Great idea Lesley, I would want to find William Brittain/en/on and ask him was he really the father of Ann Leader's child in 1817 and, if so, how did he get back to Port Jackson in time for this to happen after stealing the ship Unity from the Derwent in 1813. And how come he wasn't hung. I would also ask if it was really his co travellor Frederick Callaghan (Guildford and co pirate of the Unity) listed in the 1825 PJ muster. I would also ask if he enjoyed his life in New Norfolk and was his son James the owner of the Rose that sailed regularly from Port Cygnet to Hobart. And then, given his record, I probably wouldn't believe a word he said!! Regards, Natalie

Lesley and List. William MORGAN was a convict , he arrived at Port Jackson on board the "Neptune' of the second fleet in 1790. A contributor to the List, Clare Stapleton Concord, has comprehensively researched William and his descendents and the FRAZER family. I have some details of Clare's research and will await her answer to the query on the List before I attempt to add any further details. Happy Birthday and my thanks to all who have made this list so informative and interesting. Regards Ken Meredith at King Creek..

Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, Michael Kenny. Lyn Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > >

But John.... :) Your gggg etc grandparents may have used a method to record the family history way back in the 1820's i.e.. a family Bible. One may have been passed down one line only to be tossed by someone who was not interested and certainly didn't want a record of a convict on the family. How many times as that happened! How many times do we see family Bibles up for sale? How many times do we find old photographs that have been tossed out by someone for sale at the local markets? Computers are commonplace these days, but we don't know what will be available in say, 200 years. Some people upload their family history onto various web sites but we just don't know if these will still exist in 200 plus years. Lots of copies of the written word - I hope will survive and be retained by at least a few who are interested. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John Caling Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:53 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel All written down for them Lesley. Why on earth would anyone wonder why a person would move from Canberra to the Sunshine Coast? I thought the answer would be rather obvious.

Well, I would visit JOHN GREEN (Earl St Vincent 1820) and ask him when he was going to die and where he was buried!!!! Sandra S _________________________________________________________________ Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Hi again It may be best to include your convicts names in the subject heading otherwise we are going to have a lot of messages with just the words "Time travel" in the heading regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

Hi Lesley That's easy; the first would be Thomas Timms, he arrived on 11 August 1827 on Manlius. Thomas was born in Stafford England about 1804, committed his crime in Tamworth Warwick 6 March 1826 and was captured in Leicester where he was convicted on 20 March 1826. I would pick Tom so I could ask him about his first wife and child [boy or girl?] What were their names? Where were they married? Where was the baby christened? Where were they living, was it Stafford or Warwick? Would his wife know what had happen to him? If there was time I would ask where he was christened? Who his Dad Charles married and where? If only there were time machines..... Karen On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > >     Lesley Uebel >     mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >     CLAIM A CONVICT >     http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would be invisible so would not have to worry. :) The others would have to employ Japhet White per "Surrey" to organise some forged documents. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of anne caroline pittard Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:45 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel And how would you explain your presence there.

