Henry FOSS arrived as a convict on the Fortune in January 1806 after being found guilty of being in possession of forged bank notes from the Bank Of England,He was sentenced to 14 years transportation.His wife Ann FOSS alias HAYNES was convicted of uttering a bank of England Bank note and arrived on the ship William Pitt. In October 1816 Henry FOSS is on a list of Prisoner's to be sent to Newcastle on the Brig Lady Nelson. He was sentenced to 3 years. While Henry was in Newcastle his wife married Benjamin SMITH using her alias"HAYNES"on 28 Sept 1818. Henry FOSS wrote in his Will that his wife was a bigamist and that she had married and was living with Benjamin SMITH. Henry was back in Sydney in March 1819 as he was charged with forcible entry and stealing from Benjamin SMITH, Henry FOSS died 19 April 1819 in Sydney aged 57. Can anyone please help me find out what Henry FOSS would have done to be sentenced to 3 years in Newcastle? Thank you, Katrina

Hi Does anyone have an interest in THOMAS GORHAM arrived 15/9/1834 on 'Roslyn Castle' and sent to Port Macquarie. Apparently Thomas was an Attorney sentenced to life for Forgery. My interest is he was a witness to the Wedding of my convict John Lawrence & Rosannah Cartwright in 1850. I am interested in knowing what happened to him. thanks Derek

Thomas ANDREWS - convicted at Shrewsbury Assizes for the theft of 40 shillings from a dwelling house; 7 years; arrived Admiral Barrington 1791 (GGG grandfather) Phoebe TUNSTALL - tried 17 Sep 1800, committed to Newgate 30 Jul 1800; sentenced to death for coining; pardoned & transported for life; arrived Nile 1801 (GGG grandmother) David FOLEY - convicted with three others in March 1817 in County Cork for "felony wounding"; transported for life; arrived Guildford 1818 (GG grandfather) Adam MOORE - convicted stealing 18lbs oatmeal from John Miller, County Antrim; 7 years; arrived NSW Augusta Jessie 24 Feb 1840, arrived Norfolk Island 27 Mar 1840, departed NI 14 Feb 1844 and sent to Hobart 3 Mar 1844 (GG grandfather) (Moore's partner Charlotte KERR aka RICHARDSON was convicted 13 Jan 1841, County Tyrone, for larceny from the person; 7 years but was transported directly to Hobart on the Mexborough so is out of the purview of this list. - GG grandmother) cheers Anne Miller -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PO Box 547 Kingaroy 4610 P: (07) 4163 6854 F: (07) 4163 6856 M: 0419 739 689 S: AMPublishing2006 E: [email protected]

Sorry to hear the RAOGK is shutting down .. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/10/random-acts-of-genealogy-kindness-raogk-will-be-offline-for-some-time.html regards, Maree Larsen Hobart

Hi Sherrie, Just wondering if the Berry line is Francis Berry, baker, arrived on the John Barry Carleen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherrie Blackman Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011 3:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] John Patrick Wood b 1845 Camden d 1911 CWl Hi Rhonda, Aunt's Husband's tree. lol We have chatted years ago, as the Woods are inter-connected through the Monks, Gorham, Shepherd, Croker, Carr, Berry, Berrell/Burrell branches. Kind regards, Sherrie. On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:11:22 +1000, RhondaB <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sherrie > John Patrick Wood's father was Thomas Wood and Mary McInerney m 1837 St. > Mary's Catholic Church Sydney, the first 3 kids were not baptised -no > priest, then the next three all on the same day. Thomas Wood died Grenfell 1873 buried at Young. She is buried there with him. > What is your connection to them?? Happy to swap details. > Now going to look at the ship "Dick" matches details on his death cert. > Cheers Rhonda > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Maureen Just Google " The John Cross Story" Jan Morrissey > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:17:15 +1100 > From: "Maureen Player" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PJ] My Convicts > To: <[email protected]> > > Hello Lesley and List, > > These are my convicts so far. I have one yet to be confirmed. Would love > to > hear from anyone with connections to any or all. > John Cross Alexander 1788 > Mary Davison Lady Juliana 1790 > Edward Riley Scarborough 1790 > Elizabeth Mitchell Mary Ann 1791 > Pierce Collitts Minorca 1791 > Mary Stevens Earl Cornwallis 1801 > Mary Bellass Alexander 1806 > Michael Scott Prince Regent II 1821 > Robert Cundy Lady Harewood 1832 > George Troth Mangles 1833 > Henry Fowler Westmoreland 1835 > Thomas Fowler Marion 1848 (Port Phillip) > > Sorry it looks a bit like a dog's breaky; I can't seem to get the tabs > working properly. Cheers, Maureen. > > > > > ---------------------- > To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Maureen, Regarding John Cross 'Alexander' 1788 you have mentioned in your message: Have you heard of the stonemason Ray Collins-Cross? You can look him up on the Internet under First Fleet Memorial Gardens at Wallabadah NSW (near Scone/Muswellbrook) and I think he will be able to tell you a good deal more about John Cross. Best wishes, Barbara Corrigan. Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:17:15 +1100 From: "Maureen Player" <[email protected]> Subject: [PJ] My Convicts To: <[email protected]> Hello Lesley and List, These are my convicts so far. I have one yet to be confirmed. Would love to hear from anyone with connections to any or all. John Cross Alexander 1788 Mary Davison Lady Juliana 1790 Edward Riley Scarborough 1790 Elizabeth Mitchell Mary Ann 1791 Pierce Collitts Minorca 1791 Mary Stevens Earl Cornwallis 1801 Mary Bellass Alexander 1806 Michael Scott Prince Regent II 1821 Robert Cundy Lady Harewood 1832 George Troth Mangles 1833 Henry Fowler Westmoreland 1835 Thomas Fowler Marion 1848 (Port Phillip) Sorry it looks a bit like a dog's breaky; I can't seem to get the tabs working properly. Cheers, Maureen.

Hi all, My known convicts are - David Brown - per Pitt in 1792 Benjamin Yates per Mangles in 1824 James Winton per Larkins in 1817 Silvester Lillis per Earl of St Vincent in 1823- married Sally Kelly below in 1845 Sally Kelly per Isabella in 1840 - married Silvester Lillis in 1845 Hannah Lisson nee Andrews per William and Ann in 1791 - mother of Thomas Lisson below Thomas Lisson per Royal Admiral in 1792 Ann Bradwell/Bridwell per Experiment in 1804 - married Thomas Lisson - Ann took up with Isaac Gorrick in 1814/1815. Isaac Gorrick was a convict on Atlantic in 1791. Ann is named as Ann Leeson in 1841 census. Christine

Hello Lesley and List, These are my convicts so far. I have one yet to be confirmed. Would love to hear from anyone with connections to any or all. John Cross Alexander 1788 Mary Davison Lady Juliana 1790 Edward Riley Scarborough 1790 Elizabeth Mitchell Mary Ann 1791 Pierce Collitts Minorca 1791 Mary Stevens Earl Cornwallis 1801 Mary Bellass Alexander 1806 Michael Scott Prince Regent II 1821 Robert Cundy Lady Harewood 1832 George Troth Mangles 1833 Henry Fowler Westmoreland 1835 Thomas Fowler Marion 1848 (Port Phillip) Sorry it looks a bit like a dog's breaky; I can't seem to get the tabs working properly. Cheers, Maureen

Hi Gloria Is your John Perrin related to the Perrin's of Kempsey? Derek > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:58:25 -0700 > From: "Glor Murphy" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PJ] My Convicts > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Listers, > I am new to this but I have a few convicts in my list that may be of > interest: > > > 1. Anthony Rope First Fleet "Alexander" > 2. Elizabeth Pulley First Fleet "Friendship" and "Prince of Wales". > 3. Thomas Frost "Indian" 1810 > 4. John Perrin "Admiral Gambier" 1808 > 5. John Gibbons "Surry" 1836 > 6. Samuel Rawson "Atlas" 1819 > 7. Patrick Grady "Brampton" 1822 > > Gloria from Coffs >

A CNN perspective... http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/10/19/pkg-aus-rare-book.cbc ----- Original Message ----- From: flora.1 To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Library pays $1.75m for historical album >THE State Library of NSW has won its campaign to bring a unique album of 35 convict era watercolours ''home'' to Australia after paying $1.75 million at an auction in Canada in the early hours of yesterday.< Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/library-pays-175m-for-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html#ixzz1b6fdAy61 http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/library-pays-175m-for-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html

Welcome Glor Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glor Murphy Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 3:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] My Convicts Hello Listers, I am new to this but I have a few convicts in my list that may be of interest: 1. Anthony Rope First Fleet "Alexander" 2. Elizabeth Pulley First Fleet "Friendship" and "Prince of Wales". 3. Thomas Frost "Indian" 1810 4. John Perrin "Admiral Gambier" 1808 5. John Gibbons "Surry" 1836 6. Samuel Rawson "Atlas" 1819 7. Patrick Grady "Brampton" 1822 Gloria from Coffs ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11

Thank you Lesley for allowing members to list "their convicts" because we never know when we are going to make contact with someone in our tree! Even though it has been done before, new listers join and I think it is worthwhile listing our interests about once a year. Cheers, June

