Hello Listers, I am looking for information on my g/grandfather William BELL. According to a memorial notice he was born in Sydney on 29th. November 1840 and educated at St. James's School. His parents are believed to be William John BELL and Mary ?. I have no other records about William and his parents so I am hoping there may be a possible reference on his school records.(Unfortunately I don't know which St. James school he attended. I will be gratefull for any help or suggestions. Janice STEVENS ne BELL.

> I have found a couple myself and am starting to believe that perhaps for one reason or another they were registered late i.e. the couple that I found were registered not long before they were married - perhaps that was why. In my researching tonight: I've come up with a query in that I feel > the transcribing of Births for NSW BDM may be incorrect? > > > Could it be that someone's made a "Typo"; entering 2005, instead of > 1905? > >

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Oakes" <lyn.oakes@btinternet.com> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:29 PM Subject: [ANS] Access to BMDs > Hello Listers, > > I have been following the thread on BDMs with interest. I had > not realised > that one could access the actual certificate. I have the > registration > references of ancestors born in Sydney, but have only purchased > that of my > grandmother. What is the URL of the site? I should appreciate > any tips on > searching too. Hi Lyn, Civil Registration of BDMs for NSW dates from 1 Mar 1856. Prior to that there are church records from 1788. These church records are on film in many libraries and you can look up for just the cost of your time. The NSW BDM Registry allows 3 transcription agents to access most of the records. You can get a transcription for usually $18 as opposed to A$31 from the Registry. There is alot of info on their web site. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/index.htm All States have different regulations , time lines ,prices. NSW is the only Registry that allows transcription agents access. If you get stuck just ask on here . Someone/ many will help. Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Thank you Dave I hope to be able to let everyone know about my finished work in November, current plans are tp produce a small book on the history of the cemetery and the parish which developed over the cemetery land and a cd listing the burials I have found with references to where the data came from all the best Patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Aitchison Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012 6:13 PM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Errors in NSW Bdms Hi Patrick, Glad to hear you have called it a day and will soon publish. I hope you will put it up on here when it is available for purchase. Dave Aitchison On 16/09/2012, at 5:50 PM, Patrick Callaghan <balcolyn@activ8.net.au> wrote: ----snip---- I think that BDM will alter records if they can be proven to be incorrect, but that is way out of my remit good hunting Patrick Callaghan PS I have now discovered 1003 burials into the Balmain Catholic cemetery and am calling it a day and will publish my work Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 16/09/2012 5:35 PM, dianna charles wrote: > Hi Everyone > On the subject of errors in certificates, has anyone had success > finding a certificate that doesn't actually appear on the NSW BDM website by > writing to them I can refer to two such cases: * The NSW BDM website has my parents' marriage listed thus: 1200/1929 CAMERON, MURDO M THORNHILL, ESTHER RANDWICK (at the Randwick Registry office) Their wedding was celebrated and registered at a Church ceremony a month later. That second event does not appear in the BDM website. By buying the cert as indexed on the website, I was able to see a later endorsement on the same page which cited the second marriage of the same bride and groom. Two valid certs for the price of one :~)) * An acquaintance of mine angrily complained to the NSW Registrar who failed to locate his birth record. After much friction and appeal, it turned out that his "parents" had NOT borne him. He was bn illegit and adopted by his grandparents!! To discover that would have involved the Registry in unpaid extra effort. HOORAH!!!! for NSW Registrar Alistair bn NSW 1929. BCC sent to YK - No Reply thanks

I love how everyone is offering to do the transcriptions for free - we should let the Registrar know! I have to say that I think the free online BDMs in NSW are just a treasure. It costs in Victoria and I think in SA - not sure if anywhere else, so that limits the amount of general searching which you can do - no such limits apply here in NSW. I don't know about anyone else, but I have spent hours on our free BDMs, and yes I have found mistakes, but boy does it have a great search facility. I have even found some family members just through searching an unusual first name in a particular date range, with no surname even entered. I LOVE our free online BDMs, think before Trove it was my favourite genealogical thing. Now maybe Trove is catching up! We need to make sure that it doesn't become a user pays search, which would become very limiting. What genealogical tools do others love? Jill

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Hi Patrick, Glad to hear you have called it a day and will soon publish. I hope you will put it up on here when it is available for purchase. Dave Aitchison On 16/09/2012, at 5:50 PM, Patrick Callaghan <balcolyn@activ8.net.au> wrote: ----snip---- I think that BDM will alter records if they can be proven to be incorrect, but that is way out of my remit good hunting Patrick Callaghan PS I have now discovered 1003 burials into the Balmain Catholic cemetery and am calling it a day and will publish my work

