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    1. Re: [PJ] 1817 ship Lord Melville
    2. Lesley Uebel
    3. .... but Russell, I would swap the descriptions for the material available about the earlier convicts any day :) Also, the convicts who arrived early were often given land grants or leases and are included in many more of the available Musters. If a convict went AWOL their description was sometimes noted in the SG, MM or SH. Although the Indent for the Royal Admiral (1792) does not include much apart from the basic details, I envisage my James Kelly as a wiry young fellow and from his CP (only) do I know that he had sandy coloured hair. I doubt he was tall although his colonial born son was just over 6 feet. Have you decided on a title for your book as yet ? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Russell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:03 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] 1817 ship Lord Melville Ha ha, thanks Lesley, The LM indent is not as informative as others - there is no description of the convicts for instance. Indeed, only in the last few weeks have I decided to rule off on the research I'm doing, otherwise it could go on indefinitely! I have a pile of ColSec 1826+ to type in and compile into the narrative and perhaps a bit of the newspaper records. Other than that I will draw the line and leave the loose ends to other researchers. The main aim of the book is to establish: the relationships formed from a lengthy voyage and the fate of those that sailed on board. It is not to fully flesh out in detail every person's (Lord Melville-wise) life in the colony from every possible record - and that is what I have to remind myself of! Russell

    03/03/2009 02:13:34
    1. [PJ] Convict Movements
    2. Terry Flowers
    3. Good evening all. What would be the best resource to check regarding convict movements between Sydney and VDL and vice versa around 1820 to 1825? I'm looking for both convict names and the ships that may have transported them. Probably a big ask. Regards. Terry

