I agree with Jill, I heard one of my brothers telling a mate he would "Stand" him until he got a job. Then his mate could pay him back. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson & Livingstone" <panjil@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: [NSW-W] what's a stand > Hi List > > The Macquarie dictionary gives the colloquial meaning of stand as "to bear the expense of; pay for". So I guess this was the meaning in the letter. > > Jill > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > Neighbouring Lists at Rootsweb are: AUS-NSW-PILLIGA, NSW-ORANGEBATHURST and AUS-NSW-MANNING-VALLEY >

Hi List The Macquarie dictionary gives the colloquial meaning of stand as "to bear the expense of; pay for". So I guess this was the meaning in the letter. Jill

"Stand" is a term used in shearing. It is the area in which one man shears his sheep . A shearing shed can consist of either one stand or many more . The way of describing a shearing shed is something like this " It is a ten Stand shed", meaning that it has ten stands for ten shearers to shear sheep. I do not know if this is the terminology applying to your letter. wsymonds@bigpond.net.au www.users.bigpond.com/bill_symo.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <karens@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [NSW-W] Terminology - whats a stand? > In our family research we have uncovered a letter written by my grandfather > to his son in Queensland. > My grandfather lived and worked on properties in and around Nyngan from 1892 > until 1930. > In the letter he mentions the need to "stand" one of his sons to get work. > Does anyone know what a stand was / is? > It sounds like some sort of surety? bond? or maybe to purchase gear to work? > The actual wording is........ > "Tomy is not doing anything at all, I have no money to stand him again, if I > could get one pound it would do to make another stand" > To put it into context - they had come from Nyngan to Sydney as there was > obviously no work in Nyngan for them. This was June 1930, the middle of the > depression and they had no money, the only person in the family working was > a 12 year old son who was earning a "few bob a day" In the letter they are > making plans for the older boys to make their way to Bendigo to look for > gold. It never happened, my grandfather died a few months after the letter > was written and Tomy was killed in a horse accident 6 months later. > Any thoughts? > > Many thanks > Karen > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to Surnames for further details. >

In our family research we have uncovered a letter written by my grandfather to his son in Queensland. My grandfather lived and worked on properties in and around Nyngan from 1892 until 1930. In the letter he mentions the need to "stand" one of his sons to get work. Does anyone know what a stand was / is? It sounds like some sort of surety? bond? or maybe to purchase gear to work? The actual wording is........ "Tomy is not doing anything at all, I have no money to stand him again, if I could get one pound it would do to make another stand" To put it into context - they had come from Nyngan to Sydney as there was obviously no work in Nyngan for them. This was June 1930, the middle of the depression and they had no money, the only person in the family working was a 12 year old son who was earning a "few bob a day" In the letter they are making plans for the older boys to make their way to Bendigo to look for gold. It never happened, my grandfather died a few months after the letter was written and Tomy was killed in a horse accident 6 months later. Any thoughts? Many thanks Karen

Hi List, Does anyone know the names of any undertakers who may have operated in the Ivanhoe/Booligal area in 1938. The person is believed to have died in Booligal and buried in Ivanhoe. He is not on the Ivanhoe Cemetery List. Best wishes Mary Wilson

Hi Mary I have actually just sent a cheque off for the Broken Hill Cemetery CD as I do have a lot of relly's to look up but if I cant find them on that I would appreciate any help you can give. One couple I do know that is not buried in Broken Hill is James Boon and Jeanie (nee Stevenson) who were both born abt 1868 (place unknown) and the last child I know of was born abt 1907 Broken Hill if you can help with them I would be most grateful. Many thanks, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "mewilson" <mewilson@iinet.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Broken Hill and area Cemetery Records > > Hi Sue, > The council is definitely not the right place to look for this information > (especially if they charge fees like that!) You could send your request to > the archives in the Charles Rasp Library as suggested by Tony Moore. I also > hold available records for most of the places you mention. I would be > happy to assist where I can. > Best wishes > Mary Wilson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Frape" <frapessa@adam.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:18 AM > Subject: [NSW-W] Broken Hill and area Cemetery Records > > > > Hi in order to find out more about my FRAPE BOON BALMAN families I > e-mailed Broken Hill Council about Cemetery Records. > > They replied that they only have Broken Hill on computer and it would cost > $70.00 per hour for a search or $92 for a CD which I will probably purchase. > But I am wondering if anyone has access to the surrounding areas Cemetery > Records: > > > > Silverton Wilcannia > > Menindee Ivanhoe > > Tibooburra Cockburn > > > > I am really hoping this will help fill in some gaps, so I would appreciate > any assistance in locating these records. > > > > Many thanks > > Sue Frape > > South Australia > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole > list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they > would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back > and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ >

