Hi Jenni I have had the same trouble with my Irish Convict [Patrick Conlon] from Co Kildare tried July 1817. I know he was sentenced for theft but that is all. I wrote to the local county Library to find out if there was a newspaper account unfortunately for me, there were nil local papers at this time being published. You might have better luck in Co Meath. The Library should have an email contact to ask. The Library in Newbridge Kildare suggested I contact the National Archives to see if he was listed in the Prisoners Petitions 1777-1836 [ these are appeals from convicted people for pardons or reductions in sentence]. Again no luck for mine but you might find yours in these records. I would be interested in hearing of any other resources, that this information might be found for an Irish convict in this time frame. Karen On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Jenni Kay <jenni@esc.net.au> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am having a difficult time trying to discover what crime my convict > ancestor committed.. I've checked the indents ( The Port Jackson Convicts > Anthology), Irish database, the NSW State Records and cannot find the info > I'm after. This was James O'Neil of the Canada (3) arrived PJ 1815, trial at > Co. Meath Ireland 1814, sentence to life. > > Cheers, > Jenni > South Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I am having a difficult time trying to discover what crime my convict ancestor committed.. I've checked the indents ( The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology), Irish database, the NSW State Records and cannot find the info I'm after. This was James O'Neil of the Canada (3) arrived PJ 1815, trial at Co. Meath Ireland 1814, sentence to life. Cheers, Jenni South Australia

Great! Thank you for confirming that. Karen On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Grahame & Rosslyn Thom <grthom@bigpond.com>wrote: > Both Karen > > Grahame > > On 19/03/2009, at 6:26 PM, Karen Hodges wrote: > > > Hi Grahame > > > > I wondered about this source, does Nick just cover the known parish > > records > > that feature in BDM index or has he also looked into ones that are > > still > > held locally with parish churches, that are unindexed? > > > > Karen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Both Karen Grahame On 19/03/2009, at 6:26 PM, Karen Hodges wrote: > Hi Grahame > > I wondered about this source, does Nick just cover the known parish > records > that feature in BDM index or has he also looked into ones that are > still > held locally with parish churches, that are unindexed? > > Karen > >

Hi Grahame I wondered about this source, does Nick just cover the known parish records that feature in BDM index or has he also looked into ones that are still held locally with parish churches, that are unindexed? Karen On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Grahame & Rosslyn Thom <grthom@bigpond.com>wrote: > Hi list > > Another interesting publication is "Parish Registers in Australia" by > Nick Vine Hall, 1989. The purpose of this book is to indicate where > originals and copies are held. Also there is a summary for each > State/Territory. Even though 20 years old it is still useful. > > Grahame > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list Another interesting publication is "Parish Registers in Australia" by Nick Vine Hall, 1989. The purpose of this book is to indicate where originals and copies are held. Also there is a summary for each State/Territory. Even though 20 years old it is still useful. Grahame

Hi Marina Thank you for that information - I have a friend who goes to Kingswood quite often so I will ask her to get it for me. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina Grainger" <mgrainger67@yahoo.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library > Hi Joy, > I saw this book for sale the the State Records office in Kingswood. I > can't remember how much, but you could call them and ask. > Regards, > Marina. > > On 19/03/2009, at 12:34 PM, <joyldean@bigpond.com> > <joyldean@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Hi Coralie >> >> Is this book available in the family history section of local >> libraries or >> only at the Mitchell Library? >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11990 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11990 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

Hi Joy, I bought my copy years ago as it was published in 1988. I would imagine that it could be in many libraries. SAG have it in their library, but not for sale in their bookshop. Regards, Coralie -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of joyldean@bigpond.com Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2009 12:34 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library Hi Coralie Is this book available in the family history section of local libraries or only at the Mitchell Library? Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coralie Hird" <cdhird@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library > Hi All, > > This book is probably "The Catholics of New South Wales 1788-1820 & Their > Families" by James Hugh Donohoe ISBN 0 7240 7974 2 > > Regards, > Coralie >

