Seeking information on the families of William Ernest Funnell m Maude Caroline Barrett and their predecessors. All information gratefully acknowledged. Dawn Geddes, Sydney Researching Muddle, Andrews, Geddes, Funnell & Barrett

Digger - Inquest Index. Victoria 1840 - 1985 Query ----- Surname : Robinson (574 matches) Given Names : cyril (268 matches) Total matching records: 1 -------------------- Surname: ROBINSON Given Names: Cyril Age: Place: Year: 1940 Reference: 174 Sex: Cause: Motorcar accident Occupation: Inq Date: 1940-2-14 Nationality: Ship: Notes: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill White" <eisenberg1953@yahoo.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: [NSW-W] Inquest information - Robinson > Hi everyone, > > Could some one with access to the Archives Resources Kit check and see if the death of Cyril C Robinson died 6 October 1939 was subject to an inquest. > > Thanks > > > > Jill White > Katherine NT > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Personals > - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > The Home Page for this List is at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ > >

Thanks so much for the info, John Regards...............Rusheen. > From: "eeastrid@bigpond.net.au" <eeastrid@bigpond.net.au> > Reply-To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:52:21 +1100 > To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Hotel at Dubbo. > Resent-From: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:55:29 -0700 > > > It is believed to be The Macquarie Inn built in Mitchell Street South Dubbo. > The Daily Liberal did a wrie up about the early hotels here in Dubbo this > year. http://www.yourguide.com.au > > Mitchell Street still exists today it has some of the oldest homesteads still > standing today. 5 Minute walk down from Cobra Street (Mitchell Highway) turn > off at Brisbane or Macquarie Street South. > > John Mason >> >> > > >

Hi everyone, Could some one with access to the Archives Resources Kit check and see if the death of Cyril C Robinson died 6 October 1939 was subject to an inquest. Thanks Jill White Katherine NT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time!

It is believed to be The Macquarie Inn built in Mitchell Street South Dubbo. The Daily Liberal did a wrie up about the early hotels here in Dubbo this year. http://www.yourguide.com.au Mitchell Street still exists today it has some of the oldest homesteads still standing today. 5 Minute walk down from Cobra Street (Mitchell Highway) turn off at Brisbane or Macquarie Street South. John Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Rusheen Craig <recraig@optusnet.com.au> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2003 5:28 pm Subject: [NSW-W] Hotel at Dubbo. > I have a wonderful photo labelled > > "The First Hotel in Dubbo (About 1845)." > S.A. Mosely & Co. Publishers. > Small, one storey; wrap-around verandah - held up by posts into > the bare > ground. > > Can anyone tell me what this hotel was called? > > TIA.........Regards ..........Rusheen. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go > to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to > Surnames for further details. > >

Hoping someone may have come across this name. Or SKS is able to look-up either a marriage or death. Mary Agnes was born in Bendigo, around 1900. Daughter of Daniel Hickey and Mary Ryan. May have moved to Canberra. Also believed to have had three daughters. Tom Hickey

I have a wonderful photo labelled "The First Hotel in Dubbo (About 1845)." S.A. Mosely & Co. Publishers. Small, one storey; wrap-around verandah - held up by posts into the bare ground. Can anyone tell me what this hotel was called? TIA.........Regards ..........Rusheen.

Hi Robyn, This confirms what I have found in the official records. There was reported a case where the Court hearing the application for a Publican's License was adjourned to a later date for certificates of character to be produced. I didn't see the report of what followed - but there was no license given to this chap. Your comments also show VERY CLEARLY that what I am presenting is only the official version. Our ancestors weren't stupid - they knew how to work the system to their own ends. I've got several reports where the traveller states that the publican and the Homestead Lessee was the same person. I suspect that my Garrett Byrnes got around this by officially transferring his Homestead Lease to his father when he took over the hotel. Also there no mention ever made officially that the pubs were sold - just a form for the transfer of License - as if the only cost was the Annual Licensing Fee. Yet in the papers the hotels were for sale. Regards .............Rusheen. > From: Linda Barraclough <kapana@netspace.net.au> > Reply-To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:40:25 +1100 > To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fwd: Re: [NSW-W] Barmaids > Resent-From: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:40:16 -0700 > > >> From: mrshaw <mrshaw@telstra.com> >> Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Barmaids >> >> my lot got the pub in the daughters name as the father had been convicted >> of a criminal offence. they also had another in a ladies name as the >> publican had to always be on the premises, and if he was off at the >> frailway station picking up a barrel of beer, obviously he could not be on >> the premises. >> the other got it because her husband died. robyn shaw. toowoomba. qld. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > Neighbouring Lists at Rootsweb are: AUS-NSW-PILLIGA, NSW-ORANGEBATHURST and > AUS-NSW-MANNING-VALLEY >

>From: mrshaw <mrshaw@telstra.com> >Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Barmaids > >my lot got the pub in the daughters name as the father had been convicted >of a criminal offence. they also had another in a ladies name as the >publican had to always be on the premises, and if he was off at the >frailway station picking up a barrel of beer, obviously he could not be on >the premises. >the other got it because her husband died. robyn shaw. toowoomba. qld.

