Hi Lesley, yes, according to NSW state records Joseph Roberts arrived on the Mary Anne in 1835. I think he is related to my Maria Roberts. I still need to do some more searching on this as there were a few Joseph Roberts. I think he came into Port Jackson. Catherine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Convict-Joseph Roberts Hi Catherine Did you find some records to suggest that Joseph Roberts arrived as a convict? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 25/06/2011 8:50 PM, Catherine Rowntree wrote: > Hi Listers and Lesley, > > I am looking for anyone with the convict Joseph Roberts as their ancestor. I > am interested to find out more about this person in connection with a > criminal incident with my Francis Kingsbury. > > Cheers, Catherine > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3726 - Release Date: 06/25/11 18:34:00

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Kara, that's certainly an illustrious ancestry. I suppose you know that there is even a page on wiki about your First Fleeters? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kable You might also contact the Fellowship of First Fleeters for contacts to active researching relatives. There's one on their main front webpage. http://www.fellowshipfirstfleeters.org.au/contact.html Good luck! Ray On 26 June 2011 15:47, Kala <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > I am new to the list & trying to put a 'surprise' book together for my > father on his bloodline convicts. > > Being a high school student I don't have the finances to pay for Gvt BDM > certificates or subscriptions to online companies to obtain these. > > Therefore I was hoping to find some people here who may be related & have > certificates, documents, parish records, pictures or photos of the following > familes. > > I am quite happy to reimbuse people for copies. > > Kindest regards, > > Kala > > Convict List: > > Henry KABLE Friendship 21 Jan 1788 > Susannah HOLMES Friendship 21 Jan 1788 > Hannah LEESON/LISSON Mary Ann 09 Jul 1791 > Thomas LISSON/LEESON Royal Admiral (1) 07 Oct 1792 > Judith BIDWELL Surprize (2) 25 Oct 1794 > Ann BRADWELL Experiment 26 Apr 1804 > John TEALE Indefatigable (2) 25 Apr 1815 > James WINTON Larkins 22 Nov 1817 > James SHERIDAN Phoenix III 25 Dec 1826 > James BRUCE Surrey (6) 26 Nov 1831 > Catherine BLAKE Diamond 28 Mar 1838 > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Catherine Did you find some records to suggest that Joseph Roberts arrived as a convict? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 25/06/2011 8:50 PM, Catherine Rowntree wrote: > Hi Listers and Lesley, > > I am looking for anyone with the convict Joseph Roberts as their ancestor. I > am interested to find out more about this person in connection with a > criminal incident with my Francis Kingsbury. > > Cheers, Catherine > >

Hi Robyn, The records you are looking for may no longer exist. As he stated that his native place was Porchester (or Portchester) in Hampshire does his death record provide this information. Does it record the names of his parents? As you are probably aware, his brother was Captain George King - Port Officer in VDL and RN..... which may be the reason why he was sent directly to PJ from VDL. Captain George died in 1858 aged 65, according to the VDL newspapers. Does his death record state the name of his parents? Edmund was more than likely aware that the convict establishment was being broken up in 1848 and may have thought that by absconding he would not be missed..... HRA XXVI Pages 32 – 33 Sir Charles Fitz Roy to Earl Grey Despatch No 218 per ship Ganges; acknowledged by Earl Grey, 14th April 1848 My Lord, I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt by the last packet of Your Lordship’s despatch No 147 of the 4th May last ordering the Convict Establishment in this colony to be broken up, and those of the convicts remaining on the hands of Government, to whom Tickets of Leave or Conditional Pardons cannot properly be granted, to be transferred with as little delay as possible to Van Diemen’s Land. Arrangements for transfer of convicts to Tasmania I have now the honour to report that, on the receipt of these instructions, I took immediate steps for carrying them into effect, and that arrangements are now in progress by which, as soon as I am informed by Sir William Denison that he is prepared to receive these people, there will be no difficulty in forwarding them to Van Diemen’s Land; so that with the exception of the small portion of the Principal Superintendent’s Department, which it will be necessary to maintain until those prisoners, who are now holding Tickets of Leave, or who may receive that indulgence within the next two months, can obtain their Conditional Pardons, I can see no reason why the whole of the Convict Establishment in this colony may not be broken up by the end of the year. Number of convicts It may be satisfactory to Your Lordship to learn that, under the proposed arrangement, the number of convicts, exclusive of invalids and lunatics, will be but small as far as I am enabled to state at present, it will not exceed 125 men and 10 women; the number of lunatics and invalids will not exceed 350. I may further state that, with a view to the final abolition of the Convict Department, I propose to shorten the period for which, under existing regulations, holders of Tickets of Leave must remain under probation before they can petition for their Conditional Pardons, to 12 months with good conduct. The breaking up of the Convict Establishment at Port Macquarie, and the removal of the whole of the invalids and lunatics from that station to the hospitals at Sydney and Liverpool, which I was enabled to effect previously to the receipt of Your Lordship’s despatch, will render it more easy to carry out Your Lordship’s instructions. When the whole of the arrangements have been matured, I shall have the honour of transmitting them in detail, together with any information relating to them which Your Lordship may desire to possess. I have etc Charles A. Fitz Roy Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 26/06/2011 8:11 AM, Robyn Nesbitt wrote: > Hi Lesley > > Thank you for your reply. Yes I have the information for him arriving in > Tasmania and being sent to Port Jackson and also have all his trial details. > What I'm trying to find out is his movements between 1837 and 1851 as I'm > trying to prove that he was the Edmund King that married my Amelia Newton. > Thanks Robyn >

