thanks Joan, Major George was a neighbou of our Edward Powell in 1790 at Concord Sydney, our gg grandfather and George junior worked together in the Yass district involved with thorough bread horses, there was ever so much wheeling and dealing with their leases of land and I just wondered if their leases have ever been recorded and if so we may be able to trace our gg grandfather. Regards Kath > > >> Hello >> May one join in on Major George Johnston, would anyone know if there are >> any books written on the properties >> that he had leasers to in N S W early days. our ancestor brought through >> bread horses to Australia for him in 1850. >> Regards >> Kath >> >>>> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Kath - continuing with Captain Johnstone as he was then. Note: Spelling from (c) onwards is Johnston (c) 1798/99 - Book 2B Grants by Governor Hunter No 777 Captain George Johnston April 6, 1798, Granted 172 acres in the district of Bankstown. Rent 2/- per year commencing after 5 years. (d) 1799 - Book 2B Grants by Governor Hunter No 838 Captain George Johnston Oct. 7 Granted 290 acres in the district of Petersham. Rent 2/- per year commencing after 5 years. (e) 1804 - Book 3C Grants by Governor King No 1272 Major George Johnston Aug 12 Granted 72 acres in the district of Bankstown. Rent: 2/- per year commencing after 5 years. (f) 1805/06 - Book 3C Grants by Governor King No 1311 Major George Johnston Dec 18, 1805 Granted 2,000 acres in the district of Cabramatta. Rent: £2 per year commencing after 5 years. NOW THIS NEXT BIT IS VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!! It looks like that from Nos. 1385 to 1397 (inclusive) it appears that the grants were issued by George Johnston including two to himself. The 3 previous grants had been issued by Governor Bligh and from No. 1398 they were issued by Joseph Foveaux. (g) 1807/1808 - Book 3C Grants by George Johnston No 1388 George Johnston July 8 1808 Granted 2,000 acres (don't know where). Rent 10/- per year commencing after 5 years. "Destroyed 8th September, 1825. F.G." (h) 1808 - Book 3C Grants by George Johnston No 1390 Granted 2,000 acres (don't know where). Rent: 10/- per year commencing after 10 years. "Entered in page 226 (Signed) N. Bayly. Secretary. to be continued in Part 3. Joan

