What is the name of the book by Kieran Sheedy and I'll check if anything is possible from Ireland Gerry in Dublin (spring but rain and hail today!) -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kath Connors Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:59 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Capsule Daniel CANVIN Elizabeth, have you ever read Father Therry history? on horse back etc in all kinds of weather it is a wonder any of his records survived. I worked voluntary at St Mary's 1968 & 1969 and we battled in those days for voluntary workers., the government rules do not allow you access these days. Our convict ancestors Thomas Collison & Margaret Hughes were also given permission in to marry in Sydney 1832 and no marriage records exist. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: "Convict Trail" <convicttrail@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Cc: <jennygirl@unwired.com.au> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Capsule Daniel CANVIN > Hi Jenny, > Re Daniel Calvin, this is not the first wedding preformed by Father > Therry, > that has not been found. My ancestor Elizabeth(Betsy)Sinnott was married > to > Richard Dwyer by Father Therry but again no evidence exists. I know this > marriage happened as it was certified as having happened on a application > to > remove Elizabeth's daughter from the Orphan Asylum. The application for > permission to marry together with two other exists but not the evidence of > the marriage. > > It would be interesting to how many of his marriages are missing from the > records that were supplied later to the Register General. Was a book lost > or > were just a few not recorded or was a page or so lost from the book or did > the book get wet in the saddle bag and some pages become illegible? > > > I would like to ask my 3x great grandfather Daniel CANVIN to please put > > down > his anvil and come and sit down quietly under a tree on the Badgery's > property at Majors Creek and tell me why: > > Although I have his permission to marry document dated 5 Aug 1826, I can't > find a marriage. I would tell him that I have been through all the records > BMD, LDS, Mutch Index, Fr Therry's Papers, I have tried to scale the wall > and get into the inner sanctum at St Mary's Cathedral however Pauline > tells > me that I can't have access to their files. I would say that I have found > reference to his marriage in a book by Kieran Sheedy and I have written to > Kieran Sheedy in Ireland asking for the source however I didn't get a > reply. > The book goes on to tell me that the marriage was performed by Fr Therry > and > that Mary Dwyer acted as one of the witnesses. Now that has had to come > from > somewhere. > > I would also like to know, if you did marry Elizabeth MASINER c 1826, why > your first child Eliza was not born until 1831. I believe that it is good > to > wait however five years is a little out of kilter for those days. Did you > perhaps loose some babies or were you employed miles away. > > I would tell him and that I am enjoying my research and after one big hug > I > would slip away clutching the horse shoe that he gave me. > > Jenny > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So Lesley, after all these years of genie work and experience you've built up, I don't suppose you would have a brick wall left in your own tree? Jan D -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2009 3:02 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel - invisible me Hi all As I said the other day, my trip - well my first trip anyway, I would prefer to be invisible. That way I could just observe them. I could listen to their everyday conversation, how they treated each other and their children, watch meal preparation and how they shopped, what they ate, watch them at work and how they interacted with others around them, -- guess I could poke around their house (or shack) a bit :)). A second trip I would talk to them.... but I wonder if I could understand them with their Irish brogue. I would then have to find a dressmaker to make some suitable clothing to wear as I don't think jeans would be appropriate. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would appreciate that those who subscribe to this list using the Digest mode remember not to send back the complete digest when replying to a message. Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au

Hi Lyn I was wondering if you had seen my reply to your message no 7 you posted on the 26 february. Message: 11 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:17 +1300 From: "Lynne Kokshoorn" <kokohome@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B04B50E86D104EC29BD214AF772F7D59@userPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original re your Robert WOODBRIDGE Adamant 1821 I have read your list of names and I am wondering if we have a connection. I have a WOODBRIDGE in my family tree. I have two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth(my grandmother) WOODBRIDGE they married brothers Patrick Louis CALLAGHAN and Michael Abraham CALLAGHAN the two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth's parents were Edward Daved WOODBRIDGE and Rose Ann (Throughgood) WOODBRIDGE. (I have no information on this couple) I think the woodbridge family may have come from Fullerton Cove NSW. Michael and Patrick's parents were John CALLAGHAN and Maria MILLS. John CALLAGHAN a descendant of Andrew CALLAGHAN (The three bees 1812) and Maria MILLS a descendant of Abraham MILLS (MOFFAT 1836). cheers Lynne K nz. ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 92 > > > The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Time travel (Sandra Sangster) > 2. Re: Time travel - recording (Lesley Uebel) > 3. Re: Time travel (Lyn) > 4. Re: Sarah Norris (Jan) > 5. Re: Time Travel (Michelle Nichols) > 6. Re: Robert Aiken ship Martha. (valerie.williams) > 7. Re: Time travel (anne caroline pittard) > 8. Re: Time Travel (anne caroline pittard) > 9. Re: Time travel (anne caroline pittard) > 10. Re: Time Travel (Jan) > 11. Re: Time travel (Lyn) > 12. Re: Robert Cooper (wdiggins@aol.com) > 13. Re: Time travel William Brittain, Guildford and Ruby 1812 (I Baig) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:21:55 +1100 > From: Sandra Sangster <sandsang@hotmail.com> > Subject: [PJ] Time travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY139-W1914E59B9F61FD2D838C44CCA20@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > Well, I would visit JOHN GREEN (Earl St Vincent 1820) and ask him when he > was going to die and where he was buried!!!! > > > > Sandra S > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:22:54 +1100 > From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - recording > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJCEBDABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > But John.... :) > > Your gggg etc grandparents may have used a method to record the family > history > way back in the 1820's i.e.. a family Bible. One may have been passed > down one > line only to be tossed by someone who was not interested and certainly > didn't > want a record of a convict on the family. How many times as that happened! > How > many times do we see family Bibles up for sale? How many times do we find > old > photographs that have been tossed out by someone for sale at the local > markets? > > Computers are commonplace these days, but we don't know what will be > available > in say, 200 years. Some people upload their family history onto various > web > sites but we just don't know if these will still exist in 200 plus years. > > Lots of copies of the written word - I hope will survive and be retained > by at > least a few who are interested. > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John > Caling > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:53 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > > > All written down for them Lesley. Why on earth would anyone wonder why a > person would move from Canberra to the Sunshine Coast? I thought the > answer > would be rather obvious. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:23:29 +1100 > From: Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <49B204D1.8020806@skymesh.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g > grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after > being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married > at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was > born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And > I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she > died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in > Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in > Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, > Michael Kenny. > > Lyn > > Lesley Uebel wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >> >> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >> >> >> regards >> >> >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 >> 07:20:00 >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:28:56 +0900 > From: "Jan" <boris52@iprimus.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Sarah Norris > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <02bc01c99ee5$9d2aff70$d780fe50$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Russell, > > No, never been able to find a maiden name for Sarah Norris. > Her Old Bailey transcript describes her as married with a daughter. Then > goes on to mention all sorts of family members, even addresses, which I > though would lead to finding it but I haven't managed it. > > There is no mention of the daughter's name, which would have been handy > too. > Sarah was transported on the Earl of Liverpool, which had a lot of > children > too. So perhaps the child came to Aus with her. > > Thanks for your input, > Jan D > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Russell > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 2:17 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Sarah Norris > > Hi Jan, > > I just read a note I'd made that Francis Johnson of the 'Lord Melville' > was one of the witnesses to Sarah and Haycock's marriage in 1832, and > that Sarah was described as a widow. > Do you know her maiden name? > > Regards, > Russell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:38:26 +1100 > From: Michelle Nichols <michelle_nichols@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL104-W26DD32411BB78F6B6945A4E3A20@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi all, > As I am a closet time travel reader, I have often thought about this > topic. First convict ancestor I would like to visit would be Patrick > Tunney. He was from Roscommon from Ireland arrived on the "Pilot" in 1816 > and had two children with Sarah Pendergast. He died in 1824 and I would > dearly love to know if Laurence Tunney who he was tried with and came out > on the same boat was related, uncle, father, brother? I also would like to > know, where he hid his diary. I am sure he had one (ha ha) I used to > fantasize that one day I would find Patrick's very detailed diary that he > began when he was 5 years old....