Dear Bill, I can find two references to Rocky Glen, but not exactly at Wilcannia. The first is considerably north east of Wilcannia at: http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/ Place Names Search: ROCKY GLEN STATE: NSW CUSTODIAN: GA FEATURE CODE: HMSD (Building) STATUS: Unofficial LATITUDE: 31º 02' S [Decimal Degrees -31.033º] LONGITUDE: 145º 15' E [Decimal Degrees 145.250º] EASTING: 333000 [UTM zone 55, GDA 94] NORTHING: 6565000 FEATURE NUMBER: O16173 100K MAP No.: 7935 http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name/search No listing There are two possibilities, from here but closer to Coonabarabran: .......... http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/maps/pmap/search/pmap_websearch.display If the above doesn't work use this shortcut:........ http://tinyurl.com/hrpw Not sure which is the correct one. Sorry I can't be any more precise, Tony Moore (Balgo, Western Australia) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Symonds <bill_symo@bigpond.com> To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:37:23 +1030 Subject: [NSW-W] Rocky Glen Hi List, Can sks help me with this one. My wifes g/father , James Hancock (Handcock), married Helen Smith at Rocky Glen , Wilcannia in 1906 . Can anyone tell me where "Rocky Glen", is or was , Please. Regards bill_symo@bigpond.com www.users.bigpond.com/bill_symo.htm ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to Surnames for further details.

Thanks Jill, for your comment. Personally, and from my mothers recollections, her grandmother was a very accomplished woman, who, on the death of 2 of her daughters in the 20's, after raising 6 children of her own, took on both young families of the aforementioned daughters and raised another generation of 7 grandchildren, all in a 2 bedroom timber cottage with a "sleep-out". As the wife of the local policeman she also had to cook meals for the prisoners in the local jail and supervise the women prisoners. - all unpaid, just part of being the wife of the Lock-up keeper! I wonder if she ever had time to just "smell the roses". No doubt the skills she acquired "at the bar" stood her in good stead in all she undertook. She was a barmaid in Silverton in 1888/9 when she married my great grandfather and life in an early mining town must have offered a great learning curve! Good on ya' Gran! Cheers, Lorraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson & Livingstone" <panjil@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Hotels 1865-1900. > Hi List > Re Lorraine's comments about not liking your ancestor was a barmaid, I have > had the general impression from my research that being a barmaid in these > country pubs in the last part of the 19th century was not a "rough" > occupation.

Hi List, Can sks help me with this one. My wifes g/father , James Hancock (Handcock), married Helen Smith at Rocky Glen , Wilcannia in 1906 . Can anyone tell me where "Rocky Glen", is or was , Please. Regards bill_symo@bigpond.com www.users.bigpond.com/bill_symo.htm

I have mixed experiences on this one, and none of them from the Western NSW area - all Gippsland. I think they mirror a little how women were viewed, and the single ones as opposed to the married ones. The three I can instantly call to mind are: A female (unmarried) teacher refusing to employ a pupil teacher in the 1870s/1880s, as she was "from the hotel" (ie her father was the publican) and it was even rumoured that she had served alcohol. This woman was, however, active in the temperance movement. The wife of one of the discoverers of Kalgoorlie. The couple ended up being the richest people around when they came back to Gippsland. However the society ladies never accepted her as she was the "daughter of the hotel, although she had never served in the bar and remained always in the parlour". She was, however, most revered, especially during WWI, but by the less exalted in society as an extremely practical philanthropist. Finally, there is something in the back of my mind about a time in Victorian history where there had to be a woman in some form of charge before a licence could be given for a hotel, as this was assumed to add a civilising influence. I THINK this may have been around the 1870s in a goldfields context. In other words, liquor control commissioners would not give a licence until a female presence could be demonstrated as a civilising influence. I do know one of my great aunts was highly esteemed for her role in outback hotels on the Darling, around 1900, but that was in conjunction with her husband. I suspect it was, as always, a case of it was an okay place for a married woman to be, but the bar was not really the place for either the married or unmarried woman, although they had a significant role as cooks and maids. So, I have just consulted my mother, who spent a short time working as a maid in hotels in both NSW and Victoria in the late 1940s. In the first one, in Windsor, NSW, she was under age and was not allowed in the bar in any capacity. In the second, in Heyfield, Victoria, she was over age, but there was no expectation to work in the bar as "there was a barman, and the licensee, and his wife, and it was the barman's job". "Did women ever pull beer in either of those hotels?" "The publicans wife did, in both of them". I've seen a bit in the paper recently about a book being released on female publicans - but I think they were just in Victoria. It was the subject of a PhD thesis. And I think it found several generations in some hotels, and was looked on by those women who were there, especially in the older generations, as somewhere a woman, often widowed, could work and support her family without having to go outside the "home" to work, and maintain her self-respect. Interesting subject! Linda At 12:54 PM 26/10/03 +1100, Jill wrote: >Hi List >Re Lorraine's comments about not liking your ancestor was a barmaid, I have >had the general impression from my research that being a barmaid in these >country pubs in the last part of the 19th century was not a "rough" >occupation. I'm only taking about an impression, but it seems as though >these women were accomplished cooks and housekeepers rather than rough >barmaids, as we might think of them in tough Sydney pubs in the early part >of the twentieth century. Can anyone out there confirm my impression? > >Jill

