Many thanks Lesley for you help. We have his life story and how he bucked the system of that time, his wife and son James continued to live on "CAVAN" Station. Kath -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2011 4:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] convict deaths recorded Hi Kath I transcribed the convict deaths over a decade ago. Thomas is listed as dying in Queanbeyan and being in receipt of TOL Number 44/383. I note from the NSW State Records that this TOL was also for Queanbeyan. You will often not find these deaths recorded in the church records. Regards Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 24/07/2011 3:39 PM, Kath Connors wrote: > Hello listeners > > , > > Many years ago I recall seeing an old book at Globe street Sydney Before the > Dept. moved to Kingswood, > > with records of convict's deaths from their masters etc. Would any member > recall seeing it please. > > > Our ancestor Thomas Collison who arrived on the convict ship " Countess Oh > Harcout' 1828, was assigned as a > > Sheppard on the Rendell's property at BUNGENDORE& GIDLEIGH in 1845 where > he died, no record can be > > found after many long years of searching. > > > Many thanks > > Kath > > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your help with this. Everyone on the list is so experienced that they usually know where to point me. I'll remember to keep on topic more next time. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jordan Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] 1881 census of Melbourne Hi Catherine I don't know why you have posted to this list. 1881-91 is after the convict period and Melbourne is some distance from Port Jackson. As far as I know, the only Census material from the Australian colonies from this period are abstracts and no individual returns were kept. When looking for records, a good place to start is the LDS (Mormon) catalogue at familysearch.org. https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/library_catalog Looking under Australia, Victoria. Census, there are two entries: An abstract of the NSW 1836 Census for the Port Phillip District and Census of Port Phillip, 1838 Regards On 23 July 2011 20:04, Catherine Rowntree <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Lesley and listers, > > I am looking to search the 1881,1886,1891 Melbourne census's. I am trying to > google it but not getting very far. One sight you had to join and pay > membership to search. > > Does anybody know if there is a free site to search? I have a feeling from > something I read that they may have been destroyed. I hope I am not right > there. > > Catherine > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3786 - Release Date: 07/24/11 18:33:00

Hi Catherine I don't know why you have posted to this list. 1881-91 is after the convict period and Melbourne is some distance from Port Jackson. As far as I know, the only Census material from the Australian colonies from this period are abstracts and no individual returns were kept. When looking for records, a good place to start is the LDS (Mormon) catalogue at familysearch.org. https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/library_catalog Looking under Australia, Victoria. Census, there are two entries: An abstract of the NSW 1836 Census for the Port Phillip District and Census of Port Phillip, 1838 Regards On 23 July 2011 20:04, Catherine Rowntree <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Lesley and listers, > > I am looking to search the 1881,1886,1891 Melbourne census's. I am trying to > google it but not getting very far. One sight you had to join and pay > membership to search. > > Does anybody know if there is a free site to search? I have a feeling from > something I read that they may have been destroyed. I hope I am not right > there. > > Catherine > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ian I am not sure, but Thomas was the son of John Collison/Collinson who arrived as a convict on the Glory in 1818 and was living in Windsor when he married. Both Thomas Collison per Countess of Harcourt and John Collison/Collinson per Glory (with his brother Joseph?) were tried in London, although 11 years apart. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 24/07/2011 6:34 PM, Ian Nicholls wrote: > Hi Kath and Listers, > Does anyone know if there is any connection > between Kath's Thomas Collison and the Thomas Collison family in Richmond > NSW who were around in the 1850-1900 + period? > Best regards.........Ian Nicholls. >

Hi Kath and Listers, Does anyone know if there is any connection between Kath's Thomas Collison and the Thomas Collison family in Richmond NSW who were around in the 1850-1900 + period? Best regards.........Ian Nicholls.

Hi Kath I transcribed the convict deaths over a decade ago. Thomas is listed as dying in Queanbeyan and being in receipt of TOL Number 44/383. I note from the NSW State Records that this TOL was also for Queanbeyan. You will often not find these deaths recorded in the church records. Regards Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 24/07/2011 3:39 PM, Kath Connors wrote: > Hello listeners > > , > > Many years ago I recall seeing an old book at Globe street Sydney Before the > Dept. moved to Kingswood, > > with records of convict's deaths from their masters etc. Would any member > recall seeing it please. > > > Our ancestor Thomas Collison who arrived on the convict ship " Countess Oh > Harcout' 1828, was assigned as a > > Sheppard on the Rendell's property at BUNGENDORE& GIDLEIGH in 1845 where > he died, no record can be > > found after many long years of searching. > > > Many thanks > > Kath > >

Hello listeners , Many years ago I recall seeing an old book at Globe street Sydney Before the Dept. moved to Kingswood, with records of convict's deaths from their masters etc. Would any member recall seeing it please. Our ancestor Thomas Collison who arrived on the convict ship " Countess Oh Harcout' 1828, was assigned as a Sheppard on the Rendell's property at BUNGENDORE & GIDLEIGH in 1845 where he died, no record can be found after many long years of searching. Many thanks Kath

Hi Lesley and listers, I am looking to search the 1881,1886,1891 Melbourne census's. I am trying to google it but not getting very far. One sight you had to join and pay membership to search. Does anybody know if there is a free site to search? I have a feeling from something I read that they may have been destroyed. I hope I am not right there. Catherine

Rob, there are three Mary Ann Cruse listings on Archives of Tasmania's "Colonial Tasmanian Families link". I know because I was researching a Cruse family in Tasmania, but the listed date of births are 1804, 1853 and 1856, so don't think any of these would be your Mary Ann Cruse. Regards, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Coughlan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: [PJ] Two Mary's > I'm searching for a Mary Ann Cruse born approximately 1820-1822. I'm > pretty sure she is not a convict but a native. The other Mary is Mary > Shea. > Living in NSW 1839, Patricks Plains District. Anyone have any information

