Hi Grahame I do hope that they ask for permission before they archive anything they find on the internet. Rootsweb do not allow their lists to be archived by anyone other than Rootsweb Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Grahame & Rosslyn Thom Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:00 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - recording Hi Lesley and list Major Australian public libraries are now undertaking selective archiving of Australian content web sites. I seem to recall that this year the National Library of Australia is looking at genealogy/ family history web sites. As you can imagine its a very difficult exercise in setting criteria as to who to select and to how often to take a copy. You can see information about this collecting exercise at the web site below. Also you can access on this site a list of sites that have been archived by NLA at some time. I note the list does include historical societies and also the Society of Australian Genealogists. Maybe this site should be archived by the State Library of NSW from time to time. I did not check SLNSW's involvement. Maybe the US library archive system archives rootsweb. cheers Grahame

Good evening Lesley and Listers I would love to know more about William Marjoram, from Suffolk,b. 1816, who arrived on the "Mangles" ca 1837, with a 14 year sentence. He was known as William Marjoram until 1853, and after the death of his wife Catherine (nee Kennedy) that year, he changed his name, apparently went on to have another family, but no-one with connections to the first family seems to know what he changed his name to. It is known he had descendants as one of them contacted the family on the day of a funeral to tell them they would never find him!!! If anyone has an ancestor who gives his parents' names as Robert and Frances ( she was Frances Crow) both born and married Bredfield area Suffolk but died here, but no other info., maybe this is who I am looking for. Liz Walker Lake Macquarie

Dear List I would choose to travel to Parramatta on Sunday 4th March 1804 - the night the Irish convicts commenced their rebellion at Castle Hill Government Farm. Why - to see my convict ancestor Andrew Snowden in his role for the Parramatta Loyalist Association during that night and the next morning in Parramatta. To see this part of Australian history unfolding would be fascinating. Regards Garry Sanders Kariong, NSW

Brent, Did your George have a son called Charles Sylvester around 1830 in Sydney?? Cheers. Annie. from a now very wet but cycloneless Cairns, Aus. > Brent Richards <brent.richards77@gmail.com> wrote: > > G'day > > I would visit George Smith (Minstrel, 1825). Dusty, as we call him, > stands > out for me because he is the only one among all of my convict ancestors > from > which an oral family history has survived to the present day. This is > something my family treasures dearly. Thanks go to my loquacious > maternal > line. > > If Dusty is half the irreverent larrikin and loving man that descendants > have come to understand then it would be an enjoyable and moving > encounter. > I should like to sit down and have a beer with him on his verandah and > read > him the news (he couldn't R/W but he liked his newspapers, and they > liked > him). But before we become too groggy there would be many tantalising > mysteries I would like him to clarify. > > Luckily we have the next best thing to time travel; bringing the past to > the > present: the PJ list. > > Cheers > Brent > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

Hi Lesley and list Major Australian public libraries are now undertaking selective archiving of Australian content web sites. I seem to recall that this year the National Library of Australia is looking at genealogy/ family history web sites. As you can imagine its a very difficult exercise in setting criteria as to who to select and to how often to take a copy. You can see information about this collecting exercise at the web site below. Also you can access on this site a list of sites that have been archived by NLA at some time. I note the list does include historical societies and also the Society of Australian Genealogists. Maybe this site should be archived by the State Library of NSW from time to time. I did not check SLNSW's involvement. Maybe the US library archive system archives rootsweb. cheers Grahame http://pandora.nla.gov.au/ > > Computers are commonplace these days, but we don't know what will > be available > in say, 200 years. Some people upload their family history onto > various web > sites but we just don't know if these will still exist in 200 plus > years. > > Lots of copies of the written word - I hope will survive and be > retained by at > least a few who are interested. > > Regards > Lesley Uebel >

I would like to ask Timothy Farrell (Cambridge 1827) who his parents were. Where in Roscommon did he come from. And to thank him for picking pockets & getting caught other wise I wouldn't be here. Why when he died in the Liverpool Asylum in 1870 was there no mention of his wife Susannah. Was she already dead. Also I would ask Susannah Whitley (Mary 111/5)who her parents were did she really come from Whitehaven. Did she really have such a bad temper that she had to fight with everyone she was assigned to & then after marrying Timothy why did she abscond from him leaving behind a daughter Mary Anne (born 1840 Female Factory) only 20 months old. Where the initials NW & CW tattooed on her arms her parents. Did she enjoy? her 7 trips to gaol. I would love to have a heart to heart with these two. Carol in Tenambit.

