I'm looking for Sally Walmsley. Saw some messages from her here from 2001/2. I am researching Ann Mahoney who married John Rudd. Paul Bech

Hi Louise At least you know where he was probably born and when. As he was only 20 when he arrived in 1822, then his father was , mnore than likely, still alive, in 1830. Further confirmation of where the family were living you have by that undelivered letter. May I suggest that you join the Rootsweb List for Leeds, Yorkshire - ENG-YKS-LEEDS Mailing List or ENG-YORKSHIRE Mailing List I was aware that he applied for permission to marry Sarah McDonald in 1834 and this was rejected on 23 May 1834 due to the fact that she stated she was already married. She did actually state that she was married (not a widow, when she arrived on the Buffalo.) Regarding the forgery about her husband being no longer alive - yes this did happen and some people made some very silly errors. I doubt she would have been sent to gaol for this over a year later....... you may (or may not) find the real reason why she was sent to the Female Factory in 1835 in the newspapers of the day. Regarding the land issue - I think you have to check with the State Records of NSW as these records are only available in the reading room of the State Records. You are lucky that so much is available about Abraham and also his son Abraham in the early newspapers. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 18/08/2011 8:20 PM, Louise wrote: > Hi Lesley > Thanks for clearing that up for me re the Airds York 1822. > Is there any records that would show more than native of Leeds Yorkshire on them so I can find a place of birth to try and find his birth and parents? > I found on Trove that a letter addressed to Abraham Wade in Yorkshire England couldn't be sent due insufficient postage in September 1830, so I assume that Abraham father was also Abraham alive in Yorkshire still. > > Also, he was granted permission to marry a Sarah McDonald and they did 3 May 1834. There was a letter attached which was suspected to be a forgery regarding the death of her husband in England before she was transported on the Buffalo 1833. I later found she was listed under her maiden name in Sydney Gaol awaiting being sent to female Factory 5 October 1835. Could that be because she was found out and the marriage I assume made invalid?? Abraham marries shortly after a Rose O'Donnell. > Did this happen often? Why even if stated that they thought note was a forgery they still allowed her to marry? > > > He also was granted land 1837 - 1839 on CSreLand but couldn't see where it was located. Would you know how to find where? > > > Thanks for that > Louise >

Hi Lesley Thanks for clearing that up for me re the Airds York 1822. Is there any records that would show more than native of Leeds Yorkshire on them so I can find a place of birth to try and find his birth and parents? I found on Trove that a letter addressed to Abraham Wade in Yorkshire England couldn't be sent due insufficient postage in September 1830, so I assume that Abraham father was also Abraham alive in Yorkshire still. Also, he was granted permission to marry a Sarah McDonald and they did 3 May 1834. There was a letter attached which was suspected to be a forgery regarding the death of her husband in England before she was transported on the Buffalo 1833. I later found she was listed under her maiden name in Sydney Gaol awaiting being sent to female Factory 5 October 1835. Could that be because she was found out and the marriage I assume made invalid?? Abraham marries shortly after a Rose O'Donnell. Did this happen often? Why even if stated that they thought note was a forgery they still allowed her to marry? He also was granted land 1837 - 1839 on CSreLand but couldn't see where it was located. Would you know how to find where? Thanks for that Louise

Hi Louise He received his TOL in 1828 - Number 28/153 and to remain in the district of Airds. The York portion of what you found was where he was tried eg. York (Leeds Boro) Quarter Session (22 April 182) - taken from my records What sort of other information are you after? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 17/08/2011 6:34 PM, Louise wrote: > Hi All > > Looking for any information on Abraham Wade who arrived as a convict. I found on the Archives online search that he arrived on the Eliza in 1822. It has ticket of leave in the remarks section: district: Airds York 1822. > Does this mean he got the ticket as soon as he arrived or shortly there after?? He got his certificate of freedom in 1830 on 16 September. > Any other information or links to further information would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks Louise >

Hi All Looking for any information on Abraham Wade who arrived as a convict. I found on the Archives online search that he arrived on the Eliza in 1822. It has ticket of leave in the remarks section: district: Airds York 1822. Does this mean he got the ticket as soon as he arrived or shortly there after?? He got his certificate of freedom in 1830 on 16 September. Any other information or links to further information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Louise