Hello Listers, I am new to this but I have a few convicts in my list that may be of interest: 1. Anthony Rope First Fleet "Alexander" 2. Elizabeth Pulley First Fleet "Friendship" and "Prince of Wales". 3. Thomas Frost "Indian" 1810 4. John Perrin "Admiral Gambier" 1808 5. John Gibbons "Surry" 1836 6. Samuel Rawson "Atlas" 1819 7. Patrick Grady "Brampton" 1822 Gloria from Coffs

Hi listers Martha (or Mary) Jennett (or Gennett) was tried at the Bristol January 1801 Quarter Sessions and sentenced to seven years transportation. She is listed as Mary Gennett on the Nile which arrived at Port Jackson in December 1801. What became of her? Regards

Yes, truth is stranger than fiction, they say! What hard lives they had. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisa Apfel Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 3:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Convicts Update- Samuel HOWELL, Ann GERMAINE, Bishop THOMPSON and Bridget McCARTHY/CARTY Kerrie I think if they were written as movies they would be almost too unbelievable! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kerrie Pimm Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 3:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Convicts Update- Samuel HOWELL, Ann GERMAINE, Bishop THOMPSON and Bridget McCARTHY/CARTY Brilliant work Lisa, sorting out all those threads. Many hard times they had, each life worth a movie. Kerrie. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisa Apfel Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011 7:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] Convicts Update- Samuel HOWELL, Ann GERMAINE, Bishop THOMPSON and Bridget McCARTHY/CARTY Listers, I hope you will indulge me by allowing me to tell the tale of this group of convicts. After many years of investigating them I now feel I have enough information about them to tell part of their story. I have been trying to unravel the facts behind Samuel Howell and Ann Germaine for so long that I cringe when I look at some of the ideas I had in earlier posts. Not to worry though, without those silly ideas I may never have doggedly pursued the questions to a point of finding a plausible explanation. Samuel Howell arrived as part of the deadly Second Fleet. On board the Scarborough we can only imagine the state he was in when he arrived. He was originally sentenced to death for burglary in March 1789 at Winchester but was shown "mercy" and had this sentence commuted to transportation for life. After this bad start we find him working with "diligence and strict attention to his duty as a principal in the night watch" only two years after his arrival. This work ethic lead to him obtaining a conditional pardon in 1800 from Governor Hunter. His occupation in 1800 is listed as a constable. During this time he met a convict by the name of Ann Germaine with whom he had four children (one boy yet to be identified) Henry born 1794, Maria born 1797 and Hannah born 1803. Ann Germaine was tried at Norwich in July 1790. She arrived with the Third Fleet on board the 'Mary Ann' on 9th July 1791. Coincidentally, Mary Jones who was tried at Winchester as Samuel Howell's co-accused was also on board. On the 15th January 1792 only seven months after her arrival Ann's daughter was baptised as Margaret Tambleton (father's name Thomas). So it appears as if Ann became involved in an on board liaison with Thomas Tambleton a seaman on the 'Mary Ann'. Margaret died less than two months later. In 1800 we find Ann in the muster directly after Samuel Howell this is the first evidence we have of the two together. In April 1805 we find a notice in The Sydney Gazette where Samuel is telling the public not to give any credit to his wife because he won't be responsible for it. Effectively showing they had split-up. Also in 1805 we find that Ann had moved to Windsor and given birth to a baby named Charles Thompson whose father was Bishop Thompson. Now this relationship was probably not a new one! When I dug a little deeper I found that Bishop Thompson was tried at Norwich in July 1790-THE SAME PLACE AND DATE AS ANN. So who was Bishop Thompson? Well he arrived on the 'William and Ann' on the 28th August, 1791. About six weeks after Ann. We find him at the Hawkesbury in 1799 where he was involved in an aboriginal shooting case. In 1800 he is Free By Servitude and renting 20 acres from Palmer at Hawkesbury. When Ann joined him at the Hawkesbury she appears to have taken all the children with her. As we find her listed in Rev Marsden's female muster of 1806 with 2 girls and 3 boys. However this was not to be the end of the story. Ann appears to have given birth in 1808 to a daughter