Hi Listers, Re Mary Ann Hutchinson and her mother Ann Hutchinson, per "Mary Ann" 1891. Has anyone any idea of Ann Hutchinson's maiden name? Her daughter Mary Ann Hutchinson was born 23 May 1795. Regards, Charlotte

HI Elizabeth Many thanks for all your efforts. As far as i know there is two (only) different Susan or Susannah ROBERTS who came over on the Glatton in 1803. One was tried in Middlesex the other in Stafford. One was a Roberts by marriage (this one was Irish) and she left her husband back in London. So I'm trying to sort these two girls out What I have been trying to discover is if Susannah Roberts is my ancestor William BYRNES mother. So I have Michael BYRNE/BURN per Minerva arrived 1800 seems he was living with?? Susannah Roberts and from what you are saying Susannah has two sons in 1806. I will have to find out what month the census was taken. 1800-1802 Muster BURNE Michael S Time of Victualling 01 Jan 1802 In the 1822 Census there is a Michael Burne 16 BC Apprentice to Shaughnessey. William Burne 16 BC Servant Mr. BURNE Sydney. So this maybe twin sons to Michael and Susannah, but I just can't get a clear picture of this. I have in 1828's census my William living with his wife Nanno/Ann in Airds/Campbelltown two children Susannah and Michael and Also Williams brother Michael same age. So the boys are still together there. The below refers to either the Paracensus or Baptisms 1788-1828 held at the National library On another index I did find what might be the births of Michal and William. I guess the page was too damaged or writing to hard to read but it has. BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBETTS BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBERTS I doubt they were married as in another section I think in this "Old Register: one to nine: the registers of assignments and other legal instruments (NSW)" Michael is mentioned quite a few times, mainly to do with houses on Pitt/King Sts, but there is '1810 From Susan ROBERTS to Michael BYRNE- to realease all future claims on him.' So as you can see this Susannah Roberts/Byrne/Rogers is all over the place. I don't know which name she ended up with though. From what I can see it does seem that there is a good chance that Susannah is my William Byrnes mother, not conclusive though. I still can't quite work out the 1806 Census though where it say's BURN Michael S DO669 and then when you go to the page referred to it say's "Child abouve 2 years on Stores". So hard to work all this out really isn't it. That's enough of me waffling on anyway thanks for your help and time Elizabeth. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Betty Thanks for your reply, This is good news I think I will now take her off my list as she is obviously not the one who came over on the Glatton. Thanks kind regards Dianna

Have you checked how many Susan/na/h there were on the Glatton in 1803. The 1806 muster has three Susan/n/ah Roberts in the index with 4 referances, when checking the references it lists in Marsden's index two per Glatton with asterisks saying he made mistakes in the ships. In the other 1806 index they are listed as per William Pitt and Atlas 1; Living at/with Michael Burn with 2 sons and John Collins with 1 daughter respectively. The 1811 Muster lists two Susan/nah per the Glatton. I do not have the 1814 muster The 1822 Muster has Susannah Roberts FBS Glatton 7 years wife of Hugh Morrison repeated in the 1822 muster. There are 173 Susan/na/h in the 1828 census. Of the 173 Susan etc there are no Susan Roberts per Glatton There is a Susannah Rogers 56 per Glatton 1810 of Kent street who ran a lodging house with two female loggers. There is a Susannah Roberts 25 born colony catholic married to a John Roberts 27 TK catholic per Shipley 1820 dealer living at Isaac Moss publican Sydney. and Susan Miles 53 FS 1802 per Glatton 1802 protestant living with Aull family at Evan A search of marriages from 1800 to 1828 using just Susan gave 36 results for 30 marriages. Susanna gave 7 results for 6 marriages Susannah gave 125 results. Of possible interest. Susannah Smith m Ed Miles St Johns Parramatta 1803 V1803 251 147/1803 CB Susannah Miles married Simon Freebody 3A /1820 1820 2568 Susannah Roberts married William Kinnessy/Hinnesay 1812 V1812 1376 CB: V1812 227 1812 CA. Susannah Roberts married John Rogers V1815 17993A/1815 RE deaths don't forget that prior to 1856 the only deaths that were recorded were burials carried out by the parson when he remembered to record them and serving convicts deaths for the years records were kept. With Australia being a hot country pre refrigeration there was need to bury bodies quickly in the summer months. Hope this gives you something to work on Regards Elizabeth Roberts -----Original Message----- From: dianna charles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 29 August 2011 3:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] Susannah ROBERTS/ROGERS etc. Hi On the 1828 Census would it have the ship that my convict ancestor arrived on. Susannah ROGERS/ROBERTS/BYRNE is on the 1828 Census living in King St. Sydney. I'm trying to sort out the two different Susan/Susannah ROBERTS who arrived on the Glatton in 1803. I'm trying to find all marriages then deaths to the two Susannah Roberts. Hopefully I will come up with an answer. One of then the one who was tried in Middlesex was Irish and 18 when she arrived here. I believe ROBERTS may be her married name as she left a husband behind in London. So if anyone can offer some advice I would be very grateful. Kind regards Dianna