Greetings all I have found many mistakes on death certificates whist searching for burials into the Balmain Catholic cemetery The issue seems to be that the BDM people accept the information they are given, seemingly on the basis that the person giving the information knows and provides the accurate information, but this seems to not always be the case, especially, in the case of burials I have a number of instances where the death certificate says the burial was into, say, Rookwood, but the cemetery office has no record of that burial and I have concluded that in some cases the information was provided to the BDM by the undertaker and perhaps they did six burials that day and got a few mixed up or perhaps getting it right was not a priority for them In the case of burials I think that the record most likely to be right is the cemetery office and I have accepted them as correct I would always encourage famhis researchers who have a DC saying X cemetery to actually check that they are there, and of course if they are not there, that opens up a real can of worms where are they???? I think that BDM will alter records if they can be proven to be incorrect, but that is way out of my remit good hunting Patrick Callaghan PS I have now discovered 1003 burials into the Balmain Catholic cemetery and am calling it a day and will publish my work -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alistair Cameron Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012 2:09 PM To: Max Bancroft; aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Errors in NSW Bdms On 16/09/2012 12:03 PM, Max Bancroft wrote: > I don't think anyone is actually knocking them Marge, but we would like to help them correct their records. Given the green light we should be able to do so fairly speedily. > I find NSW BDM site quite easy to use whereas QLD BDM is unnecessarily difficult. SCOTLAND registers seem immune to alteration. The info as given by the Informant is NOT subject to editing. However, a marginal note headed RCE ******* may appear on some entries. That is a pointer to the shelf ref. and page number which reveals that some person (descendant, quite often) has a major input to the record. RCE is the "Register of Corrected Entries." Maybe NSW could assert the Quality of service by following those Scots!! Bye, Alistair Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone On the subject of errors in certificates, has anyone had success finding a certificate that doesn't actually appear on the NSW BDM website by writing to them I have been advised by the BDM to apply for a Family History Certificate as I'm looking for a missing death/burial certificate for my ancestor this was in 1827, Sydney and he did have a will, so I thought that there should be a burial certificate but there wasn't one with his probate package. This application will cost $41.00 but if they find my ancestor it will be worth it. I really only wanted to know where he was buried, I assumed in the old Devonshire St. Cemetery. Just curious if anyone else has had success doing this. Kindest regards Dianna

Robert, Go to the 'tools' bar at the top then go to message rules..click on that and the go to blocked list you can undo it there.. Cheers Wendy W.A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEMSLEY, Robert N. G." <robtricia@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:13 PM Subject: [ANS] Reversing "Block Sender"?Re: Errors in NSW Bdms > In "Block Sender" (Outlook Express): I've inadvertently "Blocked" a > Sender. > > How do I reverse to allow the Sender's Messages to come through? > > Robert > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers, I have been following the thread on BDMs with interest. I had not realised that one could access the actual certificate. I have the registration references of ancestors born in Sydney, but have only purchased that of my grandmother. What is the URL of the site? I should appreciate any tips on searching too. Thanks, Lynette Surrey, UK

On 16/09/2012 12:03 PM, Max Bancroft wrote: > I don't think anyone is actually knocking them Marge, but we would like to help them correct their records. Given the green light we should be able to do so fairly speedily. > I find NSW BDM site quite easy to use whereas QLD BDM is unnecessarily difficult. SCOTLAND registers seem immune to alteration. The info as given by the Informant is NOT subject to editing. However, a marginal note headed RCE ******* may appear on some entries. That is a pointer to the shelf ref. and page number which reveals that some person (descendant, quite often) has a major input to the record. RCE is the "Register of Corrected Entries." Maybe NSW could assert the Quality of service by following those Scots!! Bye, Alistair

hello I had an error when searching for my great grandmothers birth on the BDM site. The mother anbd child's name was mixed around. I sent them an email explaining the error.... they checked it and fixed the mistake. Has anyone pointed out the error to the BDM Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <AUS-NSW-SYDNEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:14 AM Subject: [ANS] Errors in NSW Bdms > Dear Listers > > Posting about such errors on this mailing list isnt going to > fix anything ! > > NSW Genealogists have been fortunate over the years with the > NSW Pioneers BDMS 1788-1888 published on CD back in 1992 . There > were mistakes in this BUT I am pretty sure this CD was the first > attempt to use this invention for this type of data and we > thought it was amazing advance in technology. Then wonder of > wonders BDM indexes went on line some 6 years later. An extra > year has been added to the on line indexes on the 1st of January > for a few years now . > > Compare with other States before you knock NSW too much > > > bye > > MargM > Sydney List Admin > > > > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am old enough to remember when they went online, and for a period of time?? maybe 6 months, they invited imput on corrections.After I had found about 30 I gave up, as I think you had to fill out snail mail forms. Gosh it was so long ago. The mistakes did not matter so much when the wild card option was in place. now, it defies imagination,as to what the spelling might be ..On the plus side, I recently brought a cert, which was an online error and they refunded the cost. Alas not back to my bankcard, but I had to have an Aus chque which would have incurred a fee to process, so i gave it to an Aus based family member, and they corrected the data base.cheers penne

Dear Listers Posting about such errors on this mailing list isnt going to fix anything ! NSW Genealogists have been fortunate over the years with the NSW Pioneers BDMS 1788-1888 published on CD back in 1992 . There were mistakes in this BUT I am pretty sure this CD was the first attempt to use this invention for this type of data and we thought it was amazing advance in technology. Then wonder of wonders BDM indexes went on line some 6 years later. An extra year has been added to the on line indexes on the 1st of January for a few years now . Compare with other States before you knock NSW too much bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Another example of bad transcription......William LENEHAN was transcribed at "LEUCAN WAR", only found him through his wifes maiden name....Deirdre

I have a missing relative, Peter Edward Mooney, his marriage cert in Victoria, he said he was born NSW c1863, to parents Edward Mooney a broker & Maude Unknown. His son, informant on his death in Sydney, said he was born Kiama NSW, c1864, father unknown a farmer, mother Mary Stokes, but no birth found. Looking for the name Mooney I found 'MONNEY', which I could not find again last night, wonder if that was meant to be Mooney & has been corrected. Monney sounds like Mooney with an accent, or a slip in typing. ...Deirdre > Six years ago I discovered mistakes in how my grandmother's death is > recorded in NSW BDM and notified them of the details. They have still not > been corrected.

I did volunteer transcription for the Mariners site, transcribing passenger lists, for a couple of years. That is ALL volunteer work, and what a pleasure it was. If that can be done under the watchful eye of a dedicated 'overseer' at no cost, imagine what could be done by volunteers to other sorts of records. Someone should try it!!! C'mon NSW BDM's!!! Dave A On 16/09/2012, at 8:04 AM, Maree <uniimog@internode.on.net> wrote: I'd do it for free ... or genealogical societies should have volunteers. M Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message