Hi List Is this town in our area? If so, can SKS tell me if there is a transcription done of Narrandera cemetery. I am still following up my family connection with John McCaughey who died on 20 June 1928. My great great aunt, who I think married him at some stage, did not seem to get a look in at the family funeral. I am intrigued to know if she got a mention on the headstone. He is buried in the Presbyterian portion beside his brother Sir Samuel McCaughey. Thanks Jill

Hi List Re Lorraine's comments about not liking your ancestor was a barmaid, I have had the general impression from my research that being a barmaid in these country pubs in the last part of the 19th century was not a "rough" occupation. I'm only taking about an impression, but it seems as though these women were accomplished cooks and housekeepers rather than rough barmaids, as we might think of them in tough Sydney pubs in the early part of the twentieth century. Can anyone out there confirm my impression? Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine" <lorraine@compassnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2003 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Hotels 1865-1900. > Dear Rusheen, > Congratulations on completing you project. It is these activities that make > it all worth while, seeing the results of so much hard work. You probably > aren't ready for questions and lookups yet, especially if you are going to > put your list on the web page... but......could I prevail upon you for just > one favour...? > I have "family story" that my great grandmother, Norah Lyons, who was a > barmaid in Silverton, took up that profession because her father owned(?) / > ran(?) a hotel. Could be a sanitized version because the relevant aunt from > whence the story came, might not have liked the idea that her ancestor was > behind the bar....but there could have been a modicum of truth too. I have > exhausted the usual sources and am now looking at other alternatives. > > Norah's father was Thomas Lyons and he came from South Australia. Norah and > her husband ( James Flood, the local policeman!) were around the far west > and spent some time at Wentworth, Hay, Deniliquin, Tupal Berrigan etc > between 1889 and 1906. I suppose that it is possible Norah had family in > this area too but I cannot find any BDM references for the rest of the > family. > > Just wondering if the Lyons family name appears anywhere in your lists. I > suppose there is always the chance that he was a yardman or something along > that line too. > Many thanks in anticipation > Lorraine > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To search posts to the list, even back to 1999, go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and, when asked, enter the list name as AUS-NSW-WEST > >

Forwarded on behalf of Robyn >Old-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:54:56 +1000 >From: mrshaw@bigpond.com >Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Marriage >To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > >well in my case, the couple married so they could get a married pension. >he was older than she was, so they got a combined one. for those wondering >what on earth we are talking about, it is marrying years after you told >everybody you did. i got a few red faces when i pionted out, tactfully, >that the marriage form was just the intention to marry form. it did happen. >in 1952, not 1927....ho hum...robyn.toowoomba. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cate Turner" <turnerca@telstra.com> >Subject: [NSW-W] Marriage > > > > Hi Jill, > > > > Based on personal experience I would have to agree with Linda. I had a >very similar experience with my Webb line. Eventually discovered that the >couple married 17 years after their youngest child was born. You have to >wonder why they bothered. All the children were registered as Stanley (her >maiden name) and not told. Consequently there were some very red faces when >birth certificates were sought by the children later in life. > > > > Cate

