Hi Arnie I transcribed the early Convicts Permissions to Marry (1810 - 1825) as well as those from 1826 to 1851. The is very little information provided in the 1810 to 1825 records apart from the names and transports (or other status in some cases) You will find that about 25% of those recorded on the State Records Col Sec Index are incorrect. I have included the correct information on my CD. The Indent for the Somersetshire states: Joseph Furness was tried at the York Assizes on 31st July 1813 and received a life sentence. He gave his native place as Yorkshire. He was a Brickmaker by trade and was about 20 years of age when he arrived. He was about 5 feet 6 & and half inches tall, very fair complexion, white hair and blue eyes. He was recommended for a Conditional Pardon in 1846 and the Indent does note a CP numbered 47/271. He is also listed as Hugh / Joseph on the recommendations for a CP. Certainly a very long time between arrival in 1814 and his CP in 1847 which leads me to think that he had a few problems. The 1828 NSW Census records him as being in gaol. You may find something in the newspapers of that time although I would think that you have checked those already? Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of fletch Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:39 PM To: AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Furnace Hi All, Is it possible to obtain the deatils for a permission to marry application for one Joseph FURNACE. The Col. Sec. Papers has the following : FURNESS, Joseph : Per ' Somersetshire " 1814 : 1817 Oct 6, 11 : Re permission to marry at Sydney; appears as FURNACE. The lady in question is one Mary Anne Richards. Also is it possible to obtain his details from his indent please. Thanks Arnie

Hi All >From journal of Eliza S Staff (aged 16yrs) grand-daughter of Sarah Whalley (Speedy 1800) and Samuel Sandal (Barwell 1798) "1847 December 7th The Town thrown into the greatest confusion by the unfortunate accident which has happened the Governor's Carriage. Poor Lady Mary so dreadfully hurt, she has not survived five minutes. The Gov' only stunned. Lieut. Masters not expected to survive the accident. This day's occurences remind us how uncertain are human events, and how prepared we should be, for in an hour when no man knoweth we may be summoned to the grave; and none can die happily but those who have a lively faith in Christ. Dec 8th Lieut. Master expired this day. Dec 9th Lady Mary Fitzroy and Mr Master have been interred tod-day both in the same vault. It is built close to Lady Bourke's. The late Lady Mary was 57 and Mr M. 27" Lynne Central Coast NSW

Hi Lesley & Listers , Thank you Lesley. He certainly was an interesting character wasn't he? Regards, Norma McLean normabmc@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <ckennedy@bigpond.net.au> To: "Aus-Pt-Jackson-Convicts@Rootsweb. Com" <aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: [PJ] Sir Charles Augustus Fitz Roy Part 2 > continued...... > > In the year 1850, a commission was given to Sir Charles Fitz Roy, whereby > he was > appointed Governor- General of the Australian colonies. By this > commission, he > was given extensive powers; but, it was neither intended nor desired that > he > should interfere with the administration of the governments of Tasmania, > Victoria, South Australia or West Australia in any matters affecting only > their > internal interests. The lieutenant-governors of the three former colonies > and

Hi Lesley Thank you for this....... never really thought too much about the later government of the country. A good reminder to round out all my info on the relevant times. :-) Especially those who came later to our wonderful country. Maria Let ninemsn property search for you. Need a new place to rent, share or buy? _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a fresh way to share photos? Get the new Windows Live Messenger. http://download.live.com/

Hi All, Is it possible to obtain the deatils for a permission to marry application for one Joseph FURNACE. The Col. Sec. Papers has the following : FURNESS, Joseph : Per ' Somersetshire " 1814 : 1817 Oct 6, 11 : Re permission to marry at Sydney; appears as FURNACE. The lady in question is one Mary Anne Richards. Also is it possible to obtain his details from his indent please. Thanks Arnie

Thank you Lesley, This is very interesting. Liz Lesley Uebel wrote: > Sir Charles Augustus Fitz Roy > > >