(never mind that he probably couldn't > write) didn't all our ancestors have diaries, letters and family bibles > hidden somewhere, we just need to know where!! > > I would also find it very rewarding to spend some time with John > Pendergast (Sarah's dad) who came out in 1800 on the "Minerva". I would > like to know where he came from in Ireland (only know he was tried in > Dublin) his parents and confirm whether he really was involved in the 1798 > uprising. > > I would take my digital camera and photograph him with all the family I > could round up on the day, weher he lived and would also take my MP3 > player and conduct an oral history interview, one of those ones that you > ask 1001 questions, like what date is your birthday, what school did you > attend, what is your favourite color, what were your parents names etc > etc. If I could take my laptop with me I sit with everyone and and fill > in the data as I went. > > Good topic Lesley, but I think better stop there... > Michelle Nichols > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:45:20 +1100 > From: "valerie.williams" <valerie.williams@internode.on.net> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Robert Aiken ship Martha. > To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <920265DB0C054CD283BF08D9A2109A44@SN2605477050> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'd love to ask Robert Aiken who arrived on the Martha in 1819 who were > his parents? Why he resigned his position as a Constable at Windsor nine > months after being appointed on the 4th June 1823 and is he buried on the > property of Charles Forbes in the Patrick's Plains area where he died in > 1836 before receiving his freedom? > > Happy 8th Birthday PJ Convict Listers and thank you Lesley for all you do. > > Cheers > Valerie Williams of Mollymook > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:49:21 +1100 > From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200903070549.n275nLqQ012693@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > Was it like where he came from??? Cheers. Annie. from > Cairns, Aus. > > >> John Caling <jcaling@bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> All written down for them Lesley. Why on earth would anyone wonder why a >> person would move from Canberra to the Sunshine Coast? I thought the >> answer >> would be rather obvious. >> >> Getting back to Henry Copas, he and his 2 brothers were all bricklayers. >> John Copas alias Coops (per Marquis of Huntley). John Copas was a >> bricklayer >> in Wollongong until 1849 when he became a cab proprietor. I am guessing >> that >> Henry went to Wollongong to work with/for his brother John but I have no >> idea why he went to New England to work as a shepherd for Richard >> Hargrave >> on Hillgrove and Hernani Stations. >> >> The other brother, George Copas ( also per Marquis of Huntley) was a cab >> proprietor in Sydney and ended up owning a hotel in Riley St., >> Woolloomooloo. George also owned property in Oxford St. Paddington when >> he >> died and left a substantial legacy to his family, friends and charities. >> I >> am guessing that Henry had a falling out with his brothers and moved >> onto >> "greener pastures" but why on earth Hernani. Even today it is very cold >> in >> winter being high in the New England Ranges and has quite steep and >> hostile >> terrain but in those days must have also been very isolated. Even >> Armidale >> was just a very small town in the late 1840's. >> >> Cheers, >> >> John Caling >> Currimundi, Qld. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Lesley >> Uebel >> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:19 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> >> >> So John, >> >> Do you think your gggg grandchild will ask "I wonder why John Caling >> moved >> to Queensland in 2007" ?? >> >> or do you have it all written down for them? >> >> regards >> >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> <SNIP> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:53:46 +1100 > From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200903070553.n275rkht010628@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > If he was there at Culloden & survived he wouldn'twant to remember that > time in his life. Cold, wet & starved days before the battle began > even. Cheers. Annie > >> fletch <waugpath@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> >> What a wonderful concept, Time Travel ! >> >> If I could be transported back in time the first ' gentleman ' I would >> like to chat to would be my 3rd great grandfather Donald Kennedy ( Royal >> Admiral 1792 ) and his wife Ann Grant who came free on board the same >> vessel. >> >> I would ask about life in Urquhart Inverness in those so far away times, >> why he committed the crime that he did, and just how tough was farming >> life in the Colony in those early days. >> >> I would then like to ask Ann Grant about her memories of her grandfather >> William Grant and if he related any tales about his participation in the >> Battle of Culloden, his transportation to the West Indies for six years >> and just how did he manage to get back to Scotland ? >> >> All the unanswered questions would then be asked of all the other six >> direct line convicts but that would take an age to complete and I'm sure >> that even the Tardis doesn't have that amount of time for one traveller. >> >> Arnie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:02:12 +1100 > From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200903070602.n2762COn028597@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > Lyn, Henrietta was christened 1820 St Mary's Catholic Church, > nsw....V182012 128. Cheers. Annie > >> Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> wrote: >> >> Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g >> grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after >> being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married >> >> at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was >> born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And >> I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she >> died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in >> Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in >> Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, >> Michael Kenny. >> >> Lyn >> >> Lesley Uebel wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >> > >> > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >> > >> > >> > regards >> > >> > >> > >> > Lesley Uebel >> > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> > CLAIM A CONVICT >> > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: >> 03/06/09 07:20:00 >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:11:16 +0900 > From: "Jan" <boris52@iprimus.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <02d801c99eeb$872b39f0$9581add0$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Michelle there are couple of mentions of Patrick Tunney on the Free > Settler > or Felon web site. > And it's not so impossible to dream of a diary. There is quite a story of > my > posting a name on the Claim a Convict site and finding a descendant back > in > England, that had old letters written from my convict's daughter here. > What a thrill that was. > > Jan D > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Michelle > Nichols > Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 2:38 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel > > > Hi all, > As I am a closet time travel reader, I have often thought about this > topic. > First convict ancestor I would like to visit would be Patrick Tunney. He > was > from Roscommon from Ireland arrived on the "Pilot" in 1816 and had two > children with Sarah Pendergast. He died in 1824 and I would dearly love to > know if Laurence Tunney who he was tried with and came out on the same > boat > was related, uncle, father, brother? I also would like to know, where he > hid > his diary. I am sure he had one (ha ha) I used to fantasize that one day I > would find Patrick's very detailed diary that he began when he was 5 years > old....(never mind that he probably couldn't write) didn't all our > ancestors > have diaries, letters and family bibles hidden somewhere, we just need to > know where!! > > I would also find it very rewarding to spend some time with John > Pendergast > (Sarah's dad) who came out in 1800 on the "Minerva". I would like to know > where he came from in Ireland (only know he was tried in Dublin) his > parents > and confirm whether he really was involved in the 1798 uprising. > > I would take my digital camera and photograph him with all the family I > could round up on the day, weher he lived and would also take my MP3 > player > and conduct an oral history interview, one of those ones that you ask 1001 > questions, like what date is your birthday, what school did you attend, > what > is your favourite color, what were your parents names etc etc. If I could > take my laptop with me I sit with everyone and and fill in the data as I > went. > > Good topic Lesley, but I think better stop there... > Michelle Nichols > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:11:12 +1100 > From: Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel > To: acpittard@optusnet.com.au, aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <49B21000.5070002@skymesh.