Can anyone please tell me the background of James Manning BYRNE who became Mayor of Wilcannia? Even a small thing like if he was Irish or English would be a great help in establishing if he was in any way connected with my BYRNES. In 1874 he was in charge of the Snagging Camp on the Lower Darling River (getting rid of obstacles to navigation - not cooking up sausages for camping groups). 1878 saw him with the freehold of Connorgee (sic), Lower Darling again. By 1882 he was at Wilcannia, and in 1883-1884 he held the freehold of Mulga Way, Wilcannia. 1886 Billilla freehold, Wilcannia. 1887-1889 Mulga Way freehold, Wilcannia. 1890-1893 Tolarno Run, Lower Darling River. Then from 1894 he held the leasehold of Tartna, Menindie District. My BYRNES family worked with him and records would show that they were very much aware of the presence of a family with the same/similar name - eg all our records were listed as John Thomas BYRNES to distinguish him from John BYRNE. My family were Irish. Is it just a case of two families with a similar name being in the same area at the same time? Regards ...........Rusheen. BTW - glad to hear that the Darling is flowing again at Wilcannia after 3 years.

Hi Cate I didn't sleep last night as I have not had any information on this line of research for a number of months What side of the marriage are you connected to Anne Allan was my great great-aunt. Her mother came out to Australia on the Forfarshire 1st Aug 1848 I know very little else Regards Sheelagh -----Original Message----- From: turnerca [mailto:turnerca@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NSW-W] William Hodge ALLAN/ALLEN m Marion FLEMING Hi Sheelagh, I can help with Ann ALLAN and John E BURGESS. Contact me off list and we can compare notes. Cate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheelagh Wiles" <swiles@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [NSW-W] William Hodge ALLAN/ALLEN m Marion FLEMING > Hi Listers > > > > > > Can anyone help with this family. These are the family of William Hodge > ALLAN and Marion Fleming they lived in WILCANNIA, NSW, AUST from approx > 1875. > > I am looking for the children that were born to these couples. > > Also any deaths in these families. > > > > James ALLAN m Emily Chapman Children please > > > > Anne ALLAN m John E BURGESS Children Please > > > > Andrew ALLAN m Annie Elizabeth SIMPSON Children Please > > > > William ALLAN m Philipiner E R GODDARD Children please > > > > Agnes ALLAN m William PIKE Children Please > > > > Many Thanks in Advance > > > > Sheelagh Wiles > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to Surnames for further details. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004

I cannot access the Queensland paper the "North West Star" here in Sydney and I was wondering if a Queensland reader might do me the favour of photocopying two articles and either posting or email them to me. The NSW State Library keeps loads of papers on microfilm but unfortunately not those for regional Queensland. The first article appears on Page 3 on Wednesday 6th May 1970 and the second is on page 4, Thursday 7th May 1970 edition. The articles about a man shot near Cloncurry on the Flinder's Highway. I am happy to pay all costs and or return the favour with something down here. I am frequently out at the NSW State Archives and the NSW State Library. (way too frequently sometimes :-)) I also visit many cemeteries etc down this way. Actually when my son goes back to school in a few weeks and has to write the classic essay "what I did in my holidays" his will read - "I visited 10 different cemeteries......" His new teacher will think I am totally macabre.... Karen - researching the names Schuler, Cahill, Reed, Carrick, Leahy and a load of others from the central west of NSW.

Hi, Not exactly what you asked for but may add some names for you. In 1185 the following lived in the area:- ID Surname First Name Holding PD Pg No Post Town Acreage Horses Cattle Sheep Pigs Return to 965 Allan William Allandale wilc 434 Wilcannia 640 7 0 0 0 cps wilc 5721 Allan Robert Nine-mile wilc 434 Wilcannia 640 40 30 0 20 cps wilc 5722 Burgess John Rocky Glen wilc 434 Wilcannia 320 40 50 0 20 cps wilc 5723 Allan A. Tallawalka wilc 434 Wilcannia 320 15 20 0 0 cps wilc PD=Police district; wilc= Wilcannia Hth Terry -----Original Message----- From: turnerca [mailto:turnerca@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2005 10:34 PM To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NSW-W] William Hodge ALLAN/ALLEN m Marion FLEMING Hi Sheelagh, I can help with Ann ALLAN and John E BURGESS. Contact me off list and we can compare notes. Cate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheelagh Wiles" <swiles@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [NSW-W] William Hodge ALLAN/ALLEN m Marion FLEMING > Hi Listers > > > > > > Can anyone help with this family. These are the family of William Hodge > ALLAN and Marion Fleming they lived in WILCANNIA, NSW, AUST from approx > 1875. > > I am looking for the children that were born to these couples. > > Also any deaths in these families. > > > > James ALLAN m Emily Chapman Children please > > > > Anne ALLAN m John E BURGESS Children Please > > > > Andrew ALLAN m Annie Elizabeth SIMPSON Children Please > > > > William ALLAN m Philipiner E R GODDARD Children please > > > > Agnes ALLAN m William PIKE Children Please > > > > Many Thanks in Advance > > > > Sheelagh Wiles > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to Surnames for further details.

