Hi - sharing to the List - part of a message re: enquiry about the Lumber Yard sent to Jenny T. >From the book "The Story of Old George Street' (1920) by Charles H. Bertie. Page 20: Quote: 'We are standing at the intersection of Bridge Street with George Street, looking towards Pitt Street, and if, in some previous existence, we were standing there, say in the year 1820; it was a strange sight that met out eyes on the right-hand side of Bridge Street, between George and Pitt Streets. The place was called the LUMBER YARD, and in and out of the buildings that skirted the yard we would see men come dressed in a bizarre costume, half black and half yellow. For these were the CONVICT WORKSHOPS where the artisans unfortunate enough to be of that company were employed. The trades carried on in the LUMBER YARD, as given in a list of the day were those of blacksmiths, locksmiths, nailers, iron and brass founders, bellows makers, coopers, sawyers, painters, lead casters, harness and collar makers, tailors and shoemakers, carpenters, joiners and cabinetmakers. It is no wonder that the large landholders complained bitterly that they could get no mec! hanics out of Macquarie as assigned servants. That canny Scotch gentleman was the Australian forerunner of the exponents of state-owned industries.' 'Dean Cowper, in his interesting reminiscences of early Sydney, writes of the LUMBER YARD: "And here let me mention, though it is painful to call it to mind, an evil which existed for many years in the heart of the town in connection with the gang system. There was at the corner of George and Bridge Streets a yard called the LUMBER YARD, where the convicts in the Hyde Park Barracks were employed. It reached down to the Tank Stream. The men were employed in sawing timber, in carpentering, and making articles of furniture for the Government establishment. They were marched down to the yard in their clanging chains every morning, and back every evening. During the day, but more especially in the forenoon, one frequently heard the cries and moans of men suffering from the infliction of corporal punishment. It must have had a hardening and exasperating effect upon those who suffered it, and I fear that it was often very hastily administered, without a trial." 'The place of flogging of the convicts was afterwards moved to the Hyde Park Barracks, because, as an official report states, it was found at the LUMBER YARD that the flogger was either bribed or intimidated into sparing the rod, and (in the eyes of officialdom) spoiling the convict. The site of the LUMBER YARD was cut up and sold in 1830.' 'A little beyond the southern boundary of the LUMBER YARD we come to what is now Bond Street. Up to the year 1832 this street did not exist....' end of quote. The LUMBER YARD in Bridge Street was enclosed with a white fence [...and at the top of Bridge Street was Government House]. The Lumber yard is visible in an illustration (which is probably reproduced in many publications on early Sydney) - titled: 'Sydney, from St Phillip's Church in 1813' - looking down Grosvenor Street to Bridge Street. Cheers Jennie

Hi Warren, Mary Ann had a daughter to George Streeter and they named her Eliza. On the voyage Eliza, 17 years old, was wooed by John Nicholson, Chief Officer (ex-RN) and they married the day after disembarking in Sydney. They started having children in 1818. Regards, Russell >Hi Russell and Listers, > I am interested in Mary Ann Allen who was >on the Lord Melville, and in particular was hopeful that you may be >able to detail the names of her children to Josiah Allen (convict of >Fame). I understand that Mary Ann also had a daughter on board (Eliza >Ann Streeter), from a previous marriage. Do you know if that is >correct? Apparently Eliza married Captain? John Nicholson of the ship, >shortly after arriving. Do you know if Eliza had any children on board? > >Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > >Kind regards, Warren Diggins >________________________________________________________________________ > >

Hi Russell Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of the Lord Melville with me and for taking the time to recreate a passenger list for the 1816 voyage. I didn't realise one did not exist, listing at least, the convict women. Thank you again for your help Karen

Hello Listers I am still on Daniel Canvin's case and this time I am inquiring if there is such a document as an assignment register. Daniel ended up working for the Badgery family first at South Creek, Windsor/Bringelly and then at Majors Creek, Braidwood. I am not at all sure of the date that he joined the family. If he was in goverment service in a lumber yard could those convicts be hired by free settlers while serving their time or did they have to stay in goverment service until they were free. I do know that Daniel appears on the 1828 census as being employed by the Badgery Family at South Creek. Once more any help is so appreciated Jenny PS Yes, the suburb Badgerys Creek is named after the above family :-)