Could SKS who has the Victorian index see if they can find a death of the above anywhere from 1875 to 1918. I am researching my John McCaughey of Bourke. I know he married Elizabeth Swain in about 1867 and had a daughter, Mona, (b around 1872) and possibly a son who died. I am trying to find out when his wife died. He remarried in 1918. Thanks, Jill

Hi Sue, The council is definitely not the right place to look for this information (especially if they charge fees like that!) You could send your request to the archives in the Charles Rasp Library as suggested by Tony Moore. I also hold available records for most of the places you mention. I would be happy to assist where I can. Best wishes Mary Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Frape" <frapessa@adam.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: [NSW-W] Broken Hill and area Cemetery Records > Hi in order to find out more about my FRAPE BOON BALMAN families I e-mailed Broken Hill Council about Cemetery Records. > They replied that they only have Broken Hill on computer and it would cost $70.00 per hour for a search or $92 for a CD which I will probably purchase. But I am wondering if anyone has access to the surrounding areas Cemetery Records: > > Silverton Wilcannia > Menindee Ivanhoe > Tibooburra Cockburn > > I am really hoping this will help fill in some gaps, so I would appreciate any assistance in locating these records. > > Many thanks > Sue Frape > South Australia > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. > > >

Dear Sue, May I suggest that you are more likely to get a more favourable reply from the Broken Hill librarian rather than if you contact the Council direct. Tel: (08) 8088 3317 Fax: (08) 8087 8055 Email: admin@bhlibrary.org.au archives@bhlibrary.org.au Postal Charles Rasp Memorial Library P.O. Box 448 Broken Hill NSW 2880 Charles Rasp Memorial Library Blende Street Broken Hill NSW 2880 Another alternative is the Broken Hill Family History Group: Perhaps the following may explain why you did not get a favourable response from the council................ Broken Hill Family History Group Inc. Change of Location http://www.aigs.org.au/genealogicalnews.htm#Bro 18th January 2004 The Broken Hill Family History Group is no longer at the Charles Rasp Library and have moved into an office at the beautiful Trades Hall on the corner of Blende and Sulphide Street Broken Hill. New members most welcome. Open hours will be Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday 10am to 3pm and 2pm to 4pm on Saturday afternoons. After hours contact Secretary Jenny Camilleri Phone 08 80881321 Or Mobile phone number 0419861153 Write to BHFHG Inc PO Box 779 Broken Hill NSW 2880 Cheers, Tony Moore @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Frape <frapessa@adam.com.au> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2004 10:48 am Subject: [NSW-W] Broken Hill and area Cemetery Records > Hi in order to find out more about my FRAPE BOON BALMAN families I > e-mailed Broken Hill Council about Cemetery Records. > They replied that they only have Broken Hill on computer and it > would cost $70.00 per hour for a search or $92 for a CD which I > will probably purchase. But I am wondering if anyone has access > to the surrounding areas Cemetery Records: > > Silverton Wilcannia > Menindee Ivanhoe > Tibooburra Cockburn > > I am really hoping this will help fill in some gaps, so I would > appreciate any assistance in locating these records. > > Many thanks > Sue Frape > South Australia > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to > the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where > you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it > is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just > between the parties involved. > >

Just in case anyone is interested, Wentworth Shire has its cemetery records online and they are free! They include Coomealla, Wentworth, Gol Gol and Pooncarie. the link is: http://www.wentworth.nsw.gov.au/services/cemeteries/ Can we encourage the Broken Hill Council to do the same? Mal

Hi, I am amazed that Broken Hill Council are like that. I telephoned Wollongong Council regarding graves and cremations and they asked me to hold the line whilst they looked up the things for me straight away and they also rang me back later with some others. Marie

Hi in order to find out more about my FRAPE BOON BALMAN families I e-mailed Broken Hill Council about Cemetery Records. They replied that they only have Broken Hill on computer and it would cost $70.00 per hour for a search or $92 for a CD which I will probably purchase. But I am wondering if anyone has access to the surrounding areas Cemetery Records: Silverton Wilcannia Menindee Ivanhoe Tibooburra Cockburn I am really hoping this will help fill in some gaps, so I would appreciate any assistance in locating these records. Many thanks Sue Frape South Australia

