Hi Mary Many thanks for your reply, I guess it was just how things were, many of those who died very young survived only a few hours and twins seemed especially vulnerable. I have four children and four grandchildren, all healthy and well, I wonder what the situation might have been if I had lived in those times all the best Patrick -----Original Message----- From: aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-nsw-sydney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Cunningham Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 11:16 AM To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANS] Help Needed on infant death statistics Hi Patrick I think it was just "of those times" I have had ancestors in Balmain since the early 1800's. Still have one brother living there now. My grandmother told me a story of how the nuns once came to their house in Adolphus Street, and put ten pounds on the mantlepiece....to feed the children, of which there were seven! My grandfathers family were Roman Catholic Irish.. It was during the great depression of the 1930's, but apart from the depression years they always had work. Childhood diseases like measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc; took more children in those days, even in the wealthier suburbs of Sydney. Mary On 26 September 2012 10:09, Patrick Callaghan <balcolyn@activ8.net.au>wrote: > Greetings listers > > I am sending this email to several mailing lists as I know that that > there is a great deal of knowledge 'out there' > > > > Having reached my target of finding 1000 burials to, at least > partially, recreate the lost burial register of the long disappeared > Balmain > > Catholic cemetery I am now getting ready to publish my work (in > November) > > > > Here is where I need some wisdom from listers and I understand that > the figures I am using may not represent the perfect statistical base > > BUT > > amongst the 1000 burials I have found there are 258 children under the > age of 5, that's 25% of the known burials and that seems very high to > me > > so my question is, dear reader, what do you think??? > > The Balmain area was largely working class in the years the cemetery > was open (1868 - 1902) is this figure representative of other working > class > > areas of that time > > > > The figure of 258 is made up of 174 unfants, under the age of one and > 84 under the age of 5, so one conclusion seems to be that if you made > it > > to your first birthday your chance of a long life increased markedly ????? > > > I look forward to your thoughts > > Patrick Callaghan > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post > any reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patrick I think it was just "of those times" I have had ancestors in Balmain since the early 1800's. Still have one brother living there now. My grandmother told me a story of how the nuns once came to their house in Adolphus Street, and put ten pounds on the mantlepiece....to feed the children, of which there were seven! My grandfathers family were Roman Catholic Irish.. It was during the great depression of the 1930's, but apart from the depression years they always had work. Childhood diseases like measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc; took more children in those days, even in the wealthier suburbs of Sydney. Mary On 26 September 2012 10:09, Patrick Callaghan <balcolyn@activ8.net.au>wrote: > Greetings listers > > I am sending this email to several mailing lists as I know that that there > is a great deal of knowledge 'out there' > > > > Having reached my target of finding 1000 burials to, at least partially, > recreate the lost burial register of the long disappeared Balmain > > Catholic cemetery I am now getting ready to publish my work (in November) > > > > Here is where I need some wisdom from listers and I understand that the > figures I am using may not represent the perfect statistical base > > BUT > > amongst the 1000 burials I have found there are 258 children under the age > of 5, that's 25% of the known burials and that seems very high to me > > so my question is, dear reader, what do you think??? > > The Balmain area was largely working class in the years the cemetery was > open (1868 - 1902) is this figure representative of other working class > > areas of that time > > > > The figure of 258 is made up of 174 unfants, under the age of one and 84 > under the age of 5, so one conclusion seems to be that if you made it > > to your first birthday your chance of a long life increased markedly ????? > > > I look forward to your thoughts > > Patrick Callaghan > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Max My apologies all......when I clicked on the first email from Joan, it sent me to another site that was not genealogical in nature. Mary On 26 September 2012 10:30, Max Bancroft <maxban1938@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Hello list, rather than click the link supplied in the email so as to > avoid Trojans, I tried copying and pasting the bottom link into my google > field and arrived on a page of The Irish Times with an article which read :- > > ________________________________ > From: "Dasmi1170@aol.com" <Dasmi1170@aol.com> > To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 1:24 AM > Subject: [ANS] [Ans] The future of Irish records in Ireland > > > > Hello, > > This URL came in on a local list and I thought many would be interested in > reading it. > > In the Irish times of 09/24 there is an article about Irish Tourism and > Irish Records. > > _http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html_ > (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html) > > Joan > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings listers I am sending this email to several mailing lists as I know that that there is a great deal of knowledge 'out there' Having reached my target of finding 1000 burials to, at least partially, recreate the lost burial register of the long disappeared Balmain Catholic cemetery I am now getting ready to publish my work (in November) Here is where I need some wisdom from listers and I understand that the figures I am using may not represent the perfect statistical base BUT amongst the 1000 burials I have found there are 258 children under the age of 5, that's 25% of the known burials and that seems very high to me so my question is, dear reader, what do you think??? The Balmain area was largely working class in the years the cemetery was open (1868 - 1902) is this figure representative of other working class areas of that time The figure of 258 is made up of 174 unfants, under the age of one and 84 under the age of 5, so one conclusion seems to be that if you made it to your first birthday your chance of a long life increased markedly ????? I look forward to your thoughts Patrick Callaghan