Hi Lesley and Kind Folk Thank you one and all for your time in helping me with my "new" Lumber Yard dilemma. All ideas are being actioned. Kind regards to all......Jenny

Hi Karen, The embarkation list is a report that Wetherell sent to the Transport Office (PRO Reel 4402, ADM 108/27, pp 33-38) on the number of female convicts and their children and wives of convicts and their children. There was also another list (CO 201/82 p211) which listed 13 free women 11 of whom were wives of convicts having 11 children between them. There is no passenger list as such and that is the reason I set out to create one! Instructions from Whitehall went out to various gaols from 22 June to mid July to deliver the female convicts to the Lord Melville but some convicts were not delivered until early August due to administrative bungling. Check SRNSW for "Colonial Secretary, Convict Ships Musters and other papers 'Lord Melville' to 'Lucy Davidson' 2/8267" - there is a shipload of information there. The LM departed Gravesend (River Thames) on Thursday morning 29 August 1816. It was a false start, before reaching the Downs they were blown away by a gale and, to cut a long story short, eventually hauled in off the Isle of Wight on 2 September where they had to make repairs to their topmasts. They eventually set sail proper on Monday 16 September 1816. The convicts remained on board the whole time. Charles Bateson wrote the mostly definitive reference on convict transports to Australia called 'The Convict Ships' - you can still buy second-hand copies - well worth it. The Bevatt 'twins' note is recorded in PRO Reel 4402, ADM 108/27, pp 33-38. I have the christening dates of the children. The written comment was probably made by an official, possibly Wetherell, and is their judgement of age - who knows? Your numbers are correct - a baby was born to one of the wives of convicts to raise their clutch from 11 to 12. John Gill was an officer of Macquarie's regiment and was in charge of mustering the Lord Melville. He sent his report to his CO. Macquarie, in a bunch of despatches regularly sent back to England, reported to his CO Earl Bathurst of the Colonial Office. Extant means merely 'in existence', i.e. there are no existing logs from the Lord Melville despite the fact that logs and journals had been a requirement for some years before the LM set sail. And yes, you could write a book about it. Regards, Russell - off for a fortifying Sunday red. Karen Hodges wrote: >Hi Russell > >Wow, Thank you very much for all that information > >I have a few questions, please > >Is the embarkation list, the Lord Melville's passenger record? > >In my notes[source not recorded, maybe from a James McClelland book] I >have written >Lord Melville page 183 >Mary Bevatt 4 children >12 July 1816 to board ship at Deptford in Goal of Newgate >18 July 1816 free infection disentry disease >sign by the Sheriff of Middlesex. > >I took this to mean she was on shore maybe in goal, prior to the 12 July 1816. > >The leave date from London is interesting, the journey took 162 days >it said in the Sydney Gazette which matches leaving on the 15 >September. I wonder if it was just an error or if an extra 18 days was >a short trip to another English port? Unfortunately not listed in the >London Gazette or the Times. > >What are the Bateson Records please? > >Interesting the term Twins for Joe and Isabella > >With regards the children's ages >Sarah christen 4 May 1800 >Mary Ann was born 29 Sept 1802 christen Oct 1802 >Isabella born 22 Oct 1804 christen Nov 1804 >Joseph born 24 Feb 1807 christen April 1807 > > 42 children embarked and 44 children arrived >consisting of 30 children belonging to convicts embarking minus one >male who died and three children born on the journey, equals 32 >children arriving belonging to convict women and 12 children to free >settlers. Have I worked that out correctly? > >Was John Gill responsible for checking off the convicts that arrived >on this ship? Was this information in a letter he sent to Macquarie? >The Letter to Earl Bathurst was this about sending the convicts to >him.... at Parramatta? > >What does 'extant' ship mean please? > >Thanks for your help > >Karen > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Listers, Can SKS please direct me to where I may find the details of the release of a prisoner from Cockatoo Island. George DUDLEY was amongst the initial group of 60 or so convicts sent to Cockatoo Island and his time would have expired mid 1841. He was under a Colonial sentence and had been granted an indulgence because of his help in saving lives and property from the wreck of the Friendship on Norfolk Island. I have found no Certificate of Freedom . Is there an index or other source that could give me the date please? Cheers Peter Melbourne