Hi List This beautiful little book has just been published. I am happy to do look ups for you, or you can purchase the book it is about $12 plus $5 postage from memory. It is available from Bourke Library, email Bourke Library <bourkeli@mail.lisp.com.au> For those, like me still waiting on the 14 vols of History of Bourke on cd rom, I have been told another month yet. It will be distributed by Back O Bouke Exhibition Centre, and will be around 40 or 50 dollars. I will let you know when I hear more. Best wishes Jill

Thanks Jill I'll do some more digging to see if this is the same family Julie

No information re Jack, but from History of Bourke Vol X, have a Patrick J WELDON and brother George. First recorded at Mount Oxley hotel on the present Greenvale. Had the Bushman's Arms, Bourke (not located - WJC(ed) - listed as Charles street, but other evidence suggests Section 34, the south side of Short Street, 1882-84). {Rusheen, I bet this one does not even exist in official records!!} In 1891 was a member of the Roman Catholic Church Committee. Family of 5 girls and 2 boys including (Mary) Mrs Herb White (Goombalie Hotel). Another daughter was Ann, who married James Grange 14/12/1912 and was on the river boats to Louth and Tilpa. Another daughter Mrs O E Ryan, of Brewarrina. Patrick's wife died 27/09/05 aged 58. Mary later married Tom Dykes. William John Weldon died 23/09/1957 aged 66. J Weldon's small son died January 1918. Also P J WELDON mentioned in Bourke Honour Roll for WWII. Hope this helps. Jill