    03/03/2009 01:16:31
    1. Re: [PJ] Assignment Register
    2. Lesley Uebel
    3. Hi Jenny, You have probably received a few answers by private email. It is not always possible to find where a convict was located at any one time. Many of these type of records for NSW convicts no longer exist due and one reason is due to the fire at the Crystal Palace that held many of our convict records. I am not sure of what records were ever available. I did transcribe convicts assigned during 1821 - 1825 and Daniel is not listed although some who were assigned to James during that period are included. Here follows some of the methods one can use when researching assignments. Convicts were assigned: * assigned to the Government for office or labouring work * Government Gang (eg Iron/Road Gang) * to a private individual. * assigned to their spouse .. although not a serving convict spouse * female convicts could have also been sent to the female factory There are a number of ways to find to whom your convict was assigned . Check Colonial Secretaries Papers 1788 to 1825 and also the post 1825 Index by Joan Reese. . Check the Index under the name of the particular ship on which your ancestor arrived. . The 1828 Census and the various Musters and General Returns will assist in tracking your convict as they mention to whom your convict was assigned at that point in time, although they may have left immediately after the Muster or Census was taken. . Many convict Indents (especially in the later years) note to whom a convict was assigned on the far right hand side of the Indent . Check the Index to Assignment Registers 1821-1825 Microfiche. This register records date of bond, to whom assigned, residence, convicts name, ship, occupation, date of payment commencing, date & cause of return. I have transcribed this and it is included in my Anthology of PJ Convicts . Check female Factory Index 1826-1848 . Check the Government Gazettes . Check the Sydney Gazette . The Convict Death Index lists the name of the person for whom a person was working at their time of death, in some instances . Books, for example, The Convict Timbergetters of Pennant Hills by Hawkins, also list some assigned convicts. . Nola Mackey (Grafton Family History Centre) has transcribed many of those assigned between 1830 and 1832. . Check the internet for any listings of convict assignments as some may be mentioned in web sites put up by various people. AND from the State Records of NSW web site at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/default.htm 1. List of women servants in the employ of Officers or other housekeepers furnished to the Judge Advocates Office, Sydney, 7 November 1798. The list notes name of house servant and number of children, who they were in service to and sometimes husband's name. Microfilm AO 655 2. Returns of Public labour, Lumber Yard, Parramatta. Superintendent of Carpenters, 12 Jan 1811- 1812 (Mitchell Library A 2086-8) 3. Returns of convicts sent to various districts after being disembarked 1814 - 1825. These returns are part of the series Colonial Secretary; Letters sent within the Colony. They show to which district a convict was assigned and frequently the master's name. The names of the convicts do not appear in the indexes to the respective volumes. 4. Register of Artificers and other Labourers assigned 24 December 1825. (4/4520 microfilm AO586) 5. Register of convicts who were not Artificers and who had been assigned 24 December 1821 - 31 Dec 1824 (4/4521) 1825 (4/4522 - microfilm AO586) 6. Alphabetical list of assigned convicts who were not mechanics February 1822 - December 1824. (4/4570D microfilm AO 586) 7. Certificates stating that the necessary Bonds for the maintenance of convicts had been entered into 1822 - 1825 (2/1626.1 microfilm AO586) 8. Papers regarding convicts in the employ of T. R. Townson, John Campbell and G. F. Palmer 1822 - 1823 (5/3821.1 microfilm AO587) 9. Weekly returns of men employed at the Government Stock establishment on the Cowpastures Oct 1822 - Dec 1823 (4/7028C) 10. Nominal return of Bonded Mechanics and to whom they were assigned April 1824(5/3821.1 microfilm AO587) 11. List of Defaulters in payment for assigned convict tradesmen 1824 . (5/3821.1 microfilm AO587) 12. Alphabetical list of persons to whom convict mechanics have been assigned 1822 - 1823 ( X53 microfilm AO587) 13. Alphabetical list of convicts who have mustered in the service of Robert Crawford 1823 - 1825 (4/1841A pp 151 - 153 microfilm AO 1078) 14. Statements of the way convicts were employed at various Government establishments Oct 1824 (4/1775 pp 164 - 173) at Baulkham Hills (p. 167) , Emu Plains (pp 164 - 165) , Grose Farm ( pp 171 - 172) , Longbottom (p 173) , & Rooty Hill (pp 168 - 170) Microfilm AO 15. List of absconding convicts and assigned servants 1822 - 1825 ( 4/452 microfilm AO 587) 16. Lists of men employed at Wallis Plains May to August, & December 1826 (4/2772.2 photocopy at COD 226 pp 1 - 2) 17. Report of Board on minimum rate of allowance for convict servants 1826 (4/1791 p. 237 microfilm AO702) 18. Papers regarding quantities of land cleared by clearing parties for various settlers 1823 - 1826 2/1626.2 photocopy at COD224) 19. Petitions from wives of convicts for their husbands to be assigned to them 1826 - 1827 (4/7084 microfilm AO588) 20. Register of persons prohibited from receiving convict servants March 1826 - Dec 1833 (2/8209 microfilm AO 2664). The volume records names of person prohibited, residence, date of Colonial Secretary's letter requesting prohibition (Col. Sec. Copies of letters sent re convicts) and occasional references to letters cancelling it. 21. Memoranda Book 1829 - 1937 and Record of applications for assigned convicts 1828 - 1841 (2/8208 microfilm AO2664). The volume contains copies of letters sent regarding the land, disposal and assignment of convicts off convict ships 13 August 1829 - 11 December 1833 and other matters relating to convicts. Included is a list of persons not to receive assigned convicts and a register of applications for assigned convicts 1838 - 1841. (AO 2664) 22. Butts of Tickets of Exemption from Government labour 21 June 1827 - 24 September 1832. This Index is on-line State Records. (Microfilm AO 589) 23. Registers of exemption from Government labour 1828 - 1832. The registers show date of issue, name of holder, ship & year of arrival, with whom and in what district the convict will reside (4/4061 & 4062 microfilm AO590) 24. Road Gang Reports 1827 - 1830 ( 9/2689 microfilm AO590). Reports, usually monthly of the various road gangs, detailing place stationed and overseer; and for each convicts, name, ship, job, casualties, discharge. 