Hello and Happy St David's Day from Wales.   Is there anyone out there who knows whether they are descended from SARAH EVANS or GRACE JONES both from Denbighshire, tried Quarter Sessions 1786 and whose names appear on the lists for the Second Fleet?    Generous Listers have helped me with looking up records and relevant books, but some confusion remains and really it can only be solved if there are descendants from the women in Australia (or here).   They were tried on the same day and both sentenced to seven years' transportation.  They spent time in Ruthin Gaol, as the gaol records show, and were still there 1789.   Some books say they were pardoned and never left Wales; a pardon does exist. Other books say Sarah Evans (Neptune, Denbighshire, tried 1786) married James Stewart/d at Parramatta 1791 and there is a record in the register to this effect.   So - any descendants, please?  I am not a relative, but researching into some women prisoners from the gaol and soI am able to offer some info about their experiences of the British legal system in return.   Thank you very much.   Chris

HI Russell, Thanks for your reply. I shall provide a bit more information as to the reason for my enquiry regarding Mary Ann and Josiah Allen, and their children. I have an ancestor by the name of Benjamin Allen, who married in Sydney in 1842. I am trying to determine whether this fellow might be the convict of the Geiorgiana arrived 1831, or someone else. Other researchers of our common ancestors seem to think that our Benjamin might be the son of the abovenamed Josiah and Mary Ann Allen. My understanding is that Mary Ann had five children with her on the Lord Melville, the daughter Eliza Streeter you have mentioned, and Martha, Ann Josiah jnr. and Henry. Other researchers have advised that Josiah junior went by the name Benjamin, notwithstanding that Josiah snr. and Mary Ann had a son in Australia named Benjamin in 1819. I am wondering what Christian names were used for the children in the shipping records, as it may help to resolve this quandary. Child Henry supposedly later married Bridget Smyth, and Benjamin (born Australia) married Ann Waite. I can't find any other information on Josiah jnr. so it may be correct that he is my Benjamin. Regards, Warren ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Hi Russell and Listers, I am interested in Mary Ann Allen who was on the Lord Melville, and in particular was hopeful that you may be able to detail the names of her children to Josiah Allen (convict of Fame). I understand that Mary Ann also had a daughter on board (Eliza Ann Streeter), from a previous marriage. Do you know if that is correct? Apparently Eliza married Captain? John Nicholson of the ship, shortly after arriving. Do you know if Eliza had any children on board? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Warren Diggins ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Russell, Were there any Smiths on the Lord Melville either 1816 or 1830?? My g gpa was born around 1830 in Sydney according to his certs but no parents known. A family story said there were convicts as his parents or gran parents. A baby was born onboard ship on arrival in Sydney Cove to convict parents. O, sorry, his name was Charles Sylvester Smith. Cheers. Annie. > Russell <russellkel@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Karen, > > Mary spent over two years in gaol awaiting transportation. > Captain Wetherell's embarkation list of 18 July 1816 (the ship sailed on > > 29 August - not 15 September as Bateson records) lists these children of > > Mary's: > > Sarah Bevatt > Mary Bevatt > Joseph Bevatt > Isabella Bevatt > > The last two had the remark 'twins'. I can find no record of Sarah after > > arrival, but doing some numbers based on the muster of John Gill, 46th > Regiment to Macquarie and a letter despatched to Earl Bathurst by the > Gov, I have concluded that all children except one arrived safely. That > one was an infant boy. Three children were born on the voyage and 44 > came ashore in total. That number included "32 males and females" > children of convicts. Macquarie reported "44 children having arrived". > I have not confirmed Mary's marital staus on arrival but I would err > towards her being widowed or abandoned. > Many women (19 on the Lord Melville) came out with one or more children. > The Lord Melville has no extant ship or surgeon logs. > > Russell, > Brisbane > > > Karen Hodges wrote: > > >Hi Russell and list > > > >Thanks for your help. Unfortunately her marriage record to Joe doesn't > >state her martial status so she may or may not have been born a Gager. > > > >I am going through my research notes verifying what I have. I know > >others have recorded she was a widow when she arrived and that is why > >she brought her children with her. I thought I had a copy of the > >shipping record but I don't. Just some notes on the ship and on Mary. > >Amongst the notes I have written > >Lord Melville page 183 Mary Bevatt 4 children. Can someone confirm > >that Mary was listed with 4 children? 3 did marry in Australia but one > >is missing called Sarah. Some have suggested she may have died on the > >voyage but wouldn't this be recorded somewhere? > > > >The fact that her children came out with her, did this require any > >paper work? Or if children were allow to come out with female convicts > >was this restricted to say women who were widowed, single parents? > > > > I do have noted in 1822 land and stock muster of NSW that her > >occupation is Single. Does single confirm she was a widow or could it > >mean her Husband may still be alive; just not in Australia? > > > >Thank you > > > >Karen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