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Yes Annie, she was christened as an adult, so no parents names given. > Lyn > > anne caroline pittard wrote: >> Lyn, Henrietta was christened 1820 St Mary's Catholic Church, >> nsw....V182012 128. Cheers. Annie >> >> >>> Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g >>> grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after >>> being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married >>> >>> at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was >>> born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And >>> I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she >>> died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in >>> Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in >>> Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, >>> Michael Kenny. >>> >>> Lyn >>> >>> Lesley Uebel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >>>> >>>> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >>>> >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lesley Uebel >>>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: >>>> >>> 03/06/09 07:20:00 >>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 >> 07:20:00 >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:21:06 -0500 > From: wdiggins@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Robert Cooper > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CB6D0408B9D200-10C8-72@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi Listers, > I am hoping I may be able to make contact with anyone > connected to Robert Cooper of the Earl Spencer 1814. He doesn't appear > to have been claimed on Lesley's Claim a Convict site. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:31:47 +1000 > From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel William Brittain, Guildford and Ruby > 1812 > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A70F4EE3D0034035BA42B8DA0864E93D@IbbiePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Great idea Lesley, > > I would want to find William Brittain/en/on and ask him was he really the > father of Ann Leader's child in 1817 and, if so, how did he get back to > Port > Jackson in time for this to happen after stealing the ship Unity from the > Derwent in 1813. And how come he wasn't hung. I would also ask if it was > really his co travellor Frederick Callaghan (Guildford and co pirate of > the > Unity) listed in the 1825 PJ muster. I would also ask if he enjoyed his > life in New Norfolk and was his son James the owner of the Rose that > sailed > regularly from Port Cygnet to Hobart. And then, given his record, I > probably wouldn't believe a word he said!! > > Regards, Natalie > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email > to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS mailing list, send an > email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 92 > ****************************************************** > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3917 (20090307) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

For those interested in Isaac Gorrick, pugilist, there was an article published in the Sunday Telegraph 5 September 1993. There was also an article on the life story of Isaac Gorrick published in the Newcastle Herald 3 February 1898, an obit for Isaac's wife published Maitland Weekly Mercury 22 January 1898. There were many stories concerning Isaac published in the Maitland Mercury over the years. Regards, Ann -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 10:43 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 88 The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List Today's Topics: 1. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (Lesley Uebel) 2. Re: PJ List (Maree@iseekin.com.au) 3. Re: PJ List (sandra fox) 4. Happy Birthday listers and thanks to Lesley for all her hard work (Perplexed) 5. PJ List - happy 8th Birthday (MarjeDawn@aol.com) 6. Re: William BLAKE (MarjeDawn@aol.com) 7. Re: William BLAKE (MarjeDawn@aol.com) 8. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (I Baig) 9. Re: PJ List (Sherrie Blackman) 10. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (South Coast Promotions) 11. Re: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 (Lynne Kokshoorn) 12. Re: ] PJ List (Norma McLean) 13. Re: Isaac/John Gorrick (I Baig) 14. Re: PJ List (Ann O'Grady) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:13:36 +1100 From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJOEAAABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Natalie Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) when he died in 1899 ? regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) or John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in 1842 - is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, including John and Isaac jr. It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected in some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone who knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a couple of boxing experts but without any luck so far. Regards, Natalie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:21:57 +1100 From: "Maree@iseekin.com.au" <maree@iseekin.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <EAA70280AE5146F0B0678FECD47AB264@marie0bc0b1030> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lesley, congratulations on a wonderful and informative list. It truly is terrific. I have found it Very educational as well... thank you :) regards Maree Larsen (ex Qlder) - Hobart Tasmania ----- Original Message ----- From: Lesley Uebel To: Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: [PJ] PJ List We are now 8 years old :) Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have contributed over the years. 44,335 messages over 8 years Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:42:18 +1100 From: "sandra fox" <sandra26sandra@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CE486C14BB584D799B07AD23E0F00695@HP26230307792> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Congratulations, wish I knew about you 8 years ago. Would have saved me a lot of misinformation. Thanks Lesley. ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:08:33 +1100 From: "Perplexed" <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [PJ] Happy Birthday listers and thanks to Lesley for all her hard work To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FA7F9810CE50463083A18B4FD5502735@AnnePC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thoroughly enjoy reading the messages and have found a good deal of useful information. Anne ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:56:31 EST From: MarjeDawn@aol.com Subject: [PJ] PJ List - happy 8th Birthday To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bf1.4b4aec3d.36e109df@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Congratulations to you Lesley, and to all who have contributed to the list over these 8 years. A wealth of knowledge has been shared and information gained by all. Best Wishes, Marje ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:18:49 EST From: MarjeDawn@aol.com Subject: Re: [PJ] William BLAKE To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d21.497f7e96.36e10f19@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you Lesley for your prompt reply regarding William Blake per Minerva. I have 2 references for William BLAKE taken from the film of the Indent of the Minerva, both gave different details of age, origin, trial date and sentence, so I thought they were for 2 separate convicts. Refs - 1. film 625 page 371 shows Wm Blake, Co.Tipperary, August 1798, 7 years 2. film 625 page 359 shows Wm Blake, 23, wool comber, Co.Tyrone August 1799, life, plus the comment - Discharged 14 th May1799. Would this comment refer to a Pardon? Do you know whether the second entry is in error and should refer to another transport perhaps? many thanks, Marje > Hi Marje, > > I can only find one William Blake who arrived on the Minerva in 1800. > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > Hello Lesley and Listers, > > I am researching convict William BLAKE and hope that someone will be able to > help me please. > > There are 3 convicts of that name who were early arrivals in the colony and > I > am having some difficulty in eliminating the ones who do not fit into the > family story. > The information I have found is from the Indents,Musters,Col. Sec. papers, > Irish Convicts to Australia -Peter Mayberry site and BMD. > They are - > > 1.William Blake, 29, County Wexford, Ireland, a rebel, had been sentenced to > death, commuted to Life as a transported convict, per "Sugar Cane"17th > September, 1792, became a self employed shoemaker and shopkeeper in Sydney, > granted > a CP . > I think this fellow acted as a juror on several inquests - Col Sec papers. > He may have had a relationship in 1801 with Eleanor Allicot > > 2. William Blake, 23, a wool comber of County Tyrone, Ireland was sentenced > to 7 years transportation in August 1799, arrived per "Minerva" 11th January > 1800, became free by servitude and was listed as a labourer for Thomas > Prosser > in the 1814 Muster. ( Comment on the indent- Discharged 14 May 1799) ? > 3. Wm Blake (2) per Minerva 1800, from Tipperary Ireland, tried Aug. 1798, 7 > > yrs > One of these men was granted land at Kissing Point. > The William Blake I am researching married in 1807 to Harriott Edwards, Snipped ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:26:11 EST From: MarjeDawn@aol.com Subject: Re: [PJ] William BLAKE To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c30.500239ea.36e110d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you Cathy for this helpful information. William Blake of Wexford, per Sugar Cane would be 46 and William of Tyrone, per Minerva would be 40 in 1817, so either one is still a possibility. There are some references to his wife Harriott in the Col Sec papers so that might help to eliminate one of them. Tis back to the library tomorrow ! many thanks Marje > William BLAKE, age 42, buried Old Sydney Burial Ground, 21 May 