G'day I would visit George Smith (Minstrel, 1825). Dusty, as we call him, stands out for me because he is the only one among all of my convict ancestors from which an oral family history has survived to the present day. This is something my family treasures dearly. Thanks go to my loquacious maternal line. If Dusty is half the irreverent larrikin and loving man that descendants have come to understand then it would be an enjoyable and moving encounter. I should like to sit down and have a beer with him on his verandah and read him the news (he couldn't R/W but he liked his newspapers, and they liked him). But before we become too groggy there would be many tantalising mysteries I would like him to clarify. Luckily we have the next best thing to time travel; bringing the past to the present: the PJ list. Cheers Brent

Hi Lesley and List The first convict I would like to go back in time to meet is William Dick . I'd like to know where and when he died. Barb -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of janice morrissey Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 5:59 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] PATRICK MARKEY I would ask my ggggrandfather Patrick Markey (Pilot 1817 ) where did you go after Sophia (ggggrandmother) died 1851( and left 4 children) never to be heard of again. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: [PJ] Time travel > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.278 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 03/06/09 19:17:00

I'd like to ask my g g grandfather John Cartledge (not a PJ convict but he is the convict ancestor I'd most like to have a chat with) what went so terribly wrong with his parents' marriage that his mother was forced to declare him a bastard when it wasn't true.... and why, after his father remarried, his mother stuck to her married name right up until the day she died. I'd also like to ask him exactly how many children he and his wife Sarah Cook had, why they never managed to register the vast majority of them , and where and when their elusive daughter Caroline was buried. Oooh and also, who do the initials C.B., tatooted on his right hand stand for? My questions for this gentleman would fill a book. LOL! :) Lyn in NSW

Yes, same sentiments here David. Though there wouldn't be much to share around the thousands of Richard's descendants! Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gaul" <david@gaul.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [PJ] Time Capsule > Hi List, > I'd ask Richard Cheers my GGGG Grandfather why he sold his hge holding > at Manly to Darcy Wentworth and why he didn't hand it down! Very > inconsiderate. > Cheers, > David. > (Pun intended). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I would ask Edward Fuller and family why they sold the site of Kellyville now to the Kelly's and why they didn't hand it down. Instead they went to Gundagai after gold and everyone has heard of the Gundagai gold stike. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gaul" <david@gaul.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [PJ] Time Capsule > Hi List, > I'd ask Richard Cheers my GGGG Grandfather why he sold his hge holding > at Manly to Darcy Wentworth and why he didn't hand it down! Very > inconsiderate. > Cheers, > David. > (Pun intended). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley, You are absolutely correct as usual. From what I know of Henry and Sarah Copas they were "as poor as church mice" and I don't think that religion would have played a part in their lives, let alone own a bible. I have a photograph taken in the 1880's of Sarah and the lace on her dress is full of holes. She looks a very sad person. Regarding tossing family possessions, when my Grandmother's estate was broken up I told my mother that I would like any photographs that anyone else did not want. She very proudly presented me with about 20 studio photos and 40-50 family snaps, then told me that there were 3 suitcases of photos that she did not think I would want so they were thrown out to the local tip. I was not a very happy person but what could one do? There is a family bible from my mother's paternal line that is jealously guarded by a second cousin. She kindly let me photograph all the pages with entries. I also have a photo album that was brought out from England by this family in 1845 but unfortunately there are no names in it. I now swap digital images of photos with other interested family members and have collected quite a remarkable collection. Unfortunately some of the people cannot be named but they are all treasures. Cheers, John Caling Currimundi, Qld. -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:23 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - recording But John.... :) Your gggg etc grandparents may have used a method to record the family history way back in the 1820's i.e.. a family Bible. One may have been passed down one line only to be tossed by someone who was not interested and certainly didn't want a record of a convict on the family. How many times as that happened! How many times do we see family Bibles up for sale? How many times do we find old photographs that have been tossed out by someone for sale at the local markets? Computers are commonplace these days, but we don't know what will be available in say, 200 years. Some people upload their family history onto various web sites but we just don't know if these will still exist in 200 plus years. Lots of copies of the written word - I hope will survive and be retained by at least a few who are interested. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

Hi List, I'd ask Richard Cheers my GGGG Grandfather why he sold his hge holding at Manly to Darcy Wentworth and why he didn't hand it down! Very inconsiderate. Cheers, David. (Pun intended).