Hi Russell Wow, Thank you very much for all that information I have a few questions, please Is the embarkation list, the Lord Melville's passenger record? In my notes[source not recorded, maybe from a James McClelland book] I have written Lord Melville page 183 Mary Bevatt 4 children 12 July 1816 to board ship at Deptford in Goal of Newgate 18 July 1816 free infection disentry disease sign by the Sheriff of Middlesex. I took this to mean she was on shore maybe in goal, prior to the 12 July 1816. The leave date from London is interesting, the journey took 162 days it said in the Sydney Gazette which matches leaving on the 15 September. I wonder if it was just an error or if an extra 18 days was a short trip to another English port? Unfortunately not listed in the London Gazette or the Times. What are the Bateson Records please? Interesting the term Twins for Joe and Isabella With regards the children's ages Sarah christen 4 May 1800 Mary Ann was born 29 Sept 1802 christen Oct 1802 Isabella born 22 Oct 1804 christen Nov 1804 Joseph born 24 Feb 1807 christen April 1807 42 children embarked and 44 children arrived consisting of 30 children belonging to convicts embarking minus one male who died and three children born on the journey, equals 32 children arriving belonging to convict women and 12 children to free settlers. Have I worked that out correctly? Was John Gill responsible for checking off the convicts that arrived on this ship? Was this information in a letter he sent to Macquarie? The Letter to Earl Bathurst was this about sending the convicts to him.... at Parramatta? What does 'extant' ship mean please? Thanks for your help Karen