1817, Free > Died 20 May 1817, no ship is recorded in the St Phillips Church Early Church > records > > Cathy Dunn > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:29:55 +1000 From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E7636D9358144FDCA0DEA4FBB32F44A0@IbbiePC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Lesley, Thanks for the suggestion. There is an obituary for Isaac, which I haven't read yet, but will chase up at library or buy the CD - cannot find anything on the NLA site. I also can't find when and where John Lisson/Gorrick died. I think he ran hotels in Sydney in the 1830s and may have been a butcher in the 1850s. (Sydney Gazette entries) John married Sarah Yeomans and had 5 children. Louisa 1830; Napoleon William 1832; William Oliver George 1835; Charles Augustus 1838 and John Hector 1845. When the first two were born he used the name Lisson, then Gorrick for the last three. In both the newspaper reports and the childrens birth there is a gap between 1840 and 1845. Regards, Natalie ---- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > Hi Natalie > > > Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) when > he > died in 1899 ? > > > regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > > Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) > or > John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The > Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in > 1842 - > is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson > (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). > > As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson > and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, > including John and Isaac jr. > > It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected > in > some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone who > knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed > from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders > and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. > > I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a > couple > of boxing experts but without any luck so far. > > Regards, Natalie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:51:54 +1100 From: "Sherrie Blackman" <silkweb@tpg.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.uqb34sct5xjpm9@sherrie-01> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Hi Lesley, Happy 8th Birthday & Congratulations :) Kind regards, Sherrie. On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:56:23 +1100, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > We are now 8 years old :) > > Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have > contributed over the years. > > 44,335 messages over 8 years > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:08:16 +1100 From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002501c99dd6$8122bf30$0400000a@OFFICEPC1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John was the son of Thomas and Ann, b 1808 Hawkesbury John Hector Lisson GORRICK married Jane Underwood 1866 William George Oliver Leeson GORRICK married Sarah May Cooper 23 Mar 1860 Ulladulla, she a grandchild of Robert Cooper of Juniper Hall William's daughter Emma Marguerite GORRICK married Napolean Jean LISSON her cousin, son of John Hector Lisson GORRICK I don't have a death of John Lisson/Gorrick Cathy Dunn -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of I Baig Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 10:30 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick Hi Lesley, Thanks for the suggestion. There is an obituary for Isaac, which I haven't read yet, but will chase up at library or buy the CD - cannot find anything on the NLA site. I also can't find when and where John Lisson/Gorrick died. I think he ran hotels in Sydney in the 1830s and may have been a butcher in the 1850s. (Sydney Gazette entries) John married Sarah Yeomans and had 5 children. Louisa 1830; Napoleon William 1832; William Oliver George 1835; Charles Augustus 1838 and John Hector 1845. When the first two were born he used the name Lisson, then Gorrick for the last three. In both the newspaper reports and the childrens birth there is a gap between 1840 and 1845. Regards, Natalie ---- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > Hi Natalie > > > Was there no Obituary in any of the newspapers (eg Maitland Mercury) when > he > died in 1899 ? > > > regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of I Baig > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:37 PM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > > Hello everyone, does anyone know if Isaac (used in Australian references) > or > John (used in English references) Gorrick, the heavy weight boxer aka The > Bungaree - who was the first Australian boxer to fight in England in > 1842 - > is in any way connected to Isaac Gorrick (1791 Atlantic), Thomas Lisson > (1792 Royal Admiral) and Ann Bradwell (Experiment 1804). > > As some of you may know Ann Bradwell had children with both Thomas Lisson > and Isaac Gorrick, and the Lisson children often took the name Gorrick, > including John and Isaac jr. > > It seems to me too much of a coincidence that the boxer is not connected > in > some way (- but I may be totally wrong about this.) He may be someone who > knew the family and took the name - Bungaree may also have been borrowed > from the name of the aboriginal Bungaree who accompanied Matthew Flinders > and Philip King on their explorations or from the town of that name. > > I would appreciate any information or suggestions. I have contacted a > couple > of boxing experts but without any luck so far. > > Regards, Natalie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:17 +1300 From: "Lynne Kokshoorn" <kokohome@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B04B50E86D104EC29BD214AF772F7D59@userPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I am replying to message no 7 26 FebruaryLyn I have read your list of names and I am wondering if we have a connection. I have a WOODBRIDGE in my family tree. I have two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth(my grandmother) WOODBRIDGE they married brothers Patrick Louis CALLAGHAN and Michael Abraham CALLAGHAN the two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth's parents were Edward Daved WOODBRIDGE and Rose Ann (Throughgood) WOODBRIDGE. (I have no information on this couple) I think the woodbridge family may have come from Fullerton Cove NSW. Michael and Patrick's parents were John CALLAGHAN and Maria MILLS. John CALLAGHAN a descendant of Andrew CALLAGHAN (The three bees 1812) and Maria MILLS a descendant of Abraham MILLS (MOFFAT 1836). cheers Lynne K nz. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:32:01 +1100 From: "Norma McLean" <normabmc@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [PJ] ] PJ List To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <40657C0D59974D0AA9945390AFB42ECA@your1695c3d4b4> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Lesley and PJ Listers, May I add my congratulations on our 8th Birthday. May the PJ List continue to be the best Roots Web List for at least another 8 years. - I'm sure it will, Regards, Norma McLean normabmc@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- > > > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:56:23 +1100, Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: > >> We are now 8 years old :) >> >> Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have >> contributed over the years. >> >> 44,335 messages over 8 years >> >> >> Regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:35:12 +1000 From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A7441A15C25E4502A13C6A3EBD34DE51@IbbiePC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks very much Cathy. Maybe John was in another state or country when he died. Regards,Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "South Coast Promotions" <office@scpromotions.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] Isaac/John Gorrick > > John was the son of Thomas and Ann, b 1808 Hawkesbury > John Hector Lisson GORRICK married Jane Underwood 1866 > William George Oliver Leeson GORRICK married Sarah May Cooper 23 Mar 1860 > Ulladulla, she a grandchild of Robert Cooper of Juniper Hall > > William's daughter Emma Marguerite GORRICK married Napolean Jean LISSON > her > cousin, son of John Hector Lisson GORRICK > > I don't have a death of John Lisson/Gorrick > > > Cathy Dunn > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:42:17 +1100 From: "Ann O'Grady" <annogrady@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [PJ] PJ List To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <200903052342.n25NgHqA004405@mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Congratulations, Lesley Happy Birthday PJ List Ann (in Sydney) > Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > > We are now 8 years old :) > > Happy birthday PJ List I would also like to thank all those who have > contributed over the years. > > 44,335 messages over 8 years > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Ann O'Grady ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hi Everyone, What a great idea !! - if only ... Firstly I'd like to ask my 4th G-Grandmother how she and the other 49 female convicts aboard The Emu (1812) - bound for Hobart Town - survived for almost a year when they were captured by Pirates on the "Holkar" and marooned on St Vincent in the Cape Verde Islands for just on 12 months. They were eventually rescued from St Vincent, taken back to Portsmouth Harbour by the "Isabella" , but were not allowed to land because they had been sentenced to "transportation over the seas". Eventually they joined other convicts on board the "Broxbornebury" and sailed again for New South Wales on 22 February 1814, over a year after their original date of departure. This time bound for Sydney Town. Fortunately for me she managed to survive, arrive in Port Jackson instead of Hobart & marry a member of the crew & have 8 children. She's my favourite convict as she endured so much - just to get here . She was 18 at the time of her trial. As well, like Peter Stewart I would wish to ask Mary Groves (Prince of Wales 1788) - my 5th G-Grandmother, what happened to her after her daughter Elizabeth was Christened in 1796. Her husband William Douglas (Alexander 1788) who she married on 1st June 1788 managed to keep visible & has a headstone at St Albans Old River Cemetery. Poor Mary...who knows where she is. Regards, Norma McLean normabmc@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: [PJ] Time travel > Hi everyone, > > Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. > > Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? > > > regards > > > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi List I have a second fleet convict John Rowling aka Rawling, Rollings who has been associated with two ships. Most records I have collected say he came out on the Neptune [this is the ship I have recorded him as ,arriving on] some records mention the Surprize. The word 'transferred' has also been written eg He was initially on one, then transferred to the other. I believe the transfer was before sailing from England. I have a some questions regarding the 2nd fleet, why would someone be transferred between the ships before they left please? Were the convicts assigned to set ships based on the goal they came from,their sex, their crime, their sentence or was it just pot luck? Whats would be the best record[s] to consult to find out the truth if he was indeed placed on one ship, then transfer to the other or just on one ship the whole time? Would the reason why be recorded? Thank you Karen