Having done the Hotels for out West, it is perhaps significant that I have very little that I can add to the role played by women within hotels. I saw the interview about the PhD thesis on women in hotels. I agree that publican's licenses could be granted to both men and women. In the west the overwhelming majority of these licenses went to men. Most of the licenses that did go to women were issued because they were the widows of the publican of that hotel. The Publican's Licensing Act of 1863 said that these licenses could be transferred without contest ie. it was accepted that the woman could carry on the job in the absence of the husband. However this view of a woman as a mirror image of her husband could have a downside. His suspected "crimes" became hers. Mrs Whiteus applied for the license of the Carrier's Arms, Booligal, and was opposed by the police. She was the widow of John Whiteus, and the House,...manager of the House and whatever scandal brought forward would have to be proved...The heinous crime of which they were accused was unlicensed entertainment. And before anyone starts conjuring up pictures in their mind of what that might be - they were charged with playing music in their hotel when the hotel did not have an entertainment license. The matter was resolved with the concert room being made part of the public house, and thus under the control of the Bench. The police withdrew their objection, and Mrs W. got her license. ( Hay Standard, April 17, 1872.) The other claim of the PhD thesis was that women had a civilizing influence on the establishment. Out west - they could try. Mrs Smith of the Wilpatera Hotel, on the Anabranch, could not bear to see men drinking when she thought they had had enough and when asked how she prevented it, she replied in her direct way, "On Sundays I used to lock the door, put the key in my pocket and go for a walk in the bush picking wildflowers. Sometimes I would visit a neighbour." ....Mrs Smith...subdued the hard drinking fencers, drovers and teamsters who called at Wilpatera. Gradually they went for their sprees elsewhere and the lease of the hotel lapsed in 1874. ( Withers Maxine, Bushmen of the Great Anabranch, 1989, pp.64-65.) I did not come across any stipulation that there should be a woman in some form of authority for a publican's license in NSW. What did have to be provided at all times was accommodation and food. Now the Aussie bloke was not noted for being great in the kitchen, so perhaps this is where the idea came in of the necessity of a woman on the premises. In fact it is the woman as the provider of a pleasant function venue that is most presented in newspaper reports of the time. She is the one who effortlessly puts on a spread for 70 people for luncheon in a room bedecked with evergreens. Praise is always given to her at any gathering - particularly in the smaller hotels along the Darling. When it comes to the bigger centre, like Broken Hill at the peak of the mining boom, such nicieties as praising the hostess, seem largely to be forgotten. In hotel advertisements, much was made of the facilities offered and the name of the publican; only rarely were the contributions of the publican's wife mentioned. The above is just the official records - what actually happened might have been very different. My family had hotels along the Darling. This has been spoken of with pride, and there has never been any mention that this was in any way belittling for the woman. This I know is about publican's wives rather than barmaids as such - but it is the best that I can do. Regards..............Rusheen. > From: Linda Barraclough <kapana@netspace.net.au> > > I have mixed experiences on this one, and none of them from the Western NSW > area - all Gippsland. I think they mirror a little how women were viewed, > and the single ones as opposed to the married ones. > >> > Finally, there is something in the back of my mind about a time in > Victorian history where there had to be a woman in some form of charge > before a licence could be given for a hotel, as this was assumed to add a > civilising influence. I THINK this may have been around the 1870s in a > goldfields context. In other words, liquor control commissioners would not > give a licence until a female presence could be demonstrated as a > civilising influence. > > I do know one of my great aunts was highly esteemed for her role in outback > hotels on the Darling, around 1900, but that was in conjunction with her > husband. I suspect it was, as always, a case of it was an okay place for a > married woman to be, but the bar was not really the place for either the > married or unmarried woman, although they had a significant role as cooks > and maids. > > So, I have just consulted my mother, who spent a short time working as a > maid in hotels in both NSW and Victoria in the late 1940s. In the first > one, in Windsor, NSW, she was under age and was not allowed in the bar in > any capacity. In the second, in Heyfield, Victoria, she was over age, but > there was no expectation to work in the bar as "there was a barman, and the > licensee, and his wife, and it was the barman's job". "Did women ever pull > beer in either of those hotels?" "The publicans wife did, in both of them". > > I've seen a bit in the paper recently about a book being released on female > publicans - but I think they were just in Victoria. It was the subject of a > PhD thesis. And I think it found several generations in some hotels, and > was looked on by those women who were there, especially in the older > generations, as somewhere a woman, often widowed, could work and support > her family without having to go outside the "home" to work, and maintain > her self-respect. > > Interesting subject! > > Linda > > > At 12:54 PM 26/10/03 +1100, Jill wrote: >> Hi List >> Re Lorraine's comments about not liking your ancestor was a barmaid, I have >> had the general impression from my research that being a barmaid in these >> country pubs in the last part of the 19th century was not a "rough" >> occupation. I'm only taking about an impression, but it seems as though >> these women were accomplished cooks and housekeepers rather than rough >> barmaids, as we might think of them in tough Sydney pubs in the early part >> of the twentieth century. Can anyone out there confirm my impression? >> >> Jill

Yes Julie, tell us some more. I have a small bio on a Patrick J WELDON, brother George, with the Mount Oxley Hotel in 1879. I will type up and send if this is the right time period. It is in vol X of the History of Bourke. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusheen Craig" <recraig@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Jack Weldon > What time period are we talking about Julie? > Could the Patrick Weldon who had two hotels in the Bourke area be one of the > sons? Mt Oxley Hotel 1879 to 1881, and Bushman's Arms 1882. > > Regards ...........Rusheen. >

Thanx Tony, For helping me find the right one , it is Slightly North West of Cobar. Obviously the name used by the church at that time for the name of the Parish in that area. regards Bill bill_symo@bigpond.com www.users.bigpond.com/bill_symo.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Moore" <tony-moore@myrealbox.com> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Rocky Glen Dear Bill, I can find two references to Rocky Glen, but not exactly at Wilcannia. The first is considerably north east of Wilcannia at: http://www.ga.gov.au/map/names/ Place Names Search: ROCKY GLEN STATE: NSW CUSTODIAN: GA FEATURE CODE: HMSD (Building) STATUS: Unofficial LATITUDE: 31º 02' S [Decimal Degrees -31.033º] LONGITUDE: 145º 15' E [Decimal Degrees 145.250º] EASTING: 333000 [UTM zone 55, GDA 94] NORTHING: 6565000 FEATURE NUMBER: O16173 100K MAP No.: 7935 http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name/search No listing There are two possibilities, from here but closer to Coonabarabran: .......... http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/maps/pmap/search/pmap_websearch.display If the above doesn't work use this shortcut:........ http://tinyurl.com/hrpw Not sure which is the correct one. Sorry I can't be any more precise, Tony Moore (Balgo, Western Australia) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Symonds <bill_symo@bigpond.com> To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:37:23 +1030 Subject: [NSW-W] Rocky Glen Hi List, Can sks help me with this one. My wifes g/father , James Hancock (Handcock), married Helen Smith at Rocky Glen , Wilcannia in 1906 . Can anyone tell me where "Rocky Glen", is or was , Please. Regards bill_symo@bigpond.com www.users.bigpond.com/bill_symo.htm ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== Have you registered your surnames on the NSW-WEST home page??? Go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ and from there to Surnames for further details. ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/

