Hi Everyone, Those with a convict ancestor who arrived on "The Three Bees" in 1814 may be interested in an article in the Daily Telegraph Thursday 19 March 2009. As part of the Vivid Festival there will be a spectacular display recreating the fire and explosions on "The Three Bees" held near the Rocks on June 12, 13 and 14. Regards, Coralie Hird cdhird@optusnet.com.au Researching SULLIVAN, HEARNE, REILLY, ROSE, HOBBS, STUBBS from the HAWKESBURY RIVER NSW area.

Hi Valerie You asked if it were possible he *may* have been a convict given that he arrived *about* 40 years ago. Ordinarily I would say that the answer to this is Yes - he *could* have been a convict. As the information was given by his son we have no idea if this son actually knew the actual date (year) of arrival. Sometimes the information is requested at a stressful time and sometimes those asked really had no idea and others hid the facts because of a convict connection and fudged the dates. Convicts certainly arrived well after 1840 eg they arrived in 1841 and 1842 also and I think some others arrived between 1842 and when the exiles arrived in 1849. He is not the convict who arrived on the "Bengal Merchant" in 1838 as this fellow died in 1851. (Source: Convict Death Index by L. Uebel) Brent mentioned one who arrived on the Anna Maria in 1846 as an exile - these convicts went to Port Phillip (now Victoria). Convicts also arrived at other colonies and moved to PJ and cannot be discounted. There were 5 who arrived in PJ as George Mills three of whom arrived between 1820 and 1822 who can be immediately discounted because your George was probably born between 1815 - 1817. The other two arrived on the Bengal Merchant (4) in 1838 and the Lord Lyndoch (4) arrived also in 1838. As stated above the one who arrived on the Bengal Merchant died in 1851 and the one who arrived on the Lord Lyndoch married Mary Berry in 1844 with permission of the Governor. This one would have been free by 1846 So did your George arrive free or as a convict - I don't know regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of valerie.williams Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:34 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Was George Mills a PJ Convict? I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, aged 71 years. On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it states about 40 years in NSW. I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I correct ? Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information supplied was given by his son. It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any parents names given on the Death Certificate. I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect he was a convict. Valerie from Mollymook NSW

Hi Valerie, >From a search of the online SRNSW "Index to convict exiles, 1846-1850" [ http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=20] you might wish to consider the possibility that your George Mills was the exile transported on the 'Anna Maria' in 1846. Trial city was Knutsford (Cheshire) which isn't too far from his birthplace of Warwickshire. Regards, Brent ************* Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:33:40 +1100 From: "valerie.williams" <valerie.williams@internode.on.net> Subject: Re: [PJ] Was George Mills a PJ Convict? To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8586DCDE62EA4EA2AA09419166B45150@SN2605477050> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, aged 71 years. On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it states about 40 years in NSW. I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I correct ? Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information supplied was given by his son. It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any parents names given on the Death Certificate. I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect he was a convict. Valerie from Mollymook NSW ************

Hi Valerie "About 40 years in NSW" gives no indication of status. From that you cannot assume he was a convict. No convicts arrived in NSW from Nov 1840 to June 1849. During that time many free arrivals are not listed in any shipping record. There is a good chance you may never find his arrival details, but still keep looking. You may have to look at the newspapers of the time to check the shipping intelligence columns. Is there anything else that causes you to suspect he was a convict? You could check the burial records of the particular church just in case his parents are listed there - it does happen, especially in the 1880's. cheers Grahame On 21/03/2009, at 4:33 PM, valerie.williams wrote: > I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. > > My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown > NSW, aged 71 years. > > On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian > Colonies" it states about 40 years in NSW. > > I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I > correct ? > > Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all > information supplied was given by his son. > > It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are > not any parents names given on the Death Certificate. > > I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of > St. James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. > > At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I > suspect he was a convict. > > Valerie from Mollymook NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-PT- > JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valerie, I suggest you have a look at the NSW State Records website, especially the Ticket of Leave Passport section. http://srwww.records.nsw.gov..au/indexes/searchform.aspx Listed there (and this may be purely coincidental) is three Tickets of Leave Passports listed for George Mills of the Bengal Merchant 1838 - one on recommendation of the Port Macquarie Bench - and another on the application of Mr. Smith. Could that have been Mary Ann Smith's father? It may be worth further investigation. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "valerie.williams" <valerie.williams@internode.on.net> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Was George Mills a PJ Convict? >I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. > > My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, > aged 71 years. > > On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it > states about 40 years in NSW. > > I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I > correct ? > > Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information > supplied was given by his son. > > It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any > parents names given on the Death Certificate. > > I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. > James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. > > At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect > he was a convict. > > Valerie from Mollymook NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No. It just means that he arrived forty years ago. Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "valerie.williams" <valerie.williams@internode.on.net> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Was George Mills a PJ Convict? >I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. > > My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, > aged 71 years. > > On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it > states about 40 years in NSW. > > I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I > correct ? > > Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information > supplied was given by his son. > > It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any > parents names given on the Death Certificate. > > I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. > James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. > > At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect > he was a convict. > > Valerie from Mollymook NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if somebody might be able to help me please. My husbands ancestor was George Mills who died in 1886, at Newtown NSW, aged 71 years. On his Death Certificate where it asks "Time In Australian Colonies" it states about 40 years in NSW. I think this statement means that he may have been a convict. Am I correct ? Place of birth is listed as Warwickshire England and all information supplied was given by his son. It also states that his age at marriage was "about 35". There are not any parents names given on the Death Certificate. I have transcribed his marriage to Mary Ann Smith in the Parish of St. James by Licence on 22nd day of June in 1852. At this stage I am unable to find how he entered Australia and I suspect he was a convict. Valerie from Mollymook NSW

