Someone told me that James Mudie of Castle Forbes fame, or infamy, had friends or some other connection with Georges River, but I have lost the reference. Can my correspondent or anyone else please help ? Ken Thompson

Hi Lorna, No, only what I can find on the internet. It was not a ship that carried convicts to PJ The State Records have the details of the people who arrived on this ship giving the names, ages, native place, religion and the fact that they were imported by Robert Howe. http://tinyurl.com/3j8m73d Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 9/09/2011 6:46 PM, Lorna prendergast wrote: > > hello Lesley > Have you any info on the ship Catherine jamieson travelling between UK and Australia probably late 19th Century please? The Robert King family are having a reunion next month and about all they seem to know about their forefathers is that the family travelled on this ship... > Thanks for all your information > Lorna Prendergast > >

Hi Jan I have checked various documents and CDs I have here but cannot find anything. I guess you have checked the newspapers? Have you checked the post 1825 Colonial Sec Index by Joan Reese (available on microfiche). It may be available at the State Library of WA. I cannot find absconding in the Government Gazettes. Does the Certificate of Freedom give any hints at all Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 9/09/2011 3:37 PM, Jan and Geoff Addison wrote: > > > William Andrews (7 years) per Bengal Merchant 1936. On the 1837 N.S.W. muster of convicts he is shown as assigned to W. Cox Esq. Richmond. > > The next record I find for him is receiving his Certificate of Freedom July 1845 in the Darling Downs 9 1/2 years after he was sentenced. I haven't found a ticket of leave or any other documentation. If he was reassigned to another person would there be records of this? > > Any suggestions as to how he may have turned up in the Darling Downs without a TOL. > > Thanks, > > Jan, Perth.

Hi Lesley, I have checked the newspapers and there are several William Andrews mentioned but I don't think any are him. There's nothing on the Certificate of Freedom which gives a clue and I'm pretty sure I checked the 1825 index early in my research but will go though it again to be sure. He was in Warwick with the Leslie's in the very early days of the settlement. Perhaps he was assigned to them but it seems those records no longer exist. Thanks for checking your resourses and your suggestions. Your help is much appreciated. Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Uebel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [PJ] William Andrews > Hi Jan > > I have checked various documents and CDs I have here but cannot find > anything. > > I guess you have checked the newspapers? > > Have you checked the post 1825 Colonial Sec Index by Joan Reese > (available on microfiche). It may be available at the State Library of WA. > > I cannot find absconding in the Government Gazettes. > > Does the Certificate of Freedom give any hints at all > > Regards > > Lesley Uebel > > > > http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html > CLAIM A CONVICT > > > email: [email protected] > > On 9/09/2011 3:37 PM, Jan and Geoff Addison wrote: >> >> >> William Andrews (7 years) per Bengal Merchant 1936. On the 1837 >> N.S.W. muster of convicts he is shown as assigned to W. Cox Esq. >> Richmond. >> >> The next record I find for him is receiving his Certificate of Freedom >> July 1845 in the Darling Downs 9 1/2 years after he was sentenced. I >> haven't found a ticket of leave or any other documentation. If he was >> reassigned to another person would there be records of this? >> >> Any suggestions as to how he may have turned up in the Darling Downs >> without a TOL. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jan, Perth. > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Lesley' Yes he was up in the Hunter from what I can gather. Came through Raymond Terrace yesterday, could not find much written on the very early land holdings. Kath -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Uebel Sent: Friday, 9 September 2011 2:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Re certificate Of Freedom Hi Kath, I don't know as I don't have a copy. If he had been up in the Hunter Valley then quite possibly. Regards Lesley Uebel body of the message

Hi Kath, I don't know as I don't have a copy. If he had been up in the Hunter Valley then quite possibly. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 9/09/2011 2:32 PM, Kath Connors wrote: > Dear Lesley, > > > > May I ask for your assistance again please. > > > > I have an old Certificate of Freedom and the print is hard to read. > > Certificate No. 39/1003. 22nd July 1839 > > John Hughes came on the "GUILDFORD 1829 > > My query, he was to be sent to ?????? 17th day 1841. > > Does it read Merton Bench,? I am just trying to follow where was he at this > time. > > Many Thanks > > Kath. > >

Dear Lesley, May I ask for your assistance again please. I have an old Certificate of Freedom and the print is hard to read. Certificate No. 39/1003. 22nd July 1839 John Hughes came on the "GUILDFORD 1829 My query, he was to be sent to ?????? 17th day 1841. Does it read Merton Bench,? I am just trying to follow where was he at this time. Many Thanks Kath.

