Hi Lina >From the Colonial Secretary Index the following is recorded: COMER, James. Per "Indian", 1810 1818 Sep 17,24 Re permission to marry at Castlereagh (Reel 6006; 4/3499 p.74) 1820 May 24 Of Evan. Memorial of his wife Ann (Fiche 3016; 4/1823 No.143) 1821 Aug 5 Memorial (Fiche 3035; 4/1826 No.26) 1821 Sep 22 On list of persons to receive grants of land in 1821 (Fiche 3266; 9/2652 pp.66, 71) 1824 Sep; 1825 Jun 21 Memorial (Fiche 3083; 4/1836B No.211 pp.937-9). Reply, 30 Jun (Reel 6014; 4/3514 p.559) 1825 Jan 4 Memorial (Fiche 3125; 4/1841A No.154 p.9). Reply [as Conner], 14 Apr (Reel 6014; 4/3514 p.76) Unfortunately there is no mention of who he was assigned to- hope it helps anyway Geoff Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:01 PM Subject: [PJ] who were they assigned to? > Hi Lesley > > I am back on the list again. Hope this finds you well and enjoying life. I > presume you are still battling on helping everyone with their convict > ancestors. Its marvellous what you've done over the years - I spose we > should thank your family too!! > > Have you compiled a CD yet detailing who the convicts were assigned to? > that might make you > groan but you have produced some magic in the past > > I'm trying to fluff out the story of James Comer / COOMER who came on the > INDIAN 1810 > aged 16 convicted at Wiltshire Assizes 12 July 1808. I was told (from a > forgotten source) that he was assigned to someone at Parramatta when he > arrived. I cant get to Sydney unfortunately being up here in the sticks at > Molong and a carer as well - is there anything > online please? > > kind regards > Lina Moffitt > > > > http://www.quintopublishing.com > http://www.indigohealthla.com > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley I am back on the list again. Hope this finds you well and enjoying life. I presume you are still battling on helping everyone with their convict ancestors. Its marvellous what you've done over the years - I spose we should thank your family too!! Have you compiled a CD yet detailing who the convicts were assigned to? that might make you groan but you have produced some magic in the past I'm trying to fluff out the story of James Comer / COOMER who came on the INDIAN 1810 aged 16 convicted at Wiltshire Assizes 12 July 1808. I was told (from a forgotten source) that he was assigned to someone at Parramatta when he arrived. I cant get to Sydney unfortunately being up here in the sticks at Molong and a carer as well - is there anything online please? kind regards Lina Moffitt http://www.quintopublishing.com http://www.indigohealthla.com