Hi Jenny, Perhaps one was conceived on board ? Have you checked the female factory records as yet? regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 16/08/2011 9:47 PM, Jenny W wrote: > Thanks Lesley. I wasn't sure if the muster was taken when they left or when they arrived. > > My quandary is that there are two sons, firstly James who's death cert says he was born in Ireland and a second Robert who's death cert say he was born at sea. Esther married ex-convict Patrick [aka John] Gillan per Tyne 1819, not long after she arrived in 1830. Both James and Robert at times used the Gillan surname although James most often stayed with Byrne [and variations] A third child Thomas Gillan was baptised in September 1831. > > If the child on board the Asia was the infant Robert, then I still have to find when son James arrived. James was born about 1825 and his death cert suggests about 1833. I know convict families were brought out, but would a single child come alone? Esther was a widow when she was convicted and I have found no other record of any family in the colony. > > If anyone else is researching this family, I have lots of information on Esther and Patrick/John Gillan including details of her third marriage in 1841 to George Hall and additional children she had with him. > > regards, > > Jenny W [Brisbane] > >

Hi Jenny Given that the muster taken on board when the Asia arrived in 1830 states she had one child on board, then I would think that she had only the one. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 16/08/2011 8:13 PM, Jenny W wrote: > I am interested in finding out if any infants were born to the convict women on board the ship Asia that arrived in PJ in January 1830. The National Archives Kew website has the surgeon's journal online but it only shows medical cases with no mention of births. I am hoping to confirm that Esther BYRNE, who is shown as having a child on board, also gave birth to a second child during the voyage. > > Any suggestions are welcomed. > > Regards, > > Jenny W [Brisbane] >

Thanks Lesley. I wasn't sure if the muster was taken when they left or when they arrived.   My quandary is that there are two sons, firstly James who's death cert says he was born in Ireland and a second Robert who's death cert say he was born at sea. Esther married ex-convict Patrick [aka John] Gillan per Tyne 1819,  not long after she arrived in 1830. Both James and Robert at times used the Gillan surname although James most often stayed with Byrne [and variations] A third child Thomas Gillan was baptised in September 1831.    If the child on board the Asia was the infant Robert, then I still have to find when son James arrived. James was born about 1825 and his death cert suggests about 1833. I know convict families were brought out, but would a single child come alone? Esther was a widow when she was convicted and I have found no other record of any family in the colony.   If anyone else is researching this family, I have lots of information on Esther and Patrick/John Gillan including details of her third marriage in 1841 to George Hall and additional children she had with him.   regards,   Jenny W [Brisbane]     Hi Jenny Given that the muster taken on board when the Asia arrived in 1830 states she had one child on board, then I would think that she had only the one. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 16/08/2011 8:13 PM, Jenny W wrote: > I am interested in finding out if any infants were born to the convict women on board the ship Asia that arrived in PJ in January 1830. The National Archives Kew website has the surgeon's journal online but it only shows medical cases with no mention of births. I am hoping to confirm that Esther BYRNE, who is shown as having a child on board, also gave birth to a second child during the voyage. > > Any suggestions are welcomed. > > Regards, > > Jenny W [Brisbane] > From: Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> To: Jenny W <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] Convict ship Asia 1829/30

I am interested in finding out if any infants were born to the convict women on board the ship Asia that arrived in PJ in January 1830. The National Archives Kew website has the surgeon's journal online but it only shows medical cases with no mention of births. I am hoping to confirm that Esther BYRNE, who is shown as having a child on board, also gave birth to a second child during the voyage.   Any suggestions are welcomed.   Regards,   Jenny W [Brisbane]

Thank you, I'm no longer interested in this book. Best regards.......Ian.

Hi Listers, Phillip Greentree wrote a book c.1995 called "They Stood Tall". Can SKS who has a copy, do a look-up for me? Best regards.......Ian Nicholls.