Hi Sheelagh, I can help with Ann ALLAN and John E BURGESS. Contact me off list and we can compare notes. Cate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheelagh Wiles" <swiles@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [NSW-W] William Hodge ALLAN/ALLEN m Marion FLEMING > Hi Listers > > > > > > Can anyone help with this family. These are the family of William Hodge > ALLAN and Marion Fleming they lived in WILCANNIA, NSW, AUST from approx > 1875. > > I am looking for the children that were born to these couples. > > Also any deaths in these families. > > > > James ALLAN m Emily Chapman Children please > > > > Anne ALLAN m John E BURGESS Children Please > > > > Andrew ALLAN m Annie Elizabeth SIMPSON Children Please > > > > William ALLAN m Philipiner E R GODDARD Children please > > > > Agnes ALLAN m William PIKE Children Please > > > > Many Thanks in Advance > > > > Sheelagh Wiles > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ >

Hi Listers Can anyone help with this family. These are the family of William Hodge ALLAN and Marion Fleming they lived in WILCANNIA, NSW, AUST from approx 1875. I am looking for the children that were born to these couples. Also any deaths in these families. James ALLAN m Emily Chapman Children please Anne ALLAN m John E BURGESS Children Please Andrew ALLAN m Annie Elizabeth SIMPSON Children Please William ALLAN m Philipiner E R GODDARD Children please Agnes ALLAN m William PIKE Children Please Many Thanks in Advance Sheelagh Wiles -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004

I am wondering if anyone has connection with Flyng Officer Sydney Wood Smith, Born Broken Hill, 1918, Enlisted Sydney, 1941, died Scotland 25th August, 1942. Next of kin,Edith Smith. Visiting the war grave of a relative at Pennyfuir Cemetery, Oban, Scotland, I saw the graves of three Australians and 2 New Zealanders, and noted their names. I would just like to let any relative or connection know that the graves are beautifully cared for. Kind regards. Shirley (Queensland)

In the book Nyngan on the Bogan there are two single graves mentioned as being on the property Mulla Mulla I will quote: "I found two graves on "mulla". One was that of a five month old child of a couple who had been in charge of the old Mulla Mulla outstation. The fathers name was Roger's and some of his descendents were still around Nyngan at that time." "The other grave, located on a scalded plain, was that of a swagman who had been caught in a evry wet period, contracting pneumonia which resulted in his death. He was buried on the spot. His name was Dan O'Leary, but I was unable to find any record of his death." "It is not how much we do, but how much love we put in the doing. It is not how much we give, but how much love we put in the giving." ~ ~ Mother Teresa ~ ~ Keep Looking For Rainbows!! _--_|\ /Karen \ \ _.--._ / v

Any info on the Stores family -pioneers around Tumbarumba etc would be welcome. Sue and Ross Miller Kotuku Media Ltd 64 4 233 1842 0274 510 339 - Sue 027 246 7682 - Ross 112 Pope Street, Camborne, Wellington