Hello Suzanne Very interesting and maybe the reason for another variation of the mothers maiden name by subsequent generations. Perhaps you could advise the date of of the children of Sally/Sara and James Montgomery which may give me a further "inspiration" in this trek. Most appreciative of your information and would be interested in reading your finished research for "your ladies". It is funny that when I reflect upon my initial post that there are so many other things that I should have covered but, I hope, this in natural on this site and I will address later. Best wishes Geoff Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Voytas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:01 PM Subject: [PJ] John McCrumb/Sally Donnelly > Hello Geoff, > > John McCrumb married one of my ladies, Sally Donnelly, from the ship > Elizabeth, which arrived on the 12th January 1828. > He arrived per Martha in 1818 and applied to marry Sally in May 1828 aged > 44 years, free by servitude. > Sally's was one of the earliest marriages of the women from the Elizabeth. > I have only found the child James McCrumb who was 36 hours old when he > died, that may have been their child. > I have details of children baptised to a couple Sally/Sarah Donnelly and > James Montgomery.(Patrick, Anne and Sarah) > Again have not found a death for John McCrumb. > As with the early church registers there are many events that may have not > been recorded, the registers are missing, a religious difference, > registered under another name or incorrectly transcribed. > I have researched all the women of the Elizabeth, published the results so > far and still researching my ladies > Suzanne Voytas > > > > On 10/06/2011 6:29 PM, Geoff Collins wrote: >> I am trying to determine the fate of the above convict who, I believe, >> maybe my great great grandfather. Have determined that he was in the >> employ of William Mason in 1823 , married another convict Sally Donnelly >> at Cof E Richmond on 26/5/1828 by Rev Elijah Smith. From this point on I >> have no further information but , again, believe that they had a child, >> Mary Ann McCrumb, who married a Charles Chuck in 1847 and after this >> married my great grandfather Samuel Collins after the death of Charles in >> 1854 at Camperdown. No records of their union but children have variation >> of surname from McCrum, McCrumb, Chuck, Montgomery . There is a record of >> a James McCrumb who died as a baby. Hope someone has some information on >> this >> >> >> Geoff Collins >> > > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Geoff, John McCrumb married one of my ladies, Sally Donnelly, from the ship Elizabeth, which arrived on the 12th January 1828. He arrived per Martha in 1818 and applied to marry Sally in May 1828 aged 44 years, free by servitude. Sally's was one of the earliest marriages of the women from the Elizabeth. I have only found the child James McCrumb who was 36 hours old when he died, that may have been their child. I have details of children baptised to a couple Sally/Sarah Donnelly and James Montgomery.(Patrick, Anne and Sarah) Again have not found a death for John McCrumb. As with the early church registers there are many events that may have not been recorded, the registers are missing, a religious difference, registered under another name or incorrectly transcribed. I have researched all the women of the Elizabeth, published the results so far and still researching my ladies Suzanne Voytas On 10/06/2011 6:29 PM, Geoff Collins wrote: > I am trying to determine the fate of the above convict who, I believe, maybe my great great grandfather. Have determined that he was in the employ of William Mason in 1823 , married another convict Sally Donnelly at Cof E Richmond on 26/5/1828 by Rev Elijah Smith. From this point on I have no further information but , again, believe that they had a child, Mary Ann McCrumb, who married a Charles Chuck in 1847 and after this married my great grandfather Samuel Collins after the death of Charles in 1854 at Camperdown. No records of their union but children have variation of surname from McCrum, McCrumb, Chuck, Montgomery . There is a record of a James McCrumb who died as a baby. Hope someone has some information on this > > > Geoff Collins >

Thanks very much for your replies Lesley and Grahame Kind regards Helen On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Grahame Thom <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Helen > > Perhaps looking at the Hindostan's surgeon's journal may help resolve this.  The journal is in the form of a diary and there is a list, perhaps limited to those who received treatment.  Its on AJCP reel 3197 - Admiralty Class 101, piece 34 - 6th ship in this piece. > > cheers > > Grahame > >> >> A John Hughes convicted 10 Mar 1821 at Worcester Assizes, for Life, >> was the only Hughes listed on the convict transportation register for >> the "Hindostan" which arrived at Port Jackson on 24 Nov 1821 (one of >> 152 males). >> >> My query is that there are several entries which appear to relate to >> the same person in the printed book titled General Muster and Land and >> Stock Muster of New South Wales 1822: >> A10696 Hughes, George, C Hindostan Life Clearing Party – Mr Lowe Liverpool >> A10710 Hughes, John C Hindostan Life Govt Blacksmith Sydney >> A10711 Hughes, John C Hindostan 7  Blacksmith Lumber Yard Sydney >> > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi I'm doing research into Michael Byrne who arrived in 1800 on board the Minerva age 24 from Kildare. I'm trying to find out to whom this Michael Byrne was married, I have looked at the Colonial Secretaries index and could see nothing re his permission to marry (perhaps already married??) He was sent off the Norfolk Island at some stage and returned ??. Michael had twin sons born in West Bargo NSW on the 4th of October 1807 ie William and Michael (still looking for verification though). Michael died in 1827 and left a will where his wife is mentioned but not by name. Can anyone tell me how to find some more details on this particular Michael Byrne please. Any help much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Helen Perhaps looking at the Hindostan's surgeon's journal may help resolve this. The journal is in the form of a diary and there is a list, perhaps limited to those who received treatment. Its on AJCP reel 3197 - Admiralty Class 101, piece 34 - 6th ship in this piece. cheers Grahame > > A John Hughes convicted 10 Mar 1821 at Worcester Assizes, for Life, > was the only Hughes listed on the convict transportation register for > the "Hindostan" which arrived at Port Jackson on 24 Nov 1821 (one of > 152 males). > > My query is that there are several entries which appear to relate to > the same person in the printed book titled General Muster and Land and > Stock Muster of New South Wales 1822: > A10696 Hughes, George, C Hindostan Life Clearing Party – Mr Lowe Liverpool > A10710 Hughes, John C Hindostan Life Govt Blacksmith Sydney > A10711 Hughes, John C Hindostan 7 Blacksmith Lumber Yard Sydney >