Hello, Not sure if anyone will be able to assist or provide some suggestions to overcome a 'brick wall'. I have an ancestor a John Bingham, he fathered 3 children in Sydney from 1838 to 1846. On his Daughters marriage certificate his occupation was/is listed as shoemaker. His partner was one Mary Bryce. I have not been able to find a marriage or death cert for him (not surprising given the time period). At my count there was 7 John Bingham's transported to NSW. I am attempting to cross match Any information in an attempt to rule out some John's and highlight other potentials. I have ruled out the following John Bingham's: JB (Recovery) - died 1860 Parramatta JB (Friendship) - died 1797 Sydney JB (Surry) - TIL in Bathurst These John Bingham's I am not sure where they ended up or when they died: JB (Earl Spencer) - Ticket of Leave claim in 1824, Parramatta JB (Barwell) - Conditional Pardon 1812 JB (Fortune) JB (Glatton) Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks Karen

Janine The muster taken on board when he arrived is available as part of the State Records of NSW ARK records. It is available on fiche. Regards LESLEY :) http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 12/08/2011 9:43 PM, Janine H wrote: > Thanks Leslie, > > Are the indents part of the AJCP? > > Cheers > Janine. >

Would they be available from the State Library in SA? Cheers Janine. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 9:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Tattoos Janine The muster taken on board when he arrived is available as part of the State Records of NSW ARK records. It is available on fiche. Regards LESLEY :) http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 12/08/2011 9:43 PM, Janine H wrote: > Thanks Leslie, > > Are the indents part of the AJCP? > > Cheers > Janine. > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Leslie, Are the indents part of the AJCP? Cheers Janine. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 6:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Tattoos Hi Janine The Indent does state that he was a Labourer and Soldier. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 12/08/2011 6:33 PM, Janine H wrote: > Thanks Leslie, > > I hadn't known James Skipper was a deserter until I read a report from the > Bedford Gaol Registers. James was convicted for stealing Mutton, but I'd be > interested to hear how to find out if in fact he was a soldier at some time. > > Cheers and thanks > Janine > ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janine The Indent does state that he was a Labourer and Soldier. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 12/08/2011 6:33 PM, Janine H wrote: > Thanks Leslie, > > I hadn't known James Skipper was a deserter until I read a report from the > Bedford Gaol Registers. James was convicted for stealing Mutton, but I'd be > interested to hear how to find out if in fact he was a soldier at some time. > > Cheers and thanks > Janine >

Thanks Leslie, I hadn't known James Skipper was a deserter until I read a report from the Bedford Gaol Registers. James was convicted for stealing Mutton, but I'd be interested to hear how to find out if in fact he was a soldier at some time. Cheers and thanks Janine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 12 August 2011 4:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Tattoos Hi Janine, It may have stood for deserter as at one time he had been a soldier. One of his previous convicts may have been the result of deserting. It is interesting that there were 26 convicts on the Maitland in 1840 who were transported for desertion. Have you checked to see if any of those had similar tattoos? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT

Hi Janine, It may have stood for deserter as at one time he had been a soldier. One of his previous convicts may have been the result of deserting. It is interesting that there were 26 convicts on the Maitland in 1840 who were transported for desertion. Have you checked to see if any of those had similar tattoos? Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 12/08/2011 2:12 PM, Janine H wrote: > Hi, > > Sometime ago there was an explanation about tattoos. My convict James > Skipper has a D on the left, MAGGS right arm, cross on left arm. I think > the D meant Deserter, but if someone would direct me to the archive where > this was discussed I'd appreciate it. > > Cheers > Janine.

Hi Janine This list has a generic landing page (as do all Rootsweb lists). You may find it here: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS.html It has a link to the search facility at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=AUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS Entering the word "Tattoos" in Suject brings up 33 entries. You may have to try variations like tatoos, tatts, markings, "cross on left arm" as the search is fairly sensitive. Maye this is what you recall? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/aus-pt-jackson-convicts/2010-12/1292233887 Go to the foot of the message and you can follow the thread. Another way is to use Google using the site: modifier. Enter the following into Google (or Scroogle https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi if you prefer to filter out the Google adds/spying stuff): Site:archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/aus-pt-jackson-convicts/ tattoos And up pops a selection list. Hopes this helps: On 12 August 2011 14:12, Janine H <[email protected]> wrote: ... explanation about tattoos. but if someone would direct me to the archive where > this was discussed I'd appreciate it.

Hi, Sometime ago there was an explanation about tattoos. My convict James Skipper has a D on the left, MAGGS right arm, cross on left arm. I think the D meant Deserter, but if someone would direct me to the archive where this was discussed I'd appreciate it. Cheers Janine.