Hi List I tell my kids that one day ( hopefully not too soon) when I walk through those pearly gates (I hope) all my ancestors will be waiting there to greet me and boy! do I have some questions for them. I'll get rid of all these darned brick walls. Regards Rod McDonald Convict ancestors: Robert Forrester 'Scarborough' 1st Fleet 1789, Isabella Jane Ramsay ('MaryAnn' 3rd Fleet), Matthew Lock 'Surprise 1790', Euphram Graham 'Pitt 1792', Thomas Hodgetts 'Scarborough 2nd Fleet, Charles Homer Martin 'Charles Stuart 1818', James Stephenson (Midas2 1827) Non-convict pioneer family interest; Peter McLaren, wife Robina McDiarmid with family aboard 'Hero' from Leith Scotland 1839 ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 90 > > > The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: happy birthday (june robinson) > 2. Time travel (Lesley Uebel) > 3. Re: Time travel (Jan) > 4. Re: Time travel (South Coast Promotions) > 5. Re: Time travel (Cheryl Woodward) > 6. Re: Time travel (John Caling) > 7. Re: Time travel (Russell) > 8. Time travel (Stan Elgood) > 9. Re: Time travel (Lesley Uebel) > 10. Re: Time travel (Lesley Uebel) > 11. Re: Time travel (Jill Jackson) > 12. Re: Time travel (Jan Koperberg) > 13. Re: Time travel - Japhet White (Lesley Uebel) > 14. Re: Time travel (anne caroline pittard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:38:18 +1000 > From: "june robinson" <therobos2@tadaust.org.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] happy birthday > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1176AFD2867346429D1298A7315BC30A@ONE> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Congratulations Lesley for a great list and very helpful. > Thanks for all the help I have received over the years. > June Qld > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:56 PM > Subject: [PJ] PJ List > > >> >> We are now 8 years old :) >> >> >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 > 19:32:00 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:59:18 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJKEAOABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:26:38 +0900 > From: "Jan" <boris52@iprimus.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01f901c99ed4$8789cc20$969d6460$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Oh Lesley, if I could zip back to 1832, and get hold of Sarah Norris , > I'd > be able to ask her how she met and married my gggrandfather Haycock James > Hutton, and perhaps find out where he was born. > Something I've been trying to find out for nearly thirty years!!!! > > Then I'd get them to walk me to the shoemakers shop they had in upper > George > St. > Find out why they split up and how he came to W.A. > > Also I'd ask Sarah what happened to her daughter, that is mentioned in her > trial notes. > And why on earth did she think she could steal silk from her boss and fill > her wardrobe full of lovely clothes unnoticed, when she was just a house > keeper?? > > Ah what fun it all would be. > > Sorry you asked now Lesley? > > Best regards, > Jan D. > W.A. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley > Uebel > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 11:59 AM > To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:32:25 +1100 > From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00bd01c99ed5$5581c380$0400000a@OFFICEPC1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mary Loveridge; Royal Admiral 1792 > Why? > Was Priscilla Loveridge also of the Royal Admiral 1792 her sister > And what happen to Priscilla's child born of the voyage > With Priscilla disappearing from the Colony by 1799, who looked after her > children, such as her daughter Prudence b. 1798 Sydney d 1816 Sydney > > Back to Mary > her natural child - Thomas LOVERAGE d. 1795 > a) whereabouts at the Old Sydney Burial ground was he buried > and when was he born > b) was Thomas Dargin her husband to be, the father of Thomas > > Did Thomas Dargin (Seaman of the Royal Admiral 1792) fall in love with her > on the voyage and is that why he jumped ship and stayed in NSW > > Cathy Dunn > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley > Uebel > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 1:59 PM > To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:44:40 +1100 > From: "Cheryl Woodward" <cherwoodward@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <10542E7E63BF4C3492DA4C55A3A509A4@OWNERF5B875214> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > > I have 3 convicts. 2 of them John Casey and James Farrell served their > sentence and disappeared from the convict system without getting into > trouble but Edward Wilson was different. > > He arrived 1832 via the Hercules II (3). He is recorded as being in gaol > during the 1837 muster and seems to have gotten into trouble after > receiving > his CF. I want to know why he couldn't behaviour himself and why his son > Thomas Augustus refused to name him as his father? And also what happened > to > his wife Mary Ann Cunningham/Gunningham? > > Cheers > Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:54:44 +1000 > From: "John Caling" <jcaling@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <20F0C87BFF794DFC8CABA5AB065D0AF2@home67bf3cac6b> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi List & Lesley, > > The first convict ancestor I would visit would be my GG Grandfather in > 1826, > Henry Copas (per Speke 2). I have so many brick walls around this person > that have been frustrating me for many years. The first question I would > ask > would be did he really commit the crime he was tried for or was he just an > accomplice to Samuel Barnett and Harry Ward who were tried with him. Next > I > would ask about the circumstances surrounding his absconding from the > service of William Ogilvie at Merton in June 1826 before being apprehended > a > week later. I would also like to know why he went to Wollongong after > receiving his TOL and what he did there. Then I would like to know the > reason for moving to Hillgrove and Hernani the employ of Richard Hargrave. > I > would also like to know what life was like for him and his family in those > times. > > Then I would like to visit his wife, Sarah Carroll (per Surrey 1) in 1852 > to > find out what happened to Henry and their daughter Mary. Apparently he > died > between 1851 and 1852 on Hernani Station and there has been no death > recorded for him anywhere. Their daughter Mary seems to have disappeared > into thin air after being born in 1847. > > I guess I will just have to keep wondering about these matters as I > seriously doubt time travel will become a reality in my lifetime. > > :-)) > > Cheers, > > John Caling > Currimundi, Qld. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:10:28 +1000 > From: Russell <russellkel@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <49B1F3B4.3040905@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Good scenario Lesley, > > A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The > Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to > have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I > would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age > I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of > 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in > detail. > > Sigh - in my dreams. > > Regards, > Russell, > Brisbane > > Lesley Uebel wrote: > >>Hi everyone, >> >>Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >> >>Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:20:19 +1000 > From: "Stan Elgood" <stane@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <870A0BD18DDD40649B3432BC11BCB632@lynette1948> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Lesley, > > I now have 5 direct convict ancestors but the one I would first visit > would be Robert Higgins per Admiral Gambier 1811. > > He had a short but interesting life. He was a soldier in the 95th > Regiment of Foot, 2nd Battalion. He travelled to far flung places of the > world in his short lifetime. > > He visited Ireland, then shipped to Colonia in Uruguay where the British > had an offensive on the River Plate. Then later was involved in the war > with Napoleon at Walcheren (part of Holland). According to research > details : > > "Forty thousand men landed at Walcheren intending to destroy Napoleon's > new fleet. But the British sailed with barely a day's supply of quinine > and no hospital ships. In a master stroke of ecological warfare, Napoleon > breached the Dutch dykes creating breeding grounds for mosquitoes. Soon > thousands of invaders fell sick and a hundred a week died. The