Hi Helen There was only one Hughes on the Hindostan and that was John. The Musters were not taken on the one day - therefore you will find some double-ups. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 12/06/2011 2:35 PM, Helen Thompson wrote: > Hi everyone > > I have been researching convicts with the name George Hughes in the > colony of NSW around the time period 1828-1836 (looking for an > elusive ancestor). I am looking at about 12 possible George Hughes at > the moment, and am particularly interested in any George Hughes who > had anything to do with sawmilling, tree cutting, timber yard work, > etc. > > One anomaly caught my attention in the 1822 general muster, which I > would like to bring to the list. > > A John Hughes convicted 10 Mar 1821 at Worcester Assizes, for Life, > was the only Hughes listed on the convict transportation register for > the "Hindostan" which arrived at Port Jackson on 24 Nov 1821 (one of > 152 males). > > My query is that there are several entries which appear to relate to > the same person in the printed book titled General Muster and Land and > Stock Muster of New South Wales 1822: > A10696 Hughes, George, C Hindostan Life Clearing Party – Mr Lowe Liverpool > A10710 Hughes, John C Hindostan Life Govt Blacksmith Sydney > A10711 Hughes, John C Hindostan 7 Blacksmith Lumber Yard Sydney > > I have looked at the relevant scanned images of this muster in > Ancestry.com.au and it matches what the entries written in the printed > book version. > > Does this mean that there might also have been a George Hughes on the > "Hindostan" (as well as the John Hughes) who was not recorded on the > convict transportation register? (I have looked through the register > at other convicts with a first name of George, including a George > Hewson, but they do not look like a match). Or was the 1822 general > muster a compilation from several sources of records, and the same > John Hughes may have been recorded in several places (with an > incorrect first name being given for one of the entries)? It is > interesting to note that in this muster this John Hughes was recorded > as a "blacksmith" - on all other records I have seen for him he was > recorded as "Labourer". > > > In the 1825 general muster there is only the one entry for a person > with the surname Hughes from the Hindostan: > Hughes John C Hindostan Life 1820 Govt employ Sydney > > This same John Hughes appears to be the one listed in the New South > Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930: > Name: John Hughes, Vessel Arrived In: Hindostan, Date of Admission: > 19 Aug 1826 > Gaol: Sydney, Gaol Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Record Type: > Entrance Book > John Hughes Hindostan Gen Sessions Sydney Embezzling property left in > his charge Penal Settlement 18 months Dec 20 1827 To the Hulk > > > 1828 NSW Census [Nov 1828] > HUGHES John Age 39 years, Government Servant, Hindostan 1821, > Catholic, Life, Labourer, Road& Bridge Party 23 > "Died" written underneath. > > His death is recorded in the New South Wales, Australia, Convict Death > Register, 1826-1879 > Name: John Hughes, Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789, Age: 39, Date of > Death: 23 Dec 1828, District: Parramatta > John Hughes, Hindostan, 39 years, died 23 Dec 1828, St Johns, Parramatta > > Any thoughts regarding this matter would be most appreciated. > > Regards > Helen > >