Hello, I am new to the list & trying to put a 'surprise' book together for my father on his bloodline convicts. Being a high school student I don't have the finances to pay for Gvt BDM certificates or subscriptions to online companies to obtain these. Therefore I was hoping to find some people here who may be related & have certificates, documents, parish records, pictures or photos of the following familes. I am quite happy to reimbuse people for copies. Kindest regards, Kala Convict List: Henry KABLE Friendship 21 Jan 1788 Susannah HOLMES Friendship 21 Jan 1788 Hannah LEESON/LISSON Mary Ann 09 Jul 1791 Thomas LISSON/LEESON Royal Admiral (1) 07 Oct 1792 Judith BIDWELL Surprize (2) 25 Oct 1794 Ann BRADWELL Experiment 26 Apr 1804 John TEALE Indefatigable (2) 25 Apr 1815 James WINTON Larkins 22 Nov 1817 James SHERIDAN Phoenix III 25 Dec 1826 James BRUCE Surrey (6) 26 Nov 1831 Catherine BLAKE Diamond 28 Mar 1838

Hi Gayle What type of information are you after? Some of what I have it From the muster taken on board when she arrived Name .. Pearce, Jane Arr. .. 1815 Ship .. Northampton LU Code .. *M Tried .. Middlesex Gaol Delivery Date .. 6 July 1814 Sentence .. 7 Native place .. Shropshire Occupation .. Servant Age .. 22 She applied to marry Samuel Pasfield (convict per Somersetshire) in 1817 The NSW BDMs note her as Pierce. In the 1828 NSW Census she is living in Pitt Street Sydney with her husband and her five children Ann, George, James, Charles & William Her trial details are available on the Old Bailey web site at: http://tinyurl.com/69k56vk regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 26/06/2011 8:36 AM, Gayle Clarke-Wood wrote: > Hi Lister, > Wondering if anyone has any information regarding a Jane Pearce, arrived 1815 on the Northhampton. > > Thanks Gayle >

Hi Lister, Wondering if anyone has any information regarding a Jane Pearce, arrived 1815 on the Northhampton. Thanks Gayle

Hi Lesley Thank you for your reply. Yes I have the information for him arriving in Tasmania and being sent to Port Jackson and also have all his trial details. What I'm trying to find out is his movements between 1837 and 1851 as I'm trying to prove that he was the Edmund King that married my Amelia Newton. Thanks Robyn

Hi Listers and Lesley, I am looking for anyone with the convict Joseph Roberts as their ancestor. I am interested to find out more about this person in connection with a criminal incident with my Francis Kingsbury. Cheers, Catherine

----- Original Message ----- From: "brian_judy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:05 PM Subject: [PJ] Wiliam Henry Allen > Hi Listers > > I have been searching for my grandfather William Henry Allen/Allan aka > Henry > Allen/Allan born sometime in the 1840's (according to his childrens' > BC's > in the Gympie area in the 1880's). > > His partner was Ellen Josephine formerly Disher, nee Cooper bapt 1845 > Rathdrum Wicklow , Ireland, arrived in SA in 1850. > > I have no other info re William/Henry but wonder if he might have been a > convict or a son of a convict. I have been searching since 1993 but can > make > no breakthrough. The childrens' BC's suggest a connection to Armidale NSW, > but I have not been able to verify this. > > If there is someone out there with a William Henry Allen/Allan aka Henry > Allen/Allan, who answers this description, would they please let me know? > > Cheers Judy > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Robyn Convicts John Richard Hartnett and Michael Minchan arrived on the Java on 18 November 1833. They were transferred from Hyde Park Barracks to the hulk Phoenix on 6 December. Both were teachers and were sent to Port Macquarie as "Specials" on 7 January 1834. Several other convicts were sent to Port Macquarie on the same date, but they had been on the Phoenix longer and were sent to Port Macquarie as "Specials", but for other reasons. Do you know why Edmund King was similarly held in Sydney and sent to Port Macquarie ? Cheers Ken Thompson