Sophia. Sophia was to be known as Sophia Bishop in later documents. Sometime after this though Ann met another man J. Eagar with whom she had another child at Windsor. I believe this child referred to in 1822 as unnamed Germaine, was Dinah Howell born in 1810. In 1810 Ann was 40 not leaving much more time for having children! J. Eagar/Egg: Possibly John Agar who arrived on the Britannia in 1797. Sentenced to life. In 1806 he had a TOL and was self-employed. He died in 1810 at the age of 42. If this is the J. Eagar who married Ann Germain then it helps explain some of the children moving back to Samuel after John's death in 1810. It also explains the transformation of the name Agar to Eagar and finally Egg. John was Irish and his accent would have contributed to the misinterpretation. This combined with the time elapsed since his death to when Ann mentions Eagar (12 years later in the 1822 Muster) and finally when Dinah goes by the name Egg (15 years later in the 1825 Muster). In June 1811 Ann received a land grant at the Hawkesbury but then in September tragedy stuck when her son Charles Thompson was burned and died aged six. Sometime between 1806 and 1815 some of Ann's children moved back to Sydney. Henry and Maria would have been of working ages from about 1810. It makes sense that if Ann was single during this time she would send Samuel's children back to him (Henry, Maria and Hannah). In 1814 we find Ann at Windsor listed with two children (possibly Sophia and Dinah) and saying she is the wife of Samuel Howell. Again adding weight to the argument she was single because Samuel was still in Sydney. In 1822 Ann is listed as Germain with one child who was in all likelihood Dinah as Sophia had moved to Sydney and was working for Maria's husband (William Bruce). Similarly Henry and Hannah were also married at this point. Ann died at Windsor in 1823 aged 53 leaving a 13 year old Dinah. Hannah married Thomas Dean in 1820 and I believe that Hannah was the only sibling in the area at the time to watch out for Dinah. As such we find Dinah Egg (born in the colony) was working for Thomas Dean at Melville in 1825. The young Dinah was married at 15 with Hannah as a witness in 1825. Bishop Thompson stayed in the Hawkesbury area gaining a land grant in 1821 and again in 1825 at Richmond. By 1828 at the age of 52 he was a labourer to Peter Hough of Richmond. No further record of him has been found. In the meantime Samuel Howell who had split up from his wife in 1805, was a new father again by August 1809 to a son James. James' mother was Ann Martin. Unfortunately James died before reaching 3 months of age and was buried on the 1st November. No further trace of Ann Martin has been found however in February 1810 we find a notice in the paper of Samuel intending to the leave the colony in the brig 'Experiment'. Something appears to have changed his mind though, because we find him still in Sydney working as a blacksmith in 1814. Could the something have been the need to support his children who had moved back to Sydney? In 1815 Samuel is a witness at Maria's marriage. His son Henry also married in 1815 at Sydney. Samuel now began a relationship with Bridget McCarthy/Carty per the "Alexander" who arrived 4th April 1816. Their first child was born in 1817 (Mary), followed by Samuel in 1819, John in 1821 and William in 1822. Alas for Samuel though he was in for more troubling times. In 1822 Bridget Howell was indicted as an accessory after the fact in the murder of Samuel and Esther Bradley as well as with having stolen property in her possession. She was found not guilty that time. Then in April 1828 she received a colonial sentence for receiving stolen goods and was sentenced to transportation for 14 years. However, she appears to have remained in NSW as she is found at the female factory at Parramatta in 1829 and 1830. Having Bridget sitting in gaol awaiting trial in 1822 Samuel was left with four small children (including a newborn) to look after whilst employed by Simeon Lord. By 1825 Samuel was working as a blacksmith with only Mary and Samuel jnr having survived. Things continued to be very hard for Samuel. With Bridget at the female factory in 1828 his son Samuel was sent out from the family as a lodger at just eight years of age. Samuel now 63 was living with his daughter Maria's family and was listed as a blacksmith for her husband. Mary's whereabouts at this time are unknown. Samuel died in 1835 at the age of 70 and probably having never seeing Bridget again. Bridget Howell had other brushes with the law. Being violently assaulted in 1825, her attacker Samuel Harris getting one month because Bridget gave him "some provocation". Whilst spending her time at the Female Factory she was invariably