Edward Powell (Powel) (a) 1793 - Book 1A - Grants by Francis Grose No. 108 Edward Powell May 28. Granted 80 acres at the Liberty Plains. Rent: 1/- per year for every 50 acres commencing after 5 years. "Consolidated in Simeon Lord's grant 1803. See folio 115 of the Third Register. Note: Grant no 107 went to a Mr Thomas Webb whose grant was also consolidated in Simeon Lord's grant presumably these 2 grants were next to each other (and guess what Simeon is my 3xgreat grandfather). (b) 1794 - Book 1A - Grants by Francis Grose No. 240 Edward Powell Nov. 11 Granted 60 acres at the entrance of the flats on the south side of Port Jackson. Rent: 1/- per year commencing after 5 years. (c) 1809 - Book 4D - Grants by William Patterson No. 1536 Edward Powel (sic) Sep 6 Granted 19 acres in the district of Liberty Plains. Rent 2/- per year commencing after 5 years. Major Johnstone (a) 1793 - Book 1A - Grants by Francis Grose No 104 Captain George Johnstone May 28 Granted 100 acres in the district of Petersham Hill. Rent 1/- per year for every 50 acres commencing after 5 years. (b)1794 - Book 1A - Grants by Francis Grose No 365 Captain George Johnstone Dec 11 Granted 22 and 18 acres bounded on the N:W (sic) and S:W (sic) by Hammond Hill and the road leading to Parramatta. Rent: 1/- per year commencing after 5 years. To be continued. Joan > Many thanks Joan, Major George was a neighbou of our Edward Powell in > 1790 > at Concord Sydney, our gg grandfather and George junior worked together in > the > Yass district involved with thorough bread horses, there was ever so much > wheeling > and dealing with their leases of land and I just wondered if their leases > have ever been > recorded and if so we may be able to trace our gg grandfather. > Regards > Kath >> >> >>> Hello >>> May one join in on Major George Johnston, would anyone know if there >>> are >>> any books written on the properties >>> that he had leasers to in N S W early days. our ancestor brought through >>> bread horses to Australia for him in 1850. >>> Regards >>> Kath >>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Jennifer, Sounds like some very interesting reading. One of my ancestors, Elizabeth Celey, arrived convict in 1790's. I wonder where she would have been living, in that illustration. Yes, thankyou, I would like a copy of the photo of the "Dog and Duck" please, as won't be able to get to the Mitchell Library. Elizabeth's daughter, Catherine Hanslow's relatives ran the hotel in 1800's. Kind regards, Susan in NSW. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:17 AM, JENNIFER STAINES <jsbuick8@bigpond.com>wrote: > Hi Susan > Glad that you gained something from the info provided by author Charles > Bertie. > Yes - the book is a bit old and special and I look after it. It's only 37 > pages but a fascinating read about early George St, Sydney. > e.g. there is a full page illustration drawn of George Street about 1795 > showing 'the first row of cottages in George Street, extending from Hunter > Street...towards King Street. The row behind George Street is Pitt Street. > At the top of Hunter Street on the left, the Rev. Richard Johnson's church > is visible.' > So if you can view a copy of it - it's well worth a browse. I should > imagine it would be available through the Library system - and surely would > be at Mitchell Library. > If you can't borrow a copy within a reasonable time - let me know and I'll > try and scan the image of the hotel and send it to you 'off list'. > > This (1920) book also advertises the publisher: Tyrell's Limited, 99 > Castlereagh Street. Some of their other publications sound fascinating. > For example, "The Sandhills" by A.G. Foster - An Historic Cemetery, being > an > account of the Devonshire St. Cemetery, 195 pages. 1/6d. And "Relics of > Old Colonial Days" by Sydney Ure Smith - contains twenty drawings of old > buildings etc at Eden, Windsor, Parramatta, Cobbity, Campbelltown, Hartley, > and "The Rocks" (Sydney), NSW and so on. > > I hope you and others will indulge me with an interesting tidbit from the > book. > Page 7: 'Running by the side of the institute is a passage still bearing > the imposing nameplate - "Bethel Street", but it is only the memory of an > erstwhile street. In this street was discovered, some 30 years ago, a > unique paving slab. On being lifted it was found to be the tombstone of a > man who came in the First Fleet...his headstone served to fill a crack to > keep the mud away...' The headstone is illustrated on Page 8: It reads: > 'In Memory of George Graves, Late Boatfwain [sic] Yeoman of His Majesty's > Ship Sirius Who departed this --- ye 10th July 178? Aged 48 years.' > > Cheers from Jennie. > South West of W.A. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Lamberton > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:59 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 > > Hi Jennifer, > Thankyou for the info re the "Dog and Duck" hotel... I'd like a copy of > that photo of the Dog and Duck. > Will see if the library can get a copy of the book, but I doubt it, sounds > rare. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Terry I called you Wayne by mistake Thanks also to Grahame and Rosslyn for lumber yard info. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: "Jenny T" [jennygirl@unwired.com.au] Date: 25/02/2009 10:40 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Fwd: Lumber Yards Hello Lesley and Wayne Thank you both for your replies and comments. I am still a little tentative in regards to how I should record Daniel Canvin's whereabouts. Some extra information has just been uncovered since I last wrote to the List. Daniel came from a family in Bristol and his father (also Daniel) was a blacksmith and a Bristol Burgess. Daniel arrived on the Elizabeth 3 Dec 1820 and I now have Daniel recorded, taken from theColonial Secretary's Papers, as Employed at New Lumber Yard on List of all persons victualled from H M Magazine 8 Sep 1821 reel 6016, 4/5781, p 95. Am I to take it that the NEW Lumber Yard is at Emu Plains? I also believe from another Lister that lumber would have been one of the main activities at the Emu Plains prison farm. I have done extensive research for the Lumber Yard that was in George Street and I uderstand what a hub of industry took place in lumber yards and with Daniel's background I would imagine that he would have worked as a blacksmith as that is what he did for the rest of his life. I too, have not been able to find a Ticket of Leave and I was interested to hear from you Lesley that it may have meant that he remained working for the government until his sentence expired in 1827. Is there anyway of finding out where this NEW Lumber Yard may have been 1821? Many thanks for Jenny I wrote: This is my brick wall; I am trying to find the Goverment Lumber Yard that my convict Daniel Canvin 1820> was employed. I had it all nicely pigeon holed and I was quoting in my research the Lumber Yard that was in Sydney Town corner of George and Bridge Street. I then obtained the General Muster List of NSW 1823, 1824, 1825, and here I find him under Goverment Employment at Emu Plains with a spelling of Cannivan. I now have to rethink my research. I was as wondering if anyone knew much about convicts at Emu Plains and if it had a Lumber Yard 1820- 1827. I am aware that Daniel ended up working for the Badgery Family all of his life however I am not sure when his Goverment Employemt ended and his work for the Badgery family began. I am also wondering why I can't find Daniel in 1822 Muster