Thanks Alistair I think it is spam, so I will block it from now on. Mary On 26 September 2012 09:29, Alistair Cameron <acameron@hinet.net.au> wrote: > On 26/09/2012 9:02 AM, Mary Cunningham wrote: > > > Is this spam? > > Dunno. But I deleted it "in case". The message came to me > addressed with my real Name, not as > > > "undisclosed recipients: ;" > > Alistair bn1929 > > 'an older and a wiser man'........ PERHAPS ;~) > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 26/09/2012 9:02 AM, Mary Cunningham wrote: > Is this spam? Dunno. But I deleted it "in case". The message came to me addressed with my real Name, not as > "undisclosed recipients: ;" Alistair bn1929 'an older and a wiser man'........ PERHAPS ;~)

Is this spam? On 26 September 2012 01:24, <Dasmi1170@aol.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > This URL came in on a local list and I thought many would be interested in > reading it. > > In the Irish times of 09/24 there is an article about Irish Tourism and > Irish Records. > > _http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html_ > (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html) > > Joan > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Patrick, please contact me off line. regards Max Bancroft maxban1938@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: Jocelyn Lloyd <jelldo@thomasl.com> To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [ANS] Help Needed on infant death statistics Dear Patrick, I agree 25% does seem high, which suggests that your sample may not be unbiased. Comprehensive records of  a statistical  nature were kept for births and deaths. Try  the NSW  Government Gazette.  A search in Trove on " vital statistics balmain" for the various years of interest to you should give you some figures to play with. Cheers, Jocelyn >Having reached my target of finding 1000 burials to, at least partially, >recreate the lost burial register of the long disappeared Balmain > >Catholic cemetery I am now getting ready to publish my work (in November) > > > >Here is where I need some wisdom from listers and I understand that the >figures I am using may not represent the perfect statistical base > >BUT > >amongst the 1000 burials I have found there are 258 children under the age >of 5, that's 25% of the known burials and that seems very high to me > >so my question is, dear reader, what do you think??? > >The Balmain area was largely working class in the years the cemetery was >open (1868 - 1902) is this figure representative of other working class > >areas of that time > > > >The figure of 258 is made up of 174 unfants, under the age of one and 84 >under the age of 5, so one conclusion seems to be that if you made it > >to your first birthday your chance of a long life increased markedly ????? > > >I look forward to your thoughts > >Patrick Callaghan > >Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >reply...... Thank you! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would any fellow Lister be Researching the McNAB family of Randwick? Robert

>>Is this spam?<< ================ Hello again, No, this is not spam. If you are interested in any Genealogy in the future of Ireland then this is for you. Joan On 26 September 2012 01:24, <Dasmi1170@aol.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > This URL came in on a local list and I thought many would be interested in > reading it. > > In the Irish times of 09/24 there is an article about Irish Tourism and > Irish Records. > > _http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html_ > (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html) > > Joan >

Hello list, rather than click the link supplied in the email so as to avoid Trojans, I tried copying and pasting the bottom link into my google field and arrived on a page of The Irish Times with an article which read :- BUSINESS OPINION: A SEEMINGLY logical move by the National Library to look for a partner to digitise its collections may well lift the lid on the mess that is the Irish “roots” business. On the face of it, the National Library is not up to anything particularly subversive. Like every other State institution, it is strapped for cash and having to think of creative ways to fulfil its mandate. But the decision to try and capitalise on the wealth of genealogical data in its archives is likely to kick over a hornets’ nest of vested interests and public service fiefdoms that have combined to prevent any co-ordinated exploitation of the State genealogical records to drive tourism and revenue. A case in point is The Gathering 2013, one of the Government’s “big ideas” to boost tourism. According to its own website, “Over 70 million people worldwide claim Irish ancestry. The Gathering Ireland 2013 provides the perfect excuse to reach out to those who have moved away, their relatives, friends and descendants, and invite them home.” You would expect such big enterprise to be supported by a slick online genealogical platform, But go to the “Tracing your roots” link at the bottom of the page and you are provided with links to no fewer than eight disparate bodies – including the National Library – that are in the roots game to some extent or the other. By moving to digitise its collections – including the all-important parish records – it is clearly moving to become primus inter pares in this muddle through bringing in a top-notch partner. etc etc. :- which makes for interesting and appears to be yet another opportunity for genealogists to assist by digitizing old information. regards Max Bancroft ________________________________ From: "Dasmi1170@aol.com" <Dasmi1170@aol.com> To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 1:24 AM Subject: [ANS] [Ans] The future of Irish records in Ireland Hello, This URL came in on a local list and I thought many would be interested in  reading it. In the Irish times of 09/24 there is an article about Irish Tourism  and Irish Records. _http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html_ (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html) Joan Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, This URL came in on a local list and I thought many would be interested in reading it. In the Irish times of 09/24 there is an article about Irish Tourism and Irish Records. _http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html_ (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0924/1224324323188.html) Joan

