On 11/08/2012 7:27 PM, Dianna charles wrote: > Hi Jenny > Thanks for your reply, yes his marriage certificate states he was a 24 > year old labourer, his father John STAR was a farmer, his mother's name is > Ann WRIGHT. I chopped what followed so as to remark on this wee bit written by Dianna: > You would think that > he knew who his parents were wouldn't you!! Of course, babes adopted by strangers soon after birth often have <nil> info re their birth parents. Familiar problem!! A Birth Cert for a living middle- aged man in my neighbourhood was refused! by the NSW BDM registrar. Reason, they said there was NO NSW Index or Register entry corresponding to the birth info in his Application. Eventually, the "parents" names, the couple he called Mum and Dad, turned out to be his <<grandparents>>. As a child, he had always noticed that they seemed very much older than the parents of his school friends. His biological mother was in fact their unmarried daughter whom he was told was his 'big sister'. For many years he lived with this caring "big sister" unaware she was his true mother. You can guess what fuss and misery followed in the facts ultimately collected, as he researched the story at a local FH Centre and pestered distant rellies for info. The middle aged "victim" in this account, was not crippled by the new-found knowledge. He was eventually active in NSW politics. Alistair ======== BCC recipient YKW.... No Reply thanks.

Hi Maree Yes please and I will see if I can be of any help patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maree Larsen Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 10:49 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Patrick .. I can send you the copy if you would like ? Maree -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Callaghan Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:14 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Devonshire St would be my guess also, what does his DC say patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maree Larsen Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 8:32 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Patrick .. yep have checked them all .. .I think he still might be under Central Railway Stn ..:( M.. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patrick .. I can send you the copy if you would like ? Maree -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Callaghan Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:14 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Devonshire St would be my guess also, what does his DC say patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maree Larsen Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 8:32 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Patrick .. yep have checked them all .. .I think he still might be under Central Railway Stn ..:( M..

Devonshire St would be my guess also, what does his DC say patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maree Larsen Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 8:32 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Patrick .. yep have checked them all .. .I think he still might be under Central Railway Stn ..:( M.. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Callaghan Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:30 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Morning Maree The only Rice I have is Elizabeth Rice, wife of Thomas Rice who was buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery 19 April 1871 (SMH funeral notice 17/4/1871) Both the Balmain General cemetery and the Balmain Catholic cemetery opened in 1868, so that's too late for your Michael, have you considered other cemeteries not far from Balmain, such as Camperdown, Petersham or Devonshire St All the best Patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maree Larsen Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012 7:20 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Hi Patrick .. I am still looking for my .. Michael RICE .. buried in 1860 ... I am pretty sure he was buried in Balmain .. can't seem to find him. Hope you might have info about him .. thanks so much Maree Larsen ===== ''I am also always happy to hear from anyone who thinks they have (or might have) anyone buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery, the burial records for this cemetery have been lost and to date I have discovered 994 of those buried there All the best Patrick Callaghan'' Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patrick .. yep have checked them all .. .I think he still might be under Central Railway Stn ..:( M.. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Callaghan Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:30 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Morning Maree The only Rice I have is Elizabeth Rice, wife of Thomas Rice who was buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery 19 April 1871 (SMH funeral notice 17/4/1871) Both the Balmain General cemetery and the Balmain Catholic cemetery opened in 1868, so that's too late for your Michael, have you considered other cemeteries not far from Balmain, such as Camperdown, Petersham or Devonshire St All the best Patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maree Larsen Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012 7:20 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Hi Patrick .. I am still looking for my .. Michael RICE .. buried in 1860 ... I am pretty sure he was buried in Balmain .. can't seem to find him. Hope you might have info about him .. thanks so much Maree Larsen ===== ''I am also always happy to hear from anyone who thinks they have (or might have) anyone buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery, the burial records for this cemetery have been lost and to date I have discovered 994 of those buried there All the best Patrick Callaghan'' Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning Maree The only Rice I have is Elizabeth Rice, wife of Thomas Rice who was buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery 19 April 1871 (SMH funeral notice 17/4/1871) Both the Balmain General cemetery and the Balmain Catholic cemetery opened in 1868, so that's too late for your Michael, have you considered other cemeteries not far from Balmain, such as Camperdown, Petersham or Devonshire St All the best Patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maree Larsen Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012 7:20 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] BURIALS AT gLADESVILL MENTAL HOSPITAL sYDNEY Hi Patrick .. I am still looking for my .. Michael RICE .. buried in 1860 ... I am pretty sure he was buried in Balmain .. can't seem to find him. Hope you might have info about him .. thanks so much Maree Larsen ===== ''I am also always happy to hear from anyone who thinks they have (or might have) anyone buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery, the burial records for this cemetery have been lost and to date I have discovered 994 of those buried there All the best Patrick Callaghan'' Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Alistair Thanks for that, yes Victoria was not actually Victoria when Charles was born c 1835 was it, so I don't know what he is on about. He was married in 1861 spelt with one R Star to Maria Goody. Thanks Dianna

