Hi Lesley, Many thanks for the explanation. I had noticed it, but as there weren't any emails from anyone else I thought it may be something wrong I was doing. It will make a huge difference when searching for names with various spellings or if we are uncertain of the spelling. Regards, Coralie [email protected] Researching SULLIVAN, HEARNE, REILLY, ROSE, HOBBS, STUBBS from the HAWKESBURY RIVER NSW area. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 20 May 2011 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] NSW BDMs Hi all, Recently the NSW BDMs decided that the use of the wildcard * was too much for their servers and was causing an overload. They still allow the wildcard ? in place of one character, but not the * in place of many characters. Such a shame Regards Lesley Uebel

Hi all, Recently the NSW BDMs decided that the use of the wildcard * was too much for their servers and was causing an overload. They still allow the wildcard ? in place of one character, but not the * in place of many characters. Such a shame Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected]

Hi Dianna You cannot really go anywhere until you find which George Smith it was. You have already stated that his death certificate only mentions being born in England and his parents are not listed. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 20/05/2011 9:43 AM, dianna charles wrote: > HI Everyone > Now my question is re George Smith, how can I find out more details on > him to trace him to his origins. Where do I go from this little bit of > information on his marriage record as to being 35, living in Goulburn and > Free by S. Many thanks for any suggestions. Kind regards Dianna >

Thanks Lesley, at least it fills in a few years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Convict - John Hobart 'Exmouth' 1831 > Hi Julie > > That rang a bell and on checking the PJ Convicts archives another lister > was asking about one of the convicts. I did, at the time, find that > these men were sent to Norfolk Island. > > He obviously was back in PJ in 1846 as that is when he received a TOL > > regards > > Lesley Uebel

Hi Julie That rang a bell and on checking the PJ Convicts archives another lister was asking about one of the convicts. I did, at the time, find that these men were sent to Norfolk Island. He obviously was back in PJ in 1846 as that is when he received a TOL regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 20/05/2011 3:38 PM, Julie Webb wrote: > Dear Lesley and all > > Have been looking into this convict for a friend of mine and wondering if anyone is connected or has any further information. > John Hobart was sentenced to death for breaking and entering but this was commuted to life with transportation. He arrived in 1831 on the'Exmouth' age 25 and was assigned to Wm Wentworth at Vaucluse House. Apparently in 1835 he and 7 other convicts stole Wentworths schooner 'Alice' and made it Port Macquarie before the law caught up with them. > I could not find out what happened to him at that point or for the next 18 yrs but find him again, I believe married to Elizabeth Avery in 1853 in Sydney. I would appreciate any information from anyone who can point me in the right direction to fill in the gap, or correct me if I am on the wrong track, thanks > > Kind Regards > > Julie Webb > Gold Coast > >

Dear Lesley and all Have been looking into this convict for a friend of mine and wondering if anyone is connected or has any further information. John Hobart was sentenced to death for breaking and entering but this was commuted to life with transportation. He arrived in 1831 on the'Exmouth' age 25 and was assigned to Wm Wentworth at Vaucluse House. Apparently in 1835 he and 7 other convicts stole Wentworths schooner 'Alice' and made it Port Macquarie before the law caught up with them. I could not find out what happened to him at that point or for the next 18 yrs but find him again, I believe married to Elizabeth Avery in 1853 in Sydney. I would appreciate any information from anyone who can point me in the right direction to fill in the gap, or correct me if I am on the wrong track, thanks Kind Regards Julie Webb Gold Coast

Dear Lesley and all Have been looking into this convict for a friend of mine and wondering if anyone is connected or has any further information. John Hobart was sentenced to death for breaking and entering but this was commuted to life with transportation. He arrived in 1831 on the'Exmouth' age 25 and was assigned to Wm Wentworth at Vaucluse House. Apparently in 1835 he and 7 other convicts stole Wentworths schooner 'Alice' and made it Port Macquarie before the law caught up with them. I could not find out what happened to him at that point or for the next 18 yrs but find him again, I believe married to Elizabeth Avery in 1853 in Sydney. I would appreciate any information from anyone who can point me in the right direction to fill in the gap, or correct me if I am on the wrong track, thanks Kind Regards Julie Webb Gold Coast