Hi Joy Check your local library. My one Hawkesbury (Windsor) NSW has it but not for loan. Happy Hunting Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <joyldean@bigpond.com> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library > Hi Coralie > > Is this book available in the family history section of local libraries or > only at the Mitchell Library? > > Joy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Coralie Hird" <cdhird@optusnet.com.au> > To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library > > >> Hi All, >> >> This book is probably "The Catholics of New South Wales 1788-1820 & Their >> Families" by James Hugh Donohoe ISBN 0 7240 7974 2 >> >> Regards, >> Coralie >>

Hi Joy, I saw this book for sale the the State Records office in Kingswood. I can't remember how much, but you could call them and ask. Regards, Marina. On 19/03/2009, at 12:34 PM, <joyldean@bigpond.com> <joyldean@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Coralie > > Is this book available in the family history section of local > libraries or > only at the Mitchell Library? > > Joy > > >> Hi All, >> >> This book is probably "The Catholics of New South Wales 1788-1820 & >> Their >> Families" by James Hugh Donohoe ISBN 0 7240 7974 2 >> >> Regards, >> Coralie

Hi Coralie Is this book available in the family history section of local libraries or only at the Mitchell Library? Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coralie Hird" <cdhird@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library > Hi All, > > This book is probably "The Catholics of New South Wales 1788-1820 & Their > Families" by James Hugh Donohoe ISBN 0 7240 7974 2 > > Regards, > Coralie > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > margaretfarlow@optusnet.com.au > Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 11:43 AM > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11980 > http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11990 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/

--- On Wed, 18/3/09, margaretfarlow@optusnet.com.au <margaretfarlow@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > From: margaretfarlow@optusnet.com.au <margaretfarlow@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library > To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com > Received: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 12:43 AM > Hi all, > am away from home at present so can't check the detail > BUT before you reinvent the wheel check -- I'm fairly > sure there is a book published with some of his early > records ( just can't really the title at present. and an > interputation of these. > > Also you should read the introductory pages ( if i recall > correctly ) as it indicates because of the strict government > regulations ( which favoureded the Church of England) by > which he could marry, baptize etc -- some names in the > records may not have been people who actually existed in the > colony! > > Regards, > > Marg F > > > > > > > John Voytas <jvoytas@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > I have recently been trawling through these films at > the Mitchell > > Library and it would appear that there are at least > three separate sets > > of records. > > Many of these events will be found recorded in the > BDMs two and three > > times and then some not at all. This might be because > of > > misinterpretation of the hand writing. > > While searching through these records I have found the > names of > > witnesses, conflicting dates and in some cases with > the marriage records > > showing both parties were men!! I know that is not > possible for the > > 1820s onwards, so obviously mistakes have been made > recording all > > parties including the witnesses. > > Could it be possible for a group of researchers to > group together and > > collate all these films into one data base? > > What would be the copyright limits? Would we need to > obtain permission > > and who from? > > These records are now in the public domain but > extremely frustrating to > > use. > > Anyone prepared to participate? > > Cheers Suzanne Voytas > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox

Hi All My Irish convicts are Foster Anderson (Royal Admiral 1835) from Armagh married bounty immigrant Mary Nash (Duchess of Northumberland 1836) from County Cork. Sarah Anderson (Caroline 1833) from Armagh, Foster's mother. My partner's (whose birthday was St Patrick's Day) convicts are: Thomas McCormick (Guildford 2 1816) from Mullingar, West Meath Samuel Kingston (Hoogley 1825) from Bandon County Cork Lynne Central Coast NSW

Hi All, This book is probably "The Catholics of New South Wales 1788-1820 & Their Families" by James Hugh Donohoe ISBN 0 7240 7974 2 Regards, Coralie -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of margaretfarlow@optusnet.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 11:43 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Roman Catholic church records at the Mitchell Library Hi all, am away from home at present so can't check the detail BUT before you reinvent the wheel check -- I'm fairly sure there is a book published with some of his early records ( just can't really the title at present. and an interputation of these. Also you should read the introductory pages ( if i recall correctly ) as it indicates because of the strict government regulations ( which favoureded the Church of England) by which he could marry, baptize etc -- some names in the records may not have been people who actually existed in the colony! Regards, Marg F > John Voytas <jvoytas@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > I have recently been trawling through these films at the Mitchell > Library and it would appear that there are at least three separate sets > of records. > Many of these events will be found recorded in the BDMs two and three > times and then some not at all. This might be because of > misinterpretation of the hand writing.