William Andrews (7 years) per Bengal Merchant 1936. On the 1837 N.S.W. muster of convicts he is shown as assigned to W. Cox Esq. Richmond. The next record I find for him is receiving his Certificate of Freedom July 1845 in the Darling Downs 9 1/2 years after he was sentenced. I haven't found a ticket of leave or any other documentation. If he was reassigned to another person would there be records of this? Any suggestions as to how he may have turned up in the Darling Downs without a TOL. Thanks, Jan, Perth.

hello Lesley Have you any info on the ship Catherine jamieson travelling between UK and Australia probably late 19th Century please? The Robert King family are having a reunion next month and about all they seem to know about their forefathers is that the family travelled on this ship... Thanks for all your information Lorna Prendergast

Hi Margaret The John Burn who arrived on the Hindostan in 1821 was only 18 when he arrived. The 1828 NSW Census states he was 22 in 1828! and not living with a wife Given that you state that his grandchildren ? were born from 1832 onwards it makes for very very young parents Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 3/09/2011 5:53 PM, Geoff and Margaret Bell wrote: > re 0995082626 "H" convicts 2001 > > This is the first time I have tried to reply, so sorry if stuffed up. Gill Griffiths posted a note on John Byrnes and Elizabeth Barnes in 2001. The link he provided no longer works. Can anybody provide any information on this couple and their parents? We are related through their daughter Catherine who maried Abraham Newling, a free settler. > > I can find 7 birth records that I am confident belong to them - 1832 William, 1834 Jeremiah, 1836 John, 1840 catherine, 1846 Harriot, 1850 Joseph and 1856 Elizabeth. > > Apparently John Byrnes' father came out as John Burn on the "Hindostan", but no details were given on his mother. > > Elizabeth parents were given as William Barnes, on the "Barwick" in 1798, and Ann Hewlett, on the "Canada" in 1809. > > Any information would be appreciated > > > Margaret

re 0995082626 "H" convicts 2001 This is the first time I have tried to reply, so sorry if stuffed up. Gill Griffiths posted a note on John Byrnes and Elizabeth Barnes in 2001. The link he provided no longer works. Can anybody provide any information on this couple and their parents? We are related through their daughter Catherine who maried Abraham Newling, a free settler. I can find 7 birth records that I am confident belong to them - 1832 William, 1834 Jeremiah, 1836 John, 1840 catherine, 1846 Harriot, 1850 Joseph and 1856 Elizabeth. Apparently John Byrnes' father came out as John Burn on the "Hindostan", but no details were given on his mother. Elizabeth parents were given as William Barnes, on the "Barwick" in 1798, and Ann Hewlett, on the "Canada" in 1809. Any information would be appreciated Margaret

Hi Grahame Many thanks for your reply, that's interesting re Michael Burn, So this maybe him coming back to Port Jackson and then he was in trouble September 1805 apparently sent there (again?). So now I'm trying to find out when he came back after he was sent there in September 1805. He bought property in Sydney in 1805 as well so he was really on the go. Many thanks I will try and find some of the books on Norfolk. kind regards Dianna

Hi Dianna You could try looking up several books on the early history of Norfolk Island. "Forgotten Generation of Norfolk Island and Van Diemens Land" by Reg Wright, on page 102 under the heading Convicts to Port Jackson from Norfolk Island on HMS Investigator - 28 February 1805 - Harrington 23 February 1805, list includes a Michael Burn. No Michael Hayes or Sutton in the general index. No source given that I could see. cheers Grahame On 01/09/2011, at 4:12 PM, dianna charles wrote: > HI Lesley > Thanks for the advice, I won't bother putting any more requests on this > list I don't think. I will try another avenue to find out when Michael > returned back from Norfolk Island this is really important to me sorry to > bother you Dianna > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Lesley Thanks for the advice, I won't bother putting any more requests on this list I don't think. I will try another avenue to find out when Michael returned back from Norfolk Island this is really important to me sorry to bother you Dianna