Happy New Year to everyone, I am a new lister and looking for any information on the following people: Mary Ann HILLMAN b.1849 Islington London, 1st Marr: George BOUSTES, 1869 Melbourne, Child: Gladys b.1870 Sandhurst, Victoria d.1941, Warren m.1888, Dubbo, to John T RILEY, d.1925, Warren Children: James A, b.1889, Nyngan, m.1926, Newcastle, to Marjorie PATTERSON Gladys L, b.1890, d.1891, Warren Clarine, b.1899 Warren Alma I A, b.1901, Warren, m.1923, Sydney, to Joseph R SIMPSON William, b.1903, d.1903, Warren Lily, b.1905, d.1905, Warren Mildred M, b.1906, d.1913, Warren Mervyn b.1909, Warren, m. 1935, Sydney, to Ella M SKEIN Ida, b.1911, d.1911, Warren Unnamed, b.1912, d.1912, Warren William, b.1915, Warren 2nd Marr: William OVENDEN, 1886 Dubbo, Children: Ada Amelia, b.1880, Forbes, 1. m.1902, Forbes, to George A WILSON 2. m.1909, Forbes, to Robert D RYAN Albert, b.1881 Forbes, m. 1904, Forbes, to Alice HOUGH Alfred Edward, b.1883, Forbes, m.1914, Bathurst, to Emma M KING Richard S, b.1885, Forbes, Isabel R, b.1887, Forbes, m.1903, Forbes,to Thomas LEONARD Eileen E, b.1888, Forbes, m.1913, Bathurst, to William A WOOLFE William, b.1890, Forbes, m.1910, Forbes to Ellen M SMITH 3rd Marr: George TANKS, Church of St Paul, Nyngan, 1908 I cannot find a death for Mary Ann or a birth for George Tanks, on the marriage certificate his age means he would have been born abt 1853 in Penrith NSW. I am hoping someone may be able to help as Mary Ann is my brick wall. I am also hoping there may be some relatives in and around Nyngan or Forbes or Warren that may know of these families. Thank you for reading this long message. Kind regards, Ducie Hood Tweed Heads, home of Mt Warning, where the sun first kisses Australia http://www.geocities.com/twintownsfamilyhistory Protected by Norton Anti-Virus, updated daily

Elaine I have a Frank STEPHENSON born about 1878 in Forbes which I love to know more about. I also have my great aunt Ethel HUTCHINSON married to a Robert James WRIGHT in 1934 at Brewarrina. He was born about 1900 but I have not followed his line yet. Even the smallest connection will be humbly and greatly received. Maggi Perth Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: Bill Symonds [mailto:billsymo@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2005 9:57 PM To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Let's start posting Hi My wife has Stevenson links in her family , Please email me at the address below. billsymo@bigpond.net.au www.users.bigpond.com/bill_symo.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "elshie" <elshie@eircom.net> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Let's start posting > Hello Jill, > > I joined this list only recently and - until your message today - had > concluded that it must be defunct! Glad to know there's still someone out > there. > > In this area I'm particularly interested in STEPHENSON (also Stevenson), > ROOK, COX, WRIGHT, BRANDT, TOWERS, LUCAS, and will be glad to hear from > anyone with possible connections. > > Elaine > (Aussie, now living in Ireland) > > Rook, Saisell/Saysell, Clarke, Stephenson/Stevenson, Cuthbertson, Cox, > Wright, Wisby, Lucas, Brandt, Towers, Opie, Tulau, Helm, Cross. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelson & Livingstone" <panjil@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:13 AM > Subject: [NSW-W] Let's start posting > > >> Hi everyone >> >> This list has been exceptionally quiet over the last few months. Now >> that the Christmas New Year festivities are almost over, let's start >> posting interests and sharing information again. >> >> I have recently made contact with a fellow MOXHAM researcher. Anyone >> else with an interest in that surname, either around Bourke, Penrith or >> Parramatta, please contact me and I will pass on what I have. >> >> Seasons greetings >> >> Jill >> >> >> ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== >> This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole >> list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they >> would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat >> back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >> >> > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve > months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ >

Hi My wife has Stevenson links in her family , Please email me at the address below. billsymo@bigpond.net.au www.users.bigpond.com/bill_symo.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "elshie" <elshie@eircom.net> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Let's start posting > Hello Jill, > > I joined this list only recently and - until your message today - had > concluded that it must be defunct! Glad to know there's still someone out > there. > > In this area I'm particularly interested in STEPHENSON (also Stevenson), > ROOK, COX, WRIGHT, BRANDT, TOWERS, LUCAS, and will be glad to hear from > anyone with possible connections. > > Elaine > (Aussie, now living in Ireland) > > Rook, Saisell/Saysell, Clarke, Stephenson/Stevenson, Cuthbertson, Cox, > Wright, Wisby, Lucas, Brandt, Towers, Opie, Tulau, Helm, Cross. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelson & Livingstone" <panjil@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:13 AM > Subject: [NSW-W] Let's start posting > > >> Hi everyone >> >> This list has been exceptionally quiet over the last few months. Now >> that the Christmas New Year festivities are almost over, let's start >> posting interests and sharing information again. >> >> I have recently made contact with a fellow MOXHAM researcher. Anyone >> else with an interest in that surname, either around Bourke, Penrith or >> Parramatta, please contact me and I will pass on what I have. >> >> Seasons greetings >> >> Jill >> >> >> ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== >> This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole >> list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they >> would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat >> back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >> >> > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve > months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ >

Be careful with your ancestors graves in the very old section at Rookwood as the Italian's have erected huge mausoleum's over old graves in the old sections, I spoke to to the people at the catholic section and they were very co-operative and found my great grandmothers grave which has no headstone but i shall be putting one there for her, they wrote my name and contact details down as the person to contact re this grave so that it is not a deserted or uncontactable relative grave,I suggest all those who have relatives in the very old sections do just that write or call at the office and put down your name as the contact person so that they cannot build over the old graves Ray .