Hi all, am away from home at present so can't check the detail BUT before you reinvent the wheel check -- I'm fairly sure there is a book published with some of his early records ( just can't really the title at present. and an interputation of these. Also you should read the introductory pages ( if i recall correctly ) as it indicates because of the strict government regulations ( which favoureded the Church of England) by which he could marry, baptize etc -- some names in the records may not have been people who actually existed in the colony! Regards, Marg F > John Voytas <jvoytas@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > I have recently been trawling through these films at the Mitchell > Library and it would appear that there are at least three separate sets > of records. > Many of these events will be found recorded in the BDMs two and three > times and then some not at all. This might be because of > misinterpretation of the hand writing. > While searching through these records I have found the names of > witnesses, conflicting dates and in some cases with the marriage records > showing both parties were men!! I know that is not possible for the > 1820s onwards, so obviously mistakes have been made recording all > parties including the witnesses. > Could it be possible for a group of researchers to group together and > collate all these films into one data base? > What would be the copyright limits? Would we need to obtain permission > and who from? > These records are now in the public domain but extremely frustrating to > use. > Anyone prepared to participate? > Cheers Suzanne Voytas > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley and Listers, Lesley we share Brittania and Parmelia but mine were English convicts - Margaret Fogarty (Brittania) and Edward Greaves (Parmelia). My Irish ancestors (Gauls) are free settlers to Port Macquarie in 1840 although another English ancestor (Wiliam Wilson - also Adam Gilchrist's ancestor) was superintendent of Convicts at Port Macquarie 1830 -1836. What a small world!!!!! Cheers, David Gaul.

Hello everyone, I have recently been trawling through these films at the Mitchell Library and it would appear that there are at least three separate sets of records. Many of these events will be found recorded in the BDMs two and three times and then some not at all. This might be because of misinterpretation of the hand writing. While searching through these records I have found the names of witnesses, conflicting dates and in some cases with the marriage records showing both parties were men!! I know that is not possible for the 1820s onwards, so obviously mistakes have been made recording all parties including the witnesses. Could it be possible for a group of researchers to group together and collate all these films into one data base? What would be the copyright limits? Would we need to obtain permission and who from? These records are now in the public domain but extremely frustrating to use. Anyone prepared to participate? Cheers Suzanne Voytas

Hi listers, Today I celebrate GG Grandfather-in law, John Grainger (Mangles 2) 1822. If it wasn't for this Irishman coming here, I wouldn't be sitting here typing this and I wouldn't have my family or this interest in genealogy. On another subject - trying to trace John's brother, Thomas. I found a ticket of leave for Thomas Grainger (Waterloo, 1838) from York ass. Ticket no. 46/113. I was wondering of anyone on the list has any info on this person at all. Family rumor was that Thomas was a mercenary and although Irish, could've been anywhere when put on a convict ship, if indeed a convict. Have a good St. Pat's! Regards, Marina.

Hello List & Happy St Patrick's Day My GGGgreat grandparents were Patrick TRAINER was tried in Down County Ireland & sentenced to transportation for life He arrived per "Marquis Cornwallis" 1796 Patrick lived with Mary CONNOR who was tried at Warwick Assizes & sentenced to 7 years transportation She arrived per "Sydney Cove" 1807 Arthur MARTIN was tried at the Assizes Dundalk Ireland and sentenced to death but this was commuted to transportation for life He also arrived per "Marquis Cornwallis" 1796 Patrick & Marys daughter Ann married Arthur & his wife Caroline's son Richard Cheerio, Gladys at Coogee

Hi List, Happy St Patricks Day My husband's great great great great gramdmother Jane Doyle nee Fletcher formerley a housekeeper, was tried in Dublin City in August 1815 for steeling a sheep and sentenced to seven years transportation. She was sent to the NSW Colony as a convict and arrived in Sydney on the 6th August 1817 on the convict ship "Canada" which sailed from Cork, Ireland on the 21st March 1817. On the 10th February Jane Doyle received payment in lieu of beef that was due to her during the voyage on the Canada. jane also had a child, Joh, travelling with her. Regards Marie Simpson