force > ignominiously withdrew". > http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/N2870.ny/B1157483.2;sz=1x1;ord=2006.03.12.37.58? > > Robert was court martialled at Walcheren for stealing a watch from a dutch > local and was transported. He became a Constable and farmer in NSW. > > "In November 1827 Surveyor Dixon set out alone to explore the Burragorang > Valley, where he was completely lost for four days and came close to > losing his life". It is uncertain why Dixon named a creek (Bob Higgins > Creek) in the Burragorang Valley after Robert Higgins, perhaps they had a > close association or travelled together on his surveying expeditions. > Perhaps it was Robert Higgins who found him when he was lost, we'll never > know. Sadly, Robert had separated from his wife before this time. A > witness stated at the inquest that he found her with another man. A > coroner's inquest was held into his death in 1828 where it was found he > died from an asthma attack a hut in the mountains. A poignant statement > was given to the court of inquest by a friend who was with him when he > died. Soon after his death his wife applied to have his two children > placed in the orphanage. > > He fitted a lot into his short life and would have some very interesting > stories to tell. Asthma has plagued each generation since, even my > grandchildren today. > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:18:56 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJOEAPABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > So John, > > Do you think your gggg grandchild will ask "I wonder why John Caling moved > to > Queensland in 2007" ?? > > or do you have it all written down for them? > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John > Caling > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:55 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > Hi List & Lesley, > > The first convict ancestor I would visit would be my GG Grandfather in > 1826, > Henry Copas (per Speke 2). I have so many brick walls around this person > that have been frustrating me for many years. The first question I would > ask > would be did he really commit the crime he was tried for or was he just an > accomplice to Samuel Barnett and Harry Ward who were tried with him. Next > I > would ask about the circumstances surrounding his absconding from the > service of William Ogilvie at Merton in June 1826 before being apprehended > a > week later. I would also like to know why he went to Wollongong after > receiving his TOL and what he did there. Then I would like to know the > reason for moving to Hillgrove and Hernani the employ of Richard Hargrave. > I > would also like to know what life was like for him and his family in those > times. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:25:02 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJEEBAABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Russell > > I have often thought the same i.e. visiting Port Jackson in the 'very' > early > days although I must admit I would prefer to be invisible at the time. I > don't > know if I could cope with some of the characters around in those days.:) > > regards > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Russell > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:10 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > Good scenario Lesley, > > A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The > Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to > have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I > would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age > I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of > 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in > detail. > > Sigh - in my dreams. > > Regards, > Russell, > Brisbane > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:28:18 +1100 > From: "Jill Jackson" <jilljackson@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E955714EAA5A4784AE52FD3C089868A4@max> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thankyou Lesley, > > Japhet White! I would like to know all about the fake Dies that made > the English so upset. > Regards, Jill J > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson- > > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:32:37 +1100 > From: "Jan Koperberg" <jank@eftel.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4DC9B180FF424863AEF8B03D9C25BC04@Koperberg> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Lesley and List > > I think I would visit Isaac Perrett (Hadlow 1818) first. He is one of my > second great grandfathers and the Perrett family is the ancestral line to > which I have had the most contact. My mother's mother Mary Maud Perrett, > born in Singleton in 1880, was the youngest of 13 children, and I still > have > contact with quite a few of my second cousins in the that line, and have > had > since I was a child. My grandmother's father George, born in Singleton in > 1832, was the son of Isaac Perrett and Mary Ross (her father John Ross - > Duke of Portland 1807 and mother Elizabeth Bennett - Canada 1810). I > would > like to thank Isaac Perrett for becoming an honest, hardworking citizen > and > for laying the foundation for the generations that have followed. > > Happy 8th birthday PJ list. > > Regards > Jan Koperberg > Blue Mountains > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" > <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:59 PM > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >> >> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >> >> >> regards >> >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:42:14 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - Japhet White > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJOEBAABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Jill, > > Not the first Attorney to be tried for forgery :) > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jill > Jackson > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:28 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > Thankyou Lesley, > > Japhet White! I would like to know all about the fake Dies that made > the English so upset. > Regards, Jill J > regards > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:45:02 +1100 > From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200903070445.n274j3hA023036@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > And how would you explain your presence there. Have you read Diane > Gabaldon's time travel novels?? Just google. Cheers. > Annie from a cycloneless Cairns, Aus. > > >> Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> >> Hi Russell >> >> I have often thought the same i.e. visiting Port Jackson in the 'very' >> early >> days although I must admit I would prefer to be invisible at the time. >> I don't >> know if I could cope with some of the characters around in those days.:) >> >> regards >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of >> Russell >> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:10 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> >> >> Good scenario Lesley, >> >> A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The >> Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to >> have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I >> would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age >> I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of >> 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in >> detail. >> >> Sigh - in my dreams. >> >> Regards, >> Russell, >> Brisbane >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Cheers. 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What a wonderful concept, Time Travel ! If I could be transported back in time the first ' gentleman ' I would like to chat to would be my 3rd great grandfather Donald Kennedy ( Royal Admiral 1792 ) and his wife Ann Grant who came free on board the same vessel. I would ask about life in Urquhart Inverness in those so far away times, why he committed the crime that he did, and just how tough was farming life in the Colony in those early days. I would then like to ask Ann Grant about her memories of her grandfather William Grant and if he related any tales about his participation in the Battle of Culloden, his transportation to the West Indies for six years and just how did he manage to get back to Scotland ? All the unanswered questions would then be asked of all the other six direct line convicts but that would take an age to complete and I'm sure that even the Tardis doesn't have that amount of time for one traveller. Arnie