25. Warrants to discharge convicts to assist in harvesting - 1828. The warrants were issued by the Superintendent of Police, Parramatta to the Surveyor of Roads and Bridges in order to discharge convicts from road gangs to assist the settlers named in the warrant with harvesting (4/2011.1 photocopy COD 227 pp 1 - 18) 26. Return of convict mechanics at the Lumber Yard 1831 - 1832 (2/8166 microfilm AO 2652) 27. Papers regarding the assignment of female convicts who arrived on the Buffalo 1833 (4/2180.3 microfilm AO590) 28. Register of convicts employed at the Government Stock Station, 1834 ( 4/8367 microfilm AO2652). This volume was a record kept by a convict overseer, whose chief responsibility was the working oxen employed by the road gangs being rested at Mulgoa. The monthly records record the number or name of each gang, the district where it was working, the name of the overseer and where stationed, and details of the oxen. There are also detailed returns of the stock being depastured at Mulgoa. The register includes returns of convicts employed at Mulgoa, noting name, ship and how employed. 29. Lists of convicts assigned to Surveyors and the Surveyor Generals Dept 1838 - 1844. ( 2/1626.4 photocopy COD 227 & microfilm copy AO592) 30. Petitions for reassignment 1829 - 1839, (X645-6 microfilm AO591) 31. Register of Assignment Bonds of convict servants to Naval & Military Officers 1829 - 1841. (4/4519 microfilm AO592) Brief details are noted alphabetically by Officer's name in the register. 32. Butts of Tickets of Private Employment 1841 - 1842. (4/4287 photocopy COD 214 & microfilm AO 592) The butts provide details for each convict of arrival, trial, physical description, who was to employ him, for what purpose, how much the employer was to lodge in the Savings Bank per month to credit the convict, and how much he was to give the convict besides providing him with board and lodging. Indexed in front of volume. 33. Daily record of convict farm gang believed to relate to a farm Gang employed at Elizabeth Bay) May to December 1864. The volume records particulars of each convict's daily work, identifying them by their name, ship, class, nature of employment, amount of work performed, conduct, industry. (2/8395) 34. Appin district. Returns of convicts received, assigned and returned, Jan to Apr, July, October to December 1824. (2/8283 pp. 49-76 microfilm AO 592) 35. Bathurst: Returns of men employed at the Government Stock establishment, noting station, name, whip and how employed - June 1823 - October 1827 (4/7029A microfilm AO593). Weekly returns of public labour performed by Government Gangs, Jan - Aug 1826 (4/1916), showing names, trade or calling and nature of employment. Return of mechanics employed November 1826 (4/1916). Monthly returns of convicts assigned Jan. 1825, Jan to July 1826. (4/1916 microfilm AO 593 and 599) 36. Bathurst: Annual alphabetical returns of applications for assigned servants 1836 - 1839. (4/7554 microfilm AO593) The return shows names of applicant, name of property, total number of acres, number of acres cultivated, where situated, nature of tenure, how occupied, number of convicts applied for, number in present service and date of application. 37. Emu Plains; Returns of labourers selected from and distributed by the Benches at Penrith and Windsor October - December 1823. (2/8283 pp 165/173/175/181 microfilm AO 593) 38. Emu Plains: Weekly returns of convicts employed at the Government Agricultural establishment August - September 1826 (4/1917.3 microfilm AO594) 39. Northumberland and Durham counties. Monthly returns of convicts assigned Feb - Nov 1824 (2/8283 microfilm AO593) 40. Queanbeyan: Depositions of assigned persons. June 1838 - October 1844 (4/5650 microfilm AO594) 41. Vale of Clywd. Applications for convict labourers and mechanics Sept 1835 - Sept 1838 (4/5675 microfilm AO 2652) 42. Vale of Clywd: Register of convicts returned to Government and reassigned 1837 - 1839 (4/5675 microfilm AO 2652) 43. Yass District: Musters of Ticket of Leave men about 1843 to 1850 (Mitchell Library (ML Mss 2480) Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jenny T Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:13 AM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Assignment Register Hello Listers I am still on Daniel Canvin's case and this time I am inquiring if there is such a document as an assignment register. Daniel ended up working for the Badgery family first at South Creek, Windsor/Bringelly and then at Majors Creek, Braidwood. I am not at all sure of the date that he joined the family. If he was in goverment service in a lumber yard could those convicts be hired by free settlers while serving their time or did they have to stay in goverment service until they were free. I do know that Daniel appears on the 1828 census as being employed by the Badgery Family at South Creek. Once more any help is so appreciated Jenny PS Yes, the suburb Badgerys Creek is named after the above family :-)