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Elaine Rogers" > There must be a lot of unmarked graves around. As well there must be some > people buried in graves and the death never registered as it was too far > to > town to register. Absolutely!!! >>I have a Charles Henry Read who I cannot even find a > registration of his death. We know he was a boundary rider out between > Gilgunnia and Mount Hope. I asked my mum as she grew up in the Mount Hope area - unfortunately she doesnt remember the name and said if her mum was still alive or Aunty Em they would have remembered. I did however buy the local history books for Warren and Nyngan (which includes wuite a bit about Hermidale). There are various private graves mentioned in them, eg graves found on properties in the area. I remember one was for a man who drowned and one was a swagman's grave. I will go through and see what I can find and post them to the list - it may help someone out there. "It is not how much we do, but how much love we put in the doing. It is not how much we give, but how much love we put in the giving." ~ ~ Mother Teresa ~ ~ Keep Looking For Rainbows!! _--_|\ /Karen \ \ _.--._ /

----- Original Message ----- From: "emailslade" >>I am not sure what they ever did with the actual records. > I think Young has the same problem too, as when the cemetery was moved way > way back the records of who was buried is just gone (I think). Thanks Raylene, I have done many a search for cemetery records over the last few months and its amazing where they turn up. Most often they are held by the local council as at some stage ownership of the cemetery passed to council. Sometimes you need to do detective work. eg I tried to find out where Warrens cemetery records were and actually rang the undertakers (now retired) and found that he had donated his records to the library. I rang Warren Library and the librarian admitted that they were supposed to be there but no one could find them. My uncle however was listed in the Dubbo Historical Societies Cemetery index. Which is good - except that he is in an unmarked grave so the index must have been compiled from the undertakers records. So the best guess is that someone from Dubbo HS borrowed them to do the index and didnt send them back. Hopefully they will be found as the undertakers and cemetery records contain a lot more information than what is on the headstone. In my uncles case I am desperate to find out who paid for his funeral - that is who has burial rites on his grave. Hopefully from that we can find out what happened as all we know is he fell from a horse and broke his neck. >>Really > horrible that your grandmother's grave was used twice - very YUK!! - Agreed - actually its hard not knowing if the grave was or wasn't reused. All they have are the name plates from the coffins, but unfortunately most of them were only scratched on not engraved so they can't be read anymore. I guess at least he kept the name plates and didnt just toss them then we wouldnt have a clue. I am a determined detective - but Nyngans records were definitely destroyed in a flood so thats a lost cause. At least the council at Nyngan is open to us placing a memorial there for the whole family. "It is not how much we do, but how much love we put in the doing. It is not how much we give, but how much love we put in the giving." ~ ~ Mother Teresa ~ ~ Keep Looking For Rainbows!! _--_|\ /Karen \ \ _.--._ /

Just a reminder to anyone who has connections to Hillston (and district) pre 1900 that the pioneer register forms are available from emailslade@bigpond.com The history of this small town is coming alive more and more with each new form that comes in, tradgedy, luck, survival - by gosh we are all the result of some pretty amazing people to have survived in the days gone by Raylene

Karen this certainly sounds horrible, I know at Hillston that there are many many unmarked graves. The original cemetery was closer to the inner town so they moved it but I am not sure what they ever did with the actual records. I think Young has the same problem too, as when the cemetery was moved way way back the records of who was buried is just gone (I think). Really horrible that your grandmother's grave was used twice - very YUK!! -

