If Charles Star was born in Victoria in 1837, then he would number among the first born europeans in Port Phillip district, and there should be a record of his birth/baptism or family, in contemporary records. If he lied about being born in Victoria, then he had reason to not want to admit that he was born elsewhere,, for example, he might have already been married as Charles Star from Cambridge, and he didn't want to be identified as that man in a second (bigamous) marriage. Or he might have been wanted by the Law, Charles' death certificate was filled in by another person, not Charles. So the information on it will only be what that Informant knew, or was told by family/friends. So a marriage certificate is sometimes viewed as a more reliable document as Charles himself would have filled it in. Also, the birth certificates of his children might yield further clues about his age/place of origin etc. So starting with the marriage certificate, can you say what occupation he held, where he married, and who his parents were on that marriage certificate, and who was the witnesses? cheers Jenny -----Original Message----- From: dianna charles Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:26 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANS] Charles Starr's marriage certificate HI I have a very confusing family history situation with the above. I have just received his marriage certificate to Maria Goody in NSW and it states that Charles Star was born in Victoria ( he was 24 in 1861). On his son's birth certificate it states Charles was born in Cambridge (England) and also on his death certificate it say's born in Cambridge, lived in NSW for 40 years (in 1897 Temora NSW) I'm trying to work out why he (or whoever) stated that he was born in Victoria and his parents are John Star (A farmer ) and ANN WRIGHT. Mary Wright is listed as mother on his death certificate. I'm just so lost now as nothing is adding up with this being Charles Starr from Foxton Cambridgeshire mother Ann LOKER and father John STARR. Help please any clues or suggestions. Kindest regards Dianna Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny Thanks for your reply, yes his marriage certificate states he was a 24 year old labourer, hs father John STAR was a farmer, his mother's name is Ann WRIGHT. He was married on North Logan Farm 25 November 1861 which is near Cowra his wife Maria Jane Gooda/Goody was a servant aged 17, she didn't know her mothers name and the place she gave for her birth is incorrect and fathers name is incorrect. The witness to the marriage was Andrew McClymont and Helen Sloan who I believed owned (or one of he owners) of North Logan farm. I have three birth certs of his children and they all state Charles seniors birth place as Cambridgeshire or just England. You would think that he knew who his parents were wouldn't you!! His death certificate states that he was from Cambridgeshire and that his parents were John Star and Mary WRIGHT and that he was in NSW for 40 years which tied in with what I find on the immigration records for him arriving in NSW in 1857, but could be wrong. Many thanks for your help and input. Kind regards Dianna

On 11/08/2012 7:27 PM, Dianna charles wrote: > Hi Jenny > Thanks for your reply, yes his marriage certificate states he was a 24 > year old labourer, his father John STAR was a farmer, his mother's name is > Ann WRIGHT. I chopped what followed so as to remark on this wee bit written by Dianna: > You would think that > he knew who his parents were wouldn't you!! Of course, babes adopted by strangers soon after birth often have <nil> info re their birth parents. Familiar problem!! A Birth Cert for a living middle- aged man in my neighbourhood was refused! by the NSW BDM registrar. Reason, they said there was NO NSW Index or Register entry corresponding to the birth info in his Application. Eventually, the "parents" names, the couple he called Mum and Dad, turned out to be his <<grandparents>>. As a child, he had always noticed that they seemed very much older than the parents of his school friends. His biological mother was in fact their unmarried daughter whom he was told was his 'big sister'. For many years he lived with this caring "big sister" unaware she was his true mother. You can guess what fuss and misery followed in the facts ultimately collected, as he researched the story at a local FH Centre and pestered distant rellies for info. The middle aged "victim" in this account, was not crippled by the new-found knowledge. He was eventually active in NSW politics. Alistair ======== BCC recipient YKW.... No Reply thanks.

Hi again Jenny It makes sense what you said about he may have broken the law in the UK as he was convicted of sheep stealing when he was living her in 1882, he served 6 months as he didn't want to pay the 50 pound fine, it would be interesting to find more detail on that. Kind regards Dianna

On 11/08/2012 2:33 PM, J. Fawcett wrote hers re Charles Star born in Victoria in 1837 Early VIC events may be found in the NSW Registers. I haven't been following this thread, but note these NSW marriages: 1886 #5900 groom STARR, CHARLES bride WALTERS, HARRIET E at MAITLAND EAST 1896 #4885 groom STARR, CHARLES bride ARMSTRONG, FLORENCE E at BLAYNEY Cheers, ALISTAIR