Sorry Lorraine, I've spent about an hour trying to find him amongst the publicans, without luck. The list is presented alphabetically by hotel, not publican. Areas are given, but are not the primary sorting tool. The reason for this is well illustrated by Broken Hill :- firstly it appears under Silverton; then Silverton-Broken Hill; then Broken Hill; so if listed alphabetically by district the same pub would appear under BH, S, and SBH and would not have any continuity. The name "Lyons" certainly sounds familiar. I'll keep your letter on file and if I come across it before I pass things on to Linda I'll let you know. I would need to know the actual hotel under which to include your family information. When the list of Publican's Licenses come out, they will be able to be checked by using the search engine on NSW-WEST. Regards...............Rusheen. > From: "Lorraine" <lorraine@compassnet.com.au> > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:41:10 +1000 >> >> I have "family story" that my great grandmother, Norah Lyons, who was a > barmaid in Silverton, took up that profession because her father owned(?) / > ran(?) a hotel. Could be a sanitized version because the relevant aunt from > whence the story came, might not have liked the idea that her ancestor was > behind the bar....but there could have been a modicum of truth too. I have > exhausted the usual sources and am now looking at other alternatives. > > Norah's father was Thomas Lyons and he came from South Australia. Norah and > her husband ( James Flood, the local policeman!) were around the far west > and spent some time at Wentworth, Hay, Deniliquin, Tupal Berrigan etc > between 1889 and 1906. I suppose that it is possible Norah had family in > this area too but I cannot find any BDM references for the rest of the > family. > > Just wondering if the Lyons family name appears anywhere in your lists. I > suppose there is always the chance that he was a yardman or something along > that line too. > Many thanks in anticipation > Lorraine > >

Dear Rusheen, Congratulations on completing you project. It is these activities that make it all worth while, seeing the results of so much hard work. You probably aren't ready for questions and lookups yet, especially if you are going to put your list on the web page... but......could I prevail upon you for just one favour...? I have "family story" that my great grandmother, Norah Lyons, who was a barmaid in Silverton, took up that profession because her father owned(?) / ran(?) a hotel. Could be a sanitized version because the relevant aunt from whence the story came, might not have liked the idea that her ancestor was behind the bar....but there could have been a modicum of truth too. I have exhausted the usual sources and am now looking at other alternatives. Norah's father was Thomas Lyons and he came from South Australia. Norah and her husband ( James Flood, the local policeman!) were around the far west and spent some time at Wentworth, Hay, Deniliquin, Tupal Berrigan etc between 1889 and 1906. I suppose that it is possible Norah had family in this area too but I cannot find any BDM references for the rest of the family. Just wondering if the Lyons family name appears anywhere in your lists. I suppose there is always the chance that he was a yardman or something along that line too. Many thanks in anticipation Lorraine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Elaine Rogers" >>Wish I could visit the archives in > Sydney to do some research. Which archives do you want searching done in Elaine? I am in Sydney and heading out to Kingswood in the very near future probably next week if I can get a nurse and some more information I am waiting on comes in. I can probably get into the State Library if you need. Also my mother, as you know grew up in Bobadah and the surrounding area, if she can help in any way let me know. (She has been unwell but is getting back to her old self) Take Care Karen

Is there anyone on the list that currently lives in Nyngan? My Aunt turned 90 this week, and she has been very talkative about her early childhood in and around Nyngan. (Great for us!!) For example we recently sent her a current street map of Nyngan and she was saying how much it had changed, including some of the street names, which I can't verify on old town maps. This started her describing in great detail the house that they used to live in. She remembers it as being in Dation Street but which is Bogan Street on current maps. It was on the corner opposite the primary school. This is around 1917. I have someone in the Lands Office doing a title search backwards from the Crown Grant for me but I am wondering if the house may still be there or if it has been demolished and rebuilt? She also spoke about the Caholic Church and the convent and how they boarded children at the convent from outlying properties, that the main street has changed as has the railway station.......... I have written to the Catholic Church but would love to talk to anyone who is still in Nyngan. I am planning a trip to Nyngan as soon as I can, but my son has multiple medical problems and there is no way I can take him on a ventilator to Nyngan in the summer. My Aunt has also been busy telling us about life on various properties around Nyngan. They include Mulla Mulla (which is in the Parish of Ruby not the Parish of Mulla Mulla) Summervale Box Cowal Half Moon and Girilambone (we think still checking on the spelling, most of my Aunts schooling was via correspondence so reading and writing are still very much "how things sounded") If anyone has any connection with these or any information I would dearly love to speak with you. Many Thanks Karen