Hi everyone I have been researching convicts with the name George Hughes in the colony of NSW around the time period 1828-1836 (looking for an elusive ancestor). I am looking at about 12 possible George Hughes at the moment, and am particularly interested in any George Hughes who had anything to do with sawmilling, tree cutting, timber yard work, etc. One anomaly caught my attention in the 1822 general muster, which I would like to bring to the list. A John Hughes convicted 10 Mar 1821 at Worcester Assizes, for Life, was the only Hughes listed on the convict transportation register for the "Hindostan" which arrived at Port Jackson on 24 Nov 1821 (one of 152 males). My query is that there are several entries which appear to relate to the same person in the printed book titled General Muster and Land and Stock Muster of New South Wales 1822: A10696 Hughes, George, C Hindostan Life Clearing Party – Mr Lowe Liverpool A10710 Hughes, John C Hindostan Life Govt Blacksmith Sydney A10711 Hughes, John C Hindostan 7 Blacksmith Lumber Yard Sydney I have looked at the relevant scanned images of this muster in Ancestry.com.au and it matches what the entries written in the printed book version. Does this mean that there might also have been a George Hughes on the "Hindostan" (as well as the John Hughes) who was not recorded on the convict transportation register? (I have looked through the register at other convicts with a first name of George, including a George Hewson, but they do not look like a match). Or was the 1822 general muster a compilation from several sources of records, and the same John Hughes may have been recorded in several places (with an incorrect first name being given for one of the entries)? It is interesting to note that in this muster this John Hughes was recorded as a "blacksmith" - on all other records I have seen for him he was recorded as "Labourer". In the 1825 general muster there is only the one entry for a person with the surname Hughes from the Hindostan: Hughes John C Hindostan Life 1820 Govt employ Sydney This same John Hughes appears to be the one listed in the New South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930: Name: John Hughes, Vessel Arrived In: Hindostan, Date of Admission: 19 Aug 1826 Gaol: Sydney, Gaol Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Record Type: Entrance Book John Hughes Hindostan Gen Sessions Sydney Embezzling property left in his charge Penal Settlement 18 months Dec 20 1827 To the Hulk 1828 NSW Census [Nov 1828] HUGHES John Age 39 years, Government Servant, Hindostan 1821, Catholic, Life, Labourer, Road & Bridge Party 23 "Died" written underneath. His death is recorded in the New South Wales, Australia, Convict Death Register, 1826-1879 Name: John Hughes, Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789, Age: 39, Date of Death: 23 Dec 1828, District: Parramatta John Hughes, Hindostan, 39 years, died 23 Dec 1828, St Johns, Parramatta Any thoughts regarding this matter would be most appreciated. Regards Helen

Hi Geoff, John McCrumb is not listd in the 1828 NSW Census although his wife is listed under her maiden name - and also listed as Sarah and not Sally. In the Sydney Gazette dated 4 February 1840 there is mentioned a John McCrum who travelled by steerage class from Launceston to Sydney. Don't know if it is the same person, but the name was unusal in the colony. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 10/06/2011 6:29 PM, Geoff Collins wrote: > I am trying to determine the fate of the above convict who, I believe, maybe my great great grandfather. Have determined that he was in the employ of William Mason in 1823 , married another convict Sally Donnelly at Cof E Richmond on 26/5/1828 by Rev Elijah Smith. From this point on I have no further information but , again, believe that they had a child, Mary Ann McCrumb, who married a Charles Chuck in 1847 and after this married my great grandfather Samuel Collins after the death of Charles in 1854 at Camperdown. No records of their union but children have variation of surname from McCrum, McCrumb, Chuck, Montgomery . There is a record of a James McCrumb who died as a baby. Hope someone has some information on this > > > Geoff Collins >

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:54:13 +0800 From: "Robyn Murray" <[email protected]> Subject: [PJ] Message from The Murrays re William Underwood/Hyde Park Barracks To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you very much Lesley for your answer to my Hyde Park Barracks query. I am trying to have a better understanding of convict life and establishments in NSW. Re my note re convict William Underwood. "Westmoreland "1835 . Sentenced to 14 years. I see William was sent to Goat Island. Why would he have been sent there?Can anyone help? William was my convict GG Grandmothers brother. Hoping to trace connections to William. Thank you to Derek for your reply re my Mary Farrell from Kildare.The Mary you have suggested can't be my Mary. Mary Farrell married my my GG Grandfather Simeon Jennings at Island Lake ( Highland Lake?) near Cooma NSW 19/2/1849.. The Mary Farrell you suggested came 1850 and that was a year after she married Simeon. My apologies for not stating this originally. Mary was born Kildare Ireland c 1825 and died aged 83 in Braidwood NSW on 18/7/1908. Mother unknown. Father ,( ?)Farrell a farmer. No other information. I always wondered if she was a convict, maybe not. Several Mary Farrells were sent to NSW and VDL.. Thank you also to Kevin. Your thoughts that Mary may have come on the "Hope" in 1842 as an assisted immigrant( her brother, Michael Farrell)), could be more promising. I will see how I can access the shipping records for the" Hope". Everyone has been most helpful. Robyn Murray