Hi Graham Thank you very much for the suggestions on where to look. Karen On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Grahame & Rosslyn Thom <grthom@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Karen > > You just might find more information on the AJCP reels for the PRO > Admiralty Class 108 - Transport Department Records.  I note the Lord > Melville departed in Sept 1816.  For 1816 the reels to look through > are Reels 4401/02 which covers Piece 26 and Piece 27.  You can > appreciate what Class and Piece means by thinking of a Class is like > a book and a Piece is like a chapter.  I would look at Reel 4402 first. > > For one of my convict ancestors I found English correspondence about > the loading of convicts and the permission and loading of wives and > children (all named). > > A death on board may be recorded in the ship's log or the surgeon's > journal.  There is a book "Log of Logs" by Ian Nicholson that should > tell you if a log exists for the Lord Melville 1816/7.  For surgeon's > journals (selected range) of convict ships you may find a copy for > the Lord Melville on AJCP reel 3201 which covers Admiralty Class 101 > Medical Departments, Registers, Medical Journals, Piece 44.  The > content of these handwritten journals can range from just statistics > to very good reports detailing who got sick and who died. > > I dont know where you live but each State Library should have these > reels and your local public library should be able to obtain them on > Interlibrary Loan. > > cheers > > Grahame > > > On 28/02/2009, at 8:33 AM, Karen Hodges wrote: > >> Hi Russell and list >> >> Thanks for your help. Unfortunately her marriage record to Joe doesn't >> state her martial status so she may or may not have been born a Gager. >> >> I am going through my research notes verifying what I have. I know >> others have recorded she was a widow when she arrived and that is why >> she brought her children with her. I thought I had a copy of the >> shipping record but I don't. Just some notes on the ship and on Mary. >> Amongst the notes I have written >> Lord Melville page 183 Mary Bevatt 4 children. Can someone confirm >> that Mary was listed with 4 children? 3 did marry in Australia but one >> is missing called Sarah. Some have suggested she may have died on the >> voyage but wouldn't this be recorded somewhere? >> >> The fact that her children came out with her, did this require any >> paper work? Or if children were allow to come out with female convicts >> was this restricted to say women who were widowed, single parents? >> >>  I do have noted in 1822 land and stock muster of NSW that her >> occupation is Single.  Does single confirm she was a widow or could it >> mean her Husband may still be alive; just not in Australia? >> >> Thank you >> >> Karen >> >> >> Karen >> >>> No, the marital status was not recorded in the indent records. I have >>> info that her previous surname was Gager and that her maiden name may >>> have been Medcalf; i.e. she was married twice. >>> >>> Russell >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- >> JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Karen, Mary spent over two years in gaol awaiting transportation. Captain Wetherell's embarkation list of 18 July 1816 (the ship sailed on 29 August - not 15 September as Bateson records) lists these children of Mary's: Sarah Bevatt Mary Bevatt Joseph Bevatt Isabella Bevatt The last two had the remark 'twins'. I can find no record of Sarah after arrival, but doing some numbers based on the muster of John Gill, 46th Regiment to Macquarie and a letter despatched to Earl Bathurst by the Gov, I have concluded that all children except one arrived safely. That one was an infant boy. Three children were born on the voyage and 44 came ashore in total. That number included "32 males and females" children of convicts. Macquarie reported "44 children having arrived". I have not confirmed Mary's marital staus on arrival but I would err towards her being widowed or abandoned. Many women (19 on the Lord Melville) came out with one or more children. The Lord Melville has no extant ship or surgeon logs. Russell, Brisbane Karen Hodges wrote: >Hi Russell and list > >Thanks for your help. Unfortunately her marriage record to Joe doesn't >state her martial status so she may or may not have been born a Gager. > >I am going through my research notes verifying what I have. I know >others have recorded she was a widow when she arrived and that is why >she brought her children with her. I thought I had a copy of the >shipping record but I don't. Just some notes on the ship and on Mary. >Amongst the notes I have written >Lord Melville page 183 Mary Bevatt 4 children. Can someone confirm >that Mary was listed with 4 children? 3 did marry in Australia but one >is missing called Sarah. Some have suggested she may have died on the >voyage but wouldn't this be recorded somewhere? > >The fact that her children came out with her, did this require any >paper work? Or if children were allow to come out with female convicts >was this restricted to say women who were widowed, single parents? > > I do have noted in 1822 land and stock muster of NSW that her >occupation is Single. Does single confirm she was a widow or could it >mean her Husband may still be alive; just not in Australia? > >Thank you > >Karen > >