Hi Warren, Yes, that's the Mary. I don't know any more about Jonathan Brooker than what's printed in "Mary Wade to Us": /Originally came from Kent, though crimes were committed in London. (often spelt Broker in original records) The name, Brooker, is listed as a peculiary local name in an area of Kent until the great social upheavals of the 18th century. The Process Book of the Surrey Quarter Sessions say that on 20/2/1788 he was accused of an assault on Isaac Solomon. He pleaded not guilty, and after trial was acquitted with no prosecution. At this stage he was living at St George, Southwark, and was called a labourer. On 5/10/1790 he was charged with the theft of 200 pounds of glue, valued at eight pounds. He was tried, found guilty of felony, transported for 7 years. At this time he was described as a chair maker of the Parish of St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey. Documentary evidence of his date of birth not found, but calculations made from the dates shown in official documents indicate he was over 30 when arrived in NSW. /Regards, Lyn / / wdiggins@aol.com wrote: > Hi Lyn, > > I gather you are referring to the Mary Wade who was the partner of > Jonathan Brooker. > > My Diggins family is connected to the Brooker's by marriage to Jonathan > Brooker's grandson Murdo. I am interested in finding out about the > origins of Jonathan, as I have another "possible" connection to a > Brooker family through my Diggins line. I have seen it posted on the > internet that Jonathan Brooker (Atlantic 1791) was born in Kent, > notwithstanding having been tried in Surrey. I have also found a photo > of his headstone which indicates he was 76 when he died. I was > wondering where the information came from that he was born in Kent, and > I would like to find some verification of his birth year. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > >

Yes I did Lynne. I sent you an email off line yesterday. Don't think there's a connection. Cheers, Lyn Lynne Kokshoorn wrote: > Hi Lyn > I was wondering if you had seen my reply to your message no 7 you posted on > the 26 february. > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:09:17 +1300 > From: "Lynne Kokshoorn" <kokohome@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 76 > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B04B50E86D104EC29BD214AF772F7D59@userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > re your Robert WOODBRIDGE Adamant 1821 > > > I have read your list of names and I am wondering if we have a connection. > I have a WOODBRIDGE in my family tree. > I have two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth(my grandmother) WOODBRIDGE they > married brothers Patrick Louis CALLAGHAN and Michael Abraham CALLAGHAN the > two sisters Hannah and Elizabeth's parents were Edward Daved WOODBRIDGE > and Rose Ann (Throughgood) WOODBRIDGE. (I have no information on this > couple) I think the woodbridge family may have come from Fullerton Cove NSW. > Michael and Patrick's parents were John CALLAGHAN and Maria MILLS. John > CALLAGHAN a descendant of Andrew CALLAGHAN (The three bees 1812) and Maria > MILLS a descendant of Abraham MILLS (MOFFAT 1836). > > cheers Lynne K nz. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:32 PM > Subject: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 92 > > > >> The Port Jackson Convicts Mailing List >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Time travel (Sandra Sangster) >> 2. Re: Time travel - recording (Lesley Uebel) >> 3. Re: Time travel (Lyn) >> 4. Re: Sarah Norris (Jan) >> 5. Re: Time Travel (Michelle Nichols) >> 6. Re: Robert Aiken ship Martha. (valerie.williams) >> 7. Re: Time travel (anne caroline pittard) >> 8. Re: Time Travel (anne caroline pittard) >> 9. Re: Time travel (anne caroline pittard) >> 10. Re: Time Travel (Jan) >> 11. Re: Time travel (Lyn) >> 12. Re: Robert Cooper (wdiggins@aol.com) >> 13. Re: Time travel William Brittain, Guildford and Ruby 1812 (I Baig) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:21:55 +1100 >> From: Sandra Sangster <sandsang@hotmail.com> >> Subject: [PJ] Time travel >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BAY139-W1914E59B9F61FD2D838C44CCA20@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> >> Well, I would visit JOHN GREEN (Earl St Vincent 1820) and ask him when he >> was going to die and where he was buried!!!! >> >> >> >> Sandra S >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more >> http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:22:54 +1100 >> From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - recording >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <OGEELKEHANIHLMOJNLCJCEBDABAB.ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> But John.... :) >> >> Your gggg etc grandparents may have used a method to record the family >> history >> way back in the 1820's i.e.. a family Bible. One may have been passed >> down one >> line only to be tossed by someone who was not interested and certainly >> didn't >> want a record of a convict on the family. How many times as that happened! >> How >> many times do we see family Bibles up for sale? How many times do we find >> old >> photographs that have been tossed out by someone for sale at the local >> markets? >> >> Computers are commonplace these days, but we don't know what will be >> available >> in say, 200 years. Some people upload their family history onto various >> web >> sites but we just don't know if these will still exist in 200 plus years. >> >> Lots of copies of the written word - I hope will survive and be retained >> by at >> least a few who are interested. >> >> Regards >> Lesley Uebel >> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >> CLAIM A CONVICT >> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John >> Caling >> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:53 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> >> >> All written down for them Lesley. Why on earth would anyone wonder why a >> person would move from Canberra to the Sunshine Coast? I thought the >> answer >> would be rather obvious. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:23:29 +1100 >> From: Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <49B204D1.8020806@skymesh.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g >> grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after >> being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married >> at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was >> born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And >> I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she >> died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in >> Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in >> Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, >> Michael Kenny. >> >> Lyn >> >> Lesley Uebel wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >>> >>> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >>> >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Lesley Uebel >>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 >>> 07:20:00 >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:28:56 +0900 >> From: "Jan" <boris52@iprimus.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Sarah Norris >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <02bc01c99ee5$9d2aff70$d780fe50$@com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Russell, >> >> No, never been able to find a maiden name for Sarah Norris. >> Her Old Bailey transcript describes her as married with a daughter. Then >> goes on to mention all sorts of family members, even addresses, which I >> though would lead to finding it but I haven't managed it. >> >> There is no mention of the daughter's name, which would have been handy >> too. >> Sarah was transported on the Earl of Liverpool, which had a lot of >> children >> too. So perhaps the child came to Aus with her. >> >> Thanks for your input, >> Jan D >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Russell >> Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 2:17 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PJ] Sarah Norris >> >> Hi Jan, >> >> I just read a note I'd made that Francis Johnson of the 'Lord Melville' >> was one of the witnesses to Sarah and Haycock's marriage in 1832, and >> that Sarah was described as a widow. >> Do you know her maiden name? >> >> Regards, >> Russell >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:38:26 +1100 >> From: Michelle Nichols <michelle_nichols@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <COL104-W26DD32411BB78F6B6945A4E3A20@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hi all, >> As I am a closet time travel reader, I have often thought about this >> topic. First convict ancestor I would like to visit would be Patrick >> Tunney. He was from Roscommon from Ireland arrived on the "Pilot" in 1816 >> and had two children with Sarah Pendergast. He died in 1824 and I would >> dearly love to know if Laurence Tunney who he was tried with and came out >> on the same boat was related, uncle, father, brother? I also would like to >> know, where he hid his diary. I am sure he had one (ha ha) I used to >> fantasize that one day I would find Patrick's very detailed diary that he >> began when he was 5 years old....