Hello, I subscribe to Eastman's free newsletter. It comes in almost every day. A lot of good information! These are the archives ... _http://archive.feedblitz.com/48932_ (http://archive.feedblitz.com/48932) One of the articles from 9/18 is about worldcat ... to find genealogy books is free. _http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2012/09/using-worldcat-to-fi nd-genealogy-books.html_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2012/09/using-worldcat-to-find-genealogy-books.html) We are just getting into Fall in the USA. The nights are cooler and the days try to be sunny. It's the end of the growing season. Weather wise it has been an unusual year. Good luck to all with your ancestral searches. Joan

Dear Tracey, One small question. Does the death certificate have an age and entry in the column for how many years in the colony? With that approximate years, was he therefore born in "the colony" or does it suggest born elsewhere, perhaps say near Newcastle, England? There are several other spellings of William's surname on the BDM CD's. I noticed one spelling used by a family with registrations at Maitland near Newcastle,NSW is BEASLY, however no positives for William and Mary. Searching http://www.records.nsw.gov.au shows............. There were two convicts William BEASLEY. Arrived 1830. Cert of Freedom 1837. William BEAZLEY. Ticket of Leave1816. Pardon 1834. Born London DRISCOLL Mary Pyramus 1836 41/2216 Ticket of Leave [4/4155; Reel 941] District: Maitland; Tried: Cork Of the all the Mary D convicts, the above Mary could possibly be your Mary. Someone else might be able to tell us whether a Certificate of Freedom permits a marriage, otherwise it's the explanation for non registration. Happy Hunting, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 23 Sep 2012 at 19:01, tracey_e62@exemail.com.au wrote: Date sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:01:07 +1000 From: tracey_e62@exemail.com.au To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANS] RE; Marriage information for William Beazley and Mary Driscoll Send reply to: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com > I am trying to find information in relation a William Beazley/Beasley > marrying a Mary Driscoll in Newcastle New South Wales in approximately > 1837. > I have searched the Christchurch Cathedral Registers (online) and come up > with zilch. The marriage is not listed on BDM NSW either. > > Just wondering if anyone knew of any other registers etc. The information > came from William's death certificate (which I know, depending of what > information the informant (his son) had, could be wrong). > Any help gratefully appreciated. Regards Tracey.

On 23/09/2012 7:01 PM, tracey_e62@exemail.com.au wrote: > I am trying to find information in relation a William Beazley/Beasley > marrying a Mary Driscoll in Newcastle New South Wales in approximately > 1837. AGCI has many entries for female convict/s with that name. The "Irish Gift" has one Transported from Cork IRE in April 1836. A William Beasley is also cited in AGCI, his entry reads Convict Indulgence Sydney 18 April 1837. Govt Gazette is source. NSW Convicts were required to make application for the Governor to give permission to marry > I have searched the Christchurch Cathedral Registers (online) and come up > with zilch. The marriage is not listed on BDM NSW either. > > Just wondering if anyone knew of any other registers etc. Keep trying!!! Betcha there were several chapels, different faiths, in that region in 1837. Convicts moved around!! seeking employment. Alistair The information > came from William's death certificate (which I know, depending of what > information the informant (his son) had, could be wrong). > Any help gratefully appreciated. Regards Tracey. > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5286 - Release Date: 09/22/12 > >

I am trying to find information in relation a William Beazley/Beasley marrying a Mary Driscoll in Newcastle New South Wales in approximately 1837. I have searched the Christchurch Cathedral Registers (online) and come up with zilch. The marriage is not listed on BDM NSW either. Just wondering if anyone knew of any other registers etc. The information came from William's death certificate (which I know, depending of what information the informant (his son) had, could be wrong). Any help gratefully appreciated. Regards Tracey.

Thank you MargM and Robert Kemsley (off-line) for your responses to my query re BDM certificates. I now have the confidence to go ahead and purchase certificates ro tie off that end of my Scottish/Australian ancestry. Warm regards Lyn Surrey From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> Hi Lyn, Civil Registration of BDMs for NSW dates from 1 Mar 1856. Prior to that there are church records from 1788. These church records are on film in many libraries and you can look up for just the cost of your time. The NSW BDM Registry allows 3 transcription agents to access most of the records. You can get a transcription for usually $18 as opposed to A$31 from the Registry. There is alot of info on their web site. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/index.htm All States have different regulations , time lines ,prices. NSW is the only Registry that allows transcription agents access. If you get stuck just ask on here . Someone/ many will help. Bye MargM Sydney List Admin

Hi Tracey, please contact me off line about William Beazley Regards Max Bancroft maxban1938@yahoo.com.au ________________________________ From: "tracey_e62@exemail.com.au" <tracey_e62@exemail.com.au> To: aus-nsw-sydney@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012 7:01 PM Subject: [ANS] RE; Marriage information for William Beazley and Mary Driscoll I am trying to find information in relation a William Beazley/Beasley marrying a Mary Driscoll in Newcastle New South Wales in approximately 1837. I have searched the Christchurch Cathedral Registers (online) and come up with zilch. The marriage is not listed on BDM NSW either. Just wondering if anyone knew of any other registers etc.  The information came from William's death certificate (which I know, depending of what information the informant (his son) had, could be wrong). Any help gratefully appreciated.  Regards Tracey. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-NSW-SYDNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mike , very helpful to know, thanks carole

Thanks Peter, Ill give it a try, thanks carole