    03/03/2009 12:26:15
    1. Re: [PJ] Convict Movements
    2. Russell
    3. Check the SAG site for ships musters - they have a database for people leaving in that timeframe: http://www.sag.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56&Itemid=44 Russell Terry Flowers wrote: >Good evening all. > >What would be the best resource to check regarding convict movements between >Sydney and VDL and vice versa around 1820 to 1825? >I'm looking for both convict names and the ships that may have transported >them. Probably a big ask. > >Regards. >Terry > > >

    03/03/2009 12:25:44
    1. Re: [PJ] 1817 ship Lord Melville
    2. Lesley Uebel
    3. Hi Karen Russell didn't say there was not a list of convicts who arrived on the "Lord Melville" as there is and the Indent is available. Russell is writing a book about the females and other passengers who did arrive on that ship and provided some of the sources he is using. I look forward to seeing the finished product Russell when you complete it..... that is if one can ever "complete" such a book. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Karen Hodges Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:15 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] 1817 ship Lord Melville Hi Russell Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of the Lord Melville with me and for taking the time to recreate a passenger list for the 1816 voyage. I didn't realise one did not exist, listing at least, the convict women. Thank you again for your help Karen

    03/03/2009 12:09:26
    1. Re: [PJ] 1817 ship Lord Melville
    2. Russell
    3. Ha ha, thanks Lesley, The LM indent is not as informative as others - there is no description of the convicts for instance. Indeed, only in the last few weeks have I decided to rule off on the research I'm doing, otherwise it could go on indefinitely! I have a pile of ColSec 1826+ to type in and compile into the narrative and perhaps a bit of the newspaper records. Other than that I will draw the line and leave the loose ends to other researchers. The main aim of the book is to establish: the relationships formed from a lengthy voyage and the fate of those that sailed on board. It is not to fully flesh out in detail every person's (Lord Melville-wise) life in the colony from every possible record - and that is what I have to remind myself of! Russell Lesley Uebel wrote: >Hi Karen > >Russell didn't say there was not a list of convicts who arrived on the "Lord >Melville" as there is and the Indent is available. > >Russell is writing a book about the females and other passengers who did arrive >on that ship and provided some of the sources he is using. > >I look forward to seeing the finished product Russell when you complete it..... >that is if one can ever "complete" such a book. > > >regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > >

    03/03/2009 12:02:33
    1. Re: [PJ] Old News...Sharks at Sydney in the Past.
    2. Linda Brown
    3. I found a film clip showing Beryl Morrin a few years after her tragedy. Here is the link. http://australianscreen.com.au/titles/australia-today-man-eater/clip2/ Sorry Lesley for being off topic Linda Brown -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kath Connors Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 11:28 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Old News...Sharks at Sydney in the Past. What great news to hear Beryl Morron is still alive, that part of the Georges River ( Kentucky) we all learnt to swim in 1930 and you have brought back great memories to me especially that sad New Year night. Kath ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/03/2009 09:56:52
    1. Re: [PJ] george morgan
    2. Stan Elgood
    3. Hi Lorraine, I checked the online convict transportation registers at the Qld State Library and they have quite a few listed by those names but only a few in that time frame: George Morgan 1797 per Barwell and one per Almorah 1817 William Morgan on Hillsborough 1798 and one listed as follows in the year you mentioned 1791 :- William Morgan - Lady Penryn, Scarborough, Alexander, Active, Albermarle, Atlantic, Barrington, Britannia and so the list goes on - it appears this was the Third Fleet of 1791 If you search the Qld State Library convict transportation registers on-line you will find what their crimes were, where they were tried and their sentence. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston" <pauleonlad1@bigpond.com> To: <aus-convicts@rootsweb.com> Cc: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: [PJ] george morgan > Hi Listers, > Can anyone help me with some info on GEORGE MORGAN arrived 1791 on > "ALBEMARLE" > or WILLIAM MORGAN also arrived on the "Albemarle". Both convicts ??? > Is anyone connected to them or does anyone know what became of them? > > Lorraine from Sth Western Sydney. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/03/2009 04:35:59
    1. Re: [PJ] Old News...Sharks at Sydney in the Past.
    2. Kath Connors
    3. What great news to hear Beryl Morron is still alive, that part of the Georges River ( Kentucky) we all learnt to swim in 1930 and you have brought back great memories to me especially that sad New Year night. Kath

    03/03/2009 04:27:37
    1. Re: [PJ] george morgan
    2. Lesley Uebel
    3. Hi Lorraine, Neither arrived as convicts on board the Albemarle. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:13 AM To: aus-convicts@rootsweb.com Cc: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] george morgan Hi Listers, Can anyone help me with some info on GEORGE MORGAN arrived 1791 on "ALBEMARLE" or WILLIAM MORGAN also arrived on the "Albemarle". Both convicts ??? Is anyone connected to them or does anyone know what became of them? Lorraine from Sth Western Sydney.

    03/03/2009 01:44:37
    1. [PJ] george morgan
    2. Paul,Lorraine,Des Heuston
    3. Hi Listers, Can anyone help me with some info on GEORGE MORGAN arrived 1791 on "ALBEMARLE" or WILLIAM MORGAN also arrived on the "Albemarle". Both convicts ??? Is anyone connected to them or does anyone know what became of them? Lorraine from Sth Western Sydney.