reprimanded. The first time for quarrelling and bad language and the second for disobedience and insolence. She would have been due for release in 1842. About 1845 Bridget started living with Patrick Stafford a butcher. However, by 1851 we again find her at the centre of another murder trial. This time the victim Dennis Barrett another butcher who had recently started living with Bridget was killed by Patrick Stafford. Left alone we next find Bridget in 1857 using the name Howell again and stating Samuel is her husband even though he had been dead for some 22 years. She may be the Bridget McCarthy who died aged 80 in 1860. As a footnote other convicts associated with the family are: William Perry per the "Lord Eldon" married Dinah Howell in Windsor on the 5/12/1825. William had arrived in 1817 with a life sentence. After working on the gaol gang at Windsor in 1822 he was found working for R. Fitzgerald at Windsor from 1825 to 1828. He and Dinah went on to have five children. Richard Kippax per the "Indefatigable" of 1815 was the second spouse of Hannah Howell. He was a wheelwright at Windsor. They had three sons together. He was another "lifer". They married at St James' church in Pitt Town on the 6/5/1832. Richard died in 1839. Phillip Thorowgood alias Toogood was sentenced to 14 years and was the third spouse of Hannah Howell. He arrived on the "Phoenix" in 1828. William Hill per the "Ganges" 1797 was sentenced to life and was the father of Mary Hill. Mary Hill married Henry Howell in 1815. William was the superintendent of the government slaughter house in 1822 and by 1828 at the age of 61 is listed as both a butcher and publican. He was the father of at least seven children. He was called as a witness in the 1822 trial of Bridget Howell in his capacity as the superintendent. Ann Thompson alias Bruce alias Robertson arrived on the "Britannia" in 1798. She is the only match found to date as the possible mother of William Bruce. William who married Maria Howell stated he came free on the "Britannia" of 1798 in the 1828 Census. He would have been about three years old at the time of his arrival. In 1801 we find Ann Thompson of the Britannia" at Parramatta and off stores. She may be the Ann Roberson (sic) who died in 1806 as no further information has been found on her. If so William was left without any parents at the age of 12. We find William in 1814 as a servant at Sydney. 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Hi Wayne Thank you. It was also mentioned in one of the papers yesterday or Sunday and I noted they had Joseph arriving in the wrong year. When Joseph was in Newcastle Gov. Macquarie stated that he was "to be strictly watched at Newcastle as he was notorious for forgeries" He received an Absolute Pardon in 1821 and left the colony in 1822 with his daughters. The Monitor, dated 16 April 1828 - and I think it may be the same person FORGED NOTES.-Last week the constables of Birmingham proceeded to the house of an engraver, named Lycett, in Bath-row, in that town, to search for forged notes, and in one of the upstairs rooms found newly-prepared £1. plate, of the Stourbridge and Bramsgrove Bank, with a facsimile of the signature, entry, number, and date. Lycett, alarmed at the consequences, cut his throat; but he was removed, to the hosptital, and it is expected he will recover. His daughter, who was found with him in the house, is also in custody. Slow learner :) but great artist Regards Lesley http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [email protected] On 18/10/2011 4:03 PM, flora.1 wrote: >> THE State Library of NSW has won its campaign to bring a unique album of 35 convict era watercolours ''home'' to Australia after paying $1.75 million at an auction in Canada in the early hours of yesterday.< > > Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/library-pays-175m-for-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html#ixzz1b6fdAy61 > > http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/library-pays-175m-for-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html