On 11/08/2012 2:33 PM, J. Fawcett wrote hers re Charles Star born in Victoria in 1837 Early VIC events may be found in the NSW Registers. I haven't been following this thread, but note these NSW marriages: 1886 #5900 groom STARR, CHARLES bride WALTERS, HARRIET E at MAITLAND EAST 1896 #4885 groom STARR, CHARLES bride ARMSTRONG, FLORENCE E at BLAYNEY Cheers, ALISTAIR

Hi again Jenny It makes sense what you said about he may have broken the law in the UK as he was convicted of sheep stealing when he was living her in 1882, he served 6 months as he didn't want to pay the 50 pound fine, it would be interesting to find more detail on that. Kind regards Dianna

Hi Jenny Thanks for your reply, yes his marriage certificate states he was a 24 year old labourer, hs father John STAR was a farmer, his mother's name is Ann WRIGHT. He was married on North Logan Farm 25 November 1861 which is near Cowra his wife Maria Jane Gooda/Goody was a servant aged 17, she didn't know her mothers name and the place she gave for her birth is incorrect and fathers name is incorrect. The witness to the marriage was Andrew McClymont and Helen Sloan who I believed owned (or one of he owners) of North Logan farm. I have three birth certs of his children and they all state Charles seniors birth place as Cambridgeshire or just England. You would think that he knew who his parents were wouldn't you!! His death certificate states that he was from Cambridgeshire and that his parents were John Star and Mary WRIGHT and that he was in NSW for 40 years which tied in with what I find on the immigration records for him arriving in NSW in 1857, but could be wrong. Many thanks for your help and input. Kind regards Dianna

I am endeavouring to Transcribe Australian Cemetery Records for Family Search and whilst I am more than happy to do so and have completed a previous batch of only 20 names with no problems; this current Batch is of approx 1,517 names and is causing me no end of problems in that it is slowing the computer right down as well as other programs running at the same time. I have closed all programs expect the Transcribing Program and still; the Program itself slows the computer down so that you are waiting minutes at times, for it to do anything and at this rate; I will never, ever; finish Transcribing the Cemetery Records. Has any fellow lister done such transcribing and can provide a solution? Regards: Robert KEMSLEY

If Charles Star was born in Victoria in 1837, then he would number among the first born europeans in Port Phillip district, and there should be a record of his birth/baptism or family, in contemporary records. If he lied about being born in Victoria, then he had reason to not want to admit that he was born elsewhere,, for example, he might have already been married as Charles Star from Cambridge, and he didn't want to be identified as that man in a second (bigamous) marriage. Or he might have been wanted by the Law, Charles' death certificate was filled in by another person, not Charles. So the information on it will only be what that Informant knew, or was told by family/friends. So a marriage certificate is sometimes viewed as a more reliable document as Charles himself would have filled it in. Also, the birth certificates of his children might yield further clues about his age/place of origin etc. So starting with the marriage certificate, can you say what occupation he held, where he married, and who his parents were on that marriage certificate, and who was the witnesses? cheers Jenny -----Original Message----- From: dianna charles Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:26 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANS] Charles Starr's marriage certificate HI I have a very confusing family history situation with the above. I have just received his marriage certificate to Maria Goody in NSW and it states that Charles Star was born in Victoria ( he was 24 in 1861). On his son's birth certificate it states Charles was born in Cambridge (England) and also on his death certificate it say's born in Cambridge, lived in NSW for 40 years (in 1897 Temora NSW) I'm trying to work out why he (or whoever) stated that he was born in Victoria and his parents are John Star (A farmer ) and ANN WRIGHT. Mary Wright is listed as mother on his death certificate. I'm just so lost now as nothing is adding up with this being Charles Starr from Foxton Cambridgeshire mother Ann LOKER and father John STARR. Help please any clues or suggestions. Kindest regards Dianna Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI I have a very confusing family history situation with the above. I have just received his marriage certificate to Maria Goody in NSW and it states that Charles Star was born in Victoria ( he was 24 in 1861). On his son's birth certificate it states Charles was born in Cambridge (England) and also on his death certificate it say's born in Cambridge, lived in NSW for 40 years (in 1897 Temora NSW) I'm trying to work out why he (or whoever) stated that he was born in Victoria and his parents are John Star (A farmer ) and ANN WRIGHT. Mary Wright is listed as mother on his death certificate. I'm just so lost now as nothing is adding up with this being Charles Starr from Foxton Cambridgeshire mother Ann LOKER and father John STARR. Help please any clues or suggestions. Kindest regards Dianna