Hello Lesley and Wayne Thank you both for your replies and comments. I am still a little tentative in regards to how I should record Daniel Canvin's whereabouts. Some extra information has just been uncovered since I last wrote to the List. Daniel came from a family in Bristol and his father (also Daniel) was a blacksmith and a Bristol Burgess. Daniel arrived on the Elizabeth 3 Dec 1820 and I now have Daniel recorded, taken from theColonial Secretary's Papers, as Employed at New Lumber Yard on List of all persons victualled from H M Magazine 8 Sep 1821 reel 6016, 4/5781, p 95. Am I to take it that the NEW Lumber Yard is at Emu Plains? I also believe from another Lister that lumber would have been one of the main activities at the Emu Plains prison farm. I have done extensive research for the Lumber Yard that was in George Street and I uderstand what a hub of industry took place in lumber yards and with Daniel's background I would imagine that he would have worked as a blacksmith as that is what he did for the rest of his life. I too, have not been able to find a Ticket of Leave and I was interested to hear from you Lesley that it may have meant that he remained working for the government until his sentence expired in 1827. Is there anyway of finding out where this NEW Lumber Yard may have been 1821? Many thanks for Jenny I wrote: This is my brick wall; I am trying to find the Goverment Lumber Yard that my convict Daniel Canvin 1820> was employed. I had it all nicely pigeon holed and I was quoting in my research the Lumber Yard that was in Sydney Town corner of George and Bridge Street. I then obtained the General Muster List of NSW 1823, 1824, 1825, and here I find him under Goverment Employment at Emu Plains with a spelling of Cannivan. I now have to rethink my research. I was as wondering if anyone knew much about convicts at Emu Plains and if it had a Lumber Yard 1820- 1827. I am aware that Daniel ended up working for the Badgery Family all of his life however I am not sure when his Goverment Employemt ended and his work for the Badgery family began. I am also wondering why I can't find Daniel in 1822 Muster