Hi Karen You just might find more information on the AJCP reels for the PRO Admiralty Class 108 - Transport Department Records. I note the Lord Melville departed in Sept 1816. For 1816 the reels to look through are Reels 4401/02 which covers Piece 26 and Piece 27. You can appreciate what Class and Piece means by thinking of a Class is like a book and a Piece is like a chapter. I would look at Reel 4402 first. For one of my convict ancestors I found English correspondence about the loading of convicts and the permission and loading of wives and children (all named). A death on board may be recorded in the ship's log or the surgeon's journal. There is a book "Log of Logs" by Ian Nicholson that should tell you if a log exists for the Lord Melville 1816/7. For surgeon's journals (selected range) of convict ships you may find a copy for the Lord Melville on AJCP reel 3201 which covers Admiralty Class 101 Medical Departments, Registers, Medical Journals, Piece 44. The content of these handwritten journals can range from just statistics to very good reports detailing who got sick and who died. I dont know where you live but each State Library should have these reels and your local public library should be able to obtain them on Interlibrary Loan. cheers Grahame On 28/02/2009, at 8:33 AM, Karen Hodges wrote: > Hi Russell and list > > Thanks for your help. Unfortunately her marriage record to Joe doesn't > state her martial status so she may or may not have been born a Gager. > > I am going through my research notes verifying what I have. I know > others have recorded she was a widow when she arrived and that is why > she brought her children with her. I thought I had a copy of the > shipping record but I don't. Just some notes on the ship and on Mary. > Amongst the notes I have written > Lord Melville page 183 Mary Bevatt 4 children. Can someone confirm > that Mary was listed with 4 children? 3 did marry in Australia but one > is missing called Sarah. Some have suggested she may have died on the > voyage but wouldn't this be recorded somewhere? > > The fact that her children came out with her, did this require any > paper work? Or if children were allow to come out with female convicts > was this restricted to say women who were widowed, single parents? > > I do have noted in 1822 land and stock muster of NSW that her > occupation is Single. Does single confirm she was a widow or could it > mean her Husband may still be alive; just not in Australia? > > Thank you > > Karen > > > Karen > >> No, the marital status was not recorded in the indent records. I have >> info that her previous surname was Gager and that her maiden name may >> have been Medcalf; i.e. she was married twice. >> >> Russell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I didn't follow all this closely so maybe someone else has answered better than me already? I can see you thinking the "New" Lumber Yard (in 1821) may not be the older well known Lumber Yard in George Street. That maybe it was at Emu Plains, Parramatta, Liverpool, but no one seems to know? I only know of the mentions in Geoffrey Scott's "Sydney Highways of History" and a few other mentions. That indicates that the early Timber Yard and Lumber Yard were both in George Street. (They Lumber Yard was at/near George at Bridge as you probably have gotten a lot on already). The main early stoneyard was said to be "across from the Lumber Yard" too. The "Lumber Yard" over time becomes like a sort of institution or department name I think, responsible for the work of over 2000 men in all. It's a bit like a 'Department of Timber and Timber Products' .. originally based on big lumber cutting pits but growing topsy turvy with extra add-on functions/undertakings I think ... carpenters, cabinet makers, wood turners if they had lathes at that time, shingle makers and even the government gardeners may have been early controlled out of this place or administration. I think in 1804 what later became "Lumber Yard" was just called the convict workshop. The convicts did not live at the Lumber Yard. They were marched there each morning at 5 a.m. to get ready for work. Note that it was in or about 1821 that the Dockyard was expanded to south of the Commisariat. The Lumber Yard then occupied three acres running down to the Tank Stream at around the current intersection of Bridge and George Streets. This area apparently had a brick wall around it and was employing over 2000 men by 1821. Hence it was the ?main government enterpise going at the time. The upper reaches of the Lane Cove River is where much of the tree felling went on, to move the wood by water to Sydney Cove for cutting up by large pit saws into timber .. which was then stacked at the Timber Yard further along George Street. Whether any of the sites closer to where the trees were felled were also called government lumber yards I have no idea. Maybe there was some "New" lumber yard started somewhere else around 1821? Or maybe that is when they refurbished/enlarged/re-organised the Sydney Cove one? But why not ask the Forestry Department .. lumbering is forestry related business and they should know all this history. As consequence of the latest round of downsizing/amalgamating of government departments, Forestry is now in Primary Industry department. Their head office is at Beecroft. See http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/forests Or write to cumberland@sf.nsw.gov.au for any forestry related matters. Cheers, John