Hi Patrick .. I am still looking for my .. Michael RICE .. buried in 1860 ... I am pretty sure he was buried in Balmain .. can't seem to find him. Hope you might have info about him .. thanks so much Maree Larsen ===== ''I am also always happy to hear from anyone who thinks they have (or might have) anyone buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery, the burial records for this cemetery have been lost and to date I have discovered 994 of those buried there All the best Patrick Callaghan'' Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Listers Some months ago I communicated with someone who was researching the burials into the cemetery on the grounds of the Gladesville mental hospital, I had found about six such burials during my ongoing search for burials into the long disappeared Balmain Catholic cemetery I have found another burial into the Hospital cemetery and if the person researching that place contacts me I will happily pass on what I have I am also always happy to hear from anyone who thinks they have (or might have) anyone buried in the Balmain Catholic cemetery, the burial records for this cemetery have been lost and to date I have discovered 994 of those buried there All the best Patrick Callaghan

Personally I am a fan of Full Disclosure. But everyone will have different opinions on that. I expect that people run things to make money, that is life, but I think consumers are astute and like to trust processes and so for me I think it relevant to know the motives behind why someone does something. Especially when they are selling access to public records, which rather might be a duty of the Governments that hold those records, by law, for and of people. I guess Governments can't allow exclusive licences to particular religious denomination, as they would be a fraught with issues. In regards to Spectrum I guess the question is - are the shareholders also members of the Mormon denomination and if so would that would mean the Mormons own Ancestry, and thus the Government is giving exclusive licences to a particular denomination? For example, would we, the public, approve of our Governments to give an exclusive right to sell access to our public records to say, (and this only an example) Buddhists, Islamic groups, Catholics, Protestants or Athiests. Would we be happy with any of these making profit from our countries public records. I believe I read that Ancestry are moving their headquarters to Ireland, so I am assuming the Governments there have approved a sell of public records access there. Might be good news for us consumers, but just as a thought, would it not behove those Governments to create employment for their own people, by enabling Irish organisations to access and make available those records, for a profit of course as does Spectrum. Create employment, generate cash flow for the country, and re-connect communities. Or is it as one dear friend described it: The Celtic Tiger Was Shot For Its Coat! JF -----Original Message----- From: Alan Eade Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:46 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Knocking Ancestry Hello Jenny With further information at hand, I have found that Spectrum Equity is the major shareholder in Ancestry.com, others being Sorenson Media, CMGI@Ventures and EsNet Group. I could not locate a list of the investors in Spectrum. Regards Alan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/who-owns-genealogy-companies.html Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you will find that any large company involved in family history is owned by the mormons...we did searches about 8 years ago and was amazed and how many companies they were involved with. Kaye www.teapotgenealogy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Fawcett" <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [ANS] Knocking Ancestry

Hello Jenny With further information at hand, I have found that Spectrum Equity is the major shareholder in Ancestry.com, others being Sorenson Media, CMGI@Ventures and EsNet Group. I could not locate a list of the investors in Spectrum. Regards Alan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/who-owns-genealogy-companies.html

Alan, from what I am seeing on Spectrum's webpage, they are not the "owners" of Ancestry, but shareholders, according to their webpage. They provided initial finance in 2003, and then partnered with management to purchase a majority interest in 2007 with an 11 member syndicate deal. http://www.spectrumequity.com/investment-approach/case-studies/#AncestrycomInc Case Studies Ancestry.com, Inc. Ancestry is the leading provider of online family history information with more than 1.7 million paying subscribers and more than 7 billion searchable records and a public company (NASDAQ: ACOM). Spectrum made an initial minority investment in 2003 that provided liquidity to early shareholders, and then we partnered with management in 2007 to purchase a majority interest, assembling an 11 member lender syndicate to finance the majority deal. We have supported a number of operational improvements including refining pricing and packaging, enhancing the core product, and expanding customer acquisition channels. In addition, we have recruited a CEO, CFO, SVP Product, VP Corporate Development, and four outside board directors to the company and worked with management to complete three strategic acquisitions in 2010. Finally, we have been active partners in helping the company access the capital markets, assisting management through a $100 million IPO in November 2009, a $100 million secondary offering November 2010, and another $183 million secondary offering May 2011. www.ancestry.com -----Original Message----- From: J. Fawcett Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:08 AM To: Alan Eade ; aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Knocking Ancestry Hi Alan, thanks for this information.......and can you tell me who are the shareholders in Spectrum Equity ? cheers Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Alan Eade Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:32 PM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Knocking Ancestry Hello Jenny The Mormons do not own ancestry, it is owned by a private equity company called Spectrum Equity. You may be thinking of familysearch.org which is owned by the Church of LDS. Regards Alan Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan, thanks for this information.......and can you tell me who are the shareholders in Spectrum Equity ? cheers Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Alan Eade Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:32 PM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Knocking Ancestry Hello Jenny The Mormons do not own ancestry, it is owned by a private equity company called Spectrum Equity. You may be thinking of familysearch.org which is owned by the Church of LDS. Regards Alan Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message