Hi List, I would like to travel back and visit Thomas Randall who came out on the "Guildford in 1820. I would also love to see what his life was like when he first arrived in Australia and what prompted him to get himself into more trouble after his arrival. I would also like to know if he actually committed the crime he was charged for in 1847 which then got him transported to Tasmania. Marie Simpson

Hi Gladys Do you have a copy of Judith Mcleods book on Porter Hutchinson Wicks Weavers families, and what is your direct line as I can prob put you in contact with a few people. Do you have a connection to the Hanslows at all?? Regards Susan

Hi Russell, Imagine having Christmas pud. in those rolling seas in Bass Strait. Liz. > Based on the Lord Melville voyage they would have been passing > south-west Victoria and/or heading into/through Bass Strait. > > Russell > > Jenny T wrote: > > >> Hello Listers >> >> Another thank you to all the folk who are still throwing their hat into the ring re. Fr Therry thread; you have all helped me tremendously. >> >> My convict Daniel CANVIN and the ship Elizabeth 3 arrived in Sydney on 31 December 1820 and so he would have been at sea for Christmas eve and day. Did the masters of these convict ships do anything for their convicts to let them celebrate (nip of rum all round) or was it business as usual? Is there anyone out there that is willing to take a stab as to what part of the coast of Australia, Elizabeth 3 would have been passing 23-24 Dec? >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Hi Gladys Do you have a copy of Judith Mcleods book on Porter Hutchinson Wicks Weavers families, and what is your direct line as I can prob put you in contact with a few people. Do you have a connection to the Hanslows at all?? Regards Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gladys" <glad1@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - Mary Hutchinson > Hello List > > I would love to ask my GGG grandmother Mary Hutchinson per "Mary Ann" > 1791, > about the deaths of her mother Ann, who had also arrived on the "Mary Ann" > 1791 (both found guilty of plying a woman with gin and robbing her) and > the > man James Weavers whom she was living with. > James Weavers and Richard Porter, to whom Ann was married, both men had > land > grants at Kissing Point. They had arrived on the same ship "Surprise"in > 1790. > Ann died on 3rd April 1805 at Kissing Point, James Weavers died one day > later on 4th April 1805 also at Kissing Point. > > Mary & Richard Porter were later married on 8th June 1811. > > Gladys at Coogee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1990 - Release Date: 03/08/09 17:17:00

Hi Liz I have not read the book as I feel that there are so many other books available that are better researched. This book did not receive a good review by The Australian newspaper last year. http://tinyurl.com/b6c5gx Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walker Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:36 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Book "1788" Hello Lesley and Listers I am currently reading the book "1788" by David Hill, and am finding it very interesting, especially as it covers quite lot of information about the years in England before the departure of the First Fleet, the various ships which came and went , the hardship of the first years here. How they all survived those years, and in particular the first year, is nothing short of a miracle. Great background on the ships, as none were new, and the ships' captains and their previous experiences, and a good read for those whose families arrived here prior to 1800. Liz

Based on the Lord Melville voyage they would have been passing south-west Victoria and/or heading into/through Bass Strait. Russell Jenny T wrote: >Hello Listers > >Another thank you to all the folk who are still throwing their hat into the ring re. Fr Therry thread; you have all helped me tremendously. > >My convict Daniel CANVIN and the ship Elizabeth 3 arrived in Sydney on 31 December 1820 and so he would have been at sea for Christmas eve and day. Did the masters of these convict ships do anything for their convicts to let them celebrate (nip of rum all round) or was it business as usual? Is there anyone out there that is willing to take a stab as to what part of the coast of Australia, Elizabeth 3 would have been passing 23-24 Dec? > >

Hi Lesley and All, This came in from my son-in-law - I must be saying something right to be sent this!! - On this day in 1801, Britain conducted its first modern census. In it, people were asked to specify their "rank, profession or occupation". Some of the more unusual professions listed in the responses (which are preserved by the London Genealogical Society) are - Emasculator Sampler of drugs Proprietor of midgets Knocker-up of work people * Examiner of underclothing Rust attendant at lavatory And David's favourite of all - Turnip Shepherd. That sounds like a nice, undemanding profession. * For an even more obscure piece of trivia, the knocker-up was a valuable profession during the industrial revolution. They were essentially a human alarm clock who, for a small weekly fee, would come around and knock on the windows of factory workers (using a long pole to reach upper floor windows) to wake them for their shift. The invention of a cheap, reliable alarm clock rendered the profession obsolete overnight. Liz

