I have just come back from a long and frustrating day at the NSW State Records Office. Only so because I never found what I wanted to find :-( However I did learn some information that may be of help for our interstate and overseas members so I thought I would share. The State Records Office is now offering a Probate Packet Copying Service via the internet. You need to provide complete details and they will only copy the entire packet (the ones that I have copied in their entirety usually end up costing me around the $20 mark) but its a huge plus for those folk who live interstate or overseas. In most cases you will still need to be able to access the probate indexes BUT the other plus is that they have upgraded the Archives Investigator on their web site so that it searches series 2 of the probate packets for you on line. Anyway I just thought it may be helpful information for folk. And if need be I can always go to my local library and do lookups on the indexes if it is ever of any help. Take Care Karen (researching the names Miller, Jones, Maitland, Wolstenholme, Schuler, Reed, Carrick and Cahill)

An advance notice that the "Shoalhaven Family,Local and Cultural Fair" will be held at the Nowra School of Arts on Friday 25th June 10am-6pm and Saturday 26th June 10am to 3pm. Enquiries to wvost@shoal.net.au Mary L. Lidbetter

Hi all Just wondering if anyone knows the BEAN family of South Australia/Broken Hill. Joseph Bean born abt 1825 died 28 May 1883 Stirling East, S. Aust Father Thomas Bean married Emma Ellen BOON 21 Jan 1862 St John Church Adelaide, S. Aust Father John BOON Mother Ann HILL Children:from SA Digger bdm & NSW Registry of bdm Anne Lucinde born 31 Oct 1862 Crafters Arthur William born 1 Nov 1866 Stirling East Emma Ellen born 27 May 1869 married Peter JENSEN 1899 Broken Hill she died Dec 1899 Broken Hill Peter Jensen born c 1871 Father Godleib Mother Helene died 1901 Broken Hill Joseph Edwin born 1 Feb 1872 Stirling East Edith Emily born 23 May 1874 Stirling East married Charlie R WHETSTONE 1900 Broken Hill John Thomas born 6 May 1877 Crafers Alfred Henry born 16 Jul 1879 died 1906 Broken Hill I have no trace of the other Bean children in either SA or NSW and would appreciate any help on them or the spouses. Other related names to John BOON and Ann HILL are: GALE, RUTT, COLLINS, MURPHY. many thanks Sue Frape South Australia

Hi Everyone, I am well-familiar with the term "Underground Mutton" for rabbits, but last night struck the term "Ration Mutton" or "Ration Sheep", as a Darling River term. Looking for another book, I pulled one of the shelf with no spine, and remembered I had this decrepit copy of C.E.W. Bean's "The Dreadnought of the Darling", which I had always been meaning to read. I THINK this was written about 1909 (the title page etc is missing), and there are lots of gems in there. In particular, he visits the Victoria Hotel between White Cliffs and Wilcannia, that my Frank and Rebecca Barraclough had from 1904 to 1909. Would love to know if they were still there when he wrote about it, but no clues. In 1909 Frank and Rebecca took over the Iduna Park hotel near Cobham Lake, north of Broken Hill. That is where they had a large herd of 40 to 50 goats. And it is C.E.W. Bean who explained to me, that on outback hotel menus, was beef (very rarely), mutton (sometimes)and "meat". Most commonly "Ration mutton". Or goat. I think I begin to understand a little more about my ancestors and their hotels! This book is apparently based on articles he wrote, and stuff he had to leave out of his previous book, "On the Wool Track". Has anyone got a copy of that handy to tell me if that is set on the Darling as well? From comment in this book, it seems he had to restrict himself to the wool matters in that one, whereas in this one he talks about people. Going back to read some more - get ready for snippets - I think C.E.W. has almost been gone long enough to be out of copyright. Must check! Cheers Linda