(never mind that he probably couldn't >> write) didn't all our ancestors have diaries, letters and family bibles >> hidden somewhere, we just need to know where!! >> >> I would also find it very rewarding to spend some time with John >> Pendergast (Sarah's dad) who came out in 1800 on the "Minerva". I would >> like to know where he came from in Ireland (only know he was tried in >> Dublin) his parents and confirm whether he really was involved in the 1798 >> uprising. >> >> I would take my digital camera and photograph him with all the family I >> could round up on the day, weher he lived and would also take my MP3 >> player and conduct an oral history interview, one of those ones that you >> ask 1001 questions, like what date is your birthday, what school did you >> attend, what is your favourite color, what were your parents names etc >> etc. If I could take my laptop with me I sit with everyone and and fill >> in the data as I went. >> >> Good topic Lesley, but I think better stop there... >> Michelle Nichols >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:45:20 +1100 >> From: "valerie.williams" <valerie.williams@internode.on.net> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Robert Aiken ship Martha. >> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <920265DB0C054CD283BF08D9A2109A44@SN2605477050> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I'd love to ask Robert Aiken who arrived on the Martha in 1819 who were >> his parents? Why he resigned his position as a Constable at Windsor nine >> months after being appointed on the 4th June 1823 and is he buried on the >> property of Charles Forbes in the Patrick's Plains area where he died in >> 1836 before receiving his freedom? >> >> Happy 8th Birthday PJ Convict Listers and thank you Lesley for all you do. >> >> Cheers >> Valerie Williams of Mollymook >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:49:21 +1100 >> From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <200903070549.n275nLqQ012693@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> >> Was it like where he came from??? Cheers. Annie. from >> Cairns, Aus. >> >> >> >>> John Caling <jcaling@bigpond.com> wrote: >>> >>> All written down for them Lesley. Why on earth would anyone wonder why a >>> person would move from Canberra to the Sunshine Coast? I thought the >>> answer >>> would be rather obvious. >>> >>> Getting back to Henry Copas, he and his 2 brothers were all bricklayers. >>> John Copas alias Coops (per Marquis of Huntley). John Copas was a >>> bricklayer >>> in Wollongong until 1849 when he became a cab proprietor. I am guessing >>> that >>> Henry went to Wollongong to work with/for his brother John but I have no >>> idea why he went to New England to work as a shepherd for Richard >>> Hargrave >>> on Hillgrove and Hernani Stations. >>> >>> The other brother, George Copas ( also per Marquis of Huntley) was a cab >>> proprietor in Sydney and ended up owning a hotel in Riley St., >>> Woolloomooloo. George also owned property in Oxford St. Paddington when >>> he >>> died and left a substantial legacy to his family, friends and charities. >>> I >>> am guessing that Henry had a falling out with his brothers and moved >>> onto >>> "greener pastures" but why on earth Hernani. Even today it is very cold >>> in >>> winter being high in the New England Ranges and has quite steep and >>> hostile >>> terrain but in those days must have also been very isolated. Even >>> Armidale >>> was just a very small town in the late 1840's. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> John Caling >>> Currimundi, Qld. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >>> Lesley >>> Uebel >>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:19 PM >>> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >>> >>> >>> So John, >>> >>> Do you think your gggg grandchild will ask "I wonder why John Caling >>> moved >>> to Queensland in 2007" ?? >>> >>> or do you have it all written down for them? >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Lesley Uebel >>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>> >>> <SNIP> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:53:46 +1100 >> From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <200903070553.n275rkht010628@mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> >> >> If he was there at Culloden & survived he wouldn'twant to remember that >> time in his life. Cold, wet & starved days before the battle began >> even. Cheers. Annie >> >> >>> fletch <waugpath@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>> >>> What a wonderful concept, Time Travel ! >>> >>> If I could be transported back in time the first ' gentleman ' I would >>> like to chat to would be my 3rd great grandfather Donald Kennedy ( Royal >>> Admiral 1792 ) and his wife Ann Grant who came free on board the same >>> vessel. >>> >>> I would ask about life in Urquhart Inverness in those so far away times, >>> why he committed the crime that he did, and just how tough was farming >>> life in the Colony in those early days. >>> >>> I would then like to ask Ann Grant about her memories of her grandfather >>> William Grant and if he related any tales about his participation in the >>> Battle of Culloden, his transportation to the West Indies for six years >>> and just how did he manage to get back to Scotland ? >>> >>> All the unanswered questions would then be asked of all the other six >>> direct line convicts but that would take an age to complete and I'm sure >>> that even the Tardis doesn't have that amount of time for one traveller. >>> >>> Arnie >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:02:12 +1100 >> From: anne caroline pittard <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <200903070602.n2762COn028597@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> >> >> Lyn, Henrietta was christened 1820 St Mary's Catholic Church, >> nsw....V182012 128. Cheers. Annie >> >> >>> Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g >>> grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after >>> being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married >>> >>> at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was >>> born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And >>> I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she >>> died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in >>> Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in >>> Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, >>> Michael Kenny. >>> >>> Lyn >>> >>> Lesley Uebel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >>>> >>>> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >>>> >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lesley Uebel >>>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: >>>> >>> 03/06/09 07:20:00 >>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:11:16 +0900 >> From: "Jan" <boris52@iprimus.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <02d801c99eeb$872b39f0$9581add0$@com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Michelle there are couple of mentions of Patrick Tunney on the Free >> Settler >> or Felon web site. >> And it's not so impossible to dream of a diary. There is quite a story of >> my >> posting a name on the Claim a Convict site and finding a descendant back >> in >> England, that had old letters written from my convict's daughter here. >> What a thrill that was. >> >> Jan D >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Michelle >> Nichols >> Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 2:38 PM >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time Travel >> >> >> Hi all, >> As I am a closet time travel reader, I have often thought about this >> topic. >> First convict ancestor I would like to visit would be Patrick Tunney. He >> was >> from Roscommon from Ireland arrived on the "Pilot" in 1816 and had two >> children with Sarah Pendergast. He died in 1824 and I would dearly love to >> know if Laurence Tunney who he was tried with and came out on the same >> boat >> was related, uncle, father, brother? I also would like to know, where he >> hid >> his diary. I am sure he had one (ha ha) I used to fantasize that one day I >> would find Patrick's very detailed diary that he began when he was 5 years >> old....(never mind that he probably couldn't write) didn't all our >> ancestors >> have diaries, letters and family bibles hidden somewhere, we just need to >> know where!! >> >> I would also find it very rewarding to spend some time with John >> Pendergast >> (Sarah's dad) who came out in 1800 on the "Minerva". I would like to know >> where he came from in Ireland (only know he was tried in Dublin) his >> parents >> and confirm whether he really was involved in the 1798 uprising. >> >> I would take my digital camera and photograph him with all the family I >> could round up on the day, weher he lived and would also take my MP3 >> player >> and conduct an oral history interview, one of those ones that you ask 1001 >> questions, like what date is your birthday, what school did you attend, >> what >> is your favourite color, what were your parents names etc etc. If I could >> take my laptop with me I sit with everyone and and fill in the data as I >> went. >> >> Good topic Lesley, but I think better stop there... >> Michelle Nichols >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:11:12 +1100 >> From: Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel >> To: acpittard@optusnet.com.au, aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <49B21000.5070002@skymesh.