Dianna It was usual for a convict in receipt of a CP not being allowed to return to the place where they were convicted. Both Matthew Sutton and Michale Hayes were Lifers whereas Michael Burn initally received a 7 year sentence and would have been free to return home if he wished on the expiration of his original sentence. You selected just a few words from the Colonial Sec. Report - so it is a bit difficult to comment on it. Removing to another dependance, in my opinion, just means that they could remove to say VDL. I don't know what their sentence for illicit distilling was although in a Proclamation dated 15 June 1806 it does state that people convicted would be fined Four Hundred Pounds Sterling and imprisoned for the term of six calendar months in the county gaol. The three men convicted were all sent to Norfolk Island - perhaps they could not stump up the cash???? These three men all returned here by 1808 and that was a time when we had two Administrator Governors and then another in January 1809 - records were not well kept during that time and also many pardons and land given to some were overturned by Governor Macquarie on his arrival in 1810. Re: > BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBETTS > BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBERTS. As it is from the Paracensus I cannot really help you out there. I believe that the Paracensus is made up of records from all sorts of places so it may not actually come from a church record. There are also a lot of assumptions made in the Paracansus. As the childrens names are not mentioned it may just be taken from the 1806 Muster as Susan Roberts is listed as having two children. Dianna, you write to so many lists with the same questions and in some cases give more information on some lists than on others - some of these questions have aleady been answered weeks ago - it may be worth going through all the replies you have been given to date and consolidating them. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 1/09/2011 9:04 AM, dianna charles wrote: > Hi Lesley > Many thanks for your reply, firstly I don't know how long Michael > Burn/Byrne was sent there for as it doesn't say the time in the Colonial > Secretaries report I read yesterday. > > Was there any specific times periods that these guys would be sent > for similar to the original 7, 14 10 and life sentences? It says in the > Colonial Secretaries report "They may remove to any other Dependance on this > territory, but cannot be allowed to return here - Burne may leave the colony > altogether being a free-man." > > Strange how it say's "They may remove to any other Dependance" does that > seem a little odd to you?? > > This has also been found: Thought you find it of interest as I'm trying to > find out who my Williams mother was (he being born we think now in 1806. > > BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBETTS > BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBERTS > > This is from 1788-1828 Baptisms/Paracensus. I'm trying to track down now > which church it was taken from. Many thanks and much appreciation for your > help. Dianna > >

Hi Lesley Many thanks for your reply, firstly I don't know how long Michael Burn/Byrne was sent there for as it doesn't say the time in the Colonial Secretaries report I read yesterday. Was there any specific times periods that these guys would be sent for similar to the original 7, 14 10 and life sentences? It says in the Colonial Secretaries report "They may remove to any other Dependance on this territory, but cannot be allowed to return here - Burne may leave the colony altogether being a free-man." Strange how it say's "They may remove to any other Dependance" does that seem a little odd to you?? This has also been found: Thought you find it of interest as I'm trying to find out who my Williams mother was (he being born we think now in 1806. BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBETTS BURN............Father Michael Mother Susan ROBERTS This is from 1788-1828 Baptisms/Paracensus. I'm trying to track down now which church it was taken from. Many thanks and much appreciation for your help. Dianna

Dianna On the day that Michael Byrne (Burn) was convicted, so were Michael Hayes and Matthew Sutton - all for illicit distilling and all (according to the Sydney Gazette) were to be sent to another settlement. The following is from the State Records Colonial Sec. Index. HAYES, Michael. Per "Friendship", 1800; merchant Transported in 1800 per "Friendship"; he received a conditional pardon in June 1803 but was sent to Norfolk Island in September 1805 for illicit distilling; he returned to Sydney in 1808 and received a free pardon; he obtained a wine and spirit licence in 1810 and was granted land at Airds in 1812; he was involved in the movement to allow Roman Catholics the right to practise their religion; he was drowned in September 1825. By about October 1808 (from memory) most of the people living on Norfolk Island had left due to the difficulties of the governtment maintaining the Island. Only a small number remained until it was finally closed in 1813/14.... until it opened again as a convict settlement in 1825. Regards Lesley Uebel http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 1/09/2011 6:49 AM, dianna charles wrote: > Hi everyone > Can someone tell me if there is a way of finding out when my Michael > BYRNE came back from Norfolk Island he was sent there in September 30 1805. > I'm still trying to pint point when his son's were born in 1806. > > I looked at the microfilm reel yesterday in reference to his being sent > away but it does not state how long for. This was also recorded in the > newspaper. Any help much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna

Hi everyone Can someone tell me if there is a way of finding out when my Michael BYRNE came back from Norfolk Island he was sent there in September 30 1805. I'm still trying to pint point when his son's were born in 1806. I looked at the microfilm reel yesterday in reference to his being sent away but it does not state how long for. This was also recorded in the newspaper. Any help much appreciated. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Listers. Re Hutchinson, Sorry, but I put the wrong date of birth for Mary Ann Hutchinson. she was born 1765 , Holborn London. I am looking for Ann Hutchinson's maiden name as I understand her husband was John Hutchinson. Thanks , Charlotte

Hi Charlotte Do you know if Ann was married? I assume you meant 1791. I see John Cobley's book Sydney Cove 1795-1800, an Ann Hutchinson married Richard Porter on 8 Oct 1797. cheers Grahame On 30/08/2011, at 4:49 PM, Charlotte Smith wrote: > Hi Listers, > Re Mary Ann Hutchinson and her mother Ann Hutchinson, per "Mary Ann" 1891. > > Has anyone any idea of Ann Hutchinson's maiden name? Her daughter Mary Ann Hutchinson was born 23 May 1795. > > Regards, > Charlotte > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message