Just a reminder that a reunion will be held for the descendants of James and Mary Melville. Meet: Sunday 2nd May 2004 - 12 Noon. Where: McQuade Park, Windsor, NSW (Moses Street side, opposite St. Matthew's, Windsor) James and Mary (nee Gavin) Melville arrived in October 1838, on the " Mandarin", from Ireland. Children: 1. Robert married Kerzia Elizabeth Worboys - 7 children. 2. James married Anne Maria Holland - 9 children 3. Eliza married a) Frederick Charles Turner - 6 children b) William Allen 4. Mary married George Charles Johnson - 6 children 5. Jane married Samuel Davidson - 7 children 6. Margaret Spiers married Benjamin Wilberforce West - 11 children 7. John married Susan Hodges - 4 children 8. William married Jane Elliott - 8 children 9. Janet married William Charles Gambrill - 6 children 10. Mary Anne married Benjamin Ezzy Sullivan - 4 children For any information, on the reunion, please contact me, David Beddie on the following email address: dbeddie@ozemail.com.au Please advise, in advance, if you are attending, so that we can have an indication of numbers. Regards David Beddie, Raby, NSW

Hi Narelle, Ganmain is not in the West area. It is in the area that used to be covered under Central. Regards .............Rusheen. > From: "Narelle" <narelle@annforbes.org> > Reply-To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:47:14 +1000 > To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NSW-W] GANMAIN > Resent-From: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:48:32 -0600 > > Hello List and Linda - can you clarify for me if GANMAIN falls in the area > covered by this List??? > Regards > Narelle

Hello List and Linda - can you clarify for me if GANMAIN falls in the area covered by this List??? Regards Narelle "Just off the Road to Gundagai....." ************************************************** www.annforbes.org ************************************************* www.jmi.net.au ************************************************* AntiVir Installed

Thank you for the poem Jill Marie gumtrees2@iprimus.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson & Livingstone" <panjil@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: [NSW-W] Poem by Harry Stockdale > Hi Marie and list. Here is the poem about my ancestor as requested. It was published in the "Independent Advertiser" Print, Gunnedah. I don't know what date. There are five verses as follows. If you are not interested, just delete this email now. Best wishes, Jill. > > "KANGAROO NED" > by > Harry Stockdale > > Did I know him - did I not, Sir, > Old Ned Warmoll, him from Bourke; > Why, I've seen him "put 'em up," Sir; > Beating Ned war'nt easy work. > Was he a big'un, no he war'nt, > Fairly tall and rather slight; > There were a few round Bourke I'm told > Who agreed that Ned could fight. > > Had some good'uns, I b'lieve you, lad, > But the best of all the crew > A little bay - a lepper good, > Ned called him Kangaroo. > Now Ned was fond o' that ere horse - > Or a pony's nearer true- > For he was only just about > What's known as fourteen two. > > A plum; yes stranger that's bout right > I couldn't tell you half he knew, > He was a knowing card, that bay, > That Ned called Kangaroo. > I've heard Ned swear that he could talk- > I mean the horse, not Ned- > And 'praps he might, but Ned alone > Could tell the words he said. > > When others were tired and failing, > You could stake your shirt on one, > That he was galloping, galloping, > The bay was galloping on. > Was topping the rails in good style, > Is leading them all but two; > He catches them, passes and leads, > Does the pony Kangaroo. > > Little, but good, the pony was, > Honest, and game, and true; > Could jump like a deer, or rather, > An old man Kangaroo. > Where are they now? that's hard to say; > Are they together those two? > Old Ned from the Darling River, > And his pony - Kangaroo. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > >

Hi Marie and list. Here is the poem about my ancestor as requested. It was published in the "Independent Advertiser" Print, Gunnedah. I don't know what date. There are five verses as follows. If you are not interested, just delete this email now. Best wishes, Jill. "KANGAROO NED" by Harry Stockdale Did I know him - did I not, Sir, Old Ned Warmoll, him from Bourke; Why, I've seen him "put 'em up," Sir; Beating Ned war'nt easy work. Was he a big'un, no he war'nt, Fairly tall and rather slight; There were a few round Bourke I'm told Who agreed that Ned could fight. Had some good'uns, I b'lieve you, lad, But the best of all the crew A little bay - a lepper good, Ned called him Kangaroo. Now Ned was fond o' that ere horse - Or a pony's nearer true- For he was only just about What's known as fourteen two. A plum; yes stranger that's bout right I couldn't tell you half he knew, He was a knowing card, that bay, That Ned called Kangaroo. I've heard Ned swear that he could talk- I mean the horse, not Ned- And 'praps he might, but Ned alone Could tell the words he said. When others were tired and failing, You could stake your shirt on one, That he was galloping, galloping, The bay was galloping on. Was topping the rails in good style, Is leading them all but two; He catches them, passes and leads, Does the pony Kangaroo. Little, but good, the pony was, Honest, and game, and true; Could jump like a deer, or rather, An old man Kangaroo. Where are they now? that's hard to say; Are they together those two? Old Ned from the Darling River, And his pony - Kangaroo.