Afternoon, I am helping a friend with her family history and have come across a real brickwall with this couple. Below is a summary of what I have been able to find out about the situation. Although in 'official' documents John Shortland never married it appears he definitely was in relationship/s during his period in Port Jackson. He arrived on the Sirius and remained in NSW or on Norfolk Island until 1800. In a number of un referenced family histories, he is listed as having at least one child with Elizabeth. One of his children appears to be Margaret Rebecca Shortland who married James BOYCE, convict in Tasmania. There are mentions of his descendants in newspaper articles. An early one, in the Sydney Gazette and NSW Advertiser on 13 Feb 1830, states: "Ah, little did that enterprising officer, whose voyage and description does him much credit - I mean Lieutenant Shortland - when he was walking and chatting upon the hopeless task of success that Governor Phillip had first presented to his view, in forming a settlement here - little did he think that his grand-daughter, now Mrs Pidding, should dwell in as neat and fine a house as the wife of any country surgeon in England." Now the only PIDDING wedding/s I can find on the NSW BDM are two entries in 1829 for the marriage of a Maria WILLIAMSON to William/Thomas Pidding. Coincidentally at that time, a Joseph Shortland Williamson was having a financial problem in the courts with Thomas Pidding. Thomas Pidding had migrated to Australia in 1829. He was a naval surgeon. This fits with the newspaper crack about the 'country surgeon' and suggests that Maria Williamson was Shortland's granddaughter and that Joseph Shortland Williamson was her brother (or father) Joseph Shortland Williamson was the son of a DCG Williamson of Parramatta. However, I cannot find any entries in the NSW BDM for either a Marie or Joseph Williamson. I searched the PJ archives and found that question of who is Elizabeth was discussed before and the suggestion was that it could have been Elizabeth Dean. She had a Margaret in 1799 and a Mary in 1792 and Eliza in 1804 (after Shortland had left the colony). I also wondered Elizabeth and Shortland were together on Norfolk Island as Shortland was there for a while. If anyone knows anything about these people or can suggest what to try next, I would be grateful. Regards, Natalie