Thank you Lesley. Regards Jill J -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson- continued...... In the year 1850, a commission was given to Sir Charles Fitz Roy, whereby he was appointed Governor- General of the Australian colonies. By this commission, he was given extensive powers; but, it was neither intended nor desired that he should interfere with the administration of the governments of Tasmania, Victoria, South Australia or West Australia in any matters affecting only their internal interests. The lieutenant-governors of the three former colonies and the governor of the last were to administer as formerly; but, at the same time, they were instructed to communicate with Sir Charles Fitz Roy on all matters affecting the common welfare and prosperity, and, in the absence of express instructions from the secretary of state, to accept his decision on any matter which affected mere than one or the colonies. Sir Charles Fitz Roy was given this commission as governor of the largest and oldest colony, in order to initiate and foster all measures calculated to promote the interests of the Australian colonies collectively.

continued...... In the year 1850, a commission was given to Sir Charles Fitz Roy, whereby he was appointed Governor- General of the Australian colonies. By this commission, he was given extensive powers; but, it was neither intended nor desired that he should interfere with the administration of the governments of Tasmania, Victoria, South Australia or West Australia in any matters affecting only their internal interests. The lieutenant-governors of the three former colonies and the governor of the last were to administer as formerly; but, at the same time, they were instructed to communicate with Sir Charles Fitz Roy on all matters affecting the common welfare and prosperity, and, in the absence of express instructions from the secretary of state, to accept his decision on any matter which affected mere than one or the colonies. Sir Charles Fitz Roy was given this commission as governor of the largest and oldest colony, in order to initiate and foster all measures calculated to promote the interests of the Australian colonies collectively. By his commission, he was empowered, if necessity should arise, to visit any of the colonies, to assume the administration, and to retain it during the period of his residence therein. It is evident that the object of the British government was to prevent the conflict of interests amongst virtually independent but neighbouring colonies, and to lay the foundation of a semi-federal system. In the meantime, Sir Charles Fitz Roy's commission as Governor of North Australia was revoked in the year 1847. Sir Charles Fitz Roy retired from the government on the 17th of January 1855, and ten days later he embarked on the ship Madras for England. After his return to England, he was married to Margaret Gordon on the 11th of December 1855. He did not long survive his return, but died on the 16th of February 1858, in Clarges Street, Piccadilly, London. There has been no governor of New South Wales whose personal and moral character has been more discussed than that of Sir Charles Fitz Roy; and it is difficult, therefore, to estimate the value of his influence on the political, social and intellectual progress of the colony. All his contemporaries of any standing in the community criticize adversely his moral character and his unfortunate " undue partiality for the fair sex "; and, in doing so, many of them possibly have failed to recognise any influence, which he exerted in his official character. In his official capacity, Sir Charles Fitz Roy demonstrated a certain independence of action in the interpretation of instructions from the secretary of state, and for so doing he was severely censured by the secretary of state several times in the early part of his administration. On one occasion, however; he deviated* from his instructions owing to an informality of an order-in- council, and acted independently even of the advice of the attorney and solicitor-general; on this occasion, the secretary of state, Earl Grey, refused to reply officially to the despatch of Sir Charles Fitz Roy, but, in a private despatch, commended him for having "acted judiciously." During his administration, Sir Charles Fitz Roy endeavoured to become personally conversant with all the country under his jurisdiction; and, at great personal inconvenience, he undertook numerous visits of inspection in the country districts, and voyages along the coast to inspect coastal districts. He was the first governor to traverse the squatting districts, and to acquire a personal knowledge of the conditions of colonial pioneering in outlying areas. He was a fair and impartial administrator, and, he was never even charged with one act of harshness or partiality towards an individual. As the head of the executive, he was most industrious and painstaking; and it is said that no paper of importance passed through his office without his personal perusal and comments, when necessary. Unfortunately he belonged to a family, the members of which were notorious for their undue partiality for the fair sex. This failing had been commented on strongly by Junius in his eighty-seventh letter to the Duke of Grafton. It is undoubted that Sir Charles Fitz Roy and his two sons, who were with him in the colony, inherited the family failing to a marked degree. This was more exaggerated when all restraint was removed by the unfortunate death of Lady Mary Fitz Roy. His daughter, the Honorable Mrs. Keith Stewart, who acted as chatelaine at government house after her mother's death, had little influence over the conduct of her father and brothers, and many scandals were whispered in the colony. The feeling engendered in the colony may be realised by the action taken in the legislative council. On the 1st of December 1854, an address of farewell was moved. The Reverend John Dunmore Lang, thereupon, submitted an amendment that it was the deliberate opinion of the council " That the moral influence, which has emanated from Government House during His Excellency's term of office, has been deleterious and baneful in the highest degree to the best interests of this community; and that the evil example, which has thus been set in the highest places of the land, has tended more than anything else that has occurred in this colony these thirty years past to bring Her Majesty's Government into contempt, and to alienate from Her Majesty the affections and respect of the Australian people." This amendment was defeated by twenty-eight votes to six; but the minority consisted of the mover, Charles Cowper and Henry Parkes, who were destined to become premiers of the colony, Robert Campbell and Edward Flood, who were destined to become ministers of the Crown, and J. W. Bligh, a magistrate of the territory. When such prominent colonists were prepared to publicly express their opinions in such unmeasured terms, it is evident that there was strong feeling against the personal failings of Sir Charles Fitz Roy and his sons amongst certain sections of the community. It is probable that the industry and impartiality as head of the executive and the administrative ability generally of Sir Charles Fitz Roy exercised some influence on the progress of the colony during his administration; bur his personal character militated against this influence being felt to the full extent. It must be remembered, at the same time, that, during this administration, the agitation against the revival of transportation, the strenuous fight for responsible government, and the excitement caused by the discovery of gold clouded most other issues, and prevented their valuation in their due proportions. . Author Frederick Watson HRA Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