Hi Anne Elizabeth Broughton came to Australia as a bounty immigrant on the Layton in 1833 married at 21 to George Smith, they were living in the Yass area for some time I believe. Elizabeth S. Smith ( nee Broughton) died in 1867 in Dalton (NSW) aged 49, born in London fathers name Elijah F. Boughton (sic) 7 Males and 2 Females living 3 children deceased. George Smith died 3 Oct 1871 in Jerrawa creek district of Yass NSW born England age 64, spouse Elizabeth formerly BONTON buried in Wesleyan Cemetery in Dalton. So there is very little to help me here I'm afraid as the death certificates are notoriously inaccurate, so I'm not really sure how to proceed with George Smith's origins. I've gone back quite a few generations with Elizabeth Broughton/Bowden/Boughton so that's good. Many thanks Dianna

Hi Dianna, Sorry if I've miss it, but what do have on Elizabeth Broughton? Was she a convict or born in the colony? How old was she at her marriage? I only ask because when I'm stuck I like to look at all the people involved because sometimes you can get clues that way. There is a Broughton family in the Musters, children of the widow Eliza Broughton and living in Appin. A son William Broughton is farming on the Goulburn Plains in 1828. There is also a daughter Elizabeth, but she was 17 in 1825 so could be a bit old to be your Elizabeth. bye Anne -----Original Message----- From: dianna charles Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Free by Servitude HI Everyone Now my question is re George Smith, how can I find out more details on him to trace him to his origins. Where do I go from this little bit of information on his marriage record as to being 35, living in Goulburn and Free by S. Many thanks for any suggestions. Kind regards Dianna ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dianna You could contact the Goulburn Historical Society (I am assuming there is one) In the book Monumental Inscriptions - Goulburn, there are two entries of interest. St Saviour's Cemetery Smith Isabella, born 19 Sept 1820 at Meerut, East Indies, died 11 Aug 1885 at Oak Farm, Goulburn, also her husband George Smith, died 29 Jan 1889 aged 72 years Goulburn General Cemetery Smith, George ......... died ........... aged .7 years, native of London, England - Footstone G S 1868 (in otherwords difficult to read) cheers Grahame On 20/05/2011, at 9:43 AM, dianna charles wrote: > HI Everyone > Now my question is re George Smith, how can I find out more details on > him to trace him to his origins. Where do I go from this little bit of > information on his marriage record as to being 35, living in Goulburn and > Free by S. Many thanks for any suggestions. Kind regards Dianna > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Everyone Now my question is re George Smith, how can I find out more details on him to trace him to his origins. Where do I go from this little bit of information on his marriage record as to being 35, living in Goulburn and Free by S. Many thanks for any suggestions. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Lesley Thank you for confirming he had served his time and should have been entitle to a certificate of freedom. Karen

Hi Karen The date he was convicted was the date used - not when they arrived in PJ. Any delay in issuing Certificates of Freedom may have been from either side. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 19/05/2011 8:57 PM, Karen Hodges wrote: > With regards to the end of a sentence and a convict being given a > certificate of freedom:- > > Did the sentence time begin from when they were arrested, sentenced or when > they arrived in Australia please? > > Was there a process, that could involve delays with the certificate being > issued? > > Michael Noy aged 14 year, was sentenced on 15 April 1833 to 14 years = 1847, > he arrived on 14 Feb 1834 and died 23 September 1847 and was buried on 25th. > He received a ticket of leave 18 July 1841, I found no certificate of > freedom.The burial states his profession was labourer, ship Fairlie; [it > seems he was still considered a convict]. > > Karen >

With regards to the end of a sentence and a convict being given a certificate of freedom:- Did the sentence time begin from when they were arrested, sentenced or when they arrived in Australia please? Was there a process, that could involve delays with the certificate being issued? Michael Noy aged 14 year, was sentenced on 15 April 1833 to 14 years = 1847, he arrived on 14 Feb 1834 and died 23 September 1847 and was buried on 25th. He received a ticket of leave 18 July 1841, I found no certificate of freedom.The burial states his profession was labourer, ship Fairlie; [it seems he was still considered a convict]. Karen