Please put it on the list.If it's not allowed please send it to me off list Marie gumtrees2@iprimus.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusheen Craig" <rusheen@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Harry Stockdale > Boy you're good Jill - WHAT RESEARCH!!! > > Love .......Rusheen. > > > > > Hi List > > I have come across a poem about my ancestor, Ned Warmoll, entitled, Kangaroo > > Ned, by Harry Stockdale. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > The List-admin for this list can be contacted by e-mailing > AUS-NSW-WEST-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Boy you're good Jill - WHAT RESEARCH!!! Love .......Rusheen. > > Hi List > I have come across a poem about my ancestor, Ned Warmoll, entitled, Kangaroo > Ned, by Harry Stockdale.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_gdz+eVJpIB2MzCod9Qih+Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Hi Mark, Last year l photograpghed the cemetery in Cobar, as yet l haven't completed the index. So far l haven't come across any photo's of your Smith or Henning. Albert E Smith is listed as buried in 1916, my records show that it is a unmarked grave. There are a lot of Smiths listed a lot earlier and later. There is also 6listings for Henning; Elizabeth Henning d. 24.7.1916 aged 72, wife of John. in the old Catholic Section. (l have only just started to index this section) Wrightville is a couple miles out of Cobar on the Mt Hope road. All that is left is the old tailings from the old days, new mining companies are now re processing these sites. The Cobar Shire have a very rough map of the layout of the cemetery. When l locate my copy will email you Hope this info is helpful cheers chriss --Boundary_(ID_gdz+eVJpIB2MzCod9Qih+Q) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Type: text/plain AUS-NSW-WEST-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 42 Today's Topics: #1 [NSW-W] Mary's Website ["mewilson" <mewilson@iinet.net.au>] #2 [NSW-W] MI ?? SMITH, HENNING Cobar ["Mark Blundell" <mblundel@goulburn] Administrivia: To post a new query, or to post a reply to the list, send your post to AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com As you are subscribed in digest mode, chances are your email program has inserted the subject line 'AUS-NSW-WEST-D Digest Vxx #x'. Remember to change this before you post. To unsubscribe from the AUS-NSW-WEST-D maillist, send a message to AUS-NSW-WEST-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the list-owner, email Linda Barraclough at kapana@netspace.net.au Remember to check out the support website for the AUS-NSW-WEST list regularly for the latest updates. It is located at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_gdz+eVJpIB2MzCod9Qih+Q) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:07:02 +0930 From: "mewilson" <mewilson@iinet.net.au> To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002901c41779$1270f1d0$fc89dccb@saoe.com> Subject: [NSW-W] Mary's Website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Morning to Everyone, If I have not answered your emails, will you please send them again. My computer has been 'sick' so I am not sure if I received all my messages. Best wishes Mary Wilson http://members.iinet.net.au/~mewilson ______________________________ --Boundary_(ID_gdz+eVJpIB2MzCod9Qih+Q) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:46:17 +1000 From: "Mark Blundell" <mblundel@goulburn.net.au> To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <009d01c418a8$23e81080$0d92dccb@mblundel> Subject: [NSW-W] MI ?? SMITH, HENNING Cobar, Wrightville, "Barrowvale" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi list anyone know if there is MI index for Cobar Cemetery? Does the council have a list/map of gravesites? At this stage I am looking for Albert Edward SMITH died 1916 Elizabeth HENNING died 1916 Also directions to Wrightville and a property "Barrowvale". TIA Mark Blundell Braidwood N.S.W. --Boundary_(ID_gdz+eVJpIB2MzCod9Qih+Q)--