    03/02/2009 05:13:27
    1. Re: [PJ] Old News...Sharks at Sydney in the Past.
    2. Fay Fraser
    3. Linda... The tale your Grandmother told of a swimming companion being attacked and having both her arms amputated at Milperra on the Georges River.....I have met this lady she is still alive today and is a Great Grandmother ... Fay- Gold Coast.

    03/02/2009 12:26:33
    1. Re: [PJ] Old news ... sharks at Sydney in the past
    2. Linda Brown
    3. Hi List I remember my grandmother telling the tale of a swimming companion being attacked and having her arms severed at Milperra on the Georges River in the late 1930's early 1940's Linda Brown -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 1:19 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Old news ... sharks at Sydney in the past Hello, And they ranged up the rivers too. I remember when I was a kid that they said a dog was bitten or taken by a shark near De Burghs bridge (south of Pymble) on the Lane Cove River. That's about as far up any river that a shark could go? Further back in the geological record they also lived in water bodies unconnected with the sea ... reminescent of crabs that are still found in far northwestern NSW (I've seen them there myself) but a crab bite is nothing compared to a shark bite. Cheers, John

    03/02/2009 10:01:54
    1. [PJ] More old news
    2. Lesley Uebel
    3. Another bit of old news - but not meant to encourage discussion about current times and only posted to demonstrate how little changes over 200 years In a letter from Governor Macquarie to the Secretary of State, Liverpool Public road from Sydney to the Hawkesbury --------------------------------------------------- In the Seventh Paragraph of my despatch, dated the twenty-seventh of October, 1810, I informed Your Lordship that I had it in contemplation to form a regular public road between the town of Sydney and the River Hawkesbury, leading thro' the town of Parramatta, and the intermediate inhabited Parts of the Country, the whole being a distance of nearly forty miles; I have now the honour to inform Your Lordship that this road was completed, so far as the town of Parramatta, being a distance of sixteen miles, and opened as a Turnpike Road on the tenth of April last, two Toll Bars having been previously erected thereon, under the usual regulations which were published by Proclamation on the thirtieth of last March, a copy of which I now transmit for Your Lordship's inspection and approbation. Road from Sydney to Parramatta -------------------------------------- The road, so far as is yet finished, is a remarkably good one, and proves a very material accommodation and benefit, both to the inhabitants of Sydney and Parramatta, and to those of all the surrounding country, who were nearly secluded from all intercourse by the almost impassable state of the old road. Road from Parramatta to Windsor --------------------------------------- The continuation of this line of road from Parramatta to Windsor (the new name which I have recently given to the principal settlement on the banks of the Hawkesbury) is now in considerable forwardness, and will be finished, I expect, in the course of four or five months from the present time. When completed, I mean to establish it as a Turnpike Road in the same manner as I have already opened the road between this place and Parramatta. The advantages to the country at large from this already communication will be felt full as sensibly as they have been on the line already opened, the old road having been, if possible, worse than that between Sydney and Parramatta. Public appreciation of the roads ------------------------------------ The rate of toll established on the Parramatta Road has been on so moderate a scale that no murmur or complaint has ever been raised against it, the people feeling much pleased and happy with the accommodation thus afforded them, and the facility with which they can now travel on foot or on horseback, in carts or carriages, from one part of the country to another. Road to be made from Sydney to Liverpool ------------------------------------------------ When the road to Windsor shall be finished, I purpose commencing a similar road from Sydney to the new town of Liverpool, being distance of about twenty miles. In the vicinity of this latter town I have lately made a very considerable number of grants of land to small settlers, who prove very industrious, and I trust will be highly beneficial to the country by the clearing and cultivating forest lands. Roads paid for by loans from police fund ---------------------------------------------- The expense attending the construction of these public roads, which has been very considerable, has been paid out of the Colonial Police Fund; and this Fund arises principally from the duty of three Shillings per gallon which I have laid on all spirits imported into this Country. This advance from the Police Fund may be properly considered as a loan from it, for it is to be repaid by the amount of Tolls levied at the Turnpike Gates, after deducting the salaries paid to the Gate Keepers etc, which is regularly paid into the hands of the Treasurer of the Police Fund, and is so considerable, as not only to pay the interest of the money so advanced, but also to leave a considerable surplus for the reduction of the principal itself. Source HRA Vol VII Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