Lesley wrote: <<As they married in 1837, then it could not be a "marriage certificate" but a church record of the marriage. Have you actually sighted this record?  The reason I ask is that I have never seen one with the words "freed by servitude" included on it. That does not mean that it is not possible..... it is just that I have not seen one. The use of the word "Freed" concerns me as usually the term used on some records was "Free by servitude">>   I have a transcript of an 1841 church record marriage [done by Marilyn Rowan, transcription agent] and it states 'F by S' after widow and widower for both the bride and groom, so this term was used for some church marriage records.   Hope that helps.   Jenny W [Brisbane]

Hi Lesley Yes you are correct it is of course a church record, this was sent to me by the Berrima Historical Society. Dianna, Sorry for the delay; checked our Sutton Forest church records and found George SMITH/Elizabeth BROUGHTON marriage, yes, they were married on the thirtieth of January 1837. Both signed by their mark (X) they were both from Goulburn. In the upper right hand corner of the m. certificate, above George's name is a notation - "FREED BY SERVITUDE", so yes, he was a convict. As for the person who stated he had his TOL I haven't heard from them even though I've contacted them a couple of times, but when I contact them again I will ask about the with permission of the Governor. Yes as you say it could be any George Smith who came to NSW couldn't it, such an awful name to research. Many thanks Dianna

Hi Dianna As they married in 1837, then it could not be a "marriage certificate" but a church record of the marriage. Have you actually sighted this record? The reason I ask is that I have never seen one with the words "freed by servitude" included on it. That does not mean that it is not possible..... it is just that I have not seen one. The use of the word "Freed" concerns me as usually the term used on some records was "Free by servitude" A little while ago you did state that a friend or cousin stated that he was in receipt of a TOL - but could you ask her if it included the words (or similar) "with permission of the Governor" There are quite a number of convicts who could fit - ging back to those who arrived in the early 1820s regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 16/05/2011 5:12 PM, dianna charles wrote: > Hi Lesley > I have found out a little more on George SMITH. I have the details on > his marriage to Elizabeth Broughton on the 30th of Jan 1837, in the upper > right hand corner of the certificate above Georges name is says' "Freed by > Servitude" so now I know he was a convict. > > I'm trying to match any details to the George Smith who came here on > the Lady Harwood/Haywood in 1830 Do you have anything re this George on your > Data Base. Kind regards Dianna >

HI Lesley Thanks very much for that well if he was 35 when he married in 1837 he couldn't be 21 years of age on arrival in 1831could he, yes I realised my mistake stating that the Lady H arrived in 1830. At least now I know that the George Smith who married Elizabeth Broughton was a convict as it states on his marriage that he was Freed by Servitude. So now will have to sift through all the George Smith's again to find a match. Thanks for your help much appreciated. Regards Dianna

Hi Dianna The Lady Harewood arrived in 1831 and not 1830, although it did leave England in October 1830. Part of the Indent for the Lady Harewood states that he was about 21 years of age on arrival. He had been single and a Protestant and could read and write. It also states that he was a native of Oxford and had been a Groom. The Indent gives no indication that he ever received a Ticket of Leave Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 16/05/2011 5:12 PM, dianna charles wrote: > Hi Lesley > I have found out a little more on George SMITH. I have the details on > his marriage to Elizabeth Broughton on the 30th of Jan 1837, in the upper > right hand corner of the certificate above Georges name is says' "Freed by > Servitude" so now I know he was a convict. > > I'm trying to match any details to the George Smith who came here on > the Lady Harwood/Haywood in 1830 Do you have anything re this George on your > Data Base. Kind regards Dianna >

Hi Lesley I have found out a little more on George SMITH. I have the details on his marriage to Elizabeth Broughton on the 30th of Jan 1837, in the upper right hand corner of the certificate above Georges name is says' "Freed by Servitude" so now I know he was a convict. I'm trying to match any details to the George Smith who came here on the Lady Harwood/Haywood in 1830 Do you have anything re this George on your Data Base. Kind regards Dianna