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Kerrie I think if they were written as movies they would be almost too unbelievable! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:aus-pt-jac[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kerrie Pimm Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011 3:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PJ] Convicts Update- Samuel HOWELL, Ann GERMAINE, Bishop THOMPSON and Bridget McCARTHY/CARTY Brilliant work Lisa, sorting out all those threads. Many hard times they had, each life worth a movie. Kerrie. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lisa Apfel Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011 7:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PJ] Convicts Update- Samuel HOWELL, Ann GERMAINE, Bishop THOMPSON and Bridget McCARTHY/CARTY Listers, I hope you will indulge me by allowing me to tell the tale of this group of convicts. After many years of investigating them I now feel I have enough information about them to tell part of their story. I have been trying to unravel the facts behind Samuel Howell and Ann Germaine for so long that I cringe when I look at some of the ideas I had in earlier posts. Not to worry though, without those silly ideas I may never have doggedly pursued the questions to a point of finding a plausible explanation. Samuel Howell arrived as part of the deadly Second Fleet. On board the Scarborough we can only imagine the state he was in when he arrived. He was originally sentenced to death for burglary in March 1789 at Winchester but was shown "mercy" and had this sentence commuted to transportation for life. After this bad start we find him working with "diligence and strict attention to his duty as a principal in the night watch" only two years after his arrival. This work ethic lead to him obtaining a conditional pardon in 1800 from Governor Hunter. His occupation in 1800 is listed as a constable. During this time he met a convict by the name of Ann Germaine with whom he had four children (one boy yet to be identified) Henry born 1794, Maria born 1797 and Hannah born 1803. Ann Germaine was tried at Norwich in July 1790. She arrived with the Third Fleet on board the 'Mary Ann' on 9th July 1791. Coincidentally, Mary Jones who was tried at Winchester as Samuel Howell's co-accused was also on board. On the 15th January 1792 only seven months after her arrival Ann's daughter was baptised as Margaret Tambleton (father's name Thomas). So it appears as if Ann became involved in an on board liaison with Thomas Tambleton a seaman on the 'Mary Ann'. Margaret died less than two months later. In 1800 we find Ann in the muster directly after Samuel Howell this is the first evidence we have of the two together. In April 1805 we find a notice in The Sydney Gazette where Samuel is telling the public not to give any credit to his wife because he won't be responsible for it. Effectively showing they had split-up. Also in 1805 we find that Ann had moved to Windsor and given birth to a baby named Charles Thompson whose father was Bishop Thompson. Now this relationship was probably not a new one! When I dug a little deeper I found that Bishop Thompson was tried at Norwich in July 1790-THE SAME PLACE AND DATE AS ANN. So who was Bishop Thompson? Well he arrived on the 'William and Ann' on the 28th August, 1791. About six weeks after Ann. We find him at the Hawkesbury in 1799 where he was involved in an aboriginal shooting case. In 1800 he is Free By Servitude and renting 20 acres from Palmer at Hawkesbury. When Ann joined him at the Hawkesbury she appears to have taken all the children with her. As we find her listed in Rev Marsden's female muster of 1806 with 2 girls and 3 boys. However this was not to be the end of the story. Ann appears to have given birth in 1808 to a daughter Sophia. Sophia was to be known as Sophia Bishop in later documents. Sometime after this though Ann met another man J. Eagar with whom she had another child at Windsor. I believe this child referred to in 1822 as unnamed Germaine, was Dinah Howell born in 1810. In 1810 Ann was 40 not leaving much more time for having children! J. Eagar/Egg: Possibly John Agar who arrived on the Britannia in 1797. Sentenced to life. In 1806 he had a TOL and was self-employed. He died in 1810 at the age of 42. If this is the J. Eagar who married Ann Germain then it helps explain some of the children moving back to Samuel after John's death in 1810. It also explains the transformation of the name Agar to Eagar and finally Egg. John was Irish and his accent would have contributed to the misinterpretation. This combined with the time elapsed since his death to when Ann mentions Eagar (12 years later in the 1822 Muster) and finally when Dinah goes by the name Egg (15 years later in the 1825 Muster). In June 1811 Ann received a land grant at the Hawkesbury but then in September tragedy stuck when her son Charles Thompson was burned and died aged six. Sometime between 1806 and 1815 some of Ann's children moved back to Sydney. Henry and Maria would have been of working ages from about 1810. It makes sense that if Ann was single during this time she would send Samuel's children back to him (Henry, Maria and Hannah). In 1814 we find Ann at Windsor listed with two children (possibly Sophia and Dinah) and saying she is the wife of Samuel Howell. Again adding weight to the argument