Rusheen, Bobadah is 30 mile east of Nymagee. i cannot give much information on the hotels except that according to the booklet that the locals did a few years ago a Mick Martin was the last publican at Bobadah.The last hotel was destroyed by fire in 1922. Wish I could visit the archives in Sydney to do some research. I live near Brisbane and it is really quite expensive to employ a researcher. My Dad and his family were all bred and born at Bobadah. Regards Elaine Rusheen Craig wrote: > Spot on Elaine! > > I have a Bobadah Hotel in the Nymagee District going to Sarah Robertson in > 1899. Is there any connection? I knew nothng about the mining connections, > so, with your permission, I would like to include your information to help > others searching for their pub ancestors. The Commercial Hotel, Nymagee, I > have publicans from 1897 onwards. The Royal Hotel, Nymagee, I have from 1897 > with George Clarke. I know NOTHING ABOUT ALL THIS, so would love to find out > ANYTHING that could put some meat on the bones of the official records. > > Thank you for your response - would love to hear any snippets gleaned from > your family background. > > Regards ........Rusheen. > > ---------- > From: Alan & Elaine Rogers <erogers@powerup.com.au> > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:47:40 +1000 > To: Rusheen Craig <recraig@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Hotels > > Dear Rusheen, Hoping when the list is complete that you may have > something on the hotels and publicans at both Bobadah and Nymagee. > Bobadah was an old gold mining community and I believe had some hotels > there. Bobadah was originally named Carpina. I do remember Mum speaking > of Conley's hotel at Nangerybone station. Just found my book the locals > did about Bobadah. There was a Bobadah Hotel, Commercial Hotel and Royal > Hotel. as well as other licenced premises. There was no hotel in > existence by 1947. There could well have been other hotls in the area > because my dad used to tell me there was once 7 hotels at Bobadah. How > true this was I do not know without doing a search in Sydney which is a > little difficult for me. Regards Elaine. > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved.

Spot on Elaine! I have a Bobadah Hotel in the Nymagee District going to Sarah Robertson in 1899. Is there any connection? I knew nothng about the mining connections, so, with your permission, I would like to include your information to help others searching for their pub ancestors. The Commercial Hotel, Nymagee, I have publicans from 1897 onwards. The Royal Hotel, Nymagee, I have from 1897 with George Clarke. I know NOTHING ABOUT ALL THIS, so would love to find out ANYTHING that could put some meat on the bones of the official records. Thank you for your response - would love to hear any snippets gleaned from your family background. Regards ........Rusheen. ---------- From: Alan & Elaine Rogers <erogers@powerup.com.au> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:47:40 +1000 To: Rusheen Craig <recraig@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Hotels Dear Rusheen, Hoping when the list is complete that you may have something on the hotels and publicans at both Bobadah and Nymagee. Bobadah was an old gold mining community and I believe had some hotels there. Bobadah was originally named Carpina. I do remember Mum speaking of Conley's hotel at Nangerybone station. Just found my book the locals did about Bobadah. There was a Bobadah Hotel, Commercial Hotel and Royal Hotel. as well as other licenced premises. There was no hotel in existence by 1947. There could well have been other hotls in the area because my dad used to tell me there was once 7 hotels at Bobadah. How true this was I do not know without doing a search in Sydney which is a little difficult for me. Regards Elaine.