Sir Charles Augustus Fitz Roy Sir Charles Augustus Fitz Roy was the tenth governor of New South Wales. He arrived in the colony on the 2nd of August 1846, and took the oaths of office on the following day. He administered the government, first, as governor-in-chief and captain-general, and, secondly as governor-general, until the 27th of January 1855. During his administration, the colony passed through an extraordinary period of progress; the district of Port Phillip was separated and erected into an independent colony under the name of Victoria; in the year 1853, the constitution act was passed by the legislative council, and, in the year 1855, was confirmed with slight amendment by the British parliament, and by this act the colony was granted the principle of responsible government; the protest of the colonists against the revival of transportation of convicts was recognised finally by the British government; the squatting problem was reduced to an ordered system; railways were introduced; a steam postal service was inaugurated between the colony and Great Britain; the practical discovery of gold with the consequent enormous influx of population changed the prospects of the colony; the establishment of a branch of the royal mint with an Australian gold coinage was initiated; the building of the exchange and the construction of the Fitzroy dock were commenced; and the university of Sydney was founded. The influence of Sir Charles Fitz Roy on this great political, social and intellectual progress will be noted in detail in the introductions to succeeding volumes. In this introduction, it is necessary to consider the man and to note the salient features of his life. Charles Augustus Fitz Roy was the son of General Lord Charles Fitz Roy, who was the second son of the third Duke of Grafton. He was born on the 10th of May 1796. At the age of sixteen years, he entered the army and obtained a commission as lieutenant in the royal regiment of Horse guards on the 16th of October 1812. He was present at the battle of Waterloo on the staff of Sir Hussey Vivian. On the 11th of March 1820, he was married to Lady Mary Lennox, the eldest daughter of the fourth Duke of Richmond; and his career was largely affected by the family influence of two ducal houses. On the 27th of April 1820, he obtained his commission as Captain in the Horse guards; but, on the 23rd of June 1825, he was placed on the half-pay list; On the 20th of October 1825, he was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel, and was appointed Deputy Adjutant-General at the Cape of Good Hope. After service at the Cape, he returned to England, and, in the year 1831, he was elected to the House of Commons as member for Bury St. Edmunds. In this parliament, the Reform bill was passed, for which Fitz Roy voted. He did not, however, seek re-election, and therefore did not sit in the reformed parliament, and, in the year 1833, he retired from the army. In the year 1837, he was knighted and appointed Lieutenant-Governor of Prince Edward Island. In the year 1841, he was appointed Governor and Commander-in-Chief of the Leeward Islands. During these administrations, he won great favour by his conciliatory demeanour. He administered the government of the Leeward Islands until the year 1845, when he was selected to succeed Sir George Gipps in the government of New South Wales. He was given two commissions, dated 20th and 21st February 1846, respectively, the first as Captain- General and Governor-in-Chief of the territory of New South Wales, and the second as Governor and Commander-in-Chief over the colony of North Australia, a new colony created by letters patent, dated 17th February 1846, north of the twenty-sixth parallel of south latitude. The effect of the two commissions was to give to Sir Charles Fitz Roy the same territorial jurisdiction as held by his predecessors. Accompanied by Lady Mary Fitz Roy and his son George as private secretary, he sailed for the colony in H.M. ship Carysfort, and arrived in Port Jackson on the 2nd of August 1846. He landed on the following day, took the oaths of office and assumed the administration. A second son and a daughter, the Hon. Mrs. Keith Stewart, afterwards came to the colony. Within eighteen months of his arrival, Lady Mary Fitz Roy was killed. On the 7th of December 1847, Sir Charles Fitz Roy, driving four horses, with Lieutenant C. C. Masters beside him on the box and Lady Mary in the carriage, left the government house at Parramatta to proceed to Sydney. The horses almost immediately bolted, and, near the entrance to the domain, the occupants were thrown from the carriage. Lady Mary sustained a fracture of the base of the skull, and died shortly after being carried back on a sofa to the government house; C. C. Masters died about nine hours later; whilst Sir Charles Fitz Roy escaped with a severe injury to the knee. As will be noted later, this accident had great influence on Sir Charles Fitz Roy's future career as Governor. Continued......... Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html