Hello Lesley and Listers I am currently reading the book "1788" by David Hill, and am finding it very interesting, especially as it covers quite lot of information about the years in England before the departure of the First Fleet, the various ships which came and went , the hardship of the first years here. How they all survived those years, and in particular the first year, is nothing short of a miracle. Great background on the ships, as none were new, and the ships' captains and their previous experiences, and a good read for those whose families arrived here prior to 1800. Liz

Hello Betty & List No I don't believe they were related. Regards Gladys -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Candy Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2009 6:24 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Time travel - Mary Hutchinson Do you think Ann and Mary were related to William Hutchinson and Abraham Hutchinson. William's wife came to Sydney from Norfolk Island to settle her estate in 1805. Regards Betty Candy

The Minerva arrived on 26th December 1839 with my ancestors Catherine Byrne and Catherine Bradshaw. Hope they were given a few gingerbreads to celebrate ! Cheers Janine

Hi again Jenny Have you checked the ships &/or Surgeons log.... regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jenny T Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:16 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Christmas on board a Convict Ship Hello Listers Another thank you to all the folk who are still throwing their hat into the ring re. Fr Therry thread; you have all helped me tremendously. My convict Daniel CANVIN and the ship Elizabeth 3 arrived in Sydney on 31 December 1820 and so he would have been at sea for Christmas eve and day. Did the masters of these convict ships do anything for their convicts to let them celebrate (nip of rum all round) or was it business as usual? Is there anyone out there that is willing to take a stab as to what part of the coast of Australia, Elizabeth 3 would have been passing 23-24 Dec? Lesley I am wondering if you if there were many convict ships that arrived around Christmas and New Year. Thanks everyone Jenny

Hi Jenny, A few transports did arrive on Christmas Day but the convicts would have remained on board until mustered Christmas Day arrivals Phoenix III Sir Charles Forbes (4) New Year arrivals Henry Porcher (2) Convicts, in the early days, were given an extra ration to celebrate the Kings birthday also it was a day the Governor used to issue pardons >From the Sydney Gazette 19 January 1811 Yesterday, being the Birthday of Our Most Gracious Queen, was observed as a Holiday throughout the Colony. The usual salutes were fired, and presents made to the Non-commissioned Officers and Privates of the 73rd Regiment, of half-a-pint of spirits and a pound of fresh beef a man, which latter compliment was also extended to the prisoners, who were excused from attending to their usual avocations in honour of the day. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jenny T Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:16 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Christmas on board a Convict Ship Hello Listers Another thank you to all the folk who are still throwing their hat into the ring re. Fr Therry thread; you have all helped me tremendously. My convict Daniel CANVIN and the ship Elizabeth 3 arrived in Sydney on 31 December 1820 and so he would have been at sea for Christmas eve and day. Did the masters of these convict ships do anything for their convicts to let them celebrate (nip of rum all round) or was it business as usual? Is there anyone out there that is willing to take a stab as to what part of the coast of Australia, Elizabeth 3 would have been passing 23-24 Dec? Lesley I am wondering if you if there were many convict ships that arrived around Christmas and New Year. Thanks everyone Jenny