Just a reminder that the 5th Victorian Family History State Conference "Settlers in the Sun" is now only two weeks away. Mildura, where the Conference will be held, is on the NSW/VIC border and is approximatey 30km east of Wentworth, 10km west of Gol Gol, and 117km east of the SA border. Although the Conference is held in Victoria it is not only just for those with Victorian interests. A broad range of topics encompassing everything from how to trace your ancestry, getting organised, using internet resources, WWI & WWII records, convict records, immigration records and schemes, local history records, and much more, will be covered by speakers from ACT, NSW, SA, TAS, VIC and NZ. A selection of six pre-conference workshops will be run on Friday 16th April. Each workshop runs for a duration of 3 hours and include: - Doing your family history in Five Minutes - Writing & Publishing your Family History - Caring for your collection - Workshop of South Australian research - Delving into old family photographs - dating and identifying - Settlers, Selectors and Speculators If you are unable to attend the Conference, however would like a copy of the Conference Papers, you will be pleased to learn we are accepting orders. Further information and Registration Forms for the Conference to be held in Mildura on 16th - 18th April 2004, can be found on our website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ausmdgs/2004.html or by contacting: 2004 Conference Organizing Committee P.O. Box 3467 Mildura 3502, VIC E-mail: SettlersintheSun@telstra.com Kind Regards Roz Voullaire roz@voullaire.com.au Secretary 2004 Conference Organizing Committee

thanks ,Tony, you are a gem as usual. If it is one and the same Harry Stockdale, he seems to have been artist, poet and explorer. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony-moore" <tony-moore@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 03 April 2004 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Harry Stockdale > > Dear Jill, > > I don't know if you have found these references but they may be of use..... > > http://gutenberg.net.au/ausexplore/ausexpl3-app15.html > > > http://www.gutenberg.net/etext04/7hstr10.txt > The Project Gutenberg EBook of The History of Australian Exploration from > 1788 to 1888, by Ernest Favenc > Chapter 20 <<abbreviated>> > John Forrest's journeys --Camel expedition by Giles--The Brisbane Courier > expedition--Further explorations--Stockdale at Cambridge Gulf--Carr-Boyd > and O'Donnell open good country in Western Australia--Work done by > explorers--Their characteristics--Conclusion. > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/books/indx0036.htm > > http://tinyurl.com/ywfzv > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an6054553 > > http://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/australia.html > R.F. Wilkins donated this knife with a blade of flaked, recycled glass and gum handle and its paper-bark sheath to the Museum in 1900. It was collected by Harry Stockdale during an expedition to the Port Essington and Alligator River regions in the Northern Territory in 1891. Stockdale was an artist who made extensive sketches of Aboriginal people, objects and kept detailed diaries of his journeys as well as writing a manuscript (unpublished) about Aboriginal people. His most thoroughly documented field trips were made to the northern region of Western Australia, the Kimberleys, in 1884-85 and 1885-86. His illustrated notebooks from these trips give meticulously detailed accounts of the flora and fauna, the weather and descriptions of Aboriginal people. > > There are lots of references to Harry Stocdales works: > > http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First > or shortcut to catalogue: http://tinyurl.com/397yd > > put ...... harry + stockdale .......... in the box, then press search. > > I presume you were the one who supplied information about Ned & the family on this page: http://tinyurl.com/2otaw > > Cheers, > > Tony Moore >