Hi I am looking for any descendants/information of the spouses of the children of Maurice BALMAN(N) and Eugenie THEIRRY All married in Broken Hill NSW (I only have details from NSW bdm): Julia Balman born abt 1879 married Edward L HOLLINGWORTH in 1899 no other information Child: Gwendoline born 1904 Blanche C Balman born abt 1882 married Samuel WITFORD in 1901 no other inforamation Children: Kenneth born 1902, Jack Samuel born & died 1905, Mavis born 1906 Josephine Balman born abt 1886 married Christopher BROCKHILL in 1907 no other information Claude Balman born 1890 Granville, NSW married Emily Grace BOON born 1894 Father: James BOON Mother: Jeanie STEVENSON Children: Keith, Peter Viginia M Balman born abt 1890 married Thomas H CARTHEW in 1913 no other information Mary E Balman born 1895 Ranwick, NSW married Kenneth W BLACKWELL in 1920 no other information Constance Dorothy Balman born 1899 Broken Hill, NSW married James BOON 29 Sept 1920 Father: James Boon: Mother Jeanie STEVENSON Children: Dorothy Grace born 1921, Clement Alexander born 1923-1952, Norman born 1929 Many thanks for any help Sue Frape South Ausralia

Hi I just had to reply to this one. I cannot believe that Broken Hill council would charge this much. Computer records should be easy to look up. I have phoned Orange Council some years ago to look up Cemetery Records, they are also on computer, they have taken the particulars and then rung me back nearly straight away, with the information and as well as that they posted to me a printout of the information plus photocopies from the original interment register with a plan of the cemetery and marked on it the position of the graves when I asked how much the answer was no charge.. It made it so easy when I visited the cemetery some 6 months later to take photos, to be able to locate the graves from the map that was sent. Lorette --- Steve Frape <frapessa@adam.com.au> wrote: > Hi in order to find out more about my FRAPE BOON > BALMAN families I e-mailed Broken Hill Council about > Cemetery Records. > They replied that they only have Broken Hill on > computer and it would cost $70.00 per hour for a > search or $92 for a CD which I will probably > purchase. But I am wondering if anyone has access > to the surrounding areas Cemetery Records: > > Silverton Wilcannia > Menindee Ivanhoe > Tibooburra Cockburn > > I am really hoping this will help fill in some gaps, > so I would appreciate any assistance in locating > these records. > > Many thanks > Sue Frape > South Australia > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to > messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to > send replies to the list where you think they would > be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only > personal chat back and forth, please send messages > just between the parties involved. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Thanks Jill Phillip Carruthers Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson & Livingstone To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Robert CARRUTHERS Hi Phillip Nothing on your Carruthers, but I have at least 2 mistakes in the BDM records. One was someone who was 23 when they died. BDM lists them as 28. Another is the birth of a daughter which is actualy listed as a male and is the father's name. I think in the transcription and data entry there is plenty of room for error. If your Robert shot through, he may also have gone to Queensland or Victoria. Also he may have lied about his age. The information on a death certificate is only as good as the informant and I don't suppose stockman necessarily told their life stories to all they met, so the informant may have known almost nothing about the stockman, who probably had no papers on him either. Good luck Jill ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== The Home Page for this List is at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/

I have changed my email address from heartseas@optusnet.com.au to gumtrees2@iprimus.com.au Would you please unsub me from the first and subscribe me to the second. Marie Young

William Paskins (Publican) Pubs:Stoney Creek Hotel 1889-90 ;Travellers Rest;Cumbedore 1891-2 & 1897; Kallara Bend Hotel 1894 ; Royal Hotel Tilpa 1895-6;Royal Hotel Bourke 1898-1900 Request any information on if/when William won the Cobar Gift or similar footraces in this area cc 1890's.