Nita I have the following information regarding John Jackson. I have not verified the dates of birth etc. of the children One of the sons married my GG Aunt Caroline Merrick. Name: John JACKSON ---------------------------------------- Misc. Notes Native of Shropshire had completed an apprenticeships in tailoring Tried at Worcester 3. 3. 1830 Arrived 27.7.1830 on the "Burrell" as a convict Assigned to Dr. James MITCHELL went to Glendon uner Helinus SCOTT and there met Sussanah HALL daughter of Thomas HALL and Sarah BROOKES who came free and had married Thomas in Kent Sarah brought three daugheters with her. Marriage: 23 Feb 1833 Glendon ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Susannah HALL ---------------------------------------- Birth: 15 May 1817 Sydney Father: Thomas HALL (~1773-1821) Mother: Sarah BROOKES (~1787-) Children: ---------------------------------------- 1 M: Henry JACKSON Birth: 18 Jul 1836 Glendon Brook, N.S.W. Death: 28 Jun 1933 Howes Valley, N.S.W. Age: 96 Burial: 1933 "Grannies" Jackson property Howes Valley, N.S.W. Age: 96 Occupation: Farmer Spouse: Caroline Susannah MERRICK, GG Aunt Marriage: 20 Dec 1860 St. Thomas C of E Wollombi, N.S.W. ---------------------------------------- 2 M: John JACKSON Birth: 10 Feb 1838 Spouse: Catherine SWEENEY Marriage: 25 Aug 1856 West Maitland ---------------------------------------- 3 M: William JACKSON Birth: 7 Jan 1841 ---------------------------------------- 4 F: Sarah JACKSON Birth: 7 Mar 1842 Regards Allan Murphy -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nita Fraser Sent: Monday, 9 March 2009 10:38 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Time Capsule What a great idea I would like to speak to John Jackson Ship Burrell 1 who married Sussanah Hall daughter of Thomas Hall who was drowned in middle harbour John and Sussannah had 3 boys and a daughter the last time I found any information was the birth of daughter Sarah born1842 Please John where did you your wife and 2 last children finished up? your descendant Nita Fraser ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kevin, An interesting article. The following is from the HRA and although I did send it to the list many years ago, some of the new listers may be interested. It also explains why the Sydney Gazette often published the names of people for whom mail was waiting to be collected. Post Office ---------------- The Lieutenant Governor Paterson we owe the establishment of the first post office at Sydney. The practice prior to April 1809, had been for captains of vessels to take charge of the mails and hand them to the addressees on application. This primitive system, adequate enough before the birth of trade, soon opened the gate to fraud. Personation became easy. Masters of vessels had in most instances no personal knowledge of the applicants; and when the individual, for whom the letter was intended, applied, he found that it had already been delivered to another. To rectify this, Paterson notified, in an Order dated 25th April 1809, that Mr Isaac Nichols (then assistant to the naval officer) was to take charge of all letters etc. His private home was to be the post office. This was before the days of prepayment by postage stamps; and Paterson fixed the following scale of charges which had to be paid at the Sydney, or receiving, end, before a letter would be delivered, viz:- Every letter - 1 shilling Parcels under 20lb - 2s and sixpence Parcels over 20lb - 5 s Soldiers letters - 1 penny Lists were ordered to be published in the Sydney Gazette of the names of persons for whom letters or parcels were waiting. Macquarie endorsed this act of Paterson's in an Order dated 23rd June 1810. He slightly reduced the charges, and made provision for letters from any part of the territory (this would include VDL) for which the charge was to be fourpence. Isaac Nichols was continued in his position and his home in High Street (now George Street) remained the office. Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kevin and Sandra Wilson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:01 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Thief Was the First Postie - Isaac NICHOLS 100 years in 1909 A recent story from the Courier Mail in Brisbane Qld (3 March 2009, page 43) Thief Was the First Postie Australia Post had a colourful beginning when a convict was appointed our first postmaster. Mail theft prompted the birth of Australia's postal service - but, ironically, the first man appointed as postmaster was a convicted thief. The Lieutenant Governor of the time deemed the new service a necessity because of frequent stealing of mail from incoming ships and appointed former convict Isaac Nichols to take charge of all mail arriving in the colony of New South Wales. That appointment, on April 25, 1809, heralded the start of a formal postal service in the fledging colony.

