Thanks - I had forgotten abou those anti-aircraft guns, but I certainly remember the trench trenches rather like single land swimming pools in the wet! Joan > >> I do believe Alistair that you were the one who told me about school >> boys making the needles in woodwork classes... > > YES it was in Woodwork class Eastwood NSW Superprimary. At > Eastwood we had an active large anti-aircraft gun beside the > rail station, WW2.