And how would you explain your presence there. Have you read Diane Gabaldon's time travel novels?? Just google. Cheers. Annie from a cycloneless Cairns, Aus. > Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Hi Russell > > I have often thought the same i.e. visiting Port Jackson in the 'very' > early > days although I must admit I would prefer to be invisible at the time. > I don't > know if I could cope with some of the characters around in those days.:) > > regards > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Russell > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:10 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > Good scenario Lesley, > > A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The > Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to > have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I > would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age > I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of > 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in > detail. > > Sigh - in my dreams. > > Regards, > Russell, > Brisbane > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

Hi Jill, Not the first Attorney to be tried for forgery :) Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jill Jackson Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:28 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel Thankyou Lesley, Japhet White! I would like to know all about the fake Dies that made the English so upset. Regards, Jill J regards

Hi Lesley and List I think I would visit Isaac Perrett (Hadlow 1818) first. He is one of my second great grandfathers and the Perrett family is the ancestral line to which I have had the most contact. My mother's mother Mary Maud Perrett, born in Singleton in 1880, was the youngest of 13 children, and I still have contact with quite a few of my second cousins in the that line, and have had since I was a child. My grandmother's father George, born in Singleton in 1832, was the son of Isaac Perrett and Mary Ross (her father John Ross - Duke of Portland 1807 and mother Elizabeth Bennett - Canada 1810). I would like to thank Isaac Perrett for becoming an honest, hardworking citizen and for laying the foundation for the generations that have followed. Happy 8th birthday PJ list. Regards Jan Koperberg Blue Mountains ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: [PJ] Time travel > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thankyou Lesley, Japhet White! I would like to know all about the fake Dies that made the English so upset. Regards, Jill J -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson- Hi everyone, Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? regards Lesley Uebel