Hi Liz: Not all did survive the first year! In particular, my 4th greatuncle Richard WILLCOCKS/WILCOCKS/WILCOX (in various dcuments) who was my claimed convict. He was on Charlotte in the First Fleet, arriving early 1788, but was buried on 16 Dec 1788, apparently aged 35 although he would have been 25-26 at that time. Richard was chr. at Stoke Damerel, Devon, on 8 Jan 1763, son of Robert WILCOCKS and Hannah HEARLE, both born of Cornish parents. Robert was born in Antony, Cornwall, across the Tamar from Devonport Dock, as was his father Robert and grandfather John. Hannah was christened at Stoke Damerel, but her father Samuel HEARLE was from Tywardreath. I know very little about the mother Jane, whi is named on the baptism for Hannah in 1733. Richard was next found in the Plymouth Dockyard between 30 Jan 1775 and 12 Aug 1779 when he left at his own request. He was recorded as a good worker, as a Quarter Boy. On 20th October, 1785, he was committed with Thomas PARKER and William JENKINS for an assault with sticks, with intent to rob, by Joseph Tolcher, Mayor of Plymouth, tried the following Epiphany Quarter Sessions at Exeter, and sentenced to seven years transportation. Meanwhile, he was on the Dunkirk Hulk, prior to his arrival at Port Jackson on 26 January 1788. The fact that his burial record shows his name as Richard WILCOX and age as 35 and burial in 16 December 1788, near the end of that first year, is further evidence of the harsh conditions in that settlement. Other records mention his age at sentencing as 23 and his age at arrival of the Charlotte as 25, which are both consistent with his baptism date. It is possible that the burial record mis-stated his age or it was mistranscribed as 35 by NSW records officials, or that they simply didn't know he was still only 25 at death, maybe looking ten years older by then as a result of the conditions. What does your book say about him if he is mentioned by name? I have no other information and have not read it. What is the ISBN and other details about the book? HTH Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA Liz wrote: > Hello Lesley and Listers > > I am currently reading the book "1788" by David Hill, and am finding it > very interesting, especially as it covers quite lot of information about > the years in England before the departure of the First Fleet, the > various ships which came and went , the hardship of the first years > here. How they all survived those years, and in particular the first > year, is nothing short of a miracle. > > Great background on the ships, as none were new, and the ships' captains > and their previous experiences, and a good read for those whose families > arrived here prior to 1800. > > Liz

Hi Russell, Not at Bombala in the Monaro District. We tried to find the grave of Sam Whittaker, my husband's convict, in the Bombala cemetery without success, no headstone. We approached the council, who were very helpful. The person we were directed to searched the records and found Sam's death and grave area,, but he said to us that in their efforts to transcribe records from the local churches , the Catholic Church was the only one refusing to allow access to their records. It obviously varies from place to place. Regards Kay On 10/03/2009, at 6:33 PM, Russell wrote: > In my experience the catholic church have their records in various > places - not just St Mary's, Sydney with the gate guardian from hell. > I rang a church in Naranderra NSW and the old preist said "just a > moment" and came back with a 105-year-old book of marriage records > that > were different to the NSW BDM info! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 11:01 PM 10/03/2009, you wrote: >The Lieutenant Governor of the time deemed the new service a necessity >because of frequent stealing of mail from incoming ships and appointed >former convict Isaac Nichols to take charge of all mail arriving in the >colony of New South Wales. Isaac Nicols married the first Jewish free settler in Australia - Rosanna Abrahams, the daughter of Esther Abrahams, father unknown. Rosannah was born in Newgate Prison and arrived here on the First Fleet age 10 months, with her 17 year old mother. Isaac & Rosannah's son George Robert Nicols, born 1809, the year of his father's post office appointment, became the first Australian born solicitor, parliamentarian, and NSW auditor-general. >Mail theft prompted the birth of Australia's postal service - but, >ironically, the first man appointed as postmaster was a convicted thief. And the son of a thief married to the illegitimate daughter of a teenage thief became auditor of the colony's finances. Gary _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Jenny T wrote: > My convict Daniel CANVIN and the ship Elizabeth 3 arrived in Sydney on 31 December 1820 and so he would have been at sea for Christmas eve and day. Did the masters of these convict ships do anything for their convicts to let them celebrate (nip of rum all round) or was it business as usual? Is there anyone out there that is willing to take a stab as to what part of the coast of Australia, Elizabeth 3 would have been passing 23-24 Dec? > > Lesley I am wondering if you if there were many convict ships that arrived around Christmas and New Year. Well, the female convict ship Louisa in 1827 might have expected to be still sailing on Christmas Day, having left Woolwich on 24^th August. But it had an unusually fast trip down under (about 101 days), and it actually arrived off Port Jackson on 3^rd December and put its prisoners on shore two weeks later, 18^th December. (When you say that the Elizabeth "arrived" on 31st December, does that mean anchoring offshore or actually unloading the convicts? If the prisoners DISEMBARKED on the 31st, the ship probably arrived offshore a couple of weeks before that, and the convicts would have spent Christmas Day riding at anchor) As for the approach route along the Australian coast, the Louisa’s log (by Surgeon Joseph Cook) is a bit confusing. A couple of weeks after skirting the volcanic Amsterdam islands in the southern Indian Ocean, it notes “N.S.Wales in sight. the West” on 20^th November. The following day, 21^st November, it mentions “entrance of Bass’s Straits” Then on 26^th November it records “island of Van Diemens Land in sight”, and on 27-28^th November “proceeding to the N d. along the coasts of V.D. Land and New South Wales”. New South Wales was pretty well synonymous with the whole Australian continent at that time, I believe, and Western Australia wasn’t even claimed as British territory by Freemantle until 1829. But unless the reference to the Bass Straits was a mistake – coming only one day after that first sight of land - the Louisa's first glimpse of "New South Wales" must have been somewhere between modern Adelaide and Melbourne, and I suppose the two weeks it took from there to Sydney (one-seventh of the time taken by the whole journey from England!) was due to heavy swell and headwinds. If its Surgeon's Log has survived, you may find that the Elizabeth followed a similar route along the 36-38 degree latitude. Best regards, John Humphrey