Sorry I cannot find a connection to your Barnes. The Barnes I have was Ann Jane Barnes married James Sutton in Maidstone, Kent, England. Ann Jane's parents were John Barnes and Jane nee LLoyd. I am trying to find if John and Jane came to Aust. or whether they had a son who may have come. That son would then be my grandmother's uncle and whether he had a son Charles. Mix up I know but then that is genealogy. Regards Elaine Selena wrote: > Hi List > > I have an Eliza Barnes (daughter of William Smith Barnes and Eliza Brown). > The family lived around Murrumburrah, also Wombat, Kingsvale and Young. > > Eliza Barnes had other siblings, James born 1867, Georgina born 1869, Eliza > born 1871, Ernest born 1874 and Mary born 1879 > > Is there any connection? > > Regards, > > Selena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan & Elaine Rogers" <erogers@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Effoed, Barnes > > > On the 1908 electoral the name was written as Charles Barnes Efford. This > one person > > was apparently a cousin to Mary ann Parker, nee Sutton. Her parents were > Jams Sutton > > and Ann Jane Sutton nee Barnes. I cannot find a Laurence Suton on my tree > or Esther > > Barnes. But. with the amount of brick walls I have hit I guess there is a > chance of a > > connection somewhere. Regards Elaine > > > > Mary Herbert wrote: > > > > > Clarification please > > > Was it Charles BARNES or Charles EFFORD who was on the electoral roll > at > > > Nymagee in 1913? > > > Also, was it Charles BARNES or Charles EFFORD who was a cousin of Mary > > > PARKER neeSUTTON and when would she have been born and who were her > parents? > > > I have an Esther BARNES marrying a Lawrence SUTTON at Parkes in 1919 but > I > > > don't know any family for them. > > > Mary Herbert > > > herbert@westserv.net.au > > > snail mail to "Slimbridge" Bedgerebong NSW 2871 > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thursday, 29 January 2004 06:44:24 PM > > > To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [NSW-W] Effoed, Barnes > > > > > > Wondering if anyone on the list may be researching the above names. > > > Charles Barnes Efford was on the electoral roll for Nymagee in the > > > division of Darling in 1908. Then Charles Barnes was on the electoral > > > roll for Bobadah in the division of Darling in 1913. I have been told > > > many times that Charles Barnes was a cousin to my Grandmother Mary Ann > > > Parker nee Sutton. I cannot find anything in the NSW online indexes. I > > > know Granny's sister Alice married a Thomas Henry Efford but I cannot > > > find a connection to Charles. Would appreciate any help. Regards Elaine > > > > > > Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go to > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to Surnames > for > > > further details. > > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > > > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve > months, go to: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole > list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they > would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back > and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/

Hi List I have an Eliza Barnes (daughter of William Smith Barnes and Eliza Brown). The family lived around Murrumburrah, also Wombat, Kingsvale and Young. Eliza Barnes had other siblings, James born 1867, Georgina born 1869, Eliza born 1871, Ernest born 1874 and Mary born 1879 Is there any connection? Regards, Selena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Elaine Rogers" <erogers@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Effoed, Barnes > On the 1908 electoral the name was written as Charles Barnes Efford. This one person > was apparently a cousin to Mary ann Parker, nee Sutton. Her parents were Jams Sutton > and Ann Jane Sutton nee Barnes. I cannot find a Laurence Suton on my tree or Esther > Barnes. But. with the amount of brick walls I have hit I guess there is a chance of a > connection somewhere. Regards Elaine > > Mary Herbert wrote: > > > Clarification please > > Was it Charles BARNES or Charles EFFORD who was on the electoral roll at > > Nymagee in 1913? > > Also, was it Charles BARNES or Charles EFFORD who was a cousin of Mary > > PARKER neeSUTTON and when would she have been born and who were her parents? > > I have an Esther BARNES marrying a Lawrence SUTTON at Parkes in 1919 but I > > don't know any family for them. > > Mary Herbert > > herbert@westserv.net.au > > snail mail to "Slimbridge" Bedgerebong NSW 2871 > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thursday, 29 January 2004 06:44:24 PM > > To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NSW-W] Effoed, Barnes > > > > Wondering if anyone on the list may be researching the above names. > > Charles Barnes Efford was on the electoral roll for Nymagee in the > > division of Darling in 1908. Then Charles Barnes was on the electoral > > roll for Bobadah in the division of Darling in 1913. I have been told > > many times that Charles Barnes was a cousin to my Grandmother Mary Ann > > Parker nee Sutton. I cannot find anything in the NSW online indexes. I > > know Granny's sister Alice married a Thomas Henry Efford but I cannot > > find a connection to Charles. Would appreciate any help. Regards Elaine > > > > Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go to > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to Surnames for > > further details. > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved.

Sorry folks, I spelt Efford incorrectly on the first request. It is spelt EFFORD. Regards Elaine