she was single because Samuel was still in Sydney. In 1822 Ann is listed as Germain with one child who was in all likelihood Dinah as Sophia had moved to Sydney and was working for Maria's husband (William Bruce). Similarly Henry and Hannah were also married at this point. Ann died at Windsor in 1823 aged 53 leaving a 13 year old Dinah. Hannah married Thomas Dean in 1820 and I believe that Hannah was the only sibling in the area at the time to watch out for Dinah. As such we find Dinah Egg (born in the colony) was working for Thomas Dean at Melville in 1825. The young Dinah was married at 15 with Hannah as a witness in 1825. Bishop Thompson stayed in the Hawkesbury area gaining a land grant in 1821 and again in 1825 at Richmond. By 1828 at the age of 52 he was a labourer to Peter Hough of Richmond. No further record of him has been found. In the meantime Samuel Howell who had split up from his wife in 1805, was a new father again by August 1809 to a son James. James' mother was Ann Martin. Unfortunately James died before reaching 3 months of age and was buried on the 1st November. No further trace of Ann Martin has been found however in February 1810 we find a notice in the paper of Samuel intending to the leave the colony in the brig 'Experiment'. Something appears to have changed his mind though, because we find him still in Sydney working as a blacksmith in 1814. Could the something have been the need to support his children who had moved back to Sydney? In 1815 Samuel is a witness at Maria's marriage. His son Henry also married in 1815 at Sydney. Samuel now began a relationship with Bridget McCarthy/Carty per the "Alexander" who arrived 4th April 1816. Their first child was born in 1817 (Mary), followed by Samuel in 1819, John in 1821 and William in 1822. Alas for Samuel though he was in for more troubling times. In 1822 Bridget Howell was indicted as an accessory after the fact in the murder of Samuel and Esther Bradley as well as with having stolen property in her possession. She was found not guilty that time. Then in April 1828 she received a colonial sentence for receiving stolen goods and was sentenced to transportation for 14 years. However, she appears to have remained in NSW as she is found at the female factory at Parramatta in 1829 and 1830. Having Bridget sitting in gaol awaiting trial in 1822 Samuel was left with four small children (including a newborn) to look after whilst employed by Simeon Lord. By 1825 Samuel was working as a blacksmith with only Mary and Samuel jnr having survived. Things continued to be very hard for Samuel. With Bridget at the female factory in 1828 his son Samuel was sent out from the family as a lodger at just eight years of age. Samuel now 63 was living with his daughter Maria's family and was listed as a blacksmith for her husband. Mary's whereabouts at this time are unknown. Samuel died in 1835 at the age of 70 and probably having never seeing Bridget again. Bridget Howell had other brushes with the law. Being violently assaulted in 1825, her attacker Samuel Harris getting one month because Bridget gave him "some provocation". Whilst spending her time at the Female Factory she was invariably reprimanded. The first time for quarrelling and bad language and the second for disobedience and insolence. She would have been due for release in 1842. About 1845 Bridget started living with Patrick Stafford a butcher. However, by 1851 we again find her at the centre of another murder trial. This time the victim Dennis Barrett another butcher who had recently started living with Bridget was killed by Patrick Stafford. Left alone we next find Bridget in 1857 using the name Howell again and stating Samuel is her husband even though he had been dead for some 22 years. She may be the Bridget McCarthy who died aged 80 in 1860. As a footnote other convicts associated with the family are: William Perry per the "Lord Eldon" married Dinah Howell in Windsor on the 5/12/1825. William had arrived in 1817 with a life sentence. After working on the gaol gang at Windsor in 1822 he was found working for R. Fitzgerald at Windsor from 1825 to 1828. He and Dinah went on to have five children. Richard Kippax per the "Indefatigable" of 1815 was the second spouse of Hannah Howell. He was a wheelwright at Windsor. They had three sons together. He was another "lifer". They married at St James' church in Pitt Town on the 6/5/1832. Richard died in 1839. Phillip Thorowgood alias Toogood was sentenced to 14 years and was the third spouse of Hannah Howell. He arrived on the "Phoenix" in 1828. William Hill per the "Ganges" 1797 was sentenced to life and was the father of Mary Hill. Mary Hill married Henry Howell in 1815. William was the superintendent of the government