A recent story from the Courier Mail in Brisbane Qld (3 March 2009, page 43) Thief Was the First Postie Australia Post had a colourful beginning when a convict was appointed our first postmaster. Mail theft prompted the birth of Australia's postal service - but, ironically, the first man appointed as postmaster was a convicted thief. The Lieutenant Governor of the time deemed the new service a necessity because of frequent stealing of mail from incoming ships and appointed former convict Isaac Nichols to take charge of all mail arriving in the colony of New South Wales. That appointment, on April 25, 1809, heralded the start of a formal postal service in the fledging colony. A general order in the Sydney Gazette read: "the Lieutenant Governor , in order to prevent the practice of such frauds in future, has been pleased to establish an office at which all parcels and letters addressed to the inhabitants of this colony shall be deposited, previous to their distribution." Nichols had been transported to NSW for stealing, but so impressed the authorities with his hard work during his seven-year sentence that he was appointed chief overseer of convict labourers. After his release he opened an inn on Sydney's George St, acquired more than 500ha of land, established a shipyard and was named superintendent of public works a month before becoming postmaster. After being appointed the colony's postmaster, Nichols opened Australia's first post office at his Sydney home and advertised the names of all mail recipients in the Gazette. Those listed could collect their letters from his home at the fixed price of a shilling a letter, with parcels costing more depending on weight. High-ranking members of the community received personal deliveries. In 1828, Australia's first postman began delivering letters around town and in 1831 the first posting boxes for letters appeared. Stamps were not required because the recipient paid for the letters, not the sender. Pre-paid stamped letter sheets were introduced in 1838, two years before the world's first adhesive postage stamp. England's famous Penny Black, but at a cost of one shilling and threepence a dozen it was expensive and people still preferred to make the addressee pay. Prepayment of mail became compulsory in the 1850s. In 1852, Victoria was the first to make stamps compulsory. (There is a coloured sketch of Isaac Nichols in the article) Plenty more can be found on a google search. Kind Regards Kevin Wilson Brisbane QLD

Hello Listers Another thank you to all the folk who are still throwing their hat into the ring re. Fr Therry thread; you have all helped me tremendously. My convict Daniel CANVIN and the ship Elizabeth 3 arrived in Sydney on 31 December 1820 and so he would have been at sea for Christmas eve and day. Did the masters of these convict ships do anything for their convicts to let them celebrate (nip of rum all round) or was it business as usual? Is there anyone out there that is willing to take a stab as to what part of the coast of Australia, Elizabeth 3 would have been passing 23-24 Dec? Lesley I am wondering if you if there were many convict ships that arrived around Christmas and New Year. Thanks everyone Jenny