Thanks for the effort Gerry. regards Donna

Hi Susan Glad that you gained something from the info provided by author Charles Bertie. Yes - the book is a bit old and special and I look after it. It's only 37 pages but a fascinating read about early George St, Sydney. e.g. there is a full page illustration drawn of George Street about 1795 showing 'the first row of cottages in George Street, extending from Hunter Street...towards King Street. The row behind George Street is Pitt Street. At the top of Hunter Street on the left, the Rev. Richard Johnson's church is visible.' So if you can view a copy of it - it's well worth a browse. I should imagine it would be available through the Library system - and surely would be at Mitchell Library. If you can't borrow a copy within a reasonable time - let me know and I'll try and scan the image of the hotel and send it to you 'off list'. This (1920) book also advertises the publisher: Tyrell's Limited, 99 Castlereagh Street. Some of their other publications sound fascinating. For example, "The Sandhills" by A.G. Foster - An Historic Cemetery, being an account of the Devonshire St. Cemetery, 195 pages. 1/6d. And "Relics of Old Colonial Days" by Sydney Ure Smith - contains twenty drawings of old buildings etc at Eden, Windsor, Parramatta, Cobbity, Campbelltown, Hartley, and "The Rocks" (Sydney), NSW and so on. I hope you and others will indulge me with an interesting tidbit from the book. Page 7: 'Running by the side of the institute is a passage still bearing the imposing nameplate - "Bethel Street", but it is only the memory of an erstwhile street. In this street was discovered, some 30 years ago, a unique paving slab. On being lifted it was found to be the tombstone of a man who came in the First Fleet...his headstone served to fill a crack to keep the mud away...' The headstone is illustrated on Page 8: It reads: 'In Memory of George Graves, Late Boatfwain [sic] Yeoman of His Majesty's Ship Sirius Who departed this --- ye 10th July 178? Aged 48 years.' Cheers from Jennie. South West of W.A. -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Lamberton Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:59 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 Hi Jennifer, Thankyou for the info re the "Dog and Duck" hotel... I'd like a copy of that photo of the Dog and Duck. Will see if the library can get a copy of the book, but I doubt it, sounds rare.

Oops! Sorry that was my other great-grandmother - Not sure where in Ireland Margaret was from. Kerrie.

Hello Kath, Was your Major George Johnston in Sydney circa 1793 and would he have been a Captain then? Also I presume George Johnston (junior) would have been his son? George J (junior) received a grant of land in 1804. If either (or both) of these fit, I have some information I can forward to you. Joan Nichols ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kath Connors" <kcon@tsn.cc> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Ester Abrahams > Hello > May one join in on Major George Johnston, would anyone know if there are > any books written on the properties > that he had leasers to in N S W early days. our ancestor brought through > bread horses to Australia for him in 1850. > Regards > Kath > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Jennifer, Thankyou for the info re the "Dog and Duck" hotel. "...a great resort of the waggoners and men from the country" is interesting comment. Peter Hanslow and family ran the hotel for some years. My gggrandfather Joseph Hanslow moved out to the country, to Gulgong area NSW, and some of the family had bullock wagons. The family used to visit cousins in Sydney regularly- what a trip that would have been! Not like in our days of air conditioned comfort. I'd like a copy of that photo of the Dog and Duck. Will see if the library can get a copy of the book, but I doubt it, sounds rare. Kind regards, Susan, in NSW. On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM, JENNIFER STAINES <jsbuick8@bigpond.com>wrote: > Hi Susan & Lesley > > It's been interesting following this thread. > I have an old book published by Tyrell's Limited, 99 Castlereagh St, Sydney > in 1920 - titled 'The Story of Old George Street: A Chapter in Old Sydney' > by Charles H. Bertie, Fellow RAHS [author of 'Old Sydney'; 'Stories of Old > Sydney'; and 'The Story of Vaucluse House' etc. > > Page 37: has a photo of 'George Street south about 1883'. It is > captioned: > 'Portion of the DOG and DUCK HOTEL which is visible, stood on the western > side of George Street, about midway between Engine Street and Valentine > lane.' > An extract from the text states: > 'There was no likelihood of the teamsters who came to the Haymarket > suffering from thirst. I have before me a plan of this district in 1842, > and between Orchard's corner and Hay Street there are no less than five > public-houses. On the corner itself, just on the bend, stood, until > comparatively recent times, the old WHEATSHEAF INN, which occupied about > two-thirds of the footway - leaving but three of four feet for the traffic > to pass. What landlord could ask for more? A door in the middle of the > footway of George Street! A little lower down the street was the DOG and > DUCK, a great resort of the waggoners and men from the country. Next to > that was the old BLACK SWAN, then came the STEAM ENGINE, and after that the > ODDFELLOW. In addition to these, there were other public houses in the > vicinity, notably the WOOLPACK and the SQUARE and COMPASS, patronised > mainly > by the turfites of the period.' > [?? What are turfites] > > My interest: > In my family history I have a note that there is a connection to the SQUARE > and COMPASS Inn: > Notice: for John FRANCIS of the Square and Compass Inn, George St, South > [Sydney] of the funeral of his wife Jane [nee L'Andre or Landers born 11 > Aug > 1811 in Parramatta, NSW]. Notice in SMH 27 & 28.3.1851. [Mind you, > another > record says she died 28 Mar 1856?]. > This John FRANCIS was the fifth child of Thomas and Honora Francis and born > at Castlereagh circa 1807. > His father, Thomas FRANCIS arrived as a convict sentenced to 14 years on > board ship 'Admiral Barrington' 1791. Third Fleet. Died 3 Sep 1820 aged > 56yrs. Buried: Castlereagh. > His mother, Honorah/Honoria/Norah COLLINS was a convict sent out for 7 > years > from Kerry, Ireland on the "Marquis Cornwallis" in March 1795. Died 1837 > aged 67yrs. > > I believe that their first three children [born to Thomas Francis & > Honoria/Norah Collins] were baptised on their parent's wedding day 3.7.1801 > at St. John's, Parramatta! Minister: Samuel Marsden. Wedding witnesses > were Michael Collins & Mary Ward [both illiterate] - but I haven't been > able > to link Michael Collins with Honoria/Norah - although it's likely they were > related. > > Hope some of the Dog and Duck info helps - and you are able to find a copy > of this book in a Library near you to have a look at the photo. The book > contains lots of early George Street (and surrounds) illustrations - > including 'The First Picture of Sydney - in 1788' drawn by Cptn John Hunter > on 20 Aug 1788. Shows the 1st hospital & flagstaff [near Loftus St] & > canvas hut of Govnr Phillip, the 1st Govt. House. > Cheers Jennie > W.A. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Lamberton > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Sydney Hotels 1815 to 1830 > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have any info/photos/tales of the "Dog and Duck" or "Horse and > Jockey" hotels in Sydney run by the Hanslows, or the "Kingston Hotel run by > George Davis? > Thanks, > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello May one join in on Major George Johnston, would anyone know if there are any books written on the properties that he had leasers to in N S W early days. our ancestor brought through bread horses to Australia for him in 1850. Regards Kath