Hi Robyn Perhaps your Mary Farrell was an Irish Potato Famin Orphan. They did stay at Hyde Park Barracks when they arrived. There is a memorial there. Listed in book "Bare Foot and Pregnant" Mary Farrell age 17 from Scarriff Clare parents Edward & Eliza arrived on the 'Thomas Arbuthnot' 3/2/1850 Might be worth a look. See website for Irish Orphans http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/ for ships & names. They often lied about their age to get out of Ireland. regards Derek From: "Robyn Murray" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PJ] Message from The Murrays re William Underwood/Hyde Park > Barracks > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hoping someone can help with a couple of queries.This is my first posting > on this website. > > Re : Convict William Underwood who arrived on the "Westmoreland" in 1835. > William was aged 31 and sentenced to 14 years for counterfeiting. He was > from Bristol and sentenced in the Bristol Quarter Sessions. He was the > brother to my Great Great Grandmother Louisa Underwood who was sent on the > Emma Eugenia (3) to VDL arriving in 1844. She was sentenced to 7 years , > also for counterfeiting. Two of her children came out with her.Does anyone > out there have connections to William Underwood? > > On Monday my Husband and I attended Descendants Day which was held on our > Foundation Day at the Fremantle Prison. It is for those of us who have > Convict ,Enrolled Pensioner Guard and Warder ancestery.I have 3 convict > ancestors sent to VDL and WA and my husband has 5 WA convicts only.( I am > still trying to track my GG Grandmother in Braidwood , NSW and I am > wondering if she was a convict also, Mary Farrell.was born 1825 > Kildare,Ireland and died 1908 in Braidwood) .We also saw the"Women > Transported"- Life in the Australia's Convict Female Factories. A > fantastic exhibition ,spent ages reading and viewing it all. Well > supported with many, many people going through. Having both male and > female convicts I find this history so very interesting. > > As an aside I have been wondering for some time if anyone tell me if > convict women were ever held at the Hyde Park Barracks prior to being sent > as secondary offenders to Peel Stations at Moreton Bay or Eagle Farm? I > couldn't find any reference to it at the exhibition unless of course I > missed it ! > > The Murrays > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:06:48 +1000 > From: Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Message from The Murrays re William Underwood/Hyde > Park Barracks > To: Robyn Murray <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Robyn > > Welcome to the PJ List > > Female convicts were not sent to Hyde Park Barracks - only men. The > females were sent to the Female Factory > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > > > email: [email protected] > > On 8/06/2011 12:54 PM, Robyn Murray wrote: >> Hoping someone can help with a couple of queries.This is my first posting >> on this website. >> >> Re : Convict William Underwood who arrived on the "Westmoreland" in 1835. >> William was aged 31 and sentenced to 14 years for counterfeiting. He was >> from Bristol and sentenced in the Bristol Quarter Sessions. He was the >> brother to my Great Great Grandmother Louisa Underwood who was sent on >> the Emma Eugenia (3) to VDL arriving in 1844. She was sentenced to 7 >> years , also for counterfeiting. Two of her children came out with >> her.Does anyone out there have connections to William Underwood? >> >> On Monday my Husband and I attended Descendants Day which was held on >> our Foundation Day at the Fremantle Prison. It is for those of us who >> have Convict ,Enrolled Pensioner Guard and Warder ancestery.I have 3 >> convict ancestors sent to VDL and WA and my husband has 5 WA convicts >> only.( I am still trying to track my GG Grandmother in Braidwood , NSW >> and I am wondering if she was a convict also, Mary Farrell.was born 1825 >> Kildare,Ireland and died 1908 in Braidwood) .We also saw the"Women >> Transported"- Life in the Australia's Convict Female Factories. A >> fantastic exhibition ,spent ages reading and viewing it all. Well >> supported with many, many people going through. Having both male and >> female convicts I find this history so very interesting. >> >> As an aside I have been wondering for some time if anyone tell me if >> convict women were ever held at the Hyde Park Barracks prior to being >> sent as secondary offenders to Peel Stations at Moreton Bay or Eagle >> Farm? I couldn't find any reference to it at the exhibition unless of >> course I missed it ! >> >> The Murrays >>

Hi Robyn This could be your GG Grandmother - Mary Farrell from Clane, Kildare, Ireland, arrived by Ship on "Hope" in 1842. Brought out by her brother, Michael as an Asssited Immigrant. Regards Kevin Wilson Brisbane Qld

I am trying to determine the fate of the above convict who, I believe, maybe my great great grandfather. Have determined that he was in the employ of William Mason in 1823 , married another convict Sally Donnelly at Cof E Richmond on 26/5/1828 by Rev Elijah Smith. From this point on I have no further information but , again, believe that they had a child, Mary Ann McCrumb, who married a Charles Chuck in 1847 and after this married my great grandfather Samuel Collins after the death of Charles in 1854 at Camperdown. No records of their union but children have variation of surname from McCrum, McCrumb, Chuck, Montgomery . There is a record of a James McCrumb who died as a baby. Hope someone has some information on this Geoff Collins

Hi Robyn Welcome to the PJ List Female convicts were not sent to Hyde Park Barracks - only men. The females were sent to the Female Factory Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 8/06/2011 12:54 PM, Robyn Murray wrote: > Hoping someone can help with a couple of queries.This is my first posting on this website. > > Re : Convict William Underwood who arrived on the "Westmoreland" in 1835. William was aged 31 and sentenced to 14 years for counterfeiting. He was from Bristol and sentenced in the Bristol Quarter Sessions. He was the brother to my Great Great Grandmother Louisa Underwood who was sent on the Emma Eugenia (3) to VDL arriving in 1844. She was sentenced to 7 years , also for counterfeiting. Two of her children came out with her.Does anyone out there have connections to William Underwood? > > On Monday my Husband and I attended Descendants Day which was held on our Foundation Day at the Fremantle Prison. It is for those of us who have Convict ,Enrolled Pensioner Guard and Warder ancestery.I have 3 convict ancestors sent to VDL and WA and my husband has 5 WA convicts only.( I am still trying to track my GG Grandmother in Braidwood , NSW and I am wondering if she was a convict also, Mary Farrell.was born 1825 Kildare,Ireland and died 1908 in Braidwood) .We also saw the"Women Transported"- Life in the Australia's Convict Female Factories. A fantastic exhibition ,spent ages reading and viewing it all. Well supported with many, many people going through. Having both male and female convicts I find this history so very interesting. > > As an aside I have been wondering for some time if anyone tell me if convict women were ever held at the Hyde Park Barracks prior to being sent as secondary offenders to Peel Stations at Moreton Bay or Eagle Farm? I couldn't find any reference to it at the exhibition unless of course I missed it ! > > The Murrays > >