What time period are we talking about Julie? Could the Patrick Weldon who had two hotels in the Bourke area be one of the sons? Mt Oxley Hotel 1879 to 1881, and Bushman's Arms 1882. Regards ...........Rusheen. > From: Julie Roberts <robertsjk@bigpond.com> > Reply-To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:09:23 +1100 > To: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NSW-W] Jack Weldon > Resent-From: AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:11:07 -0700 > > Looking for info on Jack Weldon and wife Florence. > 2 children: John Patrick & Patrick John. > Had race horses around the Bourke area. > Thankyou > Julie. > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > To read previous messages to this list, for at least the last twelve months, > go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUS-NSW-WEST/ >

Looking for info on Jack Weldon and wife Florence. 2 children: John Patrick & Patrick John. Had race horses around the Bourke area. Thankyou Julie.

> I would like to know if there was an inquest into the death of Cyril Robinson. Presumably died in a mining explosion in Broken Hill in 1939. Inquests conducted in NSW until 1942 (I think) are indexed and available on microfilm. I can access them at my local library so if you can't get them in the NT I am happy to have a look next time I am up there. They aren't always so easy to find even in the index as the indexes are done according to type of death - eg fire, drowning etc and the date of the inquest may differ greatly to the date of death - depends on how quick they were to register the inquest findings which in country areas can be quite a while. The actual inquest papers are held at the Kingswood Repository. I am not sure whether they have any system for remote access at Kingswood, certainly you can get copies if you go there. The web site with the information about this is the NSW state records - http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

I would like to know if there was an inquest into the death of Cyril Robinson. Presumably died in a mining explosion in Broken Hill in 1939. This may have been a suicide or just an accident. Can anyone tell me where to start looking Thanks Jill White Katherine NT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time!

hi list, A different perspective on barmaids. My lovely, refined, fastidious, imaginative NANA was a barmaid in an inner city Sydney pub in the early part of C20. Her husband had left. There were no pensions. She had a child to support. I would never be ashamed of her. She did what she had to, and did it with style. Gretta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson & Livingstone" <panjil@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Hotels 1865-1900. > Hi List > Re Lorraine's comments about not liking your ancestor was a barmaid, I have > had the general impression from my research that being a barmaid in these > country pubs in the last part of the 19th century was not a "rough" > occupation. I'm only taking about an impression, but it seems as though > these women were accomplished cooks and housekeepers rather than rough > barmaids, as we might think of them in tough Sydney pubs in the early part > of the twentieth century. Can anyone out there confirm my impression? > > Jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorraine" <lorraine@compassnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-NSW-WEST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, 25 October 2003 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [NSW-W] Hotels 1865-1900. > > > > Dear Rusheen, > > Congratulations on completing you project. It is these activities that > make > > it all worth while, seeing the results of so much hard work. You probably > > aren't ready for questions and lookups yet, especially if you are going to > > put your list on the web page... but......could I prevail upon you for > just > > one favour...? > > I have "family story" that my great grandmother, Norah Lyons, who was a > > barmaid in Silverton, took up that profession because her father owned(?) > / > > ran(?) a hotel. Could be a sanitized version because the relevant aunt > from > > whence the story came, might not have liked the idea that her ancestor was > > behind the bar....but there could have been a modicum of truth too. I have > > exhausted the usual sources and am now looking at other alternatives. > > > > Norah's father was Thomas Lyons and he came from South Australia. Norah > and > > her husband ( James Flood, the local policeman!) were around the far west > > and spent some time at Wentworth, Hay, Deniliquin, Tupal Berrigan etc > > between 1889 and 1906. I suppose that it is possible Norah had family in > > this area too but I cannot find any BDM references for the rest of the > > family. > > > > Just wondering if the Lyons family name appears anywhere in your lists. I > > suppose there is always the chance that he was a yardman or something > along > > that line too. > > Many thanks in anticipation > > Lorraine > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > > To search posts to the list, even back to 1999, go to > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > and, when asked, enter the list name as AUS-NSW-WEST > > > > > > > ==== AUS-NSW-WEST Mailing List ==== > The Home Page for this List is at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/NSWW/ > >