Joy, thank you so much for the idea "Ask a Librarian" I didn't think of that and will keep it all in mind. Marg, thank you also for your lovely long email and for the information you sent to me. That seems to be the right Irene F Smith, and thank you for the date. Now I have that I will check a few other places I know of, I will let you know if anything comes from that searching. Yes, it is getting easier now with the computers and I always appreciate any help given to me by any one. I used to do all my own researching and spent twenty years helping others with their researching. Bill, thank you too for your email and the suggestions, I have enough now to follow up a bit more. I hope all these suggestions help others too. Genie (rainy Liverpool N S W)