Thanks for the information Leslie. I'll let Monica know your feedback and see if she can find out anything further. Much appreciated. Cheers Janine. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 7:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Officers, soldiers, officials etc Hi Janine Cannot see that anyone has replied to the list, although perhaps they have done so privately. On checking that surname (Jolly/Jolley) I cannot find a birth, death or marriage before 1828 - that's 40 years without an event! Perhaps you should ask your friend to be more specific. As it appears that she does not know which fleet the person arrived it could just be a family story. Does she know the first name of the person? The reason I ask is that many families carry these stories from generation to generation...... as my own did. My mother used to tell me (over 30 years ago) that my James Kelly brought convicts to Australia on HIS own ship with the first fleet - and when I started researching about 29 years ago, found that he actually arrived as a convict in 1792. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 8/06/2011 12:05 PM, Janine H wrote: > My friend tells me she has ancestors who came on one of the first three > fleets but they weren't convicts. Please can someone advise if there is a > website that will give names of those other than convicts?. Their surname > was JOLLY. > > Cheers and thanks > Janine. > > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janine Cannot see that anyone has replied to the list, although perhaps they have done so privately. On checking that surname (Jolly/Jolley) I cannot find a birth, death or marriage before 1828 - that's 40 years without an event! Perhaps you should ask your friend to be more specific. As it appears that she does not know which fleet the person arrived it could just be a family story. Does she know the first name of the person? The reason I ask is that many families carry these stories from generation to generation...... as my own did. My mother used to tell me (over 30 years ago) that my James Kelly brought convicts to Australia on HIS own ship with the first fleet - and when I started researching about 29 years ago, found that he actually arrived as a convict in 1792. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 8/06/2011 12:05 PM, Janine H wrote: > My friend tells me she has ancestors who came on one of the first three > fleets but they weren't convicts. Please can someone advise if there is a > website that will give names of those other than convicts?. Their surname > was JOLLY. > > Cheers and thanks > Janine. > > >

Good Afternoon Derek, Today I called into our Library inquiring re your query, the staff are very Hepfull. If you could find out who he was assigned to Cora Num has a very good web Page. The state Records N S w index to Land grants I have used and they are a Wonderfull help. Keep searching. Regards Kath

Hi Nadine I found them on Ancestry under 'NSW Coroner's Inquests for 1796 - 1942', the records on NSW State record site is from 1796 - 1824. Lynne > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:33:28 +0100 > From: "nadine" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PJ] Solomon Jackson > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > For Lynne & Trev > Please could you tell me where to access the records for NSW Coroner's > Inquests as I am still trying to find my Hugh Crabtree died at > Windsor/Pitt > Town/Colo about 1834 - no records that give any clue as to his whereabouts > when he died. Last heard of having his land sold at Colo and thereafter > the > poor man disappears into the void. > Thanks to anyone who may help > Nadine > Ireland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne & Trev" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 3:38 AM > Subject: [PJ] Solomon Jackson > > >> Hi All >> >> I have been trying for a number of years to find the death of Solomon >> Jackson (per Lady Nugent 1835) in the Armidale/Uralla area. >> >> Last week I had an eureka moment - I found his death in the NSW >> Coronoer's >> Inquests for 1796 - 1942 (it was 9 May 1851, coroner's hearing was 10 May >> 1851), unfortunately still don't have a burial site. Now all I have to >> do >> is discover his parents/siblings back in the UK. >> >> Lynne Brown >> Central Coast >> NSW >>