Hi Gretta, It is very kind of you to make the offer, but unfortunately Bathurst and Orange have their own Rootsweb List and I would have been treading on too many toes and upsetting lots of people (as well as never finishing the work) had I strayed beyond what were the defined West and Central List areas. Thank you again for the offer. Regards ...................Rusheen. > From: gsculthorp@bigpond.com > Reply-To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:31:49 +1000 > To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Hotels 1865-1900. > Resent-From: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:57:14 -0600 > > Hello Rusheen, > I will send you a list of the hotels connected with "my" Melton family in > Bathurst. > Gretta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rusheen Craig" <recraig@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:07 AM > Subject: [NSW-W] Hotels 1865-1900. > > >

Hello Rusheen, I will send you a list of the hotels connected with "my" Melton family in Bathurst. Gretta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusheen Craig" <recraig@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:07 AM Subject: [NSW-W] Hotels 1865-1900. > I have completed a list of Publicans Licenses for 1865-1900 for Western NSW, > and for 1865-1870 for Central NSW - about 1400 hotels. > > To accompany this I have taken articles and advertisements from the > newspapers of the time, and extracts from books, to give a glimpse of what > life was like for the holders of these Publican's Licenses. Included in this > section are some BRIEF histories (a couple of paragraphs) of some of the > families who were in some way involved with the hotels. > > Does anyone have any information that they would like to contribute to this > section - be it information on the hotels (for that period), or their own > "hotel-family" history? > > Both sections will be available on NSW-WEST when Linda is given the material > and undertakes this mammoth task. > > Regards......................Rusheen. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > This list is set that so, by default, replies to messages go to the whole list. Please feel free to send replies to the list where you think they would be of interest to the whole list, but if it is only personal chat back and forth, please send messages just between the parties involved. >

Hi Everyone, The list has been *down*, but hopefully everything is now right. This one has come in in the meantime, and I know of another out there Rusheen and I have been trying to send. There *may* be other messages out there that have been waylaid. Please send them again - I hope everyone will prefer to get them twice rather than not at all Cheers Linda List-admin AUS-NSW-WEST >From: "Sue Dahlke" <dahlke@powerup.com.au> >Subject: Roberts Descendants > >Hi, > >I'm hoping to make contact with descendants of any of the following people. > >George W Roberts born 1891 Nymagee >Edward Roberts born 1894 Mt Hope >Myrtle A Roberts born 1897 Mt Hope >Margaret W Roberts born 1901 Cobar > >If anybody out there has any information please contact me. > >Thanks from Qld >Sue

I have completed a list of Publicans Licenses for 1865-1900 for Western NSW, and for 1865-1870 for Central NSW - about 1400 hotels. To accompany this I have taken articles and advertisements from the newspapers of the time, and extracts from books, to give a glimpse of what life was like for the holders of these Publican's Licenses. Included in this section are some BRIEF histories (a couple of paragraphs) of some of the families who were in some way involved with the hotels. Does anyone have any information that they would like to contribute to this section - be it information on the hotels (for that period), or their own "hotel-family" history? Both sections will be available on NSW-WEST when Linda is given the material and undertakes this mammoth task. Regards......................Rusheen.

I have completed a list of Publicans Licenses for 1865-1900 for Western NSW, and for 1865-1870 for Central NSW - about 1400 hotels. To accompany this I have taken articles and advertisements from the newspapers of the time, and extracts from books, to give a glimpse of what life was like for the holders of these Publican's Licenses. Included in this section are some BRIEF histories (a couple of paragraphs) of some of the families who were in some way involved with the hotels. Does anyone have any information that they would like to contribute to this section - be it information on the hotels (for that period), or their own "hotel-family" history? Both sections will be available on NSW-WEST when Linda is given the material and undertakes this mammoth task. Regards......................Rusheen.

I have completed a list of Publicans Licenses for 1865-1900 for Western NSW, and for 1865-1870 for Central NSW - about 1400 hotels. To accompany this I have taken articles and advertisements from the newspapers of the time, and extracts from books, to give a glimpse of what life was like for the holders of these Publican's Licenses. Included in this section are some BRIEF histories (a couple of paragraphs) of some of the families who were in some way involved with the hotels. Does anyone have any information that they would like to contribute to this section - be it information on the hotels (for that period), or their own "hotel-family" history? Both sections will be available on NSW-WEST when Linda is given the material and undertakes this mammoth task. Regards......................Rusheen.

Hi Everyone, I am wondering if anyone has any information on the Keegan family who travelled around western NSW in the mid 1800's they had children in Wyalong, Barmedam, Gundagai and Parkes. Any relatives of this family still living there? Hope to hear from somebody soon Fiona from Queensland