Hello, Just given nothing more than the five time snippets on Daniel as listed, why not think he really did work at the well known Lumber Yard at Sydney Cove, then shift to Emu Plains some time 1821/1823? If he had 7 year sentence in 1820, then free in 1827 and looks for paid work and ends up with the "Badgeries" at South Creek. I imagine they are the settlers who Badgerys Creek is named after. For years they wanted to move Sydney airport to there, but then that idea just seemed to go away or get forgotten and Sydney airport is still where it used to be. I know I have a knack of changing subject but all things seem to be connected. I think you have done a good job and have a fair life history on him in those years already. He's not moving around much, from Sydney to South Creek, during that time ... very small distance compared to the initial leap or dislocation from Britain to Sydney. Cheers, John ~~~ At 07:00 PM 27/02/2009 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Lesley and List > >Lesley thank you so much for being willing to post once more >the information on Lumber Yards. I am no nearer the >truth however I may just have to skip Daniel Canvin's life during >his seven year sentence. > >Long Bow, I don't suppose anyone can help me find when Daniel >Canvin began work with the Badgery Family, South Creek. Or maybe >as Lesley mentioned he stayed in goverment work until he had served >his sentence. If so, does anyone know how I can track these seven >years? > >Daniel arrived per Elizabeth (3) Dec 1820 for seven year sentence >Daniel appears on list victualled H M Magazine 8 Sept 1821 he is at New Lumber Yard >Daniel appears on General Muster List 1823 he is at Emu Plains >Daniel appears on Permission to Mary, 5 Aug 1826, we have never located his marriage >Daniel appears on 1828 census and he is now with the Badgery Family free by servitude > >Any long bow appreciated >Jenny > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jenny Have you checked the Col. Sec. microfiche Reel 6016; 4/5781 page.95 That particular (whole) reel will probably give you some pointers regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jenny T Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:00 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Lumber Yard thank you Hello Lesley and List Lesley thank you so much for being willing to post once more the information on Lumber Yards. I am no nearer the truth however I may just have to skip Daniel Canvin's life during his seven year sentence. Long Bow, I don't suppose anyone can help me find when Daniel Canvin began work with the Badgery Family, South Creek. Or maybe as Lesley mentioned he stayed in goverment work until he had served his sentence. If so, does anyone know how I can track these seven years? Daniel arrived per Elizabeth (3) Dec 1820 for seven year sentence Daniel appears on list victualled H M Magazine 8 Sept 1821 he is at New Lumber Yard Daniel appears on General Muster List 1823 he is at Emu Plains Daniel appears on Permission to Mary, 5 Aug 1826, we have never located his marriage Daniel appears on 1828 census and he is now with the Badgery Family free by servitude Any long bow appreciated

Hi Jenny Re any long bow appreciated. You could try variations of the spelling of Daniel's surname on the NSW BDM website. I came up with one : Daniel Canavan married Jessy Grant 1846 @ Roman Catholic Church Maitland Ref. V1846482 94/1846 Lyn

Hi Russell and list Thanks for your help. Unfortunately her marriage record to Joe doesn't state her martial status so she may or may not have been born a Gager. I am going through my research notes verifying what I have. I know others have recorded she was a widow when she arrived and that is why she brought her children with her. I thought I had a copy of the shipping record but I don't. Just some notes on the ship and on Mary. Amongst the notes I have written Lord Melville page 183 Mary Bevatt 4 children. Can someone confirm that Mary was listed with 4 children? 3 did marry in Australia but one is missing called Sarah. Some have suggested she may have died on the voyage but wouldn't this be recorded somewhere? The fact that her children came out with her, did this require any paper work? Or if children were allow to come out with female convicts was this restricted to say women who were widowed, single parents? I do have noted in 1822 land and stock muster of NSW that her occupation is Single. Does single confirm she was a widow or could it mean her Husband may still be alive; just not in Australia? Thank you Karen Karen > No, the marital status was not recorded in the indent records. I have > info that her previous surname was Gager and that her maiden name may > have been Medcalf; i.e. she was married twice. > > Russell