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Yes Annie, she was christened as an adult, so no parents names given. >> Lyn >> >> anne caroline pittard wrote: >> >>> Lyn, Henrietta was christened 1820 St Mary's Catholic Church, >>> nsw....V182012 128. Cheers. Annie >>> >>> >>> >>>> Lyn <lynstree@skymesh.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> Out of my 21 convict ancestors that I know of, I'd like to ask my g g g >>>> grandfather, Edmund Burke, who arrived on the Tellicherry in 1805 after >>>> being tried in Limerick, about his wife Henrietta Macklin who he married >>>> >>>> at St Mary's Sydney on 10 Aug 1820. I understand that Henrietta was >>>> born in NSW, but I would like to ask Edmund who her parents were. And >>>> I'd like to know what happened to Henrietta, as I can't find when she >>>> died and can't see her mentioned in Edmund's will when he died in >>>> Wollongong in Feb 1848, leaving most of his property (50acres, now in >>>> Wollongong CBD) to my g g grandmother Ellen (b 1822) and her husband, >>>> Michael Kenny. >>>> >>>> Lyn >>>> >>>> Lesley Uebel wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. >>>>> >>>>> Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lesley Uebel >>>>> mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >>>>> CLAIM A CONVICT >>>>> http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> >>>>> >>>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 03/06/09 07:20:00 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Cheers. Anne from Cairns, Aus. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 >>> 07:20:00 >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:21:06 -0500 >> From: wdiggins@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Robert Cooper >> To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <8CB6D0408B9D200-10C8-72@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> Hi Listers, >> I am hoping I may be able to make contact with anyone >> connected to Robert Cooper of the Earl Spencer 1814. He doesn't appear >> to have been claimed on Lesley's Claim a Convict site. >> >> Kind regards, Warren Diggins >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the >> move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:31:47 +1000 >> From: "I Baig" <baigpath@aapt.net.au> >> Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel William Brittain, Guildford and Ruby >> 1812 >> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <A70F4EE3D0034035BA42B8DA0864E93D@IbbiePC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Great idea Lesley, >> >> I would want to find William Brittain/en/on and ask him was he really the >> father of Ann Leader's child in 1817 and, if so, how did he get back to >> Port >> Jackson in time for this to happen after stealing the ship Unity from the >> Derwent in 1813. And how come he wasn't hung. I would also ask if it was >> really his co travellor Frederick Callaghan (Guildford and co pirate of >> the >> Unity) listed in the 1825 PJ muster. I would also ask if he enjoyed his >> life in New Norfolk and was his son James the owner of the Rose that >> sailed >> regularly from Port Cygnet to Hobart. And then, given his record, I >> probably wouldn't believe a word he said!! >> >> Regards, Natalie >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS list administrator, send an email >> to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS mailing list, send an >> email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 92 >> ****************************************************** >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 3917 (20090307) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > >

Joan, Your Mary Bateman would have known my 5xgreat grandmother, Mary Wade, as she was also on the /Lady Juliana/ (at 11 years of age being the youngest female convict to be transported) and went to Norfolk Is. My family history book "Mary Wade to Us" states that the /Lady Juliana/ arrived in Sydney Cove on 6/6/1790 with the convicts disembarking on 11/6/1790. As the /Lady Juliana /was unfit to continue on to Norfolk Is, soon after disembarking, 150 of the younger and healthier women were boarded onto the /Surprise/ and arrived in Norfolk Is 7/8/1790. The landing of people and goods on the island was hazardous and when the /Surprise/ was disembarking her convicts, one boat load of women and stores capsized in the heavy surf, with 7 lives being lost and the boat smashed to pieces. (our Mary's would most likely have witnessed the incident) Most of the women were assigned to non-convict men. Before leaving Norfolk Is and returning to Sydney, Mary Wade gave birth to two children (convict father) - Sarah, my 4xgreat grandmother, and William, Kevin Rudd's 4xgreat grandfather. Lyn L Nichols wrote: > My first choice would be Simeon Lord (my 3xgreat grandfather) - what stories > he would have to tell!!!! I'd also like him to give me a picture of his > house at Botany and to let him know that his family Bible is lovingly in the > care of the Mitchell Library in Sydney. Also one of his account books is > there with a most interesting drawing of what appears to be native animals. > Who drew it? Hopefully (although he predeceased her by 21 years) he could > tell me where his wife, Mary nee Hyde (aka Sarah Blunn) is buried. > > And Mary Lord, I would like to know why she made no mention of leaving > anything to Simeon Junior's children in her will. > > To both Mary and Simeon I would tell them about these huge birds which now > land and take off on part of their Botany property and the 3 grants to the > west of Simeon's grants which they later owned. Very, very, very large > birds which "swallow" and "disgorge" at least 300 people and even bigger > birds are coming!!!!! > > To Mary Bateman (my 4xgreat grandmother), (Lady Juliana) I would sympathise > with her plight - yes I know she was a "pro." at approx. age 14 but times > were tough then. But I can understand why she eventually died in the > Liverpool Lunatic Asylum > - 11 and a bit months on board the Lady Juliana (I presume she partook in > the brothel activities); > - arriving in Sydney (a very desolate place compared to the hustle and > bustle of London); > - being sent to Norfolk Island (when did you go; did you commit a crime in > Sydney or were you and other Lady Juliana convicts sent there to be > "wives"). Even less on the Island than in Sydney> > - being married to a man much older than you and very stubborn. > - and if that wasn't enough, just as you were beginning to be settled on > Norfolk Island, being transported to Van Diemen's Land (eventually living in > Hobart and having to start all over again). "Exiled 3 times over" - no > wonder you were declared insane. > > Joan Nichols > > Joan Nichols > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 03/06/09 07:20:00 > >

Its simple in the ACT Lesley - I only had to deposit one copy - a minimal cost. Family historians should look upon this process as a plus because its a way of ensuring long term retention of your efforts in writing up your research. Grahame On 08/03/2009, at 10:05 AM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi Grahame > > Each State and Territory has its own laws as regards legal deposits > although a > copy of any book - (A work can be a book, a periodical such as a > newsletter or > annual report, a newspaper, a piece of sheet music, map, plan, > chart, table, > program, catalogue, brochure or pamphlet.) produced has to be > deposited with > the National Library of Australia. > > As I live in NSW I had to provide 5 free copies of a book I > produced a few years > ago to various libraries and that included one to the NLA. The NLA > does not, at > this stage, require a copy of any CD or DVD produced although some > States do > have that requirement. I went through all of this years ago with > the State > Government here in NSW. > > It is something that everyone should be aware of when publishing a > 'printed > book' as it adds greatly to the expense. On the other hand if one > publishes > something using a CD only, then they have the problem of people > copying and > distributing it to their friends...... which many people do > unfortunately. > > Legal Deposit web site > > http://www.nla.gov.au/services/ldeposit.html > > > Lesley Uebel >

Hi list I would like to spend a few hours with my g/g/g/g/grandfather John Manning who arrived on the Royal Admiral in 1800. I know a fair bit about his life in Sydney but only his trial details in London. You are said to have been born in Whitechapel about 1768, and at your 1798 Old Bailey trial you said you had a wife and five small children. Was your name spelt Manning, or Mainwaring, or Mannering? Perhaps you dont know how it was spelt anyway. Did you really have five children or were you trying to influence the decision? What were their names and the name of your wife? Who were your parents? Grandparents? Did any of your children come to Sydney as has been suggested? Your deed is so open were you trying to get caught to get away from your family and terrible London? Where did you live in London? What work did you do - described as a labourer? Could you read and write? When your partner Margaret Beynon (Nile 1801) died in 1849 she was described as the wife of a gentleman. Well done. cheers Grahame