I would ask my ggggrandfather Patrick Markey (Pilot 1817 ) where did you go after Sophia (ggggrandmother) died 1851( and left 4 children) never to be heard of again. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: [PJ] Time travel > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes Annie, she was christened as an adult, so no parents names given. Lyn anne caroline pittard wrote: > Lyn, Henrietta was christened 1820 St Mary's Catholic Church, nsw....V182012 128. Cheers. Annie > > >> Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> wrote: >> >> Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g >> grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after >> being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married >> >> at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was >> born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And >> I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she >> died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in >> Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in >> Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, >> Michael Kenny. >> >> Lyn >> >> Lesley Uebel wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >>> >>> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >>> >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Lesley Uebel >>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: >>> >> 03/06/09 07:20:00 >> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > >

Lyn, Henrietta was christened 1820 St Mary's Catholic Church, nsw....V182012 128. Cheers. Annie > Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> wrote: > > Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g > grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after > being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married > > at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was > born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And > I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she > died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in > Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in > Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, > Michael Kenny. > > Lyn > > Lesley Uebel wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Lesley Uebel > > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > CLAIM A CONVICT > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: > 03/06/09 07:20:00 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

If he was there at Culloden & survived he wouldn'twant to remember that time in his life. Cold, wet & starved days before the battle began even. Cheers. Annie > fletch <waugpath@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > What a wonderful concept, Time Travel ! > > If I could be transported back in time the first ' gentleman ' I would > like to chat to would be my 3rd great grandfather Donald Kennedy ( Royal > Admiral 1792 ) and his wife Ann Grant who came free on board the same > vessel. > > I would ask about life in Urquhart Inverness in those so far away times, > why he committed the crime that he did, and just how tough was farming > life in the Colony in those early days. > > I would then like to ask Ann Grant about her memories of her grandfather > William Grant and if he related any tales about his participation in the > Battle of Culloden, his transportation to the West Indies for six years > and just how did he manage to get back to Scotland ? > > All the unanswered questions would then be asked of all the other six > direct line convicts but that would take an age to complete and I'm sure > that even the Tardis doesn't have that amount of time for one traveller. > > Arnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

Was it like where he came from??? Cheers. Annie. from Cairns, Aus. > John Caling <jcaling@bigpond.com> wrote: > > All written down for them Lesley. Why on earth would anyone wonder why a > person would move from Canberra to the Sunshine Coast? I thought the > answer > would be rather obvious. > > Getting back to Henry Copas, he and his 2 brothers were all bricklayers. > John Copas alias Coops (per Marquis of Huntley). John Copas was a > bricklayer > in Wollongong until 1849 when he became a cab proprietor. I am guessing > that > Henry went to Wollongong to work with/for his brother John but I have no > idea why he went to New England to work as a shepherd for Richard > Hargrave > on Hillgrove and Hernani Stations. > > The other brother, George Copas ( also per Marquis of Huntley) was a cab > proprietor in Sydney and ended up owning a hotel in Riley St., > Woolloomooloo. George also owned property in Oxford St. Paddington when > he > died and left a substantial legacy to his family, friends and charities. > I > am guessing that Henry had a falling out with his brothers and moved > onto > "greener pastures" but why on earth Hernani. Even today it is very cold > in > winter being high in the New England Ranges and has quite steep and > hostile > terrain but in those days must have also been very isolated. Even > Armidale > was just a very small town in the late 1840's. > > Cheers, > > John Caling > Currimundi, Qld. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Lesley > Uebel > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:19 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > So John, > > Do you think your gggg grandchild will ask "I wonder why John Caling > moved > to Queensland in 2007" ?? > > or do you have it all written down for them? > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > <SNIP> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus.

I'd love to ask Robert Aiken who arrived on the Martha in 1819 who were his parents? Why he resigned his position as a Constable at Windsor nine months after being appointed on the 4th June 1823 and is he buried on the property of Charles Forbes in the Patrick's Plains area where he died in 1836 before receiving his freedom? Happy 8th Birthday PJ Convict Listers and thank you Lesley for all you do. Cheers Valerie Williams of Mollymook

Hi all, As I am a closet time travel reader, I have often thought about this topic. First convict ancestor I would like to visit would be Patrick Tunney. He was from Roscommon from Ireland arrived on the "Pilot" in 1816 and had two children with Sarah Pendergast. He died in 1824 and I would dearly love to know if Laurence Tunney who he was tried with and came out on the same boat was related, uncle, father, brother? I also would like to know, where he hid his diary. I am sure he had one (ha ha) I used to fantasize that one day I would find Patrick's very detailed diary that he began when he was 5 years old....(never mind that he probably couldn't write) didn't all our ancestors have diaries, letters and family bibles hidden somewhere, we just need to know where!! I would also find it very rewarding to spend some time with John Pendergast (Sarah's dad) who came out in 1800 on the "Minerva". I would like to know where he came from in Ireland (only know he was tried in Dublin) his parents and confirm whether he really was involved in the 1798 uprising. I would take my digital camera and photograph him with all the family I could round up on the day, weher he lived and would also take my MP3 player and conduct an oral history interview, one of those ones that you ask 1001 questions, like what date is your birthday, what school did you attend, what is your favourite color, what were your parents names etc etc. If I could take my laptop with me I sit with everyone and and fill in the data as I went. Good topic Lesley, but I think better stop there... Michelle Nichols