Dear Jill, I don't know if you have found these references but they may be of use..... http://gutenberg.net.au/ausexplore/ausexpl3-app15.html http://www.gutenberg.net/etext04/7hstr10.txt The Project Gutenberg EBook of The History of Australian Exploration from 1788 to 1888, by Ernest Favenc Chapter 20 <<abbreviated>> John Forrest's journeys --Camel expedition by Giles--The Brisbane Courier expedition--Further explorations--Stockdale at Cambridge Gulf--Carr-Boyd and O'Donnell open good country in Western Australia--Work done by explorers--Their characteristics--Conclusion. http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/books/indx0036.htm http://tinyurl.com/ywfzv http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an6054553 http://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/australia.html R.F. Wilkins donated this knife with a blade of flaked, recycled glass and gum handle and its paper-bark sheath to the Museum in 1900. It was collected by Harry Stockdale during an expedition to the Port Essington and Alligator River regions in the Northern Territory in 1891. Stockdale was an artist who made extensive sketches of Aboriginal people, objects and kept detailed diaries of his journeys as well as writing a manuscript (unpublished) about Aboriginal people. His most thoroughly documented field trips were made to the northern region of Western Australia, the Kimberleys, in 1884-85 and 1885-86. His illustrated notebooks from these trips give meticulously detailed accounts of the flora and fauna, the weather and descriptions of Aboriginal people. There are lots of references to Harry Stocdales works: http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First or shortcut to catalogue: http://tinyurl.com/397yd put ...... harry + stockdale .......... in the box, then press search. I presume you were the one who supplied information about Ned & the family on this page: http://tinyurl.com/2otaw Cheers, Tony Moore @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson & Livingstone <panjil@bigpond.net.au> Date: Saturday, April 3, 2004 10:46 am Subject: [NSW-W] Harry Stockdale > Hi List > I have come across a poem about my ancestor, Ned Warmoll, > entitled, Kangaroo Ned, by Harry Stockdale. Anyone know anything > about this Harry Stockdale. A quick look on the internet gives > hints that he might be an explorer or something to do with the > Overland Telegraph. Can anyone fill in any details? > > Thanks > Jill > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last > twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > >

Hi List I have come across a poem about my ancestor, Ned Warmoll, entitled, Kangaroo Ned, by Harry Stockdale. Anyone know anything about this Harry Stockdale. A quick look on the internet gives hints that he might be an explorer or something to do with the Overland Telegraph. Can anyone fill in any details? Thanks Jill

Hi list anyone know if there is MI index for Cobar Cemetery? Does the council have a list/map of gravesites? At this stage I am looking for Albert Edward SMITH died 1916 Elizabeth HENNING died 1916 Also directions to Wrightville and a property "Barrowvale". TIA Mark Blundell Braidwood N.S.W.

Good Morning to Everyone, If I have not answered your emails, will you please send them again. My computer has been 'sick' so I am not sure if I received all my messages. Best wishes Mary Wilson http://members.iinet.net.au/~mewilson

Dear Jim, The books, whatever is still in print at this time, are definitely available from Brewarrina Shire Council Office Ph: 02 6839 2106 Fax: 02 6839 2100 breshire@tpg.com.au If you are ringing or faxing from outside Australia + 61 2 6839 2106 + 61 2 6839 2100 (I purchased Bric-a-brac at the front counter in 2000) For Brewarrina Historical Society contact either through the Bre Shire above or Elaine Thompson.......... ( from http://www.whitepages.com.au ) Thompson A P & E L ..Graziers.. "Caringle" Brewarrina 2839 Australia (02) 6874 4940 (I suspect this is both phone and fax) If you are ringing from outside Australia +61 2 6874 4940 Cheers, Tony Moore @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Fisher <jhf49@adelphia.net> Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:50 am Subject: [NSW-W] Bre bric-brac > Jill wrote: > "Tony, have you come across the following: > Thompson, Elaine (ed) (1993) "Brewarrina Bric-a-Brac", Brewarrina > and District Historical Society. > Ross Allan (ed)(1982) "Outback Heritage - Bygone Years", > Brewarrina Historical Society". > > ...I'd like to buy those two books as well---does anyone have any > leads on where I might be able to find copies of them? > > Thanks, Jim. > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last > twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > >

Jill wrote: "Tony, have you come across the following: Thompson, Elaine (ed) (1993) "Brewarrina Bric-aBrac", Brewarrina and District Historical Society. Ross Allan (ed)(1982) "Outback Heritage - Bygone Years", Brewarrina Historical Society". ...I'd like to buy those two books as well---does anyone have any leads on where I might be able to find copies of them? Thanks, Jim.