Hi Russell I have often thought the same i.e. visiting Port Jackson in the 'very' early days although I must admit I would prefer to be invisible at the time. I don't know if I could cope with some of the characters around in those days.:) regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Russell Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:10 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel Good scenario Lesley, A concept I've often thought about - I imagine materialising at The Rocks in late 1808 and heading up to the pub 'The Cornwallis Frigate' to have a chat with Joseph Morley of the Second Fleet. Over a few ales I would extract all the answers to the questions that in this present age I know can't be answered. After him I would work my way down the list of 9 or so related convicts and their kin and collect their stories in detail. Sigh - in my dreams. Regards, Russell, Brisbane

No contest - Margaret Kenny (Asia, 1830) & (Marion Watson, 1841). Maybe then I could find out if she was 4'11' or 5'6" ! Funny thing is I always said I wanted a time machine to visit Catherine (Margaret's daughter), my brick wall of 24 years, the apple really didn't fall far from the tree ;) Minuet At 01:59 PM 7/03/2009, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > >Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why?

So John, Do you think your gggg grandchild will ask "I wonder why John Caling moved to Queensland in 2007" ?? or do you have it all written down for them? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John Caling Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:55 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel Hi List & Lesley, The first convict ancestor I would visit would be my GG Grandfather in 1826, Henry Copas (per Speke 2). I have so many brick walls around this person that have been frustrating me for many years. The first question I would ask would be did he really commit the crime he was tried for or was he just an accomplice to Samuel Barnett and Harry Ward who were tried with him. Next I would ask about the circumstances surrounding his absconding from the service of William Ogilvie at Merton in June 1826 before being apprehended a week later. I would also like to know why he went to Wollongong after receiving his TOL and what he did there. Then I would like to know the reason for moving to Hillgrove and Hernani the employ of Richard Hargrave. I would also like to know what life was like for him and his family in those times.

Hi Jan, I just read a note I'd made that Francis Johnson of the 'Lord Melville' was one of the witnesses to Sarah and Haycock's marriage in 1832, and that Sarah was described as a widow. Do you know her maiden name? Regards, Russell

Michelle there are couple of mentions of Patrick Tunney on the Free Settler or Felon web site. And it's not so impossible to dream of a diary. There is quite a story of my posting a name on the Claim a Convict site and finding a descendant back in England, that had old letters written from my convict's daughter here. What a thrill that was. Jan D -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Nichols Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 2:38 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel Hi all, As I am a closet time travel reader, I have often thought about this topic. First convict ancestor I would like to visit would be Patrick Tunney. He was from Roscommon from Ireland arrived on the "Pilot" in 1816 and had two children with Sarah Pendergast. He died in 1824 and I would dearly love to know if Laurence Tunney who he was tried with and came out on the same boat was related, uncle, father, brother? I also would like to know, where he hid his diary. I am sure he had one (ha ha) I used to fantasize that one day I would find Patrick's very detailed diary that he began when he was 5 years old....(never mind that he probably couldn't write) didn't all our ancestors have diaries, letters and family bibles hidden somewhere, we just need to know where!! I would also find it very rewarding to spend some time with John Pendergast (Sarah's dad) who came out in 1800 on the "Minerva". I would like to know where he came from in Ireland (only know he was tried in Dublin) his parents and confirm whether he really was involved in the 1798 uprising. I would take my digital camera and photograph him with all the family I could round up on the day, weher he lived and would also take my MP3 player and conduct an oral history interview, one of those ones that you ask 1001 questions, like what date is your birthday, what school did you attend, what is your favourite color, what were your parents names etc etc. If I could take my laptop with me I sit with everyone and and fill in the data as I went. Good topic Lesley, but I think better stop there... Michelle Nichols ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nor the last Lesley!! John Caling -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:42 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - Japhet White Hi Jill, Not the first Attorney to be tried for forgery :) Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jill Jackson Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:28 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel Thankyou Lesley, Japhet White! I would like to know all about the fake Dies that made the English so upset. Regards, Jill J regards ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message