Hi Jenny, A billiard markeis a person that sets the balls on a billiard table during a professional game of billiards. Essentially he/she is the umpire for the game and calls the score not necessarily alters the scoreboard. He is the one wearing the white glove that retables the ball after it is hit into a pocket. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny T" <jennygirl@unwired.com.au> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: [PJ] What is a Billard Marker > Hello Listers > > My convict Daniel Canvin had a son John who was recorded > on his death certificate in 1882 occupation a Billard Marker. > What sort of profession is this and how much would you be > paid? He was a butcher in Braidwood when he married in 1860. > > Hope you can help and thanks > Jenny > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jenny, Out of curiosity I looked for Billard Marker in Google. The immediate Google suggestion was to correct the spelling to Billiard Marker and then it suggested a number of explanations: One definition for a Billiard Marker I have is: A Billiard Marker keeps scores made by players and indicates them on a scoring board. In public billiard halls his duties also entail things such as allocating tables, cues, chalk, and sometimes refreshment too. He coaches learners, plays with patrons and collects fees for use of the tables. Noun 1. billiard marker - a device for keeping the score in a game of billiards. Maybe this is what your forebear was doing. Have a look at Google, there is a lot there. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny T" <jennygirl@unwired.com.au> To: <AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: [PJ] What is a Billard Marker > Hello Listers > > My convict Daniel Canvin had a son John who was recorded > on his death certificate in 1882 occupation a Billard Marker. > What sort of profession is this and how much would you be > paid? He was a butcher in Braidwood when he married in 1860. > > Hope you can help and thanks > Jenny > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Note that "Billard" is the French spelling of "Billiard". Stan -----Original Message----- Ross Sneddon wrote: One definition for a Billiard Marker I have is: A Billiard Marker keeps scores made by players and indicates them on a scoring board. In public billiard halls his duties also entail things such as allocating tables, cues, chalk, and sometimes refreshment too. He coaches learners, plays with patrons and collects fees for use of the tables. Noun 1. billiard marker - a device for keeping the score in a game of billiards.