At 03:43 PM 21/03/2009, you wrote: Jenny Graham Lewis produced a detailed listing of musters and censuses, with dates and source references. http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/census.html It was done in the mid 1990s so possibly access and publications are partly out of date. Gary ========================== >Hello Listers > >I don't seem to find any month of the year when I Google >1828 census. I have the details that I need from the census >however I am trying to work out some time frames formy >convict and knowing when it was taken would be great. > >Many thanks for any replys >Jenny > _________________________________ Gary Luke ~ gary@feraltek.com.au Sydney, Australia

Hi Jenny It is was November 1828 although it does include some people who arrived within a couple of months of that date. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jenny T Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:44 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Date of 1828 Census Hello Listers I don't seem to find any month of the year when I Google 1828 census. I have the details that I need from the census however I am trying to work out some time frames formy convict and knowing when it was taken would be great. Many thanks for any replys Jenny

Sorry, I should have mentioned that although he lived at Wilberforce, he was actually buried in the Old Cemetery at Pitt Town - I have seen his gravestone, or at least the remaining two-thirds of it. Angus > > That's not really what I meant but it is a possibility although the actual > date > of death may not have been known. What I meant was that if the area was > flooded > then a burial may have been difficult and therefore delayed. > > regards > > > Lesley Uebel

Hi Angus That's not really what I meant but it is a possibility although the actual date of death may not have been known. What I meant was that if the area was flooded then a burial may have been difficult and therefore delayed. regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Angus Lang Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:29 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] Delayed burial, SLANEY Hi Lesley, Thanks for the good suggestion - I will explore that avenue. Going missing in flood waters may well result in some delay in finding the body. Regards, Angus

Thanks Elaine, what a tragic story - to survive the war and then die like that. I must admit I hadn't considered that he was eaten by wild pigs but it goes to show that anything is possible. Angus > Hi Angus > I have an ancestor like this, but in this case his remains were buried 3 > months later, and family story is the result of wild pigs.... came home > from > WW1, partied on the Balonne River with mates, went of to find a good > tree... > must have hurt him self in some way, and the pigs came in for dinner. > > Elaine

Hi Lesley, Thanks for the good suggestion - I will explore that avenue. Going missing in flood waters may well result in some delay in finding the body. Regards, Angus > > The district where he died was not affected by floods was it ?? > > > Regards > Lesley Uebel

Hi Angus The district where he died was not affected by floods was it ?? Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Angus Lang Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:06 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Delayed burial, SLANEY Hi all, According to his burial certificate, Edward SLANEY, farmer of Wilberforce, son of James SLANEY (Guildford 1816), died on 3rd December 1854 aged 32. However, he was not buried until 3rd February 1855 - some two months later! I have not been able to find any record of a Coroner's inquest or anything to explain the circumstances of his death or why it took two months to bury him (unless the dates on the certificate are incorrect). Any ideas would be appreciated. Angus

Hi all, According to his burial certificate, Edward SLANEY, farmer of Wilberforce, son of James SLANEY (Guildford 1816), died on 3rd December 1854 aged 32. However, he was not buried until 3rd February 1855 - some two months later! I have not been able to find any record of a Coroner's inquest or anything to explain the circumstances of his death or why it took two months to bury him (unless the dates on the certificate are incorrect). Any ideas would be appreciated. Angus

Hi Angus I have an ancestor like this, but in this case his remains were buried 3 months later, and family story is the result of wild pigs.... came home from WW1, partied on the Balonne River with mates, went of to find a good tree... must have hurt him self in some way, and the pigs came in for dinner. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angus Lang" <gustav@people.net.au> To: <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: [PJ] Delayed burial, SLANEY > Hi all, > According to his burial certificate, Edward SLANEY, farmer of Wilberforce, > son of James SLANEY (Guildford 1816), died on 3rd December 1854 aged 32. > However, he was not buried until 3rd February 1855 - some two months > later! > > I have not been able to find any record of a Coroner's inquest or anything > to explain the circumstances of his death or why it took two months to > bury him (unless the dates on the certificate are incorrect). > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Angus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers I don't seem to find any month of the year when I Google 1828 census. I have the details that I need from the census however I am trying to work out some time frames formy convict and knowing when it was taken would be great. Many thanks for any replys Jenny

I watched the end of it and it looked really good. it was about Bligh and McArthur so it was good that Leslie had already given us a lot of background on the two of them. sandra ----- Original Message -----

Hell Lyn, Our Edward Powell came on the " LADY JULIANA" also. Did your Bateman ancestors settle around Murrumbateman? Kath

Hello all, This is a 2 part documentary on early colonial years, starting in the 1790's. The first part was shown on Sunday, 15/3/09 - I missed it but my Simeon Lord cousins saw it and said they are looking forward to next Sunday's (22/3/09) show. Apparently Simeon had a small part last week, but apparently has a bigger part on Sunday. It will be on (SYDNEY TIME) at 7.30 pm (1930 hours) on Channel 2. The write up in my TV magazine for last Sunday says: "It's time to brush up on Australian history with this entertaining 2 part documentary about the early colonial years that shaped our nation. Historian host, Michael Cathcart, begins in the 1790's when Sydney was a fledgling colony, beset with problems. Enter William Bligh (John Wood) who comes in to sort the mess out and finds a town awash with alcohol, where rum is commonly used in place of currency. His attempts to restore sobriety to the colony leads to the Rum Rebellion of 1808, which Cathcart explains was more about property and power than potent liquor. History brought to life in an engaging manner." It got 1 more star than the review of this week's "Underbelly". Joan Nichols