slaughter house in 1822 and by 1828 at the age of 61 is listed as both a butcher and publican. He was the father of at least seven children. He was called as a witness in the 1822 trial of Bridget Howell in his capacity as the superintendent. Ann Thompson alias Bruce alias Robertson arrived on the "Britannia" in 1798. She is the only match found to date as the possible mother of William Bruce. William who married Maria Howell stated he came free on the "Britannia" of 1798 in the 1828 Census. He would have been about three years old at the time of his arrival. In 1801 we find Ann Thompson of the Britannia" at Parramatta and off stores. She may be the Ann Roberson (sic) who died in 1806 as no further information has been found on her. If so William was left without any parents at the age of 12. We find William in 1814 as a servant at Sydney. Lisa Apfel ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hello Leslie all, Re "and I think it may be the same person" - same bloke I reckon, and he was a wonderful artist too (leaving us with many fine views of those times). Lycett did die in Birmingham and a penciled note in a copy of his "Views" in the State Library is said to state how when in the hospital there after his arrest he tore open the wound and thus completed the killing of himself. However, this has not confirmed as far as I am aware. I am interested to know what buildings PJ readers can indentify in his Sydney Cove 1810s painting: [1]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5737284/lycett-sydney-cove.jpg ( I think this is one of this ones that is 'coming home' soon?). This view is looking east over Sydney Cove, of course. Note the two sharp drops he has skillfully depicted (without actually showing them); one just in front of the figures and one further on towards the cove. This is either looking towards ca. where Cadman's Cottage is .. or perhaps looking toward a little further north from there ?? I am interested in that I used to work at the 'second drop', a former quarry face (where the Mining Museum building was later constructed). Cheers, John Byrnes (Sydney) ~~~~~~~~ On Tue Oct 18 15:15 , Lesley Uebel sent: Hi Wayne Thank you. It was also mentioned in one of the papers yesterday or Sunday and I noted they had Joseph arriving in the wrong year. When Joseph was in Newcastle Gov. Macquarie stated that he was "to be strictly watched at Newcastle as he was notorious for forgeries" He received an Absolute Pardon in 1821 and left the colony in 1822 with his daughters. The Monitor, dated 16 April 1828 - and I think it may be the same person FORGED NOTES.-Last week the constables of Birmingham proceeded to the house of an engraver, named Lycett, in Bath-row, in that town, to search for forged notes, and in one of the upstairs rooms found newly-prepared £1. plate, of the Stourbridge and Bramsgrove Bank, with a facsimile of the signature, entry, number, and date. Lycett, alarmed at the consequences, cut his throat; but he was removed, to the hosptital, and it is expected he will recover. His daughter, who was found with him in the house, is also in custody. Slow learner :) but great artist Regards Lesley [2]http://www.claimaconvict.net/index.html CLAIM A CONVICT email: [3][email protected] On 18/10/2011 4:03 PM, flora.1 wrote: >> THE State Library of NSW has won its campaign to bring a unique album of 35 convict era watercolours ''home'' to Australia after paying $1.75 million at an auction in Canada in the early hours of yesterday.< > > Read more: [4]http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/library-pays-175m-fo r-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html#ixzz1b6fdAy61 > > [5]http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/art-and-design/library-pays-175m-fo r-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html ---------------------- To send a message to the Port Jackson Convicts List, send an email to [6][email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ) References 1. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5737284/lycett-sydney-cove.jpg 2. file://localhost/tmp/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.claimaconvict.net%2Findex.html 3. javascript:top.opencompose('[email protected]','','','') 4. file://localhost/tmp/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fentertainment%2Fart-and-design%2Flibrary-pays-175m-for-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html%23ixzz1b6fdAy61 5. file://localhost/tmp/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fentertainment%2Fart-and-design%2Flibrary-pays-175m-for-historical-album-20111017-1lt8e.html 6. javascript:top.opencompose('[email protected]','','','') 7. javascript:top.opencompose('[email protected]','','','')