Hello Listers My convict Daniel Canvin had a son John who was recorded on his death certificate in 1882 occupation a Billard Marker. What sort of profession is this and how much would you be paid? He was a butcher in Braidwood when he married in 1860. Hope you can help and thanks Jenny

Lynette, I spent 23yrs in the Aust Army and never came across these initials, and believe me there were lots of them used. I googeld "Honourable Member of Assembly". and came up with some refs to HML so I suggest you have a look at some of the results there. Keith D. -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynette Twist Sent: Monday, 30 March 2009 4:17 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] HMA

Dear List, I have Mary Ann PURCELL (aka Catherine BYRNE-Minerva 1839)). Married Charles BIGGS. On her death certificate it has Thomas PURCELL-H.M.A., as her father. Does anyone know what the HMA stands for? One explanation given to me is: "Honourable Member of Assembly". Is it a Military initial? Have not found Thomas Purcell, although I must admit I have not done a thorough search. Regards, Lynette

Thank you Lesley and Grahame for your replies to my recent query regarding Thomas Blake. I apologise for taking so long to thank you both - my server has had problems. The fiche at my local library is quite marked at just the point I most wanted to read. I had hoped that the information re crimes committed would be included on the Indents in 1820. Thank you for your suggestion Grahame, I had sent emails to the 2 persons who had claimed Thomas Blake on Lesley's Claim a Convict site, the one who replied thought his crime might have been Burglary but did not mention the source. Regards, Marje

Hi Lesley, Thank you for that information. I've often privately wondering at the reason for that name. Regards, Coralie -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2009 7:36 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: [PJ] Three Bees Hi Lynne Many years ago I started a thread about the names of convicts transports and why they were given the names. I don't think the Three Bees was mentioned at the time but I think it may have been after the shipbuilders/owners Buckle, Bagster & Buckle Regards Lesley Uebel

Hi Lynne Many years ago I started a thread about the names of convicts transports and why they were given the names. I don't think the Three Bees was mentioned at the time but I think it may have been after the shipbuilders/owners Buckle, Bagster & Buckle Regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lynne Kokshoorn Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:07 AM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 121 Hi Lesley My personal belief is that it was possibly a younger person I had also noted that Andrew Callahang was around 30 and also I think he had alredy left the ship around the 11th I think.. It matters neither way to me. Candles and fires in those days were quite a danger ....

Hi Lesley My personal belief is that it was possibly a younger person I had also noted that Andrew Callahang was around 30 and also I think he had alredy left the ship around the 11th I think.. It matters neither way to me. Candles and fires in those days were quite a danger .... It doesnt feel a long way to travel its not really a long flight and I find Sydney fascinating and its an opportunity that will not come again....How nice to be there it would be lovely to stand with the other descendants of the convicts on that ship... I am not totally sure that I will get there but I will see what I can do and my brother is interested also. cheers Lynne nz > > Hi Lynne > > The Sydney Gazette does have an article about the fire > 21 May 1814 on page 2 > > I don't know if it was your Andrew who did start the fire as there were a > few > Tailors on board including one who was 18 years of age....... compared > with > Andrew at approx. 30 years of age > > It is a long way for you to travel for a re-enactment - but an excellent > excuse > to travel to Sydney :) > > regards > > Lesley Uebel > mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au > CLAIM A CONVICT > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html > > >

Hi Kath I really am not aware of the book that you remember seeing at the State Records many years ago. The information I transcribed 9 years ago was the Convict Deaths from 1828 to 1879 and that is only available as part of the Port Jackson Convicts Anthology CD that contains a heap of other transcriptions. It contains the deaths of the convicts reported by the various Clergy, Masters, hospitals, Government Departments, gaols etc in PJ, Port Phillip, Norfolk Island, Moreton Bay etc although not every serving convicts death is included because they were not reported. Many of the convicts noted in this index are not included in the death section of the BDMs. Some of the people listed were not serving convicts; - some were the children of convicts or ex-convicts as some e.g. Rev. Samuel Marsden, tarred them all with the same brush. In many instances the reason for death is noted eg Aaron Ashman per Camden (2) died in the bath from excessive intoxication Samuel Batley per York I (2) was killed by lightening Henry Beard per America (1) was executed Mary Buckner per Surrey I (1) Accidentally by disease of the head regards Lesley Uebel mailto:ckennedy@bigpond.net.au CLAIM A CONVICT http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/index.html -----Original Message----- From: aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-pt-jackson-convicts-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kath Connors Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:59 PM To: aus-pt-jackson-convicts@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PJ] convicts death register Thanks Lesley for your help. All I remember going into Globe St to re check and the records had gone to Kingswood when it first opened, is it possible for one to purchase a copy be it C. D. etc, I recall Perry M,Intyre transcribing long ago. Regards Kath.