There must be a lot of unmarked graves around. As well there must be some people buried in graves and the death never registered as it was too far to town to register. I have a Charles Henry Read who I cannot even find a registration of his death. We know he was a boundary rider out between Gilgunnia and Mount Hope. We know he was alive in 1909 as he gave permission for his daughter Ada to marry in Penrith. His wife Isabella apparently remarried about 1924 a Thomas Carroll. I can only imagine Charles died in the Mount Hope, Gilgunnia, Nymagee or Hermidale area. Maybe someone out west may be able to help me. My guess is he is under a gum tree at Gilgunnia somewhere. Apparently he was a great pastry cook as well.. It is sad to think there are graves that are not marked and kept clean and tidy. Regards Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <karens@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: [NSW-W] Cemetery Records > Can anyone shed some light on Cemetery records for me. > > There are a lot of cemetery records available either on-line now or on CD or micro-fiche. But nearly all (if not all) are transcripts of headstones. Which means of course that those people without headstones (and thats a lot) are not recorded. > > Why do they do it from the more laborious transcription method and not the actual interment records? According to the Cemeteries Act a cemetery must make available their records to the public any time they are requested during business hours and they may be copied if the person requesting pays reasonable costs. > > According to state and federal privacy offices the Cemeteries act, which is very clear and specific, would over ride any privacy laws. So am I missing something here?? > > The reason that I am asking is because my grandfather died in 1930 and is buried in a public grave at Rookwood. (the old paupers burial, now called a destitute funeral). According to the cemetery they have lost the "map" for the section he is in. So while they can tell me the section and grave number they cannot specifically identify the 9 x 3 plot he is in. Hence they are saying we cannot place a headstone or other memorial. > > The section in question is a disgrace - its being used as a dump with old monuments, bricks etc in the middle of the section and someone is using it to keep commercial bee hives. Many of the graves have sunken and the whole area is covered in brambles etc. > > Its a complicated issue as to who is responsible because the government has the burial rights so theoretically they are responsible for the upkeep. > > I want to create a public campaign to clean up the area and if the map really cant be found to erect a memorial for everyone who is buried there - giving the families the option of personalising a name on a memorial wall. Most of these folk were destitute only because they died during the depression. > > The trust who has this particular plot does not have a great record for being co-operative, in fact when I rang they were VERY rude and insensitive. (I dont appreciate comments like why would you bother wanting to know he died so long ago or its only a some old bones buried in some dirt) and I just dont want to run into privacy issues. So far I cant see that there are any - but I may be missing something. > > And although current legislation days that they cant reuse graves I worry that that may change - its bad enough knowing that my grandmothers grave in Nyngan may have been re-used bu an unscrupulous undertaker many years ago I dont want that to happen to her husband. > > Karen - researching Schuler, Miller, Reed, Carrick and a host of other names in the Central West. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ > > >

Can anyone shed some light on Cemetery records for me. There are a lot of cemetery records available either on-line now or on CD or micro-fiche. But nearly all (if not all) are transcripts of headstones. Which means of course that those people without headstones (and thats a lot) are not recorded. Why do they do it from the more laborious transcription method and not the actual interment records? According to the Cemeteries Act a cemetery must make available their records to the public any time they are requested during business hours and they may be copied if the person requesting pays reasonable costs. According to state and federal privacy offices the Cemeteries act, which is very clear and specific, would over ride any privacy laws. So am I missing something here?? The reason that I am asking is because my grandfather died in 1930 and is buried in a public grave at Rookwood. (the old paupers burial, now called a destitute funeral). According to the cemetery they have lost the "map" for the section he is in. So while they can tell me the section and grave number they cannot specifically identify the 9 x 3 plot he is in. Hence they are saying we cannot place a headstone or other memorial. The section in question is a disgrace - its being used as a dump with old monuments, bricks etc in the middle of the section and someone is using it to keep commercial bee hives. Many of the graves have sunken and the whole area is covered in brambles etc. Its a complicated issue as to who is responsible because the government has the burial rights so theoretically they are responsible for the upkeep. I want to create a public campaign to clean up the area and if the map really cant be found to erect a memorial for everyone who is buried there - giving the families the option of personalising a name on a memorial wall. Most of these folk were destitute only because they died during the depression. The trust who has this particular plot does not have a great record for being co-operative, in fact when I rang they were VERY rude and insensitive. (I dont appreciate comments like why would you bother wanting to know he died so long ago or its only a some old bones buried in some dirt) and I just dont want to run into privacy issues. So far I cant see that there are any - but I may be missing something. And although current legislation days that they cant reuse graves I worry that that may change - its bad enough knowing that my grandmothers grave in Nyngan may have been re-used bu an unscrupulous undertaker many years ago I dont want that to happen to her husband. Karen - researching Schuler, Miller, Reed, Carrick and a host of other names in the Central West.

Hi everyone This list has been exceptionally quiet over the last few months. Now that the Christmas New Year festivities are almost over, let's start posting interests and sharing information again. I have recently made contact with a fellow MOXHAM researcher. Anyone else with an interest in that surname, either around Bourke, Penrith or Parramatta, please contact me and I will pass on what I have. Seasons greetings Jill