Dear Gerry, Would you mind to have a look for me - my great-great grandfather William Pimm married a Margaret Brannigan/Branagan/Branigan (we are not sure of the spelling) on 3 Sept 1848.She was from Longford, Ireland. We don't know if she was a convict or not - perhaps not, but the only one we have found arrived just days after the wedding date. Was there a Margaret Brannigan convict? How were convict marriages arranged if the bride to be was not already here? Thanks, Kerrie.

Hi, I am new to the list. My great-great grandfather, William Pimm, arrived at Port Jackson in 1833 on the Mangles 6, and was pardoned in 1848. He married in 1849 and set up a butcher shop on Crown St in Sydney. He and his wife Margaret Brannigan had 5 children, only two of which had children - our branch is descended from his son John - the other was from William John who married Louisa C. They had six children - Sarah Anne (B: 1881), William Henry (1883), John E (1886), Margaret M (1888) and Violetta A (1890). I would love to be in touch with anyone descended from them. I also have not yet got copies of his trial in Surrey (9/8/1832) or any prison records - not sure how - if anyone can advise? I would also like to get records of his business- registration etc. My father started, and I am continuing to research William - according to the convict records they looked just the same! All the best, Kerrie Pimm

Hi Wal Also both have entries on ADB online at http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/ Grahame On 24/02/2009, at 4:42 PM, Gary Luke wrote: > At 04:09 PM 24/02/2009, you wrote: > > Wal > > Esther Abrahams on the First Fleet was sentenced to 7 years > transportation at the Old Bailey on 30th August 1786 for stealing a > length of black lace. She was Johnson's defacto wife from the time of > their arrival although they weren't married until 1814. The daughter > Rosannah was born on 18 March 1887 in Newgate prison. She sometimes > used the surname Julian. Esther's marriage also used Julian as her > own surname. > > How are you related to her? > > > Gary >