This Susannah (Moss) was born in Sydney in 1801 and married convict John Roberts. After his death she married William Williams alias Henry Thompson in 1830. Interestingly, her brothers married Byrne sisters. Regards Betty Candy -------------------------------------------------- From: "dianna charles" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:51 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PJ] Susannah ROBERTS/ROGERS etc. > Hi June > Thanks very much for your reply, this is quite a difficult one, it may > take some time to sort out. That's what I'm going through now all > possible > deaths for Susan or Susannah with all the different names she may have > been > married to (or de facto). I think she would have been born about 1775 > (around there sometime). > > Did you notice a marriage to a Williams/Thompson CJ in 1830. This > would make her around 55 ish when she married this guy. I did find one > Susannah Thompson who died in 1843 aged 65 but of course I don't know if > that is her or not and this burial certificate won't reveal much. > > Many thanks for your time though. Kind regards Dianna > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi June Thanks very much for your reply, this is quite a difficult one, it may take some time to sort out. That's what I'm going through now all possible deaths for Susan or Susannah with all the different names she may have been married to (or de facto). I think she would have been born about 1775 (around there sometime). Did you notice a marriage to a Williams/Thompson CJ in 1830. This would make her around 55 ish when she married this guy. I did find one Susannah Thompson who died in 1843 aged 65 but of course I don't know if that is her or not and this burial certificate won't reveal much. Many thanks for your time though. Kind regards Dianna

The following are from the Aust Vital Index Records- Perhaps one of them fits your research. Regards, June No marriages under the name of Susannah Roberts before 1887 ROBERTS, Susannah EM 836272 Marriage Spouse: HINNESSY, William Index Year: 1812 Reg Year: 1812 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V181222 7 Parish: Sydney, St Phillip's, Church of England ROBERTS, Susannah EM 836273 Marriage Spouse: KINNESSY, William Index Year: 1812 Reg Year: 1812 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V18121376 3A Parish: Parramatta, St John's, Church of England ROBERTS, Susannah EM 836274 Marriage Spouse: ROGERS, John Index Year: 1815 Reg Year: 1815 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V18151799 3A Parish: Parramatta, St John's, Church of England another possibility? : ROGERS, Susan EM 844595 Marriage Spouse: HILL, George Index Year: 1831 Reg Year: 1831 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V18311079 15 Parish: Sydney, St James', Church of England ROGERS, Susan EM 844596 Marriage Spouse: HILL, George Index Year: 1831 Reg Year: 1831 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: V18315309 3B Parish: Sydney, St James', Church of England Death possibility: ROBERTS, Susannah CD 759011 Death Father: Thomas Mother: Susannah Index Year: 1882 Reg Year: 1882 Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: 5610 No death matches under Rogers. or Byrne > Hi > > On the 1828 Census would it have the ship that my convict ancestor arrived > on. Susannah ROGERS/ROBERTS/BYRNE is on the 1828 Census living in King > St. > Sydney. > > I'm trying to sort out the two different Susan/Susannah ROBERTS who > arrived > on the Glatton in 1803. > > I'm trying to find all marriages then deaths to the two Susannah Roberts. > Hopefully I will come up with an answer. One of then the one who was > tried > in Middlesex was Irish and 18 when she arrived here. I believe ROBERTS > may > be her married name as she left a husband behind in London. > > So if anyone can offer some advice I would be very grateful. Kind > regards Dianna > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Could anyone please tell me if there is much information on a Certificate of Emancipation. I'm trying to find out as much information on my Susannah ROBERTS/BYRNE/ROGERS as I can and was curious to know if there is much to be learned from a Cof E. Many thanks Dianna

Hi On the 1828 Census would it have the ship that my convict ancestor arrived on. Susannah ROGERS/ROBERTS/BYRNE is on the 1828 Census living in King St. Sydney. I'm trying to sort out the two different Susan/Susannah ROBERTS who arrived on the Glatton in 1803. I'm trying to find all marriages then deaths to the two Susannah Roberts. Hopefully I will come up with an answer. One of then the one who was tried in Middlesex was Irish and 18 when she arrived here. I believe ROBERTS may be her married name as she left a husband behind in London. So if anyone can offer some advice I would be very grateful. Kind regards Dianna

Thanks for your persistence, Lesley! On 27 August 2011 13:51, Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have decided that this William may in fact be William Ockingham who > also arrived on that transport. > > Regards > > Lesley > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > > > email: [email protected] > > On 27/08/2011 1:06 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > > > I thought I would have another look at the 1828 NSW Census. Although > > not all convicts who were in the colony are listed, I am wondering if he > > is listed under the name of William Hockingham. It notes that this man > > arrived on the Marquis of Hastings in 1828 and received a 7 year > > sentence. It gives the age of 21 whereas William Longman was stated to > > be 24 on arrival a few monthys earlier.. > > > > There was no convict with the name Hockingham to arrive in any part of > > the colony. > > > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > > > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > > CLAIM A CONVICT > > > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have decided that this William may in fact be William Ockingham who also arrived on that transport. Regards Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 27/08/2011 1:06 PM, Lesley Uebel wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I thought I would have another look at the 1828 NSW Census. Although > not all convicts who were in the colony are listed, I am wondering if he > is listed under the name of William Hockingham. It notes that this man > arrived on the Marquis of Hastings in 1828 and received a 7 year > sentence. It gives the age of 21 whereas William Longman was stated to > be 24 on arrival a few monthys earlier.. > > There was no convict with the name Hockingham to arrive in any part of > the colony. > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > >

Hi Peter, I thought I would have another look at the 1828 NSW Census. Although not all convicts who were in the colony are listed, I am wondering if he is listed under the name of William Hockingham. It notes that this man arrived on the Marquis of Hastings in 1828 and received a 7 year sentence. It gives the age of 21 whereas William Longman was stated to be 24 on arrival a few monthys earlier.. There was no convict with the name Hockingham to arrive in any part of the colony. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 27/08/2011 10:36 AM, Peter O'Brien wrote: > Thanks Lesley > > I didn't find him on the 1828 Census either! > > I'm uncovering a pattern of behaviour that shows a likeness for 'the demon > drink' so I suspected he may have played up, but have no evidence to support > that. > > > Pete > > >

Thanks Lesley I didn't find him on the 1828 Census either! I'm uncovering a pattern of behaviour that shows a likeness for 'the demon drink' so I suspected he may have played up, but have no evidence to support that. Pete On 27 August 2011 09:26, Lesley Uebel <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Peter > > One reason may be is that he was happy working for the person to whom he > was assigned and therefore did not see a need to obtain a TOL. > > The Indent states he was assigned to Robert Crawford of Prospect > although I cannot find William on the 1828 NSW Census. > > Regards > Lesley Uebel > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > > > email: [email protected] > > On 27/08/2011 7:09 AM, Peter O'Brien wrote: > > My convict ancestor, William LONGMAN, arrived in 1828 on the Marquis of > > Hastings. > > > > William received his Certificate of Freedom in Decmeber 1834, at the > > expiration of his 7 year sentence. > > > > I haven't found any record of a TOL for William, so I'm wondering if any > > convict scholars would impute anything to the absence of a TOL. > > > > I haven't located any record of any Colonial misdeeds during his term, > but > > I'm curious if the lack of a TOL might be an indication that he was less > > than perfectly behaved? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Pete > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peter One reason may be is that he was happy working for the person to whom he was assigned and therefore did not see a need to obtain a TOL. The Indent states he was assigned to Robert Crawford of Prospect although I cannot find William on the 1828 NSW Census. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 27/08/2011 7:09 AM, Peter O'Brien wrote: > My convict ancestor, William LONGMAN, arrived in 1828 on the Marquis of > Hastings. > > William received his Certificate of Freedom in Decmeber 1834, at the > expiration of his 7 year sentence. > > I haven't found any record of a TOL for William, so I'm wondering if any > convict scholars would impute anything to the absence of a TOL. > > I haven't located any record of any Colonial misdeeds during his term, but > I'm curious if the lack of a TOL might be an indication that he was less > than perfectly behaved? > > Thanks. > > > Pete

My convict ancestor, William LONGMAN, arrived in 1828 on the Marquis of Hastings. William received his Certificate of Freedom in Decmeber 1834, at the expiration of his 7 year sentence. I haven't found any record of a TOL for William, so I'm wondering if any convict scholars would impute anything to the absence of a TOL. I haven't located any record of any Colonial misdeeds during his term, but I'm curious if the lack of a TOL might be an indication that he was less than perfectly behaved? Thanks. Pete

Hi Gladys Many thanks for your reply, someone has already kindly given me the details from the book on the Susan ROBERTS. Many thanks though. Dianna

Hi Dianna, I have a copy of The Women of Botany Bay at home. At the moment I am on holiday in Port Douglas, but we are flying home tomorrow. I am happy to have a look for you but it may not by until the weekend. Regards Gladys -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dianna charles Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 3:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] Portia Robinsons book Hi Everyone Would anyone have a copy of Portia Robinson's The Women of Botany Bay please. I would like to see if there is any reference to Susannah/Susan ROBERTS per Glatton arrived NSW IN 1802. There is two different Susannah/Susan ROBERTS both arrived on the Glatton at the same time and I'm trying to sort these two girls out. I still don't know if I'm descended from this Susannah Roberts or not yet. Many thanks kind regards Dianna ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3853 - Release Date: 08/23/11

Hi Everyone Would anyone have a copy of Portia Robinson's The Women of Botany Bay please. I would like to see if there is any reference to Susannah/Susan ROBERTS per Glatton arrived NSW IN 1802. There is two different Susannah/Susan ROBERTS both arrived on the Glatton at the same time and I'm trying to sort these two girls out. I still don't know if I'm descended from this Susannah Roberts or not yet. Many thanks kind regards Dianna

Hi Louise Are you aware that Abraham has been claimed by someone on my web site? When checking the IGI I found asnother person who is researching him. I will send this information by private email as it contains a phone number. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 19/08/2011 11:54 PM, Louise wrote: > Hi Lesley > > Thanks for all the help > Cheers > Louise >

Hi Lesley Thanks for all the help Cheers Louise