    03/02/2009 09:45:57
    1. Re: [PJ] Old news
    2. Michelle
    3. Hello How interesting about the sharks .... Michelle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/02/2009 09:34:00
    1. Re: [PJ] Old news ... sharks at Sydney in the past
    2. South Coast Promotions
    3. http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/tag?name=Sharks 1800 - 1820 Cathy Dunn

    03/02/2009 06:36:55
    1. Re: [PJ] Old news ... sharks at Sydney in the past
    2. John
    3. Hello, And they ranged up the rivers too. I remember when I was a kid that they said a dog was bitten or taken by a shark near De Burghs bridge (south of Pymble) on the Lane Cove River. That's about as far up any river that a shark could go? Further back in the geological record they also lived in water bodies unconnected with the sea ... reminescent of crabs that are still found in far northwestern NSW (I've seen them there myself) but a crab bite is nothing compared to a shark bite. Cheers, John At 11:43 AM 2/03/2009 +1100, you wrote: >Thanks for the below items Lesley. It is a reminder to us that the >Harbour has always been the home to sharks. >Regards, >Jill J > >-----Original Message----- >From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:aus-pt-jackson- >Hi everyone, > >Just a few articles from the Sydney Gazette that I did send a number >of years >ago. News does not change much over the centuries. > > >October 1805 > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

    03/02/2009 06:19:06
    1. Re: [PJ] Old news
    2. Max Bancroft
    3. G'Day Leslie, I'm almost certain that Eric Jolliffe did a cartoon along these lines many years ago. Regards Max -------Original Message------- From: Lesley Uebel Date: 2/03/2009 10:47:34 AM To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com Subject: [PJ] Old news Hi everyone, Just a few articles from the Sydney Gazette that I did send a number of years ago. News does not change much over the centuries. October 1805 A few days ago some people who were at work in North Harbour were suddenly surprised by the shouts of terrible distress vociferated by a native, whom they observed to be paddling for the shore with every exertion of which the human frame can be conceived capable. The author of his terrors was a prodigious shark, which escorted him with voracious attention, and has once more struck the little wretched vehicle that scarcely separated him from his apparently devoted prey. The poor fellow had fortunately been successful in collecting a little pile of fish; and these he one by one administered to the appetite of his pursuer, by which happy artifice he reached the shore at the very instant that his whole stock was expended. He appeared thoroughly sensible of his obligation to the providence that had preserved him, and declared in amazement that ten yards must have sacrificed him. --------- July 1806 A Caution to Parents On Tuesday last a shark of immense size appeared at the Hospital Wharf at high water, and regaled itself upon some pieces of refuse fish that had been thrown in. After making numerous evolutions to the terror of the spectators, who sincerely rejoiced at the same time that no ill fated child had fallen within its merciless grasp, the prodigious monster sheered away unharmed, as no weapon could be procured in time to assault it. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .

    03/02/2009 06:17:17
    1. Re: [PJ] Old news
    2. Jill Jackson
    3. Thanks for the below items Lesley. It is a reminder to us that the Harbour has always been the home to sharks. Regards, Jill J -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson- Hi everyone, Just a few articles from the Sydney Gazette that I did send a number of years ago. News does not change much over the centuries. October 1805

    03/02/2009 04:43:15
    1. [PJ] Old news
    2. Lesley Uebel
    3. Hi everyone, Just a few articles from the Sydney Gazette that I did send a number of years ago. News does not change much over the centuries. October 1805 A few days ago some people who were at work in North Harbour were suddenly surprised by the shouts of terrible distress vociferated by a native, whom they observed to be paddling for the shore with every exertion of which the human frame can be conceived capable. The author of his terrors was a prodigious shark, which escorted him with voracious attention, and has once more struck the little wretched vehicle that scarcely separated him from his apparently devoted prey. The poor fellow had fortunately been successful in collecting a little pile of fish; and these he one by one administered to the appetite of his pursuer, by which happy artifice he reached the shore at the very instant that his whole stock was expended. He appeared thoroughly sensible of his obligation to the providence that had preserved him, and declared in amazement that ten yards must have sacrificed him. --------- July 1806 A Caution to Parents On Tuesday last a shark of immense size appeared at the Hospital Wharf at high water, and regaled itself upon some pieces of refuse fish that had been thrown in. After making numerous evolutions to the terror of the spectators, who sincerely rejoiced at the same time that no ill fated child had fallen within its merciless grasp, the prodigious monster sheered away unharmed, as no weapon could be procured in time to assault it. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

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