Hi Listers I have been searching for my grandfather William Henry Allen/Allan aka Henry Allen/Allan born sometime in the 1840's (according to his childrens' BC's in the Gympie area in the 1880's). His partner was Ellen Josephine formerly Disher, nee Cooper bapt 1845 Rathdrum Wicklow , Ireland, arrived in SA in 1850. I have no other info re William/Henry but wonder if he might have been a convict or a son of a convict. I have been searching since 1993 but can make no breakthrough. The childrens' BC's suggest a connection to Armidale NSW, but I have not been able to verify this. If there is someone out there with a William Henry Allen/Allan aka Henry Allen/Allan, who answers this description, would they please let me know? Cheers Judy

Hi Robyn I suppose that you already know that he was initially sent to VDL on the Henry Porcher and was removed to NSW a few weeks later. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 25/06/2011 5:01 PM, Robyn Nesbitt wrote: > Hi Listers. > I am new to the list and am endeavouring to find some information on Edmund King convict- who arrived at Port Jackson on 'Lady Nugent' November 1836, was on a hulk until 20 December 1836 and sent to Port Macquarie on 'William the Fourth". > He was given a ticket of Leave in February 1845 which was cancelled in November 1850 for absence from district. > Can any one suggest how I could find who he was assigned to between 1836-1845 and 1851? > > Thank you Robyn > > >

Hi Listers. I am new to the list and am endeavouring to find some information on Edmund King convict- who arrived at Port Jackson on 'Lady Nugent' November 1836, was on a hulk until 20 December 1836 and sent to Port Macquarie on 'William the Fourth". He was given a ticket of Leave in February 1845 which was cancelled in November 1850 for absence from district. Can any one suggest how I could find who he was assigned to between 1836-1845 and 1851? Thank you Robyn

Hi Catherine Ryde is an inner suburb of Sydney to the NW. Just put - population sydney 1861 - in google and you will find one site says 56,000. Its a good chance she was the only Frances Kingsbury in Sydney at the time. One way to get a feel for this is to do a search for that name in the NSW BDM online index to see how many come up for a period say around 1840 to 1900. Courts are part of the administration, therefore if records are extant then its likely they are held by the NSW State Records, go to their site and search. cheers Grahame On 24/06/2011, at 5:25 PM, Catherine Rowntree wrote: > Hi Lesley and Listers, I haven’t been on for awhile but I am still reading > what everyone is up to. > > > > I hope my questions are enough on topic. > > > > I found an article in the nla newspapers on one of my convicts daughters-I > think? > > > > Francis Kingsbury’s daughter, Frances was born in 1841 in Ryde (part of > Sydney I think-don’t know Sydney at all) and the article put her in about > the right place(Hyde Park) aged about 20yrs. > > > > I am trying to confirm if this is one of my ancestors. > > > > Does anybody know the population of Sydney (as this incident happened in > Hyde Park) in 1861? What is the likelihood of their being two Frances > Kingsburys? > > How could I find out about the trial and what happened? > > > > I also can’t make out a couple of the below phrases (I have high lighted > them-not sure if that will show) > > > > > > The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954), Friday 1 November 1861, page 2 > > Joseph Roberts was brought beforo tho'Court by inspec- tor Taylor, who > yesterday apprehended him on a chargo of having feloniously ana unlawfully > attempted to admi- nister to Frances Kingsbury a certain stupefying and > overpowering thing, to wit, cautharides, or spanish fly, mixed on orange, > with intent to assist him in tho commis- sion of a felony upon her ; he > said, in reply to the ohargo, that it was all humbug. Tho inspector producod > the orange, which ho had shown to two chemists and to Dr. Rutter. Frances > Kingsbury, residing in Crown-strcot, deposed that, on Sunday evening, tho > prisoner and herself were out together from about half-past seven-until half > past ten-sometimes walking, at othors sitting on tho grass of Hydo Park ; > whilo sitting, soon after they went out, ho gave her an orange from' his > pocket, which, instead of eating, she put into her own pocket; she was > suspicious of somo trick, becauso when she commenced to peel it she found a > portion of tho skin to bo loose, and sho excused herself by saying, that > having already partaken rather freely of fruit, sho feired it mignt make her > unwell ; on parting ho asked her and sho promisod him to accompany him the > following evening to tho theatre ; next morning sho looked at the orango > find saw that it contained moro than orango ; sho took it to a chemist, and > in' consequenco of what ho said sho yes-' tcrday complained to a magistrate. > Dr. Rutter, police surgeon, deposed that ho had examined the »range produced > by inspector Taylor, and found that a portion of tho fruit hod been cut out, > and a cavity filled with about ten grains > > of Spanish fly-a powerful animal¡rritablo poison, which,, if prosecutrix had > eaton, would havo made her very ill, though the quantity ÍB too Binall to > destroy lifo. Prisonor said that tho orango ho govo prosecutrix was sound, > and I that ho know nothing of the orange producod. Committed for trial at > tho Central Criminal Court. > > > > Any help with above would be very appreciated. > > Cheers, Catherine > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley and Listers, I haven’t been on for awhile but I am still reading what everyone is up to. I hope my questions are enough on topic. I found an article in the nla newspapers on one of my convicts daughters-I think? Francis Kingsbury’s daughter, Frances was born in 1841 in Ryde (part of Sydney I think-don’t know Sydney at all) and the article put her in about the right place(Hyde Park) aged about 20yrs. I am trying to confirm if this is one of my ancestors. Does anybody know the population of Sydney (as this incident happened in Hyde Park) in 1861? What is the likelihood of their being two Frances Kingsburys? How could I find out about the trial and what happened? I also can’t make out a couple of the below phrases (I have high lighted them-not sure if that will show) The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954), Friday 1 November 1861, page 2 Joseph Roberts was brought beforo tho'Court by inspec- tor Taylor, who yesterday apprehended him on a chargo of having feloniously ana unlawfully attempted to admi- nister to Frances Kingsbury a certain stupefying and overpowering thing, to wit, cautharides, or spanish fly, mixed on orange, with intent to assist him in tho commis- sion of a felony upon her ; he said, in reply to the ohargo, that it was all humbug. Tho inspector producod the orange, which ho had shown to two chemists and to Dr. Rutter. Frances Kingsbury, residing in Crown-strcot, deposed that, on Sunday evening, tho prisoner and herself were out together from about half-past seven-until half past ten-sometimes walking, at othors sitting on tho grass of Hydo Park ; whilo sitting, soon after they went out, ho gave her an orange from' his pocket, which, instead of eating, she put into her own pocket; she was suspicious of somo trick, becauso when she commenced to peel it she found a portion of tho skin to bo loose, and sho excused herself by saying, that having already partaken rather freely of fruit, sho feired it mignt make her unwell ; on parting ho asked her and sho promisod him to accompany him the following evening to tho theatre ; next morning sho looked at the orango find saw that it contained moro than orango ; sho took it to a chemist, and in' consequenco of what ho said sho yes-' tcrday complained to a magistrate. Dr. Rutter, police surgeon, deposed that ho had examined the »range produced by inspector Taylor, and found that a portion of tho fruit hod been cut out, and a cavity filled with about ten grains of Spanish fly-a powerful animal¡rritablo poison, which,, if prosecutrix had eaton, would havo made her very ill, though the quantity ÍB too Binall to destroy lifo. Prisonor said that tho orango ho govo prosecutrix was sound, and I that ho know nothing of the orange producod. Committed for trial at tho Central Criminal Court. Any help with above would be very appreciated. Cheers, Catherine

Hello Listers. For the past few weeks, whenever the topic of Assignment Registers has been raised here, I have been trying to find an impressive article written about them, as well as about other archive topics. Could never find it. Then, serendipity delivered it to me, in a link to a new Archives Outside posting from NSW State Records. So here is the sad information about the PURPOSEFUL destruction of so many convict records, courtesy of Ms Christine SHERGOLD at NSW State Records. Read it and weep! http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/resources-for/historians/convicts/new-south-wales-convict-records-lost-and-saved ray

Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:33:03 +1000 From: Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PJ] Re Indents To: [email protected] Hi Valerie Both are available via the ARK series of fiche and film. Hi Lesley, Thank you for your quick reply to my question regarding bound and printed indents. As usual you were most helpful and I have learned something else about researching convicts. Kind Regards Valerie Williams, Mollymook

Hi John & Lyn, According to one website the last convict ship to Sydney was the Adelaide which arrived on 24.12.1849. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Read" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: [PJ] Convict Assignment > Hi! > > My convict, William Jarvis, arrive in Port Jackson in November 1838. It > is my understanding that the cessation of male convict assignment > regulation was passed (in England?) in August 1838 and was to take > effect 1 January 1839 for convicts in towns and domestic servants > everywhere from August 1839. >