Hi Grahame Each State and Territory has its own laws as regards legal deposits although a copy of any book - (A work can be a book, a periodical such as a newsletter or annual report, a newspaper, a piece of sheet music, map, plan, chart, table, program, catalogue, brochure or pamphlet.) produced has to be deposited with the National Library of Australia. As I live in NSW I had to provide 5 free copies of a book I produced a few years ago to various libraries and that included one to the NLA. The NLA does not, at this stage, require a copy of any CD or DVD produced although some States do have that requirement. I went through all of this years ago with the State Government here in NSW. It is something that everyone should be aware of when publishing a 'printed book' as it adds greatly to the expense. On the other hand if one publishes something using a CD only, then they have the problem of people copying and distributing it to their friends...... which many people do unfortunately. Legal Deposit web site http://www.nla.gov.au/services/ldeposit.html Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Grahame & Rosslyn Thom Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:21 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - recording An interesting observation Lesley. I dont know the ins and outs, but as I understand in Australia under Commonwealth law any organisation that makes a publication widely available, is required by law in submit a copy to NLA (and by State legislation to the State Library). This is easy when it is in hard copy but for the internet I am unsure. One would expect the relevant Act has been updated to cover internet material put up on a registered Australian URL. As its impractical to collect the lot the Act probably allows NLA to be selective. I doubt "permission" is required, but depends on co- operation between NLA and web site "owner". I am sure its explained on the PANDORA site. I would imagine under Australian law if someone publishes material on a CD or DVD and makes them available to the public then a copy should be sent to NLA (and appropriate State Library). I would expect the USA to have a similar law (and State laws) and that law would apply to rootsweb whatever it provides. But what happens when things cross borders???? Another observation is that all material on the internet is generally available world wide whether free or fee. So how can copying be stopped. Yes there are copyright laws but???? Its a big world of information regards Grahame

Hello Lesley, They don't seek permission. I know, as their "Pandora" trawled by web site on and off for several weeks. I don't have a problem with that as I can "copy" any web site I like as well. If you don't want information to be "stored" by others, do not put it on the internet. Regards, -- Perth WA 2009/3/7 Lesley Uebel <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au>: > Hi Grahame > > I do hope that they ask for permission before they archive anything they find on > the internet. > > Rootsweb do not allow their lists to be archived by anyone other than Rootsweb > > Regards >     Lesley Uebel >     mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au >     CLAIM A CONVICT >     http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >

Hi Jenny, Re Daniel Calvin, this is not the first wedding preformed by Father Therry, that has not been found. My ancestor Elizabeth(Betsy)Sinnott was married to Richard Dwyer by Father Therry but again no evidence exists. I know this marriage happened as it was certified as having happened on a application to remove Elizabeth's daughter from the Orphan Asylum. The application for permission to marry together with two other exists but not the evidence of the marriage. It would be interesting to how many of his marriages are missing from the records that were supplied later to the Register General. Was a book lost or were just a few not recorded or was a page or so lost from the book or did the book get wet in the saddle bag and some pages become illegible? Regards Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: Jenny T [mailto:] Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2009 8:00 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Time Capsule Hi List Snip: Let's assume that a time travel capsule has been invented. Which convict ancestor would you visit first and why? I would like to ask my 3x great grandfather Daniel CANVIN to please put down his anvil and come and sit down quietly under a tree on the Badgery's property at Majors Creek and tell me why: Although I have his permission to marry document dated 5 Aug 1826, I can't find a marriage. I would tell him that I have been through all the records BMD, LDS, Mutch Index, Fr Therry's Papers, I have tried to scale the wall and get into the inner sanctum at St Mary's Cathedral however Pauline tells me that I can't have access to their files. I would say that I have found reference to his marriage in a book by Kieran Sheedy and I have written to Kieran Sheedy in Ireland asking for the source however I didn't get a reply. The book goes on to tell me that the marriage was performed by Fr Therry and that Mary Dwyer acted as one of the witnesses. Now that has had to come from somewhere. I would also like to know, if you did marry Elizabeth MASINER c 1826, why your first child Eliza was not born until 1831. I believe that it is good to wait however five years is a little out of kilter for those days. Did you perhaps loose some babies or were you employed miles away. I would tell him and that I am enjoying my research and after one big hug I would slip away clutching the horse shoe that he gave me. Jenny

An interesting observation Lesley. I dont know the ins and outs, but as I understand in Australia under Commonwealth law any organisation that makes a publication widely available, is required by law in submit a copy to NLA (and by State legislation to the State Library). This is easy when it is in hard copy but for the internet I am unsure. One would expect the relevant Act has been updated to cover internet material put up on a registered Australian URL. As its impractical to collect the lot the Act probably allows NLA to be selective. I doubt "permission" is required, but depends on co- operation between NLA and web site "owner". I am sure its explained on the PANDORA site. I would imagine under Australian law if someone publishes material on a CD or DVD and makes them available to the public then a copy should be sent to NLA (and appropriate State Library). I would expect the USA to have a similar law (and State laws) and that law would apply to rootsweb whatever it provides. But what happens when things cross borders???? Another observation is that all material on the internet is generally available world wide whether free or fee. So how can copying be stopped. Yes there are copyright laws but???? Its a big world of information regards Grahame On 07/03/2009, at 8:39 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi Grahame > > I do hope that they ask for permission before they archive anything > they find on > the internet. > > Rootsweb do not allow their lists to be archived by anyone other > than Rootsweb > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html >

Hi Lesley & list, Who first? Maybe my GGG grandfather John Winch, Hillsborough 1799 - but he never told the truth, so no use asking the questions! Second choice would be Mary Tumilty, John Renwick 1838. She put in 2 applications to marry, both in 1843. One to Cornelius Dehany or Danehe, Parmelia 1833, the other Thomas Sanderson or Saunderson of John Barry, 1839, both applied through Rev. John Rigney of Wollongong. She married neither but son Thomas was born c1845, never baptised. She married Joseph Jagelman, Marquis of Huntley 1835, in 1847, & son John took the Jagelman surname. Please Mary, could you tell my children the identity of their GGG grandfather? Joan Edwards Enjoying PJ since the very early days - thanks Lesley.

Hi Lyn, I gather you are referring to the Mary Wade who was the partner of Jonathan Brooker. My Diggins family is connected to the Brooker's by marriage to Jonathan Brooker's grandson Murdo. I am interested in finding out about the origins of Jonathan, as I have another "possible" connection to a Brooker family through my Diggins line. I have seen it posted on the internet that Jonathan Brooker (Atlantic 1791) was born in Kent, notwithstanding having been tried in Surrey. I have also found a photo of his headstone which indicates he was 76 when he died. I was wondering where the information came from that he was born in Kent, and I would like to find some verification of his birth year. Kind regards, Warren Diggins ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

This has worried me - it is all on computer now but what is going to be the method of recording in say 100/200 years or even in 20 years - will what is recorded on our computers be lost?? I know that in my family a bible was buried with a family member and and all the information recorded in it is now lost forever so I try where possible to provide my family with copies of photographs, some of which are over 100 years old, so that maybe they will survive and be available to the following generations and it will be so much easier for them to trace their heritage and they will not have so many "brick walls". I know everyone is not into family history and when I was younger it did not seem important to know about your family history however now I cannot get enought information and how I wish I had listened to my grandparents & parents stories about their childhood and thir parents/grandparents coming to this country - maybe I would not have so many brick walls and I would have been aware much sooner in life that I had 2 convicts as ancestors. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: **SPAM** Re: [PJ] Time travel - recording > > But John.... :) > > Your gggg etc grandparents may have used a method to record the family > history > way back in the 1820's i.e.. a family Bible. One may have been passed > down one > line only to be tossed by someone who was not interested and certainly > didn't > want a record of a convict on the family. How many times as that happened! > How > many times do we see family Bibles up for sale? How many times do we find > old > photographs that have been tossed out by someone for sale at the local > markets? > > Computers are commonplace these days, but we don't know what will be > available > in say, 200 years. Some people upload their family history onto various > web > sites but we just don't know if these will still exist in 200 plus years. > > Lots of copies of the written word - I hope will survive and be retained > by at > least a few who are interested. > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11910 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11910 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Leslie, if only !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would love to just take his hand and ask him to take me to where his wife Elizabeth is buried, so I could finally fulfil an ambition of mine to visit and place a flower on all my Australian direct ancestors graves before my turn arrives.