Rob I would say that Mary Ann is probably the one who was born to John and Catherine about 1820 or 1821 and possibly baptised in 1824. Listed as Cruiss in the 1828 NSW Census and residing with William Fowler of Hunters Hill at that time. It appears as though two siblings were living at the Female Factory in 1828. Mary Shea arrived Free on the Magistrate that arrived in July 1838 Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 22/07/2011 9:46 AM, Rob Coughlan wrote: > I'm searching for a Mary Ann Cruse born approximately 1820-1822. I'm > pretty sure she is not a convict but a native. The other Mary is Mary Shea. > Living in NSW 1839, Patricks Plains District. Anyone have any information > > > ----------------

I'm searching for a Mary Ann Cruse born approximately 1820-1822. I'm pretty sure she is not a convict but a native. The other Mary is Mary Shea. Living in NSW 1839, Patricks Plains District. Anyone have any information

Rob if you contact me off site at [email protected] I am a relative of Ann's and will give you all I have which is not much I'm afraid. Sandra ----- Original Message -----

As I'm not one that's good with words Julie has explained exactly how I feel about everything you put out Lesley, please keep up the wonderful work you are doing Pam Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Webb <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: [PJ] Last Sydney Herald > Dear Lesley and list members > > I enjoy all your untiring efforts to provide us with as much information on the early lives of our 'convict ancestors'. I read all your entries with enthusiasm hoping one day to find 'a mention' of my family members, as yet to no avail. I'm sure all members really enjoy these emails, but I, like most probably read them and never have the time to reply. Personally as someone who spends most of her days connected to email for business reasons, I find your informative stories of the colony a pleasant relief from work and I always read my colour coded 'blue PJ' emails first. This is undoubtedly the best list that I have joined and the most comprehensive. > > Best regards > Julie > Gold Coast, Qld > > > > ==== AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Mailing List ==== > Archives of this list may be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Replied off line ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Coughlan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:34 AM Subject: [PJ] William Bunn > I'm tracking a man named William Henry Bunn. Not sure if if he a convict, > native born, or came free. Any info? > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]ootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rob Willian Bunn, the convict per Asia stated he was 21 in 1820. He was a Lifer and received various TOLs between 1829 and 1849 - no mention of a Pardon of any description. As I said, I think he may be the one who died in 1852 aged 54. It was not until after I posted my message that I realised that you were talking about Annie Kershaw. As she had a number of small children to support when her husband died young she probably needed financial support (or protection). Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 16/07/2011 1:32 PM, Rob Coughlan wrote: > Thanks Jerry and Lesley. The William Henry Bunn who died in 1880 is wrong > one. I'm after the guy who married Ann Coughlan. He seems to disappear off > the scene sometime in late 1860's. Slowly going through all the BDM > certificates. He married my 4g grandmother after he husband, Michael > Coughlan Florentia (1) died. Without records it is difficult to identify > when he came to Australia or if he was born here. Ann was 33 when she > re-married (born 1822 Rochdale England). There are no clues on their > marriage certificate. Any idea how old the Bunn (Asia) was in 1820. She > might have married an older man. > >

Thanks Jerry and Lesley. The William Henry Bunn who died in 1880 is wrong one. I'm after the guy who married Ann Coughlan. He seems to disappear off the scene sometime in late 1860's. Slowly going through all the BDM certificates. He married my 4g grandmother after he husband, Michael Coughlan Florentia (1) died. Without records it is difficult to identify when he came to Australia or if he was born here. Ann was 33 when she re-married (born 1822 Rochdale England). There are no clues on their marriage certificate. Any idea how old the Bunn (Asia) was in 1820. She might have married an older man.

Rob, There was a William Bunn who arrived as a convict in 1820 on board the Asia. I think he died in 1852 and therfore probably not the one you are looking for? There was a William H Bunn who died in 1880 son of Edward and Amelia 533/1880 BUNN WILLIAM H EDWARD AMELIA SYDNEY The 1828 NSW Census has an Amelia Bunn who arrived free on the Eliza in 1828. It could be that she married (again) in 1831 to John H Lancey or Lanceg Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 16/07/2011 10:34 AM, Rob Coughlan wrote: > I'm tracking a man named William Henry Bunn. Not sure if if he a convict, > native born, or came free. Any info?

I'm tracking a man named William Henry Bunn. Not sure if if he a convict, native born, or came free. Any info?

Hi Rob, Below is a site for some information on William Henry Bunn. On August 6th 1855,he married Anne Coghlan ( Coughlan ). Searching the archives from BDM NSW AU shows Anne's name recorded as Coghlan. Hope this helps in some way. JERRY TIERNEY CHASSELL MICHIGAN USA http://www.jenwilletts.com/searchaction.php?page=2&surname=bunn&ship=&firstname= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Coughlan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:34 PM Subject: [PJ] William Bunn > I'm tracking a man named William Henry Bunn. Not sure if if he a convict, > native born, or came free. Any info? > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Frances - My step-grandmother was descended from Nicholas Delaney & I am interested in finding out more about him so I will contact you off list. Joy -----Original Message----- From: Rebel Hand Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] New to list - my convict ancestors Hi, I've just joined the list, so all I'm doing now is to list my convict ancestors sent to Port Jackson: 1. Nicholas Delaney (Irish rebel in 1798) from Co Wicklow - arrived 1802 - in Atlas II 2. John Simpson from Yorkshire - 1818 - Ocean II 3